Perhaps there's no "outrage" over this, because many people find it to be an inspired, mighty-fine reinterpretation of an underground Prince classic with his current band .

The crowd energy is fantastic too! Many people who were there seemed to think it was amazing.

When you say "modernizing" it for pop radio... I neither see nor hear anything resembling Maroon 5, Avril Lavigne, Miley Cyrus or other similar "chewing gum for the mind" music. Remember: Pop radio gave up on Prince around 1991 or so, and he in turn, told radio/Clear Channel/Warner Bros./etc. they can go bugger off themselves. He's been free, clear, contract-free and able to do his own thing, his own way ever since. He's not trying to make any in-roads in that world anymore.

That said, it's totally cool if you're not into this new version of the song or new band either (no need for everyone to get insult-oriented with one another). Personally, I wasn't a fan of Diamonds And Pearls era band, nor did I particularly think his shows were amazing circa 1998-2000 - but that's just my opinion and there are plenty of people who will disagree with me on this, which is fine.

I further maintain that even a "so-so" Prince show, is a thousand times better than most bands giving it their all.

For example: In 1999/2000 I took a friend to see Prince at a hit-and-run style show at the Academy Of Music in Philadelphia. It was an odd venue choice and the crowd was really bourgeois and stuffy. Having seen him numerous times before then and able to compare shows, band line-ups, set lists, etc. I did not dislike the show ... but I thought it was kinda "meh". My friend, however, who was used to seeing indie/alt synth pop bands like Depeche Mode, The Cure or many smaller then-up-and-coming bands indie bands (The Strokes before they blew up, etc.) as totally blown away by the same show.

funksterr said:

I guess it's not ok to link to it, but I'm referring to the clip on the official 3rdeyegirl youtube account of Something In The Water live in Manchester. Who is the azzhole on keys and what the hell is he playing? Really what are they all playing? That sounded like a practice band looking at charts. It's great to see Prince has personally stepped up his front man game to an acceptable level, but his guitar solo was awful. It pains me to say it but I think this was their attempt to modernize the song to todays pop radio standards, and uhm, no they didn't nail it.

funksterr said:

Believe me, Prince personaly was killing it, except the guitar solo, which was bland. But I thought he was excellent other than that. I'm excited to see what he does on Arsenio. But the bass player sounds like she don't know what to do next, and is playing in anticipation of Prince giving her a cue change. So she's on ice worried she may fukk up something. And Josh is... geez guys... how can I explain how bad this guy is? This guy is WORST than Kirky J, worst than Harmonica Dude, he is the most UNSKILLED person to EVER touch an instrument in a Prince band. And as I type that, I'm mindful of the Act I and Act II tour where Tony M actually PLAYED ACOUSTIC GUITAR.

Josh, the laptop DJ guy. OMG, how did Manchester applaud that? Shame on you Manchester. I know he was hard to see hiding in the shadows to the right of the stage, but where were your ears, gang? I'm afraid laptop JOSH, is, well for me anyway, he is beginining to symbolize the part of the 3rdeyegirl concept that's so perplexing. On it's surface, 3rdeyegirl should RAWK, but the new compositions are unsettling to say the least. Does anyone know what Josh's role is in shaping the new material? I'm starting to think a lot of this new stuff is Josh's handiwork and for Prince, he isn't vested too much in 3EG except as a way to maybe freshen up his sound and give the rock critics another nugget to chew on. I don't think he cares too much ow the new tracks are received.

Prince used to have Lisa Coleman. He used to have Dr. Fink and Jimmy Jam. Now he has Laptop Josh.

funksterr said:

Believe me, Prince personaly was killing it, except the guitar solo, which was bland. But I thought he was excellent other than that. I'm excited to see what he does on Arsenio. But the bass player sounds like she don't know what to do next, and is playing in anticipation of Prince giving her a cue change. So she's on ice worried she may fukk up something. And Josh is... geez guys... how can I explain how bad this guy is? This guy is WORST than Kirky J, worst than Harmonica Dude, he is the most UNSKILLED person to EVER touch an instrument in a Prince band. And as I type that, I'm mindful of the Act I and Act II tour where Tony M actually PLAYED ACOUSTIC GUITAR.

