Well the little Purple pain has dried up my boot sources! What the hell do I do now?!

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Okay--what? Not only, what do you mean by including this GIF, but--WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

EddieC said:

Javi said:

This depends. I have gained respect for the artist, and he interests me more than his music now.

Respect for the artist is cool--but he sells his music (as I'm sure you've noticed) not himself.

So, he'd rather you were interested in the music, I'm sure.

I'm madly in love with Prince's music. What I meant is that I don't like the most part of his recent output (after Lotus Flow3r, which is great, in my opinion), but I'm very interested in other aspects of Prince, like the way he cares for his rights as a musician.

Javi said:

EddieC said:

Respect for the artist is cool--but he sells his music (as I'm sure you've noticed) not himself.

So, he'd rather you were interested in the music, I'm sure.

I'm madly in love with Prince's music. What I meant is that I don't like the most part of his recent output (after Lotus Flow3r, which is great, in my opinion), but I'm very interested in other aspects of Prince, like the way he cares for his rights as a musician.

Understood--I also am interested in the way he cares for his rights. I wish he did so in a different way (as some artists do), but it's still part of the overall package that is Prince.

I've always wondered why a guy who hates being recorded in interviews would continue to initiate a process where he'd be required to sit for a sworn, recorded, perhaps even videotaped deposition.

mschirmer said:

I'm sorry but Prince is an asshole. I love the man but he has steamrolled his career into the ground with all these petty copyright lawsuits. If he spent just a quarter of the energy he does sending his dogs after people on YouTube, etc. the man might have been able to remain a relevant recording artist. It's so sad. The only people who have a grasp on his contribution to pop culture are the select few that experienced it 30 years ago. The younger generation doesn't have a clue because they can't explore his career like they can everyone else. So all they have is his new music and the shitty Purple Rain clips that have been played into the ground. It's as if he didn't exist and when he dies, it will look like he only recorded one album and a few singles. I have younger friends that have no clue about his career because they cAnt check him out anywhere online. Prince needs to stop looking on the mirror and start opening his heart and mind.

I agree, he is hurting his own legecy. This is how the younger generation discovers music, other than what the radio brainwashes us with. I understand he wants to control his art, but I just don't think this is the right way to do it.

3NineteeN04 said:

mschirmer said:

I'm sorry but Prince is an asshole. I love the man but he has steamrolled his career into the ground with all these petty copyright lawsuits. If he spent just a quarter of the energy he does sending his dogs after people on YouTube, etc. the man might have been able to remain a relevant recording artist. It's so sad. The only people who have a grasp on his contribution to pop culture are the select few that experienced it 30 years ago. The younger generation doesn't have a clue because they can't explore his career like they can everyone else. So all they have is his new music and the shitty Purple Rain clips that have been played into the ground. It's as if he didn't exist and when he dies, it will look like he only recorded one album and a few singles. I have younger friends that have no clue about his career because they cAnt check him out anywhere online. Prince needs to stop looking on the mirror and start opening his heart and mind.

I agree, he is hurting his own legecy. This is how the younger generation discovers music, other than what the radio brainwashes us with. I understand he wants to control his art, but I just don't think this is the right way to do it.

He is a RRHOF, academy, grammy and golden globe winner..what legacy is he hurting..my daughters generation (younger) is not gonna effect that one way or another

3NineteeN04 said:

mschirmer said:

I'm sorry but Prince is an asshole. I love the man but he has steamrolled his career into the ground with all these petty copyright lawsuits. If he spent just a quarter of the energy he does sending his dogs after people on YouTube, etc. the man might have been able to remain a relevant recording artist. It's so sad. The only people who have a grasp on his contribution to pop culture are the select few that experienced it 30 years ago. The younger generation doesn't have a clue because they can't explore his career like they can everyone else. So all they have is his new music and the shitty Purple Rain clips that have been played into the ground. It's as if he didn't exist and when he dies, it will look like he only recorded one album and a few singles. I have younger friends that have no clue about his career because they cAnt check him out anywhere online. Prince needs to stop looking on the mirror and start opening his heart and mind.

I agree, he is hurting his own legecy. This is how the younger generation discovers music, other than what the radio brainwashes us with. I understand he wants to control his art, but I just don't think this is the right way to do it.

yep I think he is going about it the wrong way.

tab32792 said:

I just want a WORLD TOUR AND A GOOD ALBUM.

I just want a WORLD TOUR, a GOOD ALBUM, and a decent LIVE CONCERT DVD!!!

The only reason the bootleggers do so much business is because Prince is not giving us the products we want! Bootleg dvds and live audio recordings are often the only way we have to experience these shows, since we can't possibly travel to or afford to go to all of them, especially the older shows that we may have missed back in the day. If Prince would put out a good quality dvd and/or live cd once in a while, we wouldn't need these bootleg copies. If nothing else, the bootleggers are providing historical documentation of Prince's career.

I can understand Prince would be upset if the bootleggers were distributing recordings of his music that he intended to make available himself, and therefore he is losing money, but to be upset that fans are sharing material that they recorded themselves and are distributing for free, just for the joy of sharing and promoting the Prince live experience, he should be glad they are still interested enough to care to do that. Sometimes that's the only way some people get to experience it at all!

Just my two cents

SquirrelMeat said:

Well the little Purple pain has dried up my boot sources! What the hell do I do now?!

