no .. the real issue is that prince did not grow as an artist .. his music became more shallow not deeper .. it is easy to say fans were seduced by his sexuality but that is just not the case .. fans were seduced by the deep and honest expressions in his music .. there is nothing deep or honest about his music now .. the sexuality is still there if not beaten to death .. the frustration comes from prince insisting he is more mature now when in fact his music is empty and shallow and largely superficial now .. its not the sexuality people crave .. its the intimacy

TrevorAyer said:

no .. the real issue is that prince did not grow as an artist .. his music became more shallow not deeper .. it is easy to say fans were seduced by his sexuality but that is just not the case .. fans were seduced by the deep and honest expressions in his music .. there is nothing deep or honest about his music now .. the sexuality is still there if not beaten to death .. the frustration comes from prince insisting he is more mature now when in fact his music is empty and shallow and largely superficial now .. its not the sexuality people crave .. its the intimacy

You sound angry, but when was the last time you've been to a live show? I can't speak for other fans, as you can't either, as all we can do is give our opinion. He still sings songs today, from his past with deep, lyrical content, that captures his audience in an intimate manner. I'm not sure all of what you are constantly searching for in his music today, as it seems some of the songs he sings today, are never good enough for you. Whether it is a song from the past he sings today, he is still able to capture the intimacy with many in his audience. Especially when he does an acoustic piano set, like during the Musicology tour, even if they were short, and it was just him on stage, the intimacy was felt by the audience, as they sang some of the familiar songs along with him. Same thing during the W2A tour. Songs like 'Sometimes it Snows in April', for one example or when he performs 'Purple Rain', no matter which band members he has, you're still able to get the intimate feel with him performing those songs, and many fans have stated both of those songs, brings a tear to their eye, everytime he performs it.

There was a new one called 'The Gingerbread Man' performed during the W2A tour, an intimate, yet sexy song, where he basically seduced the entire Madison Square Gardens audience, in the way that he sang/performed that song. Every word was heard, and fans were talking about it the next day. Both the intimacy and sexuality, in the way he expressed the lyrics during that performance, with just the spotlight shining on him. It may not have been done in a hard-core, sexual way, like he used to perform, but he was able to express the song to the point it captured his audience, and had fans talking about it the very next day.

Lately I have been reading from some fans, that therre is a song called 'The Breakdown', that I have never heard, but apparently many fans were able to witness him perform it, and keep talking about it, so he was apparently able to reach them in some intimate way that it resulted in them requesting that he releases that song or sing it during one of his tours again. So apparently some of his new music is appreciated by many fans today, although not saying everyone embraces it, since everyone has their own Prince music tastes.

I can't speak for yours or anyone else's tastes in Prince's music, and neither can you, for me or other fans. We all have our own tastes in Prince's music, and yes according to many of the comments on this thread, some fans do crave and miss the hard-core, sexual manner in how Prince performed his songs on stage, in the past, whether they were songs with deeper, lyrical content or not.

Life moves on, people change, musicians/artists change, and everyone is not always going to give you what you desire. So if you feel his music is shallow, there's plenty of room for you to seek out musicians/artists music you can enjoy. It's really very simple, and may help lead you to less complaining about a musician's/artist's music, you claim you don't like today, but yet you continuously make the personal choice of complaining about it everyday.

[Edited 2/1/14 11:59am]

There is nothing angry about my comment. I simply explained the frustration that you alluded to in your comment that fans were 'disappointed' that Prince was not being sexual. I disagreed with you. That does not make my post angry, it means I disagree. I enjoy discussing and critiquing Prince. He is a great artist and sometimes has a stroke of genuine inspiration. And yes The Breakdown is a great song. In the live form that I heard. There are moments in the song that you can actually hear a little of the real Prince that has been hidden for so long beneath the shallow posturing. I understand that you consider Prince in concert to be an intimate experience. I just don't agree that an artist is connecting if he has to yell at the crowd to clap, sing or get on up over most of the party songs, and I don't agree that the all too brief snippets he performs during his piano medleys truly connect either. Perhaps if Prince had played the full Moonbeam Levels and really dug into the song some kind of connection would occur. But with only the verse and then on to the next song, as he does with the full band as well, it cuts short the connection. Stifles the bond he creates with the audience each time he switches it up. And then when he does play a song long it is usually the most meaningless of his songs and furthermore quite boring. I do feel beginnning with W2A that he did have some great vocal experiences, especially with scandelous. He is capable, but the moments are far too few for a artist of his caliber. Where is the connection when his band sings 6 or 8 songs. He is not connecting. He is disconnecting. Just my opinion.

He might be ashamed of some of his music videos as they're so cheaply done and the sexual imagery is just silly by today's standards. That might be one of the reasons why he doesn't have them on Youtube.

