into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, shouldn't The Revolution be?

LeanderWapshot said:

into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, shouldn't The Revolution be?

This literaly laughed out loud
But my thought is no, never

callimnate said:

The Revolution were the best puppets to support a lead.

THAT'S why they were so good.

artist76 said:

callimnate said:

The Revolution were the best puppets to support a lead. THAT'S why they were so good.

This, and most of the posts on the thread "what was your reaction when you heard Revolution disbanded," confirm to me that not everyone here is a Revolution worshiper - thank god! As to the E Street Band, as far as I know, they've been around for decades, and when they weren't playing with Bruce they played with other acts too, as well as played as studio musicians as a group. So totally different than the Revolution!

Is that true? I have never heard of them outside of Bruce. Of course, certain members have fame outside of the group, definitely.

I was just thinking the other day that if The Family could still be known as The Family - hey, they would be due now too!

[Edited 12/24/13 9:13am]

DMSR:

(...)

I don't wanna be a poet
'Cuz I don't wanna blow it
I don't care to win awards
All I wanna do is dance
(Yeah)
Play music, sex, romance
And try my best to never get bored
(Oh)
If you feel alright, let me hear you scream
Yeah

(etc)

Won't happen, because Jan Wenner hasn't spent 40 years sucking Prince's dick the way he has Springsteen's.

Bruce split from the E Street Band and then reunited. Prince never reunited with The Revolution. It's one of the many things that make Prince a total azz in my book. Prince without The Revolution is bland. 1992 was bland. 1988 was bland. 2006 was bland. The only time his music was hot without The Revolution, it usually involves dusting off Revolution era tracks. And lately he can't even play that card without screwing it up. The Revolution deserves every accolade Prince himself gets, however, Prince has fukked them over so hard that they will never get proper acknowledgement from anyone except the hardcore fans that know the truth.

udo said:

DMSR:

(...)

I don't wanna be a poet
'Cuz I don't wanna blow it
I don't care to win awards
All I wanna do is dance
(Yeah)
Play music, sex, romance
And try my best to never get bored
(Oh)
If you feel alright, let me hear you scream
Yeah

(etc)

Maybe he doesn't (but of course, he's already sitting in the Hall), but that doesn't mean the Revolution wouldn't like to.

Of course, they shouldn't. And who would go in if they did? Would it be the 5 folks from Purple Rain? Anyone from the expanded, late-stage version? Dez? (Hey, he showed up on 1999, which did have the name on the album).

funksterr said:

EddieC said:

Maybe he doesn't (but of course, he's already sitting in the Hall), but that doesn't mean the Revolution wouldn't like to.

Of course, they shouldn't. And who would go in if they did? Would it be the 5 folks from Purple Rain? Anyone from the expanded, late-stage version? Dez? (Hey, he showed up on 1999, which did have the name on the album).

Interesting problem...

the new power generation is up for induction into the hof.

funksterr said:

FragileUndertow said:

LeanderWapshot said:

into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, shouldn't The Revolution be?

This literaly laughed out loud
But my thought is no, never

I have to agree. The Revolution shouldn't be inducted into the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame for doing Prince's own music. Just like all backing bands that have worked with Prince shouldn't be inducted. It just doesn't make any sense.

Surprised by all the negativity re the Revolution. Can you tell me what qualifies the E Street Band to be inducted, if not for the work they did with BS? And, aren't the Famous Flames are in the HoF? What was their noteworthy work aside from JB?

LeanderWapshot said:

Surprised by all the negativity re the Revolution. Can you tell me what qualifies the E Street Band to be inducted, if not for the work they did with BS? And, aren't the Famous Flames are in the HoF? What was their noteworthy work aside from JB?

It is their work with Springsteen--but the difference is that Springsteen's work and Springsteen's performances WITH the E Street Band are what got him there. The fact is that a large amount of Prince's work, even during the time that he was crediting the Revolution, was produced in large part by himself or with only limited contributions. I'm not negative about the Revolution, just realistic. If Prince just had his Revolution albums, I'm not sure he'd be in--his place there was earned over a longer period than the three years he shared with them--the biggest songs of which didn't even always feature them. The connection over decades between Springsteen and the E Street Band (and with the audience that cares about them) is a completely different animal than Prince's connection with any of his bands. They're not being recognized for work separate from Springsteen--but even Springsteen (maybe Springsteen more than anyone else) would want them there, and might very well have preferred that they were included in his induction (they are not being inducted as members, by the way--they are receiving the Award for Musical Excellence. The Hall webpage says that category "honors those musicians, producers and others who have spent their careers out of the spotlight working with major artists on various parts of their recording and live careers. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee selects the inductees in this category. (Please note that in 2011, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Award for Musical Excellence has replaced the Sidemen category.)" But part of what happened to get them in now is that they had some deaths, primarily Clarence Clemons, so the old E Street Band (that people have a strong emotional connection to) is being eulogized here.