Josh, the laptop DJ guy. OMG, how did Manchester applaud that? Shame on you Manchester. I know he was hard to see hiding in the shadows to the right of the stage, but where were your ears, gang? I'm afraid laptop JOSH, is, well for me anyway, he is beginining to symbolize the part of the 3rdeyegirl concept that's so perplexing. On it's surface, 3rdeyegirl should RAWK, but the new compositions are unsettling to say the least. Does anyone know what Josh's role is in shaping the new material? I'm starting to think a lot of this new stuff is Josh's handiwork and for Prince, he isn't vested too much in 3EG except as a way to maybe freshen up his sound and give the rock critics another nugget to chew on. I don't think he cares too much ow the new tracks are received.

Prince used to have Lisa Coleman. He used to have Dr. Fink and Jimmy Jam. Now he has Laptop Josh.

So, you started this thread to let us know you don't like 3rd eye girl.

Apparently, you blame the band for the fact that you don't like their music.

It's not you, it's them.

You feel entitled to music from 3rd eye girl that you like.



In stead of listening to music you do like, you keep listening to 3rd eye girl.

You get angry because you don't like it. And they should make music that you like!



You assume that everybody has the same taste in music as you have.


You think that everybody interprets the behavior of the band members just like you do.

So, just like you, everybody thinks that the contact between Prince and Ida is not about responding and working together. No, it's proof that Ida is a bad bass player and does not know what to do.


And because you assume that everybody thinks exactly like you, you infer that we, the other people, are outraged about the above mentioned performance.


I hate to burst your bubble, but not everybody thinks or feels the way you do.

Personally, I'm very glad about that.


For you, that realization might be very confronting.



Or more likely, never happening.

dJJ said:

funksterr said:

Believe me, Prince personaly was killing it, except the guitar solo, which was bland. But I thought he was excellent other than that. I'm excited to see what he does on Arsenio. But the bass player sounds like she don't know what to do next, and is playing in anticipation of Prince giving her a cue change. So she's on ice worried she may fukk up something. And Josh is... geez guys... how can I explain how bad this guy is? This guy is WORST than Kirky J, worst than Harmonica Dude, he is the most UNSKILLED person to EVER touch an instrument in a Prince band. And as I type that, I'm mindful of the Act I and Act II tour where Tony M actually PLAYED ACOUSTIC GUITAR.

Josh, the laptop DJ guy. OMG, how did Manchester applaud that? Shame on you Manchester. I know he was hard to see hiding in the shadows to the right of the stage, but where were your ears, gang? I'm afraid laptop JOSH, is, well for me anyway, he is beginining to symbolize the part of the 3rdeyegirl concept that's so perplexing. On it's surface, 3rdeyegirl should RAWK, but the new compositions are unsettling to say the least. Does anyone know what Josh's role is in shaping the new material? I'm starting to think a lot of this new stuff is Josh's handiwork and for Prince, he isn't vested too much in 3EG except as a way to maybe freshen up his sound and give the rock critics another nugget to chew on. I don't think he cares too much ow the new tracks are received.

Prince used to have Lisa Coleman. He used to have Dr. Fink and Jimmy Jam. Now he has Laptop Josh.

So, you started this thread to let us know you don't like 3rd eye girl.

Apparently, you blame the band for the fact that you don't like their music.

It's not you, it's them.

You feel entitled to music from 3rd eye girl that you like.



In stead of listening to music you do like, you keep listening to 3rd eye girl.

You get angry because you don't like it. And they should make music that you like!



You assume that everybody has the same taste in music as you have.


You think that everybody interprets the behavior of the band members just like you do.

So, just like you, everybody thinks that the contact between Prince and Ida is not about responding and working together. No, it's proof that Ida is a bad bass player and does not know what to do.


And because you assume that everybody thinks exactly like you, you infer that we, the other people, are outraged about the above mentioned performance.


I hate to burst your bubble, but not everybody thinks or feels the way you do.

Personally, I'm very glad about that.


For you, that realization might be very confronting.



Or more likely, never happening.

Eloquently and succintly put.

tashbootlegs said:

For what it's worth, I was there that Sat night and something in the water was fucking awesome, end of. as for Josh my only dislike of him comes from the fact he's pumping hannah lol jamming bastard!

My bet is, that Hannah is very glad it's her husband who is pumping her, and not you.


And I think she made a very good choice by marrying him. He is handsome, got great moves (he danced on stage in Paradiso), he's cheerful and they seem to laugh a lot together.

He supports her career without hesitation and makes sure he is there for her!
He does not neglect her or will only now and then see her on tour. No, he travels with her and provides her with the circumstances that allow her to be a great drummer.

He is visibly proud of his wife and he does not feel the need to upstage her. Nor does he blame her for being great and attracting the attention of other men. He know she is a talented drummer and that she worked hard for where she is in her career right now. And he celebrates that.