TrevorAyer said:

There is nothing angry about my comment. I simply explained the frustration that you alluded to in your comment that fans were 'disappointed' that Prince was not being sexual. I disagreed with you. That does not make my post angry, it means I disagree. I enjoy discussing and critiquing Prince. He is a great artist and sometimes has a stroke of genuine inspiration. And yes The Breakdown is a great song. In the live form that I heard. There are moments in the song that you can actually hear a little of the real Prince that has been hidden for so long beneath the shallow posturing. I understand that you consider Prince in concert to be an intimate experience. I just don't agree that an artist is connecting if he has to yell at the crowd to clap, sing or get on up over most of the party songs, and I don't agree that the all too brief snippets he performs during his piano medleys truly connect either. Perhaps if Prince had played the full Moonbeam Levels and really dug into the song some kind of connection would occur. But with only the verse and then on to the next song, as he does with the full band as well, it cuts short the connection. Stifles the bond he creates with the audience each time he switches it up. And then when he does play a song long it is usually the most meaningless of his songs and furthermore quite boring. I do feel beginnning with W2A that he did have some great vocal experiences, especially with scandelous. He is capable, but the moments are far too few for a artist of his caliber. Where is the connection when his band sings 6 or 8 songs. He is not connecting. He is disconnecting. Just my opinion.

Your comments and opinions are respected even if we don't agree. The comments from some fans expressing how they wish for and miss the days Prince performed in a hard, core sexual, or at times raunchy manner, including using the swearing in his lyrics, which they enjoyed, is expressed by some fans on this thread. It's their opinions that some 'freely' expressed, and apparently open for agreement or disagreement, including yours. You disagreed that it wasn't about the missing of his sexual prowness during his performances, but the 'intimacy' you claim is missing with fans in his current music, and you feel that in his present state of music, that he is disconnecting from fans.

I think that really would depend on the individual fan whether they are listening to it on a cd or present, at a live show or even which generation of fans we are talking about. I would say the fans who have been there from the beginning through the 80s/90s, (older fans) who were around to see him perform songs back in the day, that he isn't singing today nor performing in a more, hard-core sexual performance style, are probably the ones who hold memories of those days, and would like to see that happen again in his current state of his music career. I don't think the younger generation of fans who have never witnessed his performances of the past live or hearrd him sing the released (sexually-explicit songs), are the ones that feel disconnected, when they see the Prince of 'now' perform live. They're just seeing a different Prince than many older fans were exposed to, mainly because he did change as an artist, as he grew older, but he has been collaborating with younger artists, and learning from them obviously as well, through that collaboration either on stage with them or co-writing songs with them. I think the disconnect would be from fans who are missing the Prince of yesterday, and not fully accepting the Prince of 'today'. If the audience is singing along with an artist at any of their shows, then obviously there is a connection, whether it's an upbeat song or a slow jam.

If they are responding then they are 'connecting'. It is not unusual for any artist to speak to their audience, tell them to wave their hands, sing along, etc. The material he has been releasing from the 2000s to present day, may not float every fan's boat, but there are songs that have been favorites of many fans, and if it's not being played on the radio, well, look at the state of radio and the music industry today. The music industry is not the same as it was back then, so many established and new artists, are pretty much on their own, finding different ways to get the music out to their fans., but like I said in my previous post, if an artist no longer is stirring your liking, then there's plenty of room to make the personal choice of checking out other artists' music, instead of spending so much time, waiting for a particular artist to fulfill that music orgasm you're waiting around for. Oh and I respect your opinion, even if we both don't agree on everything stated on the topic, as I'm okay with that.

[Edited 2/1/14 13:04pm]

Tempest said:

I think it best that Prince take his past to the Lord & ask Him about it. It isn't enough for any of us to just blow off our past and say "I have no reason to be ashamed." There's no freedom in that. Shoving crap under a rug and pretending all is well doesn't fly with God. Let's seek God's opinion and not settle for our own delusions.

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The best thing one can do is soul search with God, see what needs to be acknowleged as sin, sincerely repent of (past & present sin) and get cleansed of the filth. It's only when we accept responsibility & sincerely repent that God can cleanse us.

*

I think Prince should ask himself, if I were in God's throne room, would I sing most of my back catalogue? Or not? If the answer to that is NO, then repentance is needed.

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Also, does it matter how we influence others with our words, music, lives, etc.? Absolutely. Taking responsibility for the bad seeds we've sown in other's lives is important.

*

Like I said previously, Prince is the only one who can do the soul searching & reflect. Hopefully, he'll do that before God rather than shove everything under a rug. God sees under the rug. The higher the mound under the rug, the more bound we are.

Belongs on the Politics and Religion page.

so what people want his HIS "the wall" lp ..?

You know what... Nevermind...

[Edited 2/3/14 5:51am]

novabrkr said:

He might be ashamed of some of his music videos as they're so cheaply done and the sexual imagery is just silly by today's standards. That might be one of the reasons why he doesn't have them on Youtube.

I don't think it's all about sexuality.