The Famous Flames were inducted as Performers (which is the standard induction category). Strange, honestly, since they seem to have only meant the vocalists, not the instrumentalists (they're very clear about this on the site), and frankly, I don't think they really have a case for being there (if the band were included, I might feel differently). My guess is they made it because they got nominated, and people just kind of got swept up in wanting to recognize the general contribution of James Brown, and because they were tied to him, they got in. Beats me. Perhaps I fail to appreciate the spectacle of a James Brown show--I've never been horribly interested in choreography, and I never saw them perform (I've just seen isolated clips).

The fact is, if Prince didn't isolate himself from the Revolution, if he occasionally worked with them, spoke of them, gave them props--maybe they'd have a chance. But he really doesn't. He could have had them show for a tune when he was inducted. He didn't.

I love the Revolution. But the decades of collaboration with the E Street Band (and all the recorded work that resulted from that) far outstrips the actual definite contributions of the Revolution to rock history. I'm not a Springsteen fan, but that seems obvious to me.

EddieC said:

LeanderWapshot said:

Surprised by all the negativity re the Revolution. Can you tell me what qualifies the E Street Band to be inducted, if not for the work they did with BS? And, aren't the Famous Flames are in the HoF? What was their noteworthy work aside from JB?

It is their work with Springsteen--but the difference is that Springsteen's work and Springsteen's performances WITH the E Street Band are what got him there. The fact is that a large amount of Prince's work, even during the time that he was crediting the Revolution, was produced in large part by himself or with only limited contributions. I'm not negative about the Revolution, just realistic. If Prince just had his Revolution albums, I'm not sure he'd be in--his place there was earned over a longer period than the three years he shared with them--the biggest songs of which didn't even always feature them. The connection over decades between Springsteen and the E Street Band (and with the audience that cares about them) is a completely different animal than Prince's connection with any of his bands. They're not being recognized for work separate from Springsteen--but even Springsteen (maybe Springsteen more than anyone else) would want them there, and might very well have preferred that they were included in his induction (they are not being inducted as members, by the way--they are receiving the Award for Musical Excellence. The Hall webpage says that category "honors those musicians, producers and others who have spent their careers out of the spotlight working with major artists on various parts of their recording and live careers. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee selects the inductees in this category. (Please note that in 2011, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Award for Musical Excellence has replaced the Sidemen category.)" But part of what happened to get them in now is that they had some deaths, primarily Clarence Clemons, so the old E Street Band (that people have a strong emotional connection to) is being eulogized here.

The Famous Flames were inducted as Performers (which is the standard induction category). Strange, honestly, since they seem to have only meant the vocalists, not the instrumentalists (they're very clear about this on the site), and frankly, I don't think they really have a case for being there (if the band were included, I might feel differently). My guess is they made it because they got nominated, and people just kind of got swept up in wanting to recognize the general contribution of James Brown, and because they were tied to him, they got in. Beats me. Perhaps I fail to appreciate the spectacle of a James Brown show--I've never been horribly interested in choreography, and I never saw them perform (I've just seen isolated clips).

The fact is, if Prince didn't isolate himself from the Revolution, if he occasionally worked with them, spoke of them, gave them props--maybe they'd have a chance. But he really doesn't. He could have had them show for a tune when he was inducted. He didn't.

I love the Revolution. But the decades of collaboration with the E Street Band (and all the recorded work that resulted from that) far outstrips the actual definite contributions of the Revolution to rock history. I'm not a Springsteen fan, but that seems obvious to me.

I'll disagree with you to this extent. Prince's best work was during the 80s and I'm not sure Prince-- as protean a talent as he is-- would himself be held in the regard he is if he'd never met Wendy and Lisa. His decline is distinctly marked by the disbanding of the Revolution. His songwriting went way down after that. It's almost totally uninteresting now.

