A thread to ponder, as I have come to.

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Prince's "life story" is one centred and revolving around pain; the pain of being abandoned not only by his father at a formative stage, but by his very own mother, too; the pain of not fitting into mainstream society as a growing boy ("small". "sensitive", "shy", "creative") or for adult "men" to present as being ("effeminate"); the pain of not being able to feel loved and to trust his own love in return (without recourse to painstaking control) due to the understandably rooted, deeply held and largely unconscious fear of his earliest, most signficant, abandonment(s) repeating themselves ("It's Gonna Be Lonely", "Lady Cab Driver", "The Beautiful Ones", "Computer Blue", the list is endless, right up until his present psychic projections - if you listen closely, there is no resolve); and finally, perhaps the ultimate pain of not behaving in accordance with a loving/rejecting God, which appears to trigger Prince's core issue with abandonment (see the ending of "The Ladder" or the deep conflict in "Anna Stesia"). Will God reject him, too? Or will he be saved?

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Whilst, of course, none of us can change the course of history, we can nonetheless change our "perceptions" (our thoughts, feelings, and therefore, our behaviours) through our own psychological development. So, as far as anyone can wish peace to another human spirit from afar, I think most of us would wish it were so for him. I am aware that Prince's parent were unable to provide a loving, safe and positive home life. I am aware that he spent much of his life as a young boy alienated and disenfranchised, not only from his own family base, but also from society growing up. And I am aware that he spent his early youth roaming the streets, escaping in the safety valve of his own "music" and "performance", trying to survive his seemingly insurmountable predicament. I wish it were not the case that he learned that a protective wall was needed to prevent him from all that core pain. But I can see that is probably not the case and I can understand why. Trust - "Who can you trust, if you can't trust God?" he once mused.

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Whilst many of Prince's songs can be understandably thought to centre around women, they also deal with this core projected pain of abandonment, both as an anticipation/expectation of his deepest fears (after all, his mother abandoned him) and as a coping mechanism for when life/God presents the inevitable difficult trials and tribulations that it does and has (the dissolution within his original parental family, the separations within his surrogate musical families (every "band" he has ever had, but most notably The Revolution, and at a systemic level, Warner Brothers), the ending of his marriages, the distance from his fans and eventually, one might predict the divorce from his own past, his own music, and his own legacy. He already "left" the identity of Prince once, after all. As one might see, the endless, dysfunctional and repeating pattern of attachment and separation centres around the core issue of wishing to be unconditionally "loved" and the subsequent strategies of control to avoid the deeply held, projected and unconscious fear of abandonment.

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One day, of course, he will learn to love himself, at his deepest, and most vulnerable, core. The music will surely follow, as will his peace. But at this stage of his career and life, I would rather it were his peace, than any more music.

[Edited 12/12/13 6:00am]

I can certainly empathize & relate to the serious pain & rejection from parents. I endured emotional abuse, sexual abuse (stepfather) & serious betrayal issues to boot. Seriously evil & dysfunctional family life.

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It's God alone Who has never hurt me, rejected me or forsaken me. He is forever faithful & I trust Him fully. GOD IS MUCH BIGGER THAN ALL THE PAIN, EVIL & DYSFUNCTION!

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Praying for healing all around.

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[Edited 12/12/13 13:03pm]

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"You should know by now that we wouldn't hurt you. We're not out to put a dark cloud over your head."

I'm not sure the notion that Prince was "abandonded" by either of his parents is accurate. I think the premise has been blown out of proportion by those that have have tried to explain Prince's at times odd behaviors. In America, a large number of parents divorce eventually. The divorce rate is higher if those parents are black. Prince did not have an unusual upbringing in the sense that his parents divorced and he bounced between them a few times or chose a relatives house as a teen. That was par for the course for a lot of the population. Divorce, in and of itself does not really explain his "protective wall". My experience in life, in terms of the various personalities I've met and what I've learned about their childhood, leads me to think the issue is rooted in child abuse. I don't think Prince has written anything about that except Papa and Sister.

Oh dear, when I opened this thread, I immediately thought OP's been reading too much LSA and was gonna close it, but I decided to give the essay a quick skim-through and saw this:

"and finally, perhaps the ultimate pain of not behaving in accordance with a loving/rejecting God, "

which reminded me of some interview, either with Prince himself or Larry Graham, where he likens himself to King David regarding the death of his week-old son. (I am not making this up, though I don't remember the source anymore, but it was not from a rumor site - it's too tenuous and odd-ball a connection to be made up).