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Why can't people view 1999, Little Red Corvette, When Doves Cry, Rasperry Beret, America, Mountains, Kiss, Girls & Boys, U Got the Look, I Wish U Heaven, Alphabet St, Glam Slam

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people who are fans of any degree, or people who are becoming fans or interested in Prince, can view these vids who are very good videos, and not heavy in sexual imagery

nursev said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yep. His speach strongly came across as if he was embarrassed about that part of his life and shying younger artists away from imitating that.

Yes it did and it was kinda sad to see him do that.

It was at this moment, no way Prince would even be on that show at that moment with a few tribute performances 2 him if it wasn't for 1979-1989 Prince

nursev said:

Lets have a serious and civil discussion about it. I mean we know religion has alot to do with him trying to erase his work, but do you think hes ashamed of the cursing, sexual imagery, etc. He really shouldnt be-he was the best at it and he was loaded with talent on top of that. So lets discuss it org and please try not to get quoted

i think he is proud of the creativity and work he put into those "younger prince" songs. i do think he has matured and feels the way he used to present himself and the language he used wasnt necessarily appropriate or necessary. i wouldnt necessarily use the word ashamed, but i bet he doesnt want a young kid accidently listening to most of his "younger prince" music.

pdiddy2011 said:

nursev said:

Lets have a serious and civil discussion about it. I mean we know religion has alot to do with him trying to erase his work, but do you think hes ashamed of the cursing, sexual imagery, etc. He really shouldnt be-he was the best at it and he was loaded with talent on top of that. So lets discuss it org and please try not to get quoted

i think he is proud of the creativity and work he put into those "younger prince" songs. i do think he has matured and feels the way he used to present himself and the language he used wasnt necessarily appropriate or necessary. i wouldnt necessarily use the word ashamed, but i bet he doesnt want a young kid accidently listening to most of his "younger prince" music.

It's interesting how people may change their beliefs or stances 'regrets' maybe is the word

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But there is no way he would be where he is even in a more diminished way, if it wasn't for then.

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Album wise 1980s Prince wasn't vulgar. It's weird how the most creative time for him most successful period he may be 'ashamed' of but that period didn't have a lot of the vulgar and overtly sexual episodes. Too me it was the 1990s. It all made sense in the 1980s after that it just was loud. New Positions quietly spelling out p u s s y vs Pussy Controls AHHHHHH PUSSY CONTROL OOOOHHH

I think he grew up and realized that he didn't need to use certain words and images to relate to his audience. IT'S ALL ABOUT REAL MUSICIANS - at least it should be!

am

UmustB said:

I think he grew up and realized that he didn't need to use certain words and images to relate to his audience. IT'S ALL ABOUT REAL MUSICIANS - at least it should be!

am

Befoe He Created the Music He Lived Every Bit of It...

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Watch Purple Rain again, with that ideal and C how it just doesn't work.

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Outward expression always goes along with being an artist/musician/entertainer

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That was Prince that we saw, not an act. No way Prince would be where he is just playing music

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Twilight Zone episode: Prince regrets certain things(the good things) he did and said as an artist, and then he gets wisked into the past... what would Prince C?

It's all about self-respect...to take pride in who you are, the way you dress and groom, and the way you walk & talk-Morris Day.

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I'm still frightened of Prince allured by the promise, alarmed by the chintzy crud of his live routine, partially assuaged by this new "Controversy". -NEW MUSICAL EXPRESS November 14, 1981

Directed By

• Albert Magnoli

They're exaggerations or minimizations developed to fit a story that never happened, yet, in a strange way, a story that is their reality.

To me, Prince & the Times entire thing is visual. The microcosm they've developed 4 themselves was a movie begging to be made."

There's music... that means there's night, there's bars, there are alley's. All of a sudden, a story begins to emerge.

Albert Magnoli

AOL LIVE / JULY 22, 1997

Question: do you worry about negative influence on young people?
TheArtst: yes....
TheArtst: i do not regret anything i have done
TheArtst: but
TheArtst: the industry seems 2 only promote the absurd
TheArtst: nowadays

This made me think of the Tavis Smiley interview when he was asked about whether or not he cares about what people think of him.

8:53

´I´m sorta like a....because of some of the stances that I take people are gonna have different viewpoints on me depending upon which side of the fence they´re sitting on. A merchant would have trouble being called a bean counter, when in fact they know that´s true...they´d be hard-pressed though...trying to sing a song with me. So I don´t really care so much what people say about me because it usually is a reflection of who they are. For example if people wish I would sound like I used to sound, then that says more about them than it says about me. If I change the lyrics to a song then...it begs the question ´Why do you want me to curse?´´Why do you want me to talk like other people?´ See cursing was cool when nobody was doing it, when it was just a couple people. Like if everybody wears the same clothes, then it ain´t cool no more. You know you´re trying to be different. One can´t be different by being racy today, it´s not interesting anymore. See, sexyness was in the mind..in your imagination, when you lose that then..like I said it´s just old skin. ´

Personally, I´ve been writing stories for fun ever since I was a kid and when I look back and read some of the stuff I wrote just 5 years ago I can´t help but cringe a bit, because right now I´m in a completely different state of mind than I was 5 years ago. I still love my work though and I´m definitely not ashamed of it, but the chapter in my life that was reflected in that work ended and rather than constantly revisiting that chapter I would much rather want to focus on the current chapter of my life.