[Edited 12/30/13 7:58am]

Jamzone333 said:

FragileUndertow said:

This literaly laughed out loud
But my thought is no, never

I have to agree. The Revolution shouldn't be inducted into the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame for doing Prince's own music. Just like all backing bands that have worked with Prince shouldn't be inducted. It just doesn't make any sense.

I maintain that Prince was doing Prince-Wendy-Lisa music during that time. They weren't just a touring band by any means. Can you really say that Prince's music since that time has been as challenging or interesting since he broke up the band? He suffers from a severe lack of muses and collaborators now.

LeanderWapshot said:

EddieC said:

It is their work with Springsteen--but the difference is that Springsteen's work and Springsteen's performances WITH the E Street Band are what got him there. The fact is that a large amount of Prince's work, even during the time that he was crediting the Revolution, was produced in large part by himself or with only limited contributions. I'm not negative about the Revolution, just realistic. If Prince just had his Revolution albums, I'm not sure he'd be in--his place there was earned over a longer period than the three years he shared with them--the biggest songs of which didn't even always feature them. The connection over decades between Springsteen and the E Street Band (and with the audience that cares about them) is a completely different animal than Prince's connection with any of his bands. They're not being recognized for work separate from Springsteen--but even Springsteen (maybe Springsteen more than anyone else) would want them there, and might very well have preferred that they were included in his induction (they are not being inducted as members, by the way--they are receiving the Award for Musical Excellence. The Hall webpage says that category "honors those musicians, producers and others who have spent their careers out of the spotlight working with major artists on various parts of their recording and live careers. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee selects the inductees in this category. (Please note that in 2011, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Award for Musical Excellence has replaced the Sidemen category.)" But part of what happened to get them in now is that they had some deaths, primarily Clarence Clemons, so the old E Street Band (that people have a strong emotional connection to) is being eulogized here.

The Famous Flames were inducted as Performers (which is the standard induction category). Strange, honestly, since they seem to have only meant the vocalists, not the instrumentalists (they're very clear about this on the site), and frankly, I don't think they really have a case for being there (if the band were included, I might feel differently). My guess is they made it because they got nominated, and people just kind of got swept up in wanting to recognize the general contribution of James Brown, and because they were tied to him, they got in. Beats me. Perhaps I fail to appreciate the spectacle of a James Brown show--I've never been horribly interested in choreography, and I never saw them perform (I've just seen isolated clips).

The fact is, if Prince didn't isolate himself from the Revolution, if he occasionally worked with them, spoke of them, gave them props--maybe they'd have a chance. But he really doesn't. He could have had them show for a tune when he was inducted. He didn't.

I love the Revolution. But the decades of collaboration with the E Street Band (and all the recorded work that resulted from that) far outstrips the actual definite contributions of the Revolution to rock history. I'm not a Springsteen fan, but that seems obvious to me.

I'll disagree with you to this extent. Prince's best work was during the 80s and I'm not sure Prince-- as protean a talent as he is-- would himself be held in the regard he is if he'd never met Wendy and Lisa. His decline is distinctly marked by the disbanding of the Revolution. His songwriting went way down after that. It's almost totally uninteresting now.

[Edited 12/30/13 7:58am]

Oh, he wouldn't have done what he did without the influence of the Revolution--I agree completely with that. But as we moved into the Sign and Lovesexy periods (which I consider as strong) quite a bit of the stronger material does not involve the core Revolution in clearly-defined ways. And how important anyone besides Wendy and Lisa were seems up for debate even on the "Revolution" albums.

But I also think if Prince had just done the three "Revolution" albums, he wouldn't be in the Hall. And I think he had periods (particularly the mid-90's) that were nearly as strong.

LeanderWapshot said:

Jamzone333 said:

I have to agree. The Revolution shouldn't be inducted into the Rock and Rock Hall of Fame for doing Prince's own music. Just like all backing bands that have worked with Prince shouldn't be inducted. It just doesn't make any sense.

I maintain that Prince was doing Prince-Wendy-Lisa music during that time. They weren't just a touring band by any means. Can you really say that Prince's music since that time has been as challenging or interesting since he broke up the band? He suffers from a severe lack of muses and collaborators now.

Really? Which songs do you have in mind?