That is why he can enjoy all the love and deserved respect she feels for him.




Love and respect that she probably doesn't have for guys who think it's a compliment by stating that they are jalous of her husband because he gets to pump her.


Just a hunch.




Not many women are blessed with a man who is as suportive and generous as Joshua. I'm happy for Hannah that she found love with him.

Mindflux said:

dJJ said:

So, you started this thread to let us know you don't like 3rd eye girl.

Apparently, you blame the band for the fact that you don't like their music.

It's not you, it's them.

You feel entitled to music from 3rd eye girl that you like.



In stead of listening to music you do like, you keep listening to 3rd eye girl.

You get angry because you don't like it. And they should make music that you like!



You assume that everybody has the same taste in music as you have.


You think that everybody interprets the behavior of the band members just like you do.

So, just like you, everybody thinks that the contact between Prince and Ida is not about responding and working together. No, it's proof that Ida is a bad bass player and does not know what to do.


And because you assume that everybody thinks exactly like you, you infer that we, the other people, are outraged about the above mentioned performance.


I hate to burst your bubble, but not everybody thinks or feels the way you do.

Personally, I'm very glad about that.


For you, that realization might be very confronting.



Or more likely, never happening.

Eloquently and succintly put.

Thank you very much.


I had to look up succintly

Kudra23 said:

I didnt pay much attention to Josh in Manchester but i think'Something in the Water' and 'Shes always in my hair' were the total highlights of the gig.

The crowd were totally on it and the whole feel was great.

'Something...' is still running round my head now nearly two week slater.

But what about When We're Dancing Close and Slow??? For me that was THE song of the night. In fact it was THE song of the five times I've ever seen him. Couldn't even remember having heard it before as it was so long ago I played his early stuff.

It's good that we all like different things. Even if some people don't have ears (not you Kudra).

The guy's hannahs husband, seems like a nice guy, Prince obviously likes him around otherwise I doubt he would be anywhere near the stage, just a young guy having a good time, What its all about

dJJ said:

Mindflux said:

Eloquently and succintly put.

Thank you very much.


I had to look up succintly

You're welcome.

It might have helped not to have to the typo/missing key-stroke.

"SuccinCtly"

OperatingThetan said:

....my only 'outrage' is that the first half of the performance hasn't been released as well! It was awesome on the night, and it's still awesome watching it back on You Tube.

Not quite sure how Prince can be bland and energised at the same time - but he's a talented guy, so if anybody can...!

As for whether the band could be technically better, I'll leave that for the musos to discuss...just remember sometimes the flaws create the magic.

Mindflux said:

dJJ said:

Thank you very much.


I had to look up succintly

You're welcome.

It might have helped not to have to the typo/missing key-stroke.

"SuccinCtly"

Right, if you teach me new words, I should learn to spell them right


I tried to pronounce the word, but don't know how to. Sounds weird when I say it out loud.

[Edited 3/7/14 3:08am]

dJJ said:

tashbootlegs said:

For what it's worth, I was there that Sat night and something in the water was fucking awesome, end of. as for Josh my only dislike of him comes from the fact he's pumping hannah lol jamming bastard!

My bet is, that Hannah is very glad it's her husband who is pumping her, and not you.


And I think she made a very good choice by marrying him. He is handsome, got great moves (he danced on stage in Paradiso), he's cheerful and they seem to laugh a lot together.

He supports her career without hesitation and makes sure he is there for her!
He does not neglect her or will only now and then see her on tour. No, he travels with her and provides her with the circumstances that allow her to be a great drummer.

He is visibly proud of his wife and he does not feel the need to upstage her. Nor does he blame her for being great and attracting the attention of other men. He know she is a talented drummer and that she worked hard for where she is in her career right now. And he celebrates that.


That is why he can enjoy all the love and deserved respect she feels for him.




Love and respect that she probably doesn't have for guys who think it's a compliment by stating that they are jalous of her husband because he gets to pump her.


Just a hunch.




Not many women are blessed with a man who is as suportive and generous as Joshua. I'm happy for Hannah that she found love with him.

Hi Josh

dJJ said:

funksterr said:

Believe me, Prince personaly was killing it, except the guitar solo, which was bland. But I thought he was excellent other than that. I'm excited to see what he does on Arsenio. But the bass player sounds like she don't know what to do next, and is playing in anticipation of Prince giving her a cue change. So she's on ice worried she may fukk up something. And Josh is... geez guys... how can I explain how bad this guy is? This guy is WORST than Kirky J, worst than Harmonica Dude, he is the most UNSKILLED person to EVER touch an instrument in a Prince band. And as I type that, I'm mindful of the Act I and Act II tour where Tony M actually PLAYED ACOUSTIC GUITAR.