I am in noooo waaay comparing my amateur ass to Prince, but what I´m trying to say is that I can imagine him feeling the same about his old stuff. So to answer your question; No, I don´t think he is ashamed as much as I think he has just moved on from it.

I'm one that never cared for 'cursing' but I also look at those words and how we use them or think of them as the real issue. How the words are used when they are used why makes the difference.

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But I never gave here or there about cursing as far as Prince is concerned. Overall I don't think he did it in most of his 80s songs. And when he did it fit well. I still don't care for the change of word that rhymes with a 'curse' word.

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If anything it was the words he used live that would be done alot. So I could care less about live usage. And I still think he used those words way more in the 1990s.

As far as Prince cursing on songs that were on the radio, I don't know of many

the only one was Erotic City (fuck)

so in the 1980s when I hear people connecting the Rude Boy image as far as his albums/songs to vulgar language it wasn't common.

I mean if you actually go thru the song especially the ones that got a lot of radio play or were singles

curse words were absent

And I never connected curse words with Prince's charisma or the thing that drew me to him

It was the charisma, the image Prince the band, the scene, I always felt there was this my;sterious world, a utopia he created, it was about sex, it was about life in general, it was controvery, it was a private party

OldFriends4Sale said:

SAD BUT MAYBE TRUE - AND THAT GOES FOR PAGES OF ARTISTS TODAY! SAD!

OldFriends4Sale said:

UmustB said:

I think he grew up and realized that he didn't need to use certain words and images to relate to his audience. IT'S ALL ABOUT REAL MUSICIANS - at least it should be!

am

Befoe He Created the Music He Lived Every Bit of It...

.

Watch Purple Rain again, with that ideal and C how it just doesn't work.

.

Outward expression always goes along with being an artist/musician/entertainer

.

That was Prince that we saw, not an act. No way Prince would be where he is just playing music

.

Twilight Zone episode: Prince regrets certain things(the good things) he did and said as an artist, and then he gets wisked into the past... what would Prince C?

It's all about self-respect...to take pride in who you are, the way you dress and groom, and the way you walk & talk-Morris Day.

.

I'm still frightened of Prince allured by the promise, alarmed by the chintzy crud of his live routine, partially assuaged by this new "Controversy". -NEW MUSICAL EXPRESS November 14, 1981

Directed By

• Albert Magnoli

They're exaggerations or minimizations developed to fit a story that never happened, yet, in a strange way, a story that is their reality.

To me, Prince & the Times entire thing is visual. The microcosm they've developed 4 themselves was a movie begging to be made."

There's music... that means there's night, there's bars, there are alley's. All of a sudden, a story begins to emerge.

Albert Magnoli

SAD BUT MAYBE TRUE - AND THAT GOES FOR PAGES OF ARTISTS TODAY! SAD!

OldFriends4Sale said:

UmustB said:

I think he grew up and realized that he didn't need to use certain words and images to relate to his audience. IT'S ALL ABOUT REAL MUSICIANS - at least it should be!

am

Befoe He Created the Music He Lived Every Bit of It...

.

Watch Purple Rain again, with that ideal and C how it just doesn't work.

.

Outward expression always goes along with being an artist/musician/entertainer

.

That was Prince that we saw, not an act. No way Prince would be where he is just playing music

.

Twilight Zone episode: Prince regrets certain things(the good things) he did and said as an artist, and then he gets wisked into the past... what would Prince C?

It's all about self-respect...to take pride in who you are, the way you dress and groom, and the way you walk & talk-Morris Day.

.

I'm still frightened of Prince allured by the promise, alarmed by the chintzy crud of his live routine, partially assuaged by this new "Controversy". -NEW MUSICAL EXPRESS November 14, 1981

Directed By

• Albert Magnoli

They're exaggerations or minimizations developed to fit a story that never happened, yet, in a strange way, a story that is their reality.

To me, Prince & the Times entire thing is visual. The microcosm they've developed 4 themselves was a movie begging to be made."

There's music... that means there's night, there's bars, there are alley's. All of a sudden, a story begins to emerge.

Albert Magnoli

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

As far as Prince cursing on songs that were on the radio, I don't know of many

the only one was Erotic City (fuck)

so in the 1980s when I hear people connecting the Rude Boy image as far as his albums/songs to vulgar language it wasn't common.

I mean if you actually go thru the song especially the ones that got a lot of radio play or were singles

curse words were absent

And I never connected curse words with Prince's charisma or the thing that drew me to him

It was the charisma, the image Prince the band, the scene, I always felt there was this my;sterious world, a utopia he created, it was about sex, it was about life in general, it was controvery, it was a private party

You probably didn't hear Prince's songs with swearing played on the radio, because most radio stations wouldn't or won't play songs with curse words in it on their stations. [Edited 2/4/14 19:12pm]

What I mean is, if you look at the songs/lyrics (just talking about the 80s) the 1990s a lot of cursing was allowed so Prince's 1990s output would have no problem

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But a lot of 1980s material actually had not much

Prince was all over the radio, some people would 'scratch' a curse word (I remeber a radio station doing that with Erotic City) but they sure didn't let it stop them from playing it.