So David "seduces" (rapes?) Bathsheba, who is already married, and knocks her up, so he gets rid of the husband. Then he marries her. Prophet Nathan rebukes David and says God will punish him with three things - There will forever be turmoil in his family (one of his sons rapes his daughter); someone close to him will commit adultery with his wives (Bathsheba was from David's own tribe, and was the granddaughter of his closest advisor; his son Absalom, who leads an insurrection against him, has sex with 10 of his wives in public); and his and Bathsheba's son will die. The baby dies one week after birth from a "sickness."

Anyway, The "miserere" psalm 51 is supposed to be about this, where he repents and says, "do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit away from me."

If he thinks there are parallels between himself and King David, perhaps that's why he has no children, and yes, he has issues...

funksterr said:

I'm not sure the notion that Prince was "abandonded" by either of his parents is accurate. I think the premise has been blown out of proportion by those that have have tried to explain Prince's at times odd behaviors. In America, a large number of parents divorce eventually. The divorce rate is higher if those parents are black. Prince did not have an unusual upbringing in the sense that his parents divorced and he bounced between them a few times or chose a relatives house as a teen. That was par for the course for a lot of the population. Divorce, in and of itself does not really explain his "protective wall". My experience in life, in terms of the various personalities I've met and what I've learned about their childhood, leads me to think the issue is rooted in child abuse. I don't think Prince has written anything about that except Papa and Sister.

Have you listened to the lyrics of Papa? To get that close to telling the truth of his own upbringing(if that is indeed the truth) with the world at large, is a huge revelation. There are also many interviews by Prince stating how he was treated by his family as a kid. You sound like someone who has never experienced divorce yourself. If you had, you would know that it most certainly would have contributed to his "protective wall". Just because divorce and bouncing around between family members might be "par for the course for a lot of the population", doesn't mean it doesn't alter the direction of ones' life in major ways FOREVER. I had this gf once who told me(a child of divorce) that she(whose parents are still happily married to this day) that "there is absolutely no difference between being raised by a single parent vs. two." I immediately replied "How the hell would you know?" She said "Oh, I guess you're right". In the battle between compassion and ego, ego will always win out I suppose. I just wish that ill-informed dumbasses like her and you would just already. Anywhoo, Happy Holidays!!

SpiritOtter said:

A thread to ponder, as I have come to.

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Prince's "life story" is one centred and revolving around pain; the pain of being abandoned not only by his father at a formative stage, but by his very own mother, too; the pain of not fitting into mainstream society as a growing boy ("small". "sensitive", "shy", "creative") or for adult "men" to present as being ("effeminate"); the pain of not being able to feel loved and to trust his own love in return (without recourse to painstaking control) due to the understandably rooted, deeply held and largely unconscious fear of his earliest, most signficant, abandonment(s) repeating themselves ("It's Gonna Be Lonely", "Lady Cab Driver", "The Beautiful Ones", "Computer Blue", the list is endless, right up until his present psychic projections - if you listen closely, there is no resolve); and finally, perhaps the ultimate pain of not behaving in accordance with a loving/rejecting God, which appears to trigger Prince's core issue with abandonment (see the ending of "The Ladder" or the deep conflict in "Anna Stesia"). Will God reject him, too? Or will he be saved?

*

Whilst, of course, none of us can change the course of history, we can nonetheless change our "perceptions" (our thoughts, feelings, and therefore, our behaviours) through our own psychological development. So, as far as anyone can wish peace to another human spirit from afar, I think most of us would wish it were so for him. I am aware that Prince's parent were unable to provide a loving, safe and positive home life. I am aware that he spent much of his life as a young boy alienated and disenfranchised, not only from his own family base, but also from society growing up. And I am aware that he spent his early youth roaming the streets, escaping in the safety valve of his own "music" and "performance", trying to survive his seemingly insurmountable predicament. I wish it were not the case that he learned that a protective wall was needed to prevent him from all that core pain. But I can see that is probably not the case and I can understand why. Trust - "Who can you trust, if you can't trust God?" he once mused.

*

Whilst many of Prince's songs can be understandably thought to centre around women, they also deal with this core projected pain of abandonment, both as an anticipation/expectation of his deepest fears (after all, his mother abandoned him) and as a coping mechanism for when life/God presents the inevitable difficult trials and tribulations that it does and has (the dissolution within his original parental family, the separations within his surrogate musical families (every "band" he has ever had, but most notably The Revolution, and at a systemic level, Warner Brothers), the ending of his marriages, the distance from his fans and eventually, one might predict the divorce from his own past, his own music, and his own legacy. He already "left" the identity of Prince once, after all. As one might see, the endless, dysfunctional and repeating pattern of attachment and separation centres around the core issue of wishing to be unconditionally "loved" and the subsequent strategies of control to avoid the deeply held, projected and unconscious fear of abandonment.