Josh, the laptop DJ guy. OMG, how did Manchester applaud that? Shame on you Manchester. I know he was hard to see hiding in the shadows to the right of the stage, but where were your ears, gang? I'm afraid laptop JOSH, is, well for me anyway, he is beginining to symbolize the part of the 3rdeyegirl concept that's so perplexing. On it's surface, 3rdeyegirl should RAWK, but the new compositions are unsettling to say the least. Does anyone know what Josh's role is in shaping the new material? I'm starting to think a lot of this new stuff is Josh's handiwork and for Prince, he isn't vested too much in 3EG except as a way to maybe freshen up his sound and give the rock critics another nugget to chew on. I don't think he cares too much ow the new tracks are received.

Prince used to have Lisa Coleman. He used to have Dr. Fink and Jimmy Jam. Now he has Laptop Josh.

So, you started this thread to let us know you don't like 3rd eye girl.

Apparently, you blame the band for the fact that you don't like their music.

It's not you, it's them.

You feel entitled to music from 3rd eye girl that you like.



In stead of listening to music you do like, you keep listening to 3rd eye girl.

You get angry because you don't like it. And they should make music that you like!



You assume that everybody has the same taste in music as you have.


You think that everybody interprets the behavior of the band members just like you do.

So, just like you, everybody thinks that the contact between Prince and Ida is not about responding and working together. No, it's proof that Ida is a bad bass player and does not know what to do.


And because you assume that everybody thinks exactly like you, you infer that we, the other people, are outraged about the above mentioned performance.


I hate to burst your bubble, but not everybody thinks or feels the way you do.

Personally, I'm very glad about that.


For you, that realization might be very confronting.



Or more likely, never happening.

I never said that I don't like 3EG. I gave my honest opinion of their performance. I'm not really in a like or dislike stage with them. I assume they are building toward something and I support them in that. When they impress me, I'll post something saying they are impressive. However, some of the 3EG project is clearly not ready for primetime. The hodge-podge tweaking of the classics isn't working on a musical level. I'm talking pitch and harmony. Keyboard patches, guitar styles. Prince knows the audience will cheer of regardless of details. They are there for the experience of being there and will clap and cheer on cue regardless of what happens. He knows that. Manchester obliged. The Aresnio audience obliged. However... for those of us really listening... 3EG isn't really satisfying because they don't play Prince's material to it's full possibily. They do a lot of things that don't make musical sense like ignoring the key of a song when they solo. The tonal center of a piece matters. Watch Prince's guitar solo during SAIMH on Arsenio. 2-4 seconds of that was to die for, but the rest of it random posing and all about effects. I like it best when he completes his musical thoughts, so to speak. Something about the notes is their Mutiny/Ice Cream Castle mashup is clashing. Was it the onslaught of horns or the ICC sample or what? And guys... the costumes said it all. 3EG dressed like Leather Vikings, the horn section in Jazz Club suit and tie. Sigh.. The same clash happening with the period costuming was happening musically. Visually exciting? I guess, but musically satisfying? No. Musical Schizophrenia. I don't know what to do with what I hear. I don't hate this band yet. But to be honest, I haven't identified anything to love about them yet...

funksterr said:

dJJ said:

I never said that I don't like 3EG. I gave my honest opinion of their performance. I'm not really in a like or dislike stage with them. I assume they are building toward something and I support them in that. When they impress me, I'll post something saying they are impressive. However, some of the 3EG project is clearly not ready for primetime. The hodge-podge tweaking of the classics isn't working on a musical level. I'm talking pitch and harmony. Keyboard patches, guitar styles. Prince knows the audience will cheer of regardless of details. They are there for the experience of being there and will clap and cheer on cue regardless of what happens. He knows that. Manchester obliged. The Aresnio audience obliged. However... for those of us really listening... 3EG isn't really satisfying because they don't play Prince's material to it's full possibily. They do a lot of things that don't make musical sense like ignoring the key of a song when they solo. The tonal center of a piece matters. Watch Prince's guitar solo during SAIMH on Arsenio. 2-4 seconds of that was to die for, but the rest of it random posing and all about effects. I like it best when he completes his musical thoughts, so to speak. Something about the notes is their Mutiny/Ice Cream Castle mashup is clashing. Was it the onslaught of horns or the ICC sample or what? And guys... the costumes said it all. 3EG dressed like Leather Vikings, the horn section in Jazz Club suit and tie. Sigh.. The same clash happening with the period costuming was happening musically. Visually exciting? I guess, but musically satisfying? No. Musical Schizophrenia. I don't know what to do with what I hear. I don't hate this band yet. But to be honest, I haven't identified anything to love about them yet...