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Purple Rain has that rating sticker on it only because of Tipper Gore and the word masturbation in Darling Nikki. Masturbation is not a dirty word of course. But if you look at the lyrics of Purple Rain the album, you won't find any curse words or 'explict' lyrics

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And Parade the same as far as I remember.

funkyrake said:

Tempest said:

I think it best that Prince take his past to the Lord & ask Him about it. It isn't enough for any of us to just blow off our past and say "I have no reason to be ashamed." There's no freedom in that. Shoving crap under a rug and pretending all is well doesn't fly with God. Let's seek God's opinion and not settle for our own delusions.

*

The best thing one can do is soul search with God, see what needs to be acknowleged as sin, sincerely repent of (past & present sin) and get cleansed of the filth. It's only when we accept responsibility & sincerely repent that God can cleanse us.

*

I think Prince should ask himself, if I were in God's throne room, would I sing most of my back catalogue? Or not? If the answer to that is NO, then repentance is needed.

*

Also, does it matter how we influence others with our words, music, lives, etc.? Absolutely. Taking responsibility for the bad seeds we've sown in other's lives is important.

*

Like I said previously, Prince is the only one who can do the soul searching & reflect. Hopefully, he'll do that before God rather than shove everything under a rug. God sees under the rug. The higher the mound under the rug, the more bound we are.

Belongs on the Politics and Religion page.

*

Yes, I know. Any mention of God (here @ the Org) on any thread outside P & R and you're immediately banished to P & R. It makes no sense because God isn't a RELIGION nor is He a POLITICIAN. It amazes me how God cannot be incorporated into honest conversation without being banished to P & R. It's a mystery to me.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said: You probably didn't hear Prince's songs with swearing played on the radio, because most radio stations wouldn't or won't play songs with curse words in it on their stations. [Edited 2/4/14 19:12pm]

What I mean is, if you look at the songs/lyrics (just talking about the 80s) the 1990s a lot of cursing was allowed so Prince's 1990s output would have no problem

.

But a lot of 1980s material actually had not much

Prince was all over the radio, some people would 'scratch' a curse word (I remeber a radio station doing that with Erotic City) but they sure didn't let it stop them from playing it.

.

Purple Rain has that rating sticker on it only because of Tipper Gore and the word masturbation in Darling Nikki. Masturbation is not a dirty word of course. But if you look at the lyrics of Purple Rain the album, you won't find any curse words or 'explict' lyrics

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And Parade the same as far as I remember.

Yes, I know about the Tipper Gore complaint. Even today when some radio stations play his classics, they play the non-swearing classics. I remember when Wbls 107.5, the NY station that played Prince's 'Call Me' song for 2 years straight, everyday 2 to 3 times a day, they would occasionally have a Prince and former associates music hour. Fans would call in, and ask for a Prince song to be played, and the radio person or whatever you call them these days, said as long as it's a Prince song with no swearing and if it's a 'clean' version, so-to-speak, then they would play it. So even years afterr, many radio stations continue to play the the songs without explicit lyrics/or swearing.

I have to say though, in present day, it seems everywhere you go, you hear a Prince classic playing somewhere. For example, last week I passed a grocery store and heard '1999' playing. The same week, I was in a supermarket, and then I heard 'Kiss'. So even though you don't really hear any of his new music much on the radio (with the exception of Rock & Roll Love Affair-the original version, which was played on some stations last year), you still hear his classics. But truth be told, it's likely he moved on from his past, with his music, and focusing on the Prince of 'now/. Even though he will perform some of his 80s classics, not a lot, from that catalogue during his live shows.

I guess if he already achieved and conquered, musically, what he wanted in the past, and knowing that era outlived itself, and can never be repeated, it apparently will always live on in his memory, and those of his former band associates of that era and his fans. So I guess moving forward with his music career, in present day, is a good thing.

[Edited 2/5/14 14:22pm]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

What I mean is, if you look at the songs/lyrics (just talking about the 80s) the 1990s a lot of cursing was allowed so Prince's 1990s output would have no problem

.

But a lot of 1980s material actually had not much

Prince was all over the radio, some people would 'scratch' a curse word (I remeber a radio station doing that with Erotic City) but they sure didn't let it stop them from playing it.

.

Purple Rain has that rating sticker on it only because of Tipper Gore and the word masturbation in Darling Nikki. Masturbation is not a dirty word of course. But if you look at the lyrics of Purple Rain the album, you won't find any curse words or 'explict' lyrics

.

And Parade the same as far as I remember.