I'm just take a swing and say...listen to the ones you have.

RodeoSchro said:

Stymie said:

tab32792 said: If you think all the sites are gone, you're kidding yourself. My friend, a lawyer who's an expert on copyright law, said the lawsuit was a bluff . He was right.

I am going to assume that all my analyses were right on the money!

I told you that on the other thread.

EddieC said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Okay--what? Not only, what do you mean by including this GIF, but--WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE?

my guess It's an attempt to attack us with a gif

Cool gif

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

XNY said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Well the little Purple pain has dried up my boot sources! What the hell do I do now?!

I'm just take a swing and say...listen to the ones you have.

Was saying the same thing to someone yesterday but it does give me the opportunity to organise the collection, and of course it is fair to say that there is a vast amount that I have not even heard yet.

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SquirrelMeat said:

Let's face it .. prince was bluffing .. he knows he has no legal right to go after FREE bootlegs .. he knows half the songs on these bootlegs are COVERS sung by his horrible BAND that PRINCE probably owes money for, since he seems to think nobody can cover HIS songs without being sued. Personally I can record anything I want that goes on in my life, including a concert. I paid him to perform for ME not the other way around. Prince can stay home if he doesnt want to be recorded. PRince can stop handing out cassettes of his music if he does not want people to share it.

Prince cultivated the bootleg industry by A. handing out cassettes of unreleased material .. and B. refusing to provide access to live prince recordings to his fans through out the years. Had prince provided live shows on the regular, as many shitty less financially secure bands do all the time with ease, prince may be able to argue that the bootleggers cut into his sales. But he did not. Therefore prince has no legal leg to stand on.

Prince is all flash and no mojo these days. Talking loud and saying nothing .. what a great bunch of publicity he has gotten lately .. too bad no good songs available to capitalize on all the publicity. Hell one solid live soundboard from 1983-1985 would make him a ton right now. But no .. we have this pretzelpoopytragic bull shit. If prince was a real christian he would be IN satans world, not OF it. Money is indeed the root of ALL evil, and more and more Prince shows he is more obsessed with money than making good music or being good to the people that spend half their paycheck on the lil hobbit.

nursev said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Well the little Purple pain has dried up my boot sources! What the hell do I do now?!

All kindsa wrong

TrevorAyer said:

Had prince provided live shows on the regular, as many shitty less financially secure bands do all the time with ease, prince may be able to argue that the bootleggers cut into his sales.

And of the live stuff he has released, hardly any is still in print:

Prince And The Revolution Live - Out of Print

Lovesexy Live - Out Of Print

The Sacrifice Of Victor - Out Of Print

One Nite Alone Live - Out Of Print

Indigo Nights - Out Of Print

Sign "O" The Times - Still Available

Rave Unto The Year 2000 - Still Available

One Nite Alone At The Aladdin - Still Available

If I'm forgetting any, they're probably out of print too...

Sell us some live stuff Prince. We are obviously hungry for it!!

EDIT: D'oh! Thanks, SuperSoulFighter!!

[Edited 1/30/14 8:35am]

prince needs to sell a million dollars worth of live audience recordings to PROVE that the defendants harmed his personal income .. ok prince there are no more bootlegs online .. now prove that you can sell a million dollars worth of audience bootlegs without them around .. actually .. to be fair .. make that 22 million rich boy

but since he can never do it again...doesnt that mean THOSE 'leggers are free to go hog wild with the stuff???

The websites sure pulled the material with the threat of their asses getting pounded. People don’t change their ways or get the hint until their ass is on the line. A 22 million lawsuit will do the trick. Good on Prince for dropping the suit when they complied AND for threatening them in the first place. IT HAS TO BE DONE. Piracy is not wholesome fan play. It needs to be treated as the crime that it is.

Prince has used every legal avenue available to keep his live material out of the hands of his fans. Ironically, were it not for the live performances his shrinking fan base would be even more diminished.

This story is getting quite a lot of attention - another BBC report:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...y-25960300

I always thought this would get dropped as it wasn't legally sound, it was more of a scare tactic, publicity stunt - you can read this article too which also points out legal flaws in it http://www.techdirt.com/a...aint.shtml

[Edited 1/30/14 11:57am]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

This story is getting quite a lot of attention - another BBC report:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...y-25960300

I always thought this would get dropped as it wasn't legally sound, it was more of a scare tactic, publicity stunt - you can read this article too which also points out legal flaws in it http://www.techdirt.com/a...aint.shtml

[Edited 1/30/14 11:57am]

what makes it not legally sound in your legal opinion, Do tell]

^ Read my post on the original thread, I explain it there - basically very unlikely that you can sue people without knowing their true identity (a website or blog name won't do) or prove that you lost $1 million through just posting a link to a download - the techdirt article elaborates on this too.

[Edited 1/30/14 13:22pm]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ Read my post on the original thread, I explain it there - basically very unlikely that you can sue people without knowing their true identity (a website or blog name won't do) or prove that you lost $1 million through just posting a link to a download - the techdirt article elaborates on this too.

[Edited 1/30/14 13:22pm]

none of that matters. the point was to scare them and to have them and anyone else blatantly posting material to stop. It worked. They removed the material. Even if you are innocent you still have to hire a lwyer and go through all the expenses and bullshit to defend themselves in court. It was a good call by Prince and worked perfectly.

[Edited 1/30/14 14:07pm]