unique said:

BobGeorge909 said:

OMG!!! I SOOO totally forgot that the U.S. isn't the only country in the world.

It's the same in Europe, with only slightly varying degrees of technicalities.

Dave1992 said:

Are you talking exclusively about youtube-content, though?

They can't "mess with you" in that they can successfully sue you, but your video can be taken down just the same. The same rule applies here. If you use somebody's creative content (even if it's "just" an arrangement), they have the copyright.

Yea, I was speaking strickly regarding youtube with Prince and his peeps taken down covers of his songs; But when he does a cover of somebody elses song and if one put version of his cover of that other artists song on youtube could he and his peeps still have that taken down also?

BobGeorge909 said:

OMG!!! I SOOO totally forgot that the U.S. isn't the only country in the world.

But, but, but...

Those 'Merikens are almost everywhere so why bother?

The reasons for that are hard to understand but still...

here is Prince on the subject:

This is a subject about which the new Prince, as was the old Prince, is passionate. He is an advocate for artists' rights and feels that the powerful corporations should not own aim artist's music. He talks about the compulsory license law, where anybody can take my song and sing it, against my will. I'm a writer. Stephen King is a writer. Can I take a page out of his book and call it Prince's Shining? Can I take a scene out of a movie and call it my own? They say the law, helps the writers. I don't need help; I don't need your money. Let us steward our own music.

http://princetext.tripod....ony04.html

"

But ask him if he's heard the Foo Fighters' version of ;Darling Nikki and Prince, who a minute earlier said he never listens to the radio When I want to hear new music, I go make some ), replies by describing a Hawaii DJ's response to the Foos' cover. The DJ wondered if Prince had heard it -- then said he couldn't care less if he had. Just no respect, says Prince. I wonder if that's the kind of thing the FCC would like to clean up, too.

So...does he like the cover? No! I don't like anyone covering my work. Write your own tunes! He says he got up in R&B singer Ginuwine's face for bungling the lyrics in a 1996 version of When Doves Cry. I was just busting on him to bust him, but I was a little serious: Have some respect, man. If anyone tried to cover 'Respect,' by Aretha? I would shoot them myself!

Of course, the Queen of Soul was herself covering an Otis Redding tune, ..."

http://princetext.tripod...._ew04.html

In a 2010 Billbord interview he talks about it also. But I have not been able to find that. But i tha he says that he does live covers and he not on record. But huh yeah so far it is what 6 ot 7? What he should have said was t;Out of the hundreds of songs I have released 7 were coveres

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prince b mad cuz peeps cover his songs better than he does

prince b full o shit cuz he covers songs too .. crimson and clover wild thang on lotus was pretty recent .. plus his live set is chock full o the worst cover versions ever heard

prince has the logic of an alchoholic .. none of his quotes on the subject make much sense

Astasheiks said:

Dave1992 said:

Are you talking exclusively about youtube-content, though?

They can't "mess with you" in that they can successfully sue you, but your video can be taken down just the same. The same rule applies here. If you use somebody's creative content (even if it's "just" an arrangement), they have the copyright.

Yea, I was speaking strickly regarding youtube with Prince and his peeps taken down covers of his songs; But when he does a cover of somebody elses song and if one put version of his cover of that other artists song on youtube could he and his peeps still have that taken down also?

I want to use another word or words instead of "his peeps/people" but I guess that wouldn't be Christain like so I better not!

I once asked "web Sherif" if Prince had paid them yet! Adding he is known not to pay his bills. He had no reply.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I once asked "web Sherif" if Prince had paid them yet! Adding he is known not to pay his bills. He had no reply.

Woeha! That would be the icing on the fake cake...

Fake 'sherif' for a rent-seeking construction protected by the military-industrial complex that sevices the corpororations. Literally.

no he can't..it was a cover

OnlyNDaUsa said:

here is Prince on the subject:

This is a subject about which the new Prince, as was the old Prince, is passionate. He is an advocate for artists' rights and feels that the powerful corporations should not own aim artist's music. He talks about the compulsory license law, where anybody can take my song and sing it, against my will. I'm a writer. Stephen King is a writer. Can I take a page out of his book and call it Prince's Shining? Can I take a scene out of a movie and call it my own? They say the law, helps the writers. I don't need help; I don't need your money. Let us steward our own music.

http://princetext.tripod....ony04.html

"

But ask him if he's heard the Foo Fighters' version of ;Darling Nikki and Prince, who a minute earlier said he never listens to the radio When I want to hear new music, I go make some ), replies by describing a Hawaii DJ's response to the Foos' cover. The DJ wondered if Prince had heard it -- then said he couldn't care less if he had. Just no respect, says Prince. I wonder if that's the kind of thing the FCC would like to clean up, too.

So...does he like the cover? No! I don't like anyone covering my work. Write your own tunes! He says he got up in R&B singer Ginuwine's face for bungling the lyrics in a 1996 version of When Doves Cry. I was just busting on him to bust him, but I was a little serious: Have some respect, man. If anyone tried to cover 'Respect,' by Aretha? I would shoot them myself!

Of course, the Queen of Soul was herself covering an Otis Redding tune, ..."

http://princetext.tripod...._ew04.html

In a 2010 Billbord interview he talks about it also. But I have not been able to find that. But i tha he says that he does live covers and he not on record. But huh yeah so far it is what 6 ot 7? What he should have said was t;Out of the hundreds of songs I have released 7 were coveres

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funny since his live shows are full of covers... but in the george lopez interview some years ago I remember he said he only wants his friends to do covers of his songs...they can do it..the others he's not happy about it..

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This thread is a mess.

The law says that:

- You can cover a previously released song by anyone without anyone's permission unless you make significant changes to the original song, in which case the author may prevent you from releasing it. What constitutes "significant changes" may be left to the appreciation of a judge if both parties can't agree on something.

- You can't cover an unreleased song, though (for example the cover of Extraloveable that was put on YT before P released it in 2011 was illegal, but now the same recording would be legal as long as royalties are being paid).

- You have to pay proper royalties for any broadcast, stream, release or live performance of a cover, though, therefore it can be removed from Youtube if you just put it there -whether you make money with it or you just do it for fun- without paying royalties, since YT doesn't automatically pay royalties for the content put on the website by its users (radios and TV pay royalties, but the content is aired by themselves, not external "users"). The fact that you distribute/broadcast/stream it for free doesn't mean you can escape giving money to the original author. I don't know in the US but in France even shops, malls, bars, nightclubs and restaurants have to pay royalties for the music they play.

- Covering a cover is a very odd concept, I doubt it would stand in a court of law because arrangements as such don't count as a composition and don't imply the payment of royalties. I guess it would need to be ruled by a judge on a case by case basis.

- Record companies have nothing to do with that: they own the MASTERS, i.e. the factual recordings of a song. They don't own publishing rights and can't prevent anyone, including the original artist, to rerecord the song. They don't get any money from covers eithers. Warner Bros therefore has no say in people covering When Doves Cry.

- Samples, on the other hand, need to be licensed from the owner of the original master recordings, since they involve said recording, and of course are also submitted to royalties payment to the original song's author.

- Licencing a song (in a movie for example) also involves asking permission to the master recording's owner, but not from the authors (though they will once again receive royalties).

Hope this helped