Yes, I know about the Tipper Gore complaint. Even today when some radio stations play his classics, they play the non-swearing classics. I remember when Wbls 107.5, the NY station that played Prince's 'Call Me' song for 2 years straight, everyday 2 to 3 times a day, they would occasionally have a Prince and former associates music hour. Fans would call in, and ask for a Prince song to be played, and the radio person or whatever you call them these days, said as long as it's a Prince song with no swearing and if it's a 'clean' version, so-to-speak, then they would play it. So even years afterr, many radio stations continue to play the the songs without explicit lyrics/or swearing.

I have to say though, in present day, it seems everywhere you go, you hear a Prince classic playing somewhere. For example, last week I passed a grocery store and heard '1999' playing. The same week, I was in a supermarket, and then I heard 'Kiss'. So even though you don't really hear any of his new music much on the radio (with the exception of Rock & Roll Love Affair-the original version, which was played on some stations last year), you still hear his classics. But truth be told, it's likely he moved on from his past, with his music, and focusing on the Prince of 'now/. Even though he will perform some of his 80s classics, not a lot, from that catalogue during his live shows.

I guess if he already achieved and conquered, musically, what he wanted in the past, and knowing that era outlived itself, and can never be repeated, it apparently will always live on in his memory, and those of his former band associates of that era and his fans. So I guess moving forward with his music career, in present day, is a good thing.

[Edited 2/5/14 14:22pm]

I hear U. That is that thing I have issue with though is that Prince has a non-factual bad rap for having a bunch of dirty cursing songs. Which he doesn't

Let's look at this hits of the 1980s and some 90s

When I listen to the 1st 2 albums I can't name a 'vulgar song'

When I bought Dirty Mind, I felt like I was buying a porno mag, but when I listened didn't hear what I thought I would. Yes a lot of the songs are about sex/lovemaking but not all that vulgar.

of course Head + Sister have a stronger adult theme

and Party Up says [f_cking bore]

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Controversy Private Joy Let's Work Anne Christian Ronnie Talk 2 Russia = no cursing

Do Me Baby (serious radio play even with the adult ending)

Sexuality, Jack U Off

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1999 has a few more curse words but just on Let's Pretend We're Married and, an adult themed song:International Lover. But most of the hit plays 1999 Little Red Corvette, Delirious, DMSR, Automatic. Then Free

Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain, When Doves Cry, Take Me With U, the Beautiful Ones, Computer Blue, I Would Die 4 U, Baby I'm a Star Darling Nikki = no cursing,

Bsides: God, God the Love theme, Another Loney Christmas, 17 Days = no cursing

Erotic City ( 1 F word but it was a hit song)

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ATWIAD, Paisley Park, Condition of the Heart, Tamborine, Raspberry Beret, America, Pop Life, the Ladder = no cursing

Temptation = no cursing but a song about raw sex

Bsides: She's Always In My Hair, Hello, Girl = no cursing

Girl(extended gets erotic and many people miss it unless listen close when he says her _ is so tight)

.

Christopher Tracey's Parade, I Wonder U, UTCMoon, Girls & Boys, Life Can Be So Nice, AnotherLoverHol... Sometimes It Snows In April, Venus de Milo = no cursing

New Position spells out p.u.s.s.y. very silently

Bsides: Love or Money, Alexa de Paris = no cursing

.

SOTT, Play In the Sunshine, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Forever In My Life, Hot Thang, Slow Love, Starfish & Coffee = no cursing, non vulgar

Housequake = 1 or 2 curse words but lots of airplay

If I Was Ur Girlfriend, Strange Relationships, ICNTTPOYMan, the Cross, U Got the Look, Adore, IGBABNight = no curse words

Bsides: La La La He He Hee, Shockadelica=no curse words lots of air play

.

I could go on, but I've looked a lot of that time period over, and Prince was know to put on a show, there was Vanity 6 Nasty Boys(hit with lots of airplay) the Time and they acted out the songs etc etc but the censoring of those albums overall like most of the songs or even half were these raw dirty cursing filled cuts is wrong.

.

Prince actually still seems to play most of his set with songs from that time period, he has a large catalogue to pull from, which is why I don't care for cover songs sung by the man with a million songs. I looked over a lot of his concert setlists over his career and only on a few concerts did he play most of the songs of the new album:Gold, Diamonds & Pearls, Rainbow Children are 3 off my head. But even Emancipation is u look at the setlist he played more songs from the 80s, probably 2-5 at most from that 3 cd set.

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Nothing from 20Ten on the Welcome 2 tour played around with Sticky Like Glue and 1 other song here and there, but nothing else. I would love for him to do more small shows where he feels comfortable doing a large set of songs from albums hardly performed.

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Yes, I know about the Tipper Gore complaint. Even today when some radio stations play his classics, they play the non-swearing classics. I remember when Wbls 107.5, the NY station that played Prince's 'Call Me' song for 2 years straight, everyday 2 to 3 times a day, they would occasionally have a Prince and former associates music hour. Fans would call in, and ask for a Prince song to be played, and the radio person or whatever you call them these days, said as long as it's a Prince song with no swearing and if it's a 'clean' version, so-to-speak, then they would play it. So even years afterr, many radio stations continue to play the the songs without explicit lyrics/or swearing.

