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Reply #30 posted 03/16/03 4:46pm

namepeace

I'd go with Rebirth of The Flesh as the final track.

The hidden track should be "Come On (Camille's last stroke)."
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Reply #31 posted 03/16/03 5:28pm

sawatdiikhrap

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sawatdiikhrap said:

Witness 4 The Prosecution?

Is that really a Camille track?
There's no evidence that it is. In this thread, Aaron is compiling a CD of tracks which are either attributed to Camille in some way OR have a Camille-like quality (but where there has never been a direct reference to Camille in, say, liner notes).
I have a copy of this without a sped up voice, and one with?
Is one called simply 'Witness'?
They are both believed to be called 'Witness 4 The Prosecution'.



but I'm not going crazy right? There are (at least) two versions, one with sped up voice and one without?

If I remember rightly they are different in many ways other than the voice.
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Reply #32 posted 03/16/03 5:38pm

chookalana

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"So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
uzi RIAA
mac 'nuff said.
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Reply #33 posted 03/16/03 5:47pm

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chookalana said:




i remember that artwork, WONDERFUL...

its missing a couple songs tho' but that's coo! Dont worry, fantastic cover!
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Reply #34 posted 03/16/03 5:52pm

Lammastide

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Anji said:

Camille...

01 Crystal Ball
02 Rebirth Of The Flesh
03 Housequake
04 If I Was Your Girlfriend
05 Bob George
06 Scarlet Pussy
07 Good Love
08 Feel U Up
09 Shockadelica
10 Strange Relationship
11 Rockhard In A Funky Place
12 Witness For The Prosecution

mr.green


This progression works the best so far, I think. You did it once again, Anji! (If I ever become a rock star, remind me to look you up.) But I'd add my two cents...

First, while "Crystal Ball" is probably one of my all-time Prince favorites, there's not much besides the altered voice that makes it "Camillesque." It's an amazing song and a kick-ass intro, but the string-laden orchestration doesn't fit, and the sophisticated, wordly message of the song, albeit desolate, isn't decadent. I'd leave it off (don't hate me) and replace it with something narrative, amazingly arrogant and just plain silly, like "Movie Star." I think that's a better introduction to who Camille is.

Also, while "Witness for the Prosecution" could be a decent close, I actually love Camille's self-effacing ending to "Rock Hard in a Funky Place" It sorta says that Camille is SO cynical and destructive about everything, even him/her/itself, that despite this really cool album, he totally trashes it all at the end. So here's my listing...

01 Movie Star
02 Rebirth Of The Flesh
03 Housequake
04 If I Was Your Girlfriend
05 Bob George
06 Scarlet Pussy
07 Good Love (It's almost a bit too positive to be included, and I debate whether it really works next to the totally contradictory "Feel U Up." But, as Anji said, it's a GREAT intro to side 2. I also think it carries the best potential for a single, and the contradiction would give people something to argue about. Besides, without something slightly more positive, this album begins to feel as dark as the Black Album)
08 Feel U Up
09 Shockadelica
10 Strange Relationship
11 Rockhard In A Funky Place

Eleven tracks is long enough. I HATE CDs that just go on-and-on. Shorter leaves 'em wanting more. Furthermore, we've got to save some stuff for B-sides!
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #35 posted 03/16/03 6:03pm

Lammastide

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Oh... maybe I got carried away with the B-sides and all. I wasn't sure whether this is just a compilation Aaron is throwing together or a fantasy rewriting of history. lol
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #36 posted 03/16/03 7:29pm

Anji

Lammastide said:

Oh... maybe I got carried away with the B-sides and all. I wasn't sure whether this is just a compilation Aaron is throwing together or a fantasy rewriting of history. lol
lol
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Reply #37 posted 03/16/03 7:42pm

Anji

Lammastide said:

Anji said:

Camille...

01 Crystal Ball
02 Rebirth Of The Flesh
03 Housequake
04 If I Was Your Girlfriend
05 Bob George
06 Scarlet Pussy
07 Good Love
08 Feel U Up
09 Shockadelica
10 Strange Relationship
11 Rockhard In A Funky Place
12 Witness For The Prosecution

mr.green


This progression works the best so far, I think. You did it once again, Anji! (If I ever become a rock star, remind me to look you up.) But I'd add my two cents...

First, while "Crystal Ball" is probably one of my all-time Prince favorites, there's not much besides the altered voice that makes it "Camillesque." It's an amazing song and a kick-ass intro, but the string-laden orchestration doesn't fit, and the sophisticated, wordly message of the song, albeit desolate, isn't decadent. I'd leave it off (don't hate me) and replace it with something narrative, amazingly arrogant and just plain silly, like "Movie Star." I think that's a better introduction to who Camille is.

