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PrintableOH man. this one's tough. they both have their strengths.
i'll go with dream factory. if released this would have done better than SIGN O TIMES. | |
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okaypimpn said: Was "Dream Factory" to be credited as Prince & The Revolution or were they both after the breakup? Dream Factory was going to be a Prince & The Revolution album. He scrapped it when they broke up, and held over his solo stuff for Crystal Ball. | |
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Crystal Ball.
Cuz he was so proud of the set. And it is a better paced compilation. | |
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I prefer this collection of songs myself and call it whatever:
Dream Factory Shockadelica Movie Star Housequake If I Was Your Girlfriend Starfish And Coffee The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker Power Fantastic Sign "O" The Times The Cross Joy In Repetition Le Grind U Got The Look Hot Thing Sexual Suicide It I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man Last Heart Strange Relationship Forever In My Life Crucial Crystal Ball | |
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How is Sign O The Times on Dream Factory ?
I thought it was the last song he wrote, and was only added at the last minute ??! And then, obviously, the album title changed to Sign O The Times. At least that's the story I remember reading a few years ago !! Both of these sets look like a mess, but Crystal Ball seems like a better album to me. | |
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james said: How is Sign O The Times on Dream Factory ?
I thought it was the last song he wrote, and was only added at the last minute ??! And then, obviously, the album title changed to Sign O The Times. At least that's the story I remember reading a few years ago !! Both of these sets look like a mess, but Crystal Ball seems like a better album to me. No, Sign O The Times was recorded on July 12th 1986, a few days before the final version of Dream Factory was sequenced. U Got The Look was the last minute addition to the Sign O The Times album. | |
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hey, i know that theres the camille album and that you got the look is camille but isnt on the camille album.
My question is this: Are there any other Camille songs around? Aprt from that shit one with George Clinton, can you paradyme. _________________________________________
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Scarlet Pussy is the only other track (apart from
U Got The Look) to be credited to 'Camille', that wasn't on the 'Camille' album. There's loads of other tracks that feature the vari-speeded 'Camille' voice though. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: james said: How is Sign O The Times on Dream Factory ?
I thought it was the last song he wrote, and was only added at the last minute ??! And then, obviously, the album title changed to Sign O The Times. At least that's the story I remember reading a few years ago !! Both of these sets look like a mess, but Crystal Ball seems like a better album to me. No, Sign O The Times was recorded on July 12th 1986, a few days before the final version of Dream Factory was sequenced. U Got The Look was the last minute addition to the Sign O The Times album. hmm.. interesting. I wonder: is the consensus that U Got the Look was added at the last minute as a "commercial" track... maybe there was a feeling there weren't enough singles? Just a thought... | |
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JonSnow said: BorisFishpaw said: james said: How is Sign O The Times on Dream Factory ?
I thought it was the last song he wrote, and was only added at the last minute ??! And then, obviously, the album title changed to Sign O The Times. At least that's the story I remember reading a few years ago !! Both of these sets look like a mess, but Crystal Ball seems like a better album to me. No, Sign O The Times was recorded on July 12th 1986, a few days before the final version of Dream Factory was sequenced. U Got The Look was the last minute addition to the Sign O The Times album. hmm.. interesting. I wonder: is the consensus that U Got the Look was added at the last minute as a "commercial" track... maybe there was a feeling there weren't enough singles? Just a thought... It wasn't so much that Prince or WB thought that there weren't enough singles. It was just that Prince had recorded U Got The Look between the time that Crystal Ball was rejected and Sign O The Times was sequenced. He knew he'd written a commercial track, and thought it would be a great addition to the album. Prince actually spend a lot of time trying to get U Got The Look just right. It was recorded as a slower funkier track, but Prince decided to speed it up and turn it into more of a pop song. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: JonSnow said: BorisFishpaw said: james said: How is Sign O The Times on Dream Factory ?
I thought it was the last song he wrote, and was only added at the last minute ??! And then, obviously, the album title changed to Sign O The Times. At least that's the story I remember reading a few years ago !! Both of these sets look like a mess, but Crystal Ball seems like a better album to me. No, Sign O The Times was recorded on July 12th 1986, a few days before the final version of Dream Factory was sequenced. U Got The Look was the last minute addition to the Sign O The Times album. cool.. thanks Boris
hmm.. interesting. I wonder: is the consensus that U Got the Look was added at the last minute as a "commercial" track... maybe there was a feeling there weren't enough singles? Just a thought... It wasn't so much that Prince or WB thought that there weren't enough singles. It was just that Prince had recorded U Got The Look between the time that Crystal Ball was rejected and Sign O The Times was sequenced. He knew he'd written a commercial track, and thought it would be a great addition to the album. Prince actually spend a lot of time trying to get U Got The Look just right. It was recorded as a slower funkier track, but Prince decided to speed it up and turn it into more of a pop song. | |
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VISIONS
TRAIN A PLACE IN HEAVEN LAST HEART WITNESS 4 THE PROSECUTION ALL MY DREAMS REBIRTH OF THE FLESH THE BALL hi there, where does one find any of the above tunes? thx, ak ps dream factory is a very weak tune... | |
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Crystal Ball is by the more superior musically and diverse. This album would have been Prince's crowning achievement if released and in a sense it is as it was trimmed down to make SOTT. __________________________________________________
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I've always felt Dream Factory was classier and more Pop oriented in a happier mood.