I have to say though, in present day, it seems everywhere you go, you hear a Prince classic playing somewhere. For example, last week I passed a grocery store and heard '1999' playing. The same week, I was in a supermarket, and then I heard 'Kiss'. So even though you don't really hear any of his new music much on the radio (with the exception of Rock & Roll Love Affair-the original version, which was played on some stations last year), you still hear his classics. But truth be told, it's likely he moved on from his past, with his music, and focusing on the Prince of 'now/. Even though he will perform some of his 80s classics, not a lot, from that catalogue during his live shows.

I guess if he already achieved and conquered, musically, what he wanted in the past, and knowing that era outlived itself, and can never be repeated, it apparently will always live on in his memory, and those of his former band associates of that era and his fans. So I guess moving forward with his music career, in present day, is a good thing.

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I hear U. That is that thing I have issue with though is that Prince has a non-factual bad rap for having a bunch of dirty cursing songs. Which he doesn't

Let's look at this hits of the 1980s and some 90s

When I listen to the 1st 2 albums I can't name a 'vulgar song'

When I bought Dirty Mind, I felt like I was buying a porno mag, but when I listened didn't hear what I thought I would. Yes a lot of the songs are about sex/lovemaking but not all that vulgar.

of course Head + Sister have a stronger adult theme

and Party Up says [f_cking bore]

.

Controversy Private Joy Let's Work Anne Christian Ronnie Talk 2 Russia = no cursing

Do Me Baby (serious radio play even with the adult ending)

Sexuality, Jack U Off

.

1999 has a few more curse words but just on Let's Pretend We're Married and, an adult themed song:International Lover. But most of the hit plays 1999 Little Red Corvette, Delirious, DMSR, Automatic. Then Free

Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain, When Doves Cry, Take Me With U, the Beautiful Ones, Computer Blue, I Would Die 4 U, Baby I'm a Star Darling Nikki = no cursing,

Bsides: God, God the Love theme, Another Loney Christmas, 17 Days = no cursing

Erotic City ( 1 F word but it was a hit song)

.

ATWIAD, Paisley Park, Condition of the Heart, Tamborine, Raspberry Beret, America, Pop Life, the Ladder = no cursing

Temptation = no cursing but a song about raw sex

Bsides: She's Always In My Hair, Hello, Girl = no cursing

Girl(extended gets erotic and many people miss it unless listen close when he says her _ is so tight)

.

Christopher Tracey's Parade, I Wonder U, UTCMoon, Girls & Boys, Life Can Be So Nice, AnotherLoverHol... Sometimes It Snows In April, Venus de Milo = no cursing

New Position spells out p.u.s.s.y. very silently

Bsides: Love or Money, Alexa de Paris = no cursing

.

SOTT, Play In the Sunshine, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Forever In My Life, Hot Thang, Slow Love, Starfish & Coffee = no cursing, non vulgar

Housequake = 1 or 2 curse words but lots of airplay

If I Was Ur Girlfriend, Strange Relationships, ICNTTPOYMan, the Cross, U Got the Look, Adore, IGBABNight = no curse words

Bsides: La La La He He Hee, Shockadelica=no curse words lots of air play

.

I could go on, but I've looked a lot of that time period over, and Prince was know to put on a show, there was Vanity 6 Nasty Boys(hit with lots of airplay) the Time and they acted out the songs etc etc but the censoring of those albums overall like most of the songs or even half were these raw dirty cursing filled cuts is wrong.

.

Prince actually still seems to play most of his set with songs from that time period, he has a large catalogue to pull from, which is why I don't care for cover songs sung by the man with a million songs. I looked over a lot of his concert setlists over his career and only on a few concerts did he play most of the songs of the new album:Gold, Diamonds & Pearls, Rainbow Children are 3 off my head. But even Emancipation is u look at the setlist he played more songs from the 80s, probably 2-5 at most from that 3 cd set.

.

Nothing from 20Ten on the Welcome 2 tour played around with Sticky Like Glue and 1 other song here and there, but nothing else. I would love for him to do more small shows where he feels comfortable doing a large set of songs from albums hardly performed.

What you say about some of the songs not having a lot of swearing or sexually-suggestive lyrics, the thing is, most still weren't played on the radio.

Also, seeing how you mentioned 20Ten, he did play LayDown quite a few shows and on George Lopez' show. I like some of the songs from the 20Ten cd. Let me see, some of my favorites are:

Sea of Everything (Reminds me of Smokey Robinson's song 'Ooh, Ooh baby, baby')

LayDown

Walk in Sand

Sticky Like Glue (Reminds me of the Brothers Johnson music)

Future Soul song (Which I believe some said he sang at some shows, and is some fans' favorite track, as mentioned by fans on previous threads here)

[Edited 2/5/14 17:20pm]

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I hear U. That is that thing I have issue with though is that Prince has a non-factual bad rap for having a bunch of dirty cursing songs. Which he doesn't

Let's look at this hits of the 1980s and some 90s

When I listen to the 1st 2 albums I can't name a 'vulgar song'

When I bought Dirty Mind, I felt like I was buying a porno mag, but when I listened didn't hear what I thought I would. Yes a lot of the songs are about sex/lovemaking but not all that vulgar.

of course Head + Sister have a stronger adult theme

and Party Up says [f_cking bore]

.