Also, while "Witness for the Prosecution" could be a decent close, I actually love Camille's self-effacing ending to "Rock Hard in a Funky Place" It sorta says that Camille is SO cynical and destructive about everything, even him/her/itself, that despite this really cool album, he totally trashes it all at the end. So here's my listing...

01 Movie Star
02 Rebirth Of The Flesh
03 Housequake
04 If I Was Your Girlfriend
05 Bob George
06 Scarlet Pussy
07 Good Love (It's almost a bit too positive to be included, and I debate whether it really works next to the totally contradictory "Feel U Up." But, as Anji said, it's a GREAT intro to side 2. I also think it carries the best potential for a single, and the contradiction would give people something to argue about. Besides, without something slightly more positive, this album begins to feel as dark as the Black Album)
08 Feel U Up
09 Shockadelica
10 Strange Relationship
11 Rockhard In A Funky Place

Eleven tracks is long enough. I HATE CDs that just go on-and-on. Shorter leaves 'em wanting more. Furthermore, we've got to save some stuff for B-sides!
I had never considered Movie Star in the Camille range, mainly because it lacks that voice 'tweak' and the beat is too 'heavy,' if that makes sense. Yes, Strange Relationship has that 'heavy' beat too but then again, I've always thought it also stands out as somewhat different to the other Camille tracks. Similarly, U Got The Look appears too rock to be Camille. Damn, is there actually a definitive Camille sound, besides the voice? I've always associated HIM with funk. Perhaps, that's where I'm misleading myself. Regardless, I can see your point about not including Crystal Ball on a Camille disc but I guess it's considered too good to drop. As always, this is all up for interpretation. I was just working from Aaron's wish list. Thanks for the compliment, Lammastide!

mr.green
[This message was edited Sun Mar 16 16:46:15 PST 2003 by Anji]
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Reply #38 posted 03/17/03 12:07am

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but what about Love or $???
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Reply #39 posted 03/17/03 4:05am

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paisleypark4 said:

but what about Love or $???



i thought about it. but, it seems way too Revolution-y. i'd actually include Erotic City before Love Or Money, because it has a more similar vibe to the Camille stuff.
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Reply #40 posted 03/17/03 6:09am

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I am SO stealing this track list razz
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #41 posted 03/17/03 7:37am

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CalhounSq said:

I am SO stealing this track list razz



well then, take the final version biggrin

Crystal Ball
Dream Factory
Rebirth Of The Flesh
Housequake
Scarlet Pussy
U Got The Look
If I Was Your Girlfriend
Strange Relationship
Bob George
Shockadelica
Witness 4 The Prosecution
Feel U Up
Good Love
Moquake
Rockhard In A Funky Place
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Reply #42 posted 03/17/03 7:41am

CalhounSq

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AaronFantastic said:

CalhounSq said:

I am SO stealing this track list razz



well then, take the final version biggrin

Crystal Ball
Dream Factory
Rebirth Of The Flesh
Housequake
Scarlet Pussy
U Got The Look
If I Was Your Girlfriend
Strange Relationship
Bob George
Shockadelica
Witness 4 The Prosecution
Feel U Up
Good Love
Moquake
Rockhard In A Funky Place


SWEET!!! biggrin Now what the heck is Moquake?? confused
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #43 posted 03/17/03 7:46am

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CalhounSq said:


SWEET!!! biggrin Now what the heck is Moquake?? confused


The remix of Housequake.
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Reply #44 posted 03/17/03 7:52am

CalhounSq

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gooeythehamster said:

CalhounSq said:


SWEET!!! biggrin Now what the heck is Moquake?? confused


The remix of Housequake.


Let me guess - it's amazing, right? lol biggrin
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Reply #45 posted 03/17/03 7:52am

TRON

Put up your art Aaron. smile
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Reply #46 posted 03/18/03 3:07am

AaronFantastic

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TRON said:

Put up your art Aaron. smile



can't. sad it's wicked-awesome tho isn't it? biggrin
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Reply #47 posted 03/18/03 3:07am

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CalhounSq said:

gooeythehamster said:

CalhounSq said:


SWEET!!! biggrin Now what the heck is Moquake?? confused


The remix of Housequake.


Let me guess - it's amazing, right? lol biggrin



s'alright. it's more of an extended instrumental, really.
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Reply #48 posted 03/18/03 10:35am

jstar69

seriously, how do you think it would have gone if it had of been released back in tha day...personally, i think if it had of seen the light of day as one project, we would all hail it as one of princes top 3 for sure
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