I don't hear any of them playing in the wrong key. But I agree Prince first solo was rather better than his second solo which to heavy on flashy runs and effects.

funksterr said: Musical Schizophrenia.

Prince has always been a mashup of genres. Prince's problem is that most of his audience isn't as musically diverse as he is and will only ever appreciate portions of his aesthetics. I include myself in this as I dislike 80% of his "rap" endeavours (Face Down and Pussy Control excldued) and will probably never come to appreciate what he sees in most of it.

What you describe as musical schizophrenia with this viking/jazz club class I hear as an exciting harmonization of difference. And to me it worked almost perfectly. The main weak spot for me is that Donna's still learning from Prince how to do rhythm guitar for a lot of his songs and she's not quite good at it yet, but she's 100x better than when she started with him.

freakyfeet said:

dJJ said:

My bet is, that Hannah is very glad it's her husband who is pumping her, and not you.


And I think she made a very good choice by marrying him. He is handsome, got great moves (he danced on stage in Paradiso), he's cheerful and they seem to laugh a lot together.

He supports her career without hesitation and makes sure he is there for her!
He does not neglect her or will only now and then see her on tour. No, he travels with her and provides her with the circumstances that allow her to be a great drummer.

He is visibly proud of his wife and he does not feel the need to upstage her. Nor does he blame her for being great and attracting the attention of other men. He know she is a talented drummer and that she worked hard for where she is in her career right now. And he celebrates that.


That is why he can enjoy all the love and deserved respect she feels for him.




Love and respect that she probably doesn't have for guys who think it's a compliment by stating that they are jalous of her husband because he gets to pump her.


Just a hunch.




Not many women are blessed with a man who is as suportive and generous as Joshua. I'm happy for Hannah that she found love with him.

Hi Josh

I'm a girl from Europe. I'm not Joshua if that is what you are implying.

that shepards footage is better anyhow...

lwr001 said:

funksterr said:

Believe me, Prince personaly was killing it, except the guitar solo, which was bland. But I thought he was excellent other than that. I'm excited to see what he does on Arsenio. But the bass player sounds like she don't know what to do next, and is playing in anticipation of Prince giving her a cue change. So she's on ice worried she may fukk up something. And Josh is... geez guys... how can I explain how bad this guy is? This guy is WORST than Kirky J, worst than Harmonica Dude, he is the most UNSKILLED person to EVER touch an instrument in a Prince band. And as I type that, I'm mindful of the Act I and Act II tour where Tony M actually PLAYED ACOUSTIC GUITAR.

Josh, the laptop DJ guy. OMG, how did Manchester applaud that? Shame on you Manchester. I know he was hard to see hiding in the shadows to the right of the stage, but where were your ears, gang? I'm afraid laptop JOSH, is, well for me anyway, he is beginining to symbolize the part of the 3rdeyegirl concept that's so perplexing. On it's surface, 3rdeyegirl should RAWK, but the new compositions are unsettling to say the least. Does anyone know what Josh's role is in shaping the new material? I'm starting to think a lot of this new stuff is Josh's handiwork and for Prince, he isn't vested too much in 3EG except as a way to maybe freshen up his sound and give the rock critics another nugget to chew on. I don't think he cares too much ow the new tracks are received.

Prince used to have Lisa Coleman. He used to have Dr. Fink and Jimmy Jam. Now he has Laptop Josh.

Have you ever heard Josh play piano? If yo did, you'd tke that back

Well, to be fair, (playing Devil's Advocate here) his timing was pretty sloppy on the Aresneio performance of She's Always In My Hair. Even I was...

What really bugged me is Arsenio's posse played Prince better than Prince.

Because live this version is STELLAR!! Everytime he played it in London, it blew my mind...love the song choice, love the version, love the delivery...so glad he revisited this classic

funksterr said:

2freaky4church1 said:

when did this song become a classic? just cuz its old doesnt make it classic...smh

unkleg said:

Because live this version is STELLAR!! Everytime he played it in London, it blew my mind...love the song choice, love the version, love the delivery...so glad he revisited this classic