And Crystal Ball as a fresh new powerful direction, based on hardcore Funk and darkness. I tend to lean towards Crystal Ball for that. Then for a mellower happier mood, Dream Factory. It reminds me of The Revolution so much. The whole Parade feel in a way. | |
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andrewajk said: VISIONS
TRAIN A PLACE IN HEAVEN LAST HEART WITNESS 4 THE PROSECUTION ALL MY DREAMS REBIRTH OF THE FLESH THE BALL hi there, where does one find any of the above tunes? thx, ak ps dream factory is a very weak tune... Off the record! Duuhh!! Try Kazaa. Not that it's ethical, but, yeah. Try Kazaa. EDIT: Okay, I just heard Wonderful Ass for the first time. WHAT THE HELL is this Lame-o INXS "appreciate-innebriate-the number 8-a perfect slate-pollinate" crap? When did this record come out? It's a DIRECT LIFT of their song... both came out around 87, so I'm wondering if Prince totally RIPPED them off? [This message was edited Tue Mar 18 13:08:23 PST 2003 by otan] The Last Otan Track: www.funkmusician.com/what.mp3 | |
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Dream Factory: 9 votes
Crystal Ball: 12 votes | |
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Could someone out there make some really nice professional-looking covers / CD labels for each of these as originally intended (ie. Dream Factory as a 2-disc set, CB as a 3-disc set) and let us know which versions/lengths of each track were used on CB - I would love to burn my own sets and place them with Camille / Xpectation and albums of that sort... [This message was edited Tue Mar 18 13:18:11 PST 2003 by booyah] | |
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In my opinion, both albums sound somewhat unfinished.
Through their various incarnations, and as they stand, Dream Factory sounds like an album with a tighter focus and musical theme, whereas Crystal Ball sounds like a mishmash of events and ideas. For these reasons, both Sign 'O' The Times and Camille work better as albums than Crystal Ball does. Warner were absolutely right to whittle down Prince's material during this period, both commercially and artistically. Regardless of their motives, his musical genius will have been both clouded and compromised, had Crystal Ball been released. That argument does not hold with Dream Factory. | |
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booyah said: Could someone out there make some really nice professional-looking covers / CD labels for each of these as originally intended (ie. Dream Factory as a 2-disc set, CB as a 3-disc set) and let us know which versions/lengths of each track were used on CB - I would love to burn my own sets and place them with Camille / Xpectation and albums of that sort...
[This message was edited Tue Mar 18 13:18:11 PST 2003 by booyah] Here's the track times for Crystal Ball: side one REBIRTH OF THE FLESH (4:51) PLAY IN THE SUNSHINE (5:05) HOUSEQUAKE (4:38 ) THE BALLAD OF DOROTHY PARKER (4:04) side two IT (5:10) STARFISH & COFFEE (2:51) SLOW LOVE (4:18 ) HOT THING (5:39) side three CRYSTAL BALL (10:28 ) IF I WAS YOUR GIRLFRIEND (4:54) ROCKHARD IN A FUNKY PLACE (4:32) side four THE BALL (4:34) JOY IN REPETITION (4:53) STRANGE RELATIONSHIP (4:04) I COULD NEVER TAKE THE PLACE OF YOUR MAN (6:31) side five SHOCKADELICA (6:12) GOOD LOVE (5:12) FOREVER IN MY LIFE (3:38 ) SIGN O’ THE TIMES (5:02) side six THE CROSS (4:46) ADORE (6:29) IT’S GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT (8:59) [This message was edited Tue Mar 18 16:19:57 PST 2003 by BorisFishpaw] | |
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Boris, what was the tracklist and date when Dream Factory included Power Fantastic? Thanks!
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Anji said: Boris, what was the tracklist and date when Dream Factory included Power Fantastic? Thanks!
June 3rd 1986... Tracklist for Dream Factory: side one: VISIONS DREAM FACTORY IT'S A WONDERFUL DAY THE BALLAD OF DOROTHY PARKER IT side two: STRANGE RELATIONSHIP TEACHER TEACHER STARFISH & COFFEE IN A LARGE ROOM WITH NO LIGHT SEXUAL SUICIDE side three: CRYSTAL BALL POWER FANTASTIC side four: LAST HEART WITNESS 4 THE PROSECUTION MOVIE STAR A PLACE IN HEAVEN ALL MY DREAMS . | |
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if this were AMP, some douchebag would just say "READ DMSR!!!"
luckily this isn't AMP  | |
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Thanks Boris, that is my favourite tracklist. | |
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AaronFantastic said: if this were AMP, some douchebag would just say "READ DMSR!!!"
luckily this isn't AMP I didn't think that was an ignorant question. Luckily, I don't visit AMP.  | |
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Both are raw, incohesive colelctions of decent tracks, but I'd have to vote for Crystal Ball.
Size doesn't always matter to me, but in this case everything is pretty good. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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