Controversy Private Joy Let's Work Anne Christian Ronnie Talk 2 Russia = no cursing

Do Me Baby (serious radio play even with the adult ending)

Sexuality, Jack U Off

.

1999 has a few more curse words but just on Let's Pretend We're Married and, an adult themed song:International Lover. But most of the hit plays 1999 Little Red Corvette, Delirious, DMSR, Automatic. Then Free

Let's Go Crazy, Purple Rain, When Doves Cry, Take Me With U, the Beautiful Ones, Computer Blue, I Would Die 4 U, Baby I'm a Star Darling Nikki = no cursing,

Bsides: God, God the Love theme, Another Loney Christmas, 17 Days = no cursing

Erotic City ( 1 F word but it was a hit song)

.

ATWIAD, Paisley Park, Condition of the Heart, Tamborine, Raspberry Beret, America, Pop Life, the Ladder = no cursing

Temptation = no cursing but a song about raw sex

Bsides: She's Always In My Hair, Hello, Girl = no cursing

Girl(extended gets erotic and many people miss it unless listen close when he says her _ is so tight)

.

Christopher Tracey's Parade, I Wonder U, UTCMoon, Girls & Boys, Life Can Be So Nice, AnotherLoverHol... Sometimes It Snows In April, Venus de Milo = no cursing

New Position spells out p.u.s.s.y. very silently

Bsides: Love or Money, Alexa de Paris = no cursing

.

SOTT, Play In the Sunshine, Ballad of Dorothy Parker, Forever In My Life, Hot Thang, Slow Love, Starfish & Coffee = no cursing, non vulgar

Housequake = 1 or 2 curse words but lots of airplay

If I Was Ur Girlfriend, Strange Relationships, ICNTTPOYMan, the Cross, U Got the Look, Adore, IGBABNight = no curse words

Bsides: La La La He He Hee, Shockadelica=no curse words lots of air play

.

I could go on, but I've looked a lot of that time period over, and Prince was know to put on a show, there was Vanity 6 Nasty Boys(hit with lots of airplay) the Time and they acted out the songs etc etc but the censoring of those albums overall like most of the songs or even half were these raw dirty cursing filled cuts is wrong.

.

Prince actually still seems to play most of his set with songs from that time period, he has a large catalogue to pull from, which is why I don't care for cover songs sung by the man with a million songs. I looked over a lot of his concert setlists over his career and only on a few concerts did he play most of the songs of the new album:Gold, Diamonds & Pearls, Rainbow Children are 3 off my head. But even Emancipation is u look at the setlist he played more songs from the 80s, probably 2-5 at most from that 3 cd set.

.

Nothing from 20Ten on the Welcome 2 tour played around with Sticky Like Glue and 1 other song here and there, but nothing else. I would love for him to do more small shows where he feels comfortable doing a large set of songs from albums hardly performed.

What you say about some of the songs not having a lot of swearing or sexually-suggestive lyrics, the thing is, most still weren't played on the radio.

Also, seeing how you mentioned 20Ten, he did play LayDown quite a few shows and on George Lopez' show. I like some of the songs from the 20Ten cd. Let me see, some of my favorites are:

Sea of Everything (Reminds me of Smokey Robinson's song 'Ooh, Ooh baby, baby')

LayDown

Walk in Sand

Sticky Like Glue (Reminds me of the Brothers Johnson music)

Future Soul song (Which I believe some said he sang at some shows, and is some fans' favorite track, as mentioned by fans on previous threads here)

[Edited 2/5/14 17:20pm]

I know most weren't, except at one of the radio stations I grew up on, they played anything and everything Prince & proteges. Even Old Friends 4 Sale in late 85 as a Promo to his new movie.

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What I'm saying is I think Prince has a 'bad rep' of sorts when it came to a lot of that music then because most of it, not just some, most of it was pretty radio friendly. The thing with a lot of his music was that it wasn't easily catagorized. Had a more 'experimental' feel to it:Anne Christian, Sexuality, All the Critics Love U in NY etc

Even the whole God & Sex struggle wasn't even audible in the music, you really didn't get that God/Sex thing until Purple Rain. And Parade had no 'religious' songs.

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But that was one thing about the city I grew up in back then they LOVED Prince, you didn't have to buy the album if u had a Maxwell tape, they played the whole album.

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Yeah Laydown and Sticky Like Glue he played a few times. But overall nothing from that album. And I actually like it. Sticky Like Glue, Sea of Everything, Walk in the Sand are my favorites and the opening track is cool.