*

One day, of course, he will learn to love himself, at his deepest, and most vulnerable, core. The music will surely follow, as will his peace. But at this stage of his career and life, I would rather it were his peace, than any more music.

[Edited 12/12/13 6:00am]

SpiritOtter said:

A thread to ponder, as I have come to.

*

Prince's "life story" is one centred and revolving around pain; the pain of being abandoned not only by his father at a formative stage, but by his very own mother, too; the pain of not fitting into mainstream society as a growing boy ("small". "sensitive", "shy", "creative") or for adult "men" to present as being ("effeminate"); the pain of not being able to feel loved and to trust his own love in return (without recourse to painstaking control) due to the understandably rooted, deeply held and largely unconscious fear of his earliest, most signficant, abandonment(s) repeating themselves ("It's Gonna Be Lonely", "Lady Cab Driver", "The Beautiful Ones", "Computer Blue", the list is endless, right up until his present psychic projections - if you listen closely, there is no resolve); and finally, perhaps the ultimate pain of not behaving in accordance with a loving/rejecting God, which appears to trigger Prince's core issue with abandonment (see the ending of "The Ladder" or the deep conflict in "Anna Stesia"). Will God reject him, too? Or will he be saved?

*

Whilst, of course, none of us can change the course of history, we can nonetheless change our "perceptions" (our thoughts, feelings, and therefore, our behaviours) through our own psychological development. So, as far as anyone can wish peace to another human spirit from afar, I think most of us would wish it were so for him. I am aware that Prince's parent were unable to provide a loving, safe and positive home life. I am aware that he spent much of his life as a young boy alienated and disenfranchised, not only from his own family base, but also from society growing up. And I am aware that he spent his early youth roaming the streets, escaping in the safety valve of his own "music" and "performance", trying to survive his seemingly insurmountable predicament. I wish it were not the case that he learned that a protective wall was needed to prevent him from all that core pain. But I can see that is probably not the case and I can understand why. Trust - "Who can you trust, if you can't trust God?" he once mused.

*

Whilst many of Prince's songs can be understandably thought to centre around women, they also deal with this core projected pain of abandonment, both as an anticipation/expectation of his deepest fears (after all, his mother abandoned him) and as a coping mechanism for when life/God presents the inevitable difficult trials and tribulations that it does and has (the dissolution within his original parental family, the separations within his surrogate musical families (every "band" he has ever had, but most notably The Revolution, and at a systemic level, Warner Brothers), the ending of his marriages, the distance from his fans and eventually, one might predict the divorce from his own past, his own music, and his own legacy. He already "left" the identity of Prince once, after all. As one might see, the endless, dysfunctional and repeating pattern of attachment and separation centres around the core issue of wishing to be unconditionally "loved" and the subsequent strategies of control to avoid the deeply held, projected and unconscious fear of abandonment.

*

One day, of course, he will learn to love himself, at his deepest, and most vulnerable, core. The music will surely follow, as will his peace. But at this stage of his career and life, I would rather it were his peace, than any more music.

[Edited 12/12/13 6:00am]

Why can't I orgnote u or see ur profile?

databank said:

databank said:

danzakairos said:

databank said:

Why can't I orgnote u or see ur profile?

What?

databank said:

danzakairos said:

databank said:

What?

I just did.

udo said:

databank said:

What?

I just did.

Are y'all tryin' to drive me insane?

I've been exchanging interesting orgnotes with Spirit for the last two hours, databank. You should contact the mods or check your internet connection.

Javi said:

I've been exchanging interesting orgnotes with Spirit for the last two hours, databank. You should contact the mods or check your internet connection.

I can see everyone's profile and orgnote anyone BUT my buddy Spirit, so it's not my connection.

It's weird

Spirit can u see my profile or orgnote me?

iZsaZsa said:

It's not just you. I see no profile and there is no longer an otter avatar in place.

This means either banned or account deleted, doesn't it?

It's not like Spirit to disappear suddenly like that, and I can't c why in the world he'd have been banned!

Could it be his account has been hacked?

Any modz in the house?

iZsaZsa said:

It's not just you. I see no profile and there is no longer an otter avatar in place.

Indeed.

I see only one explanation: Sassey has made a deal with Bill Gates and the CIA to counteract all the Prince secret agents infiltrated on this site and our accounts are gonna be hacked and shut down one after the other. We're DOOMED

aw come on now .. in this case i think sassey would be on spirits side .. perhaps u should looke behind the oz machine and see who is running things

TrevorAyer said:

aw come on now .. in this case i think sassey would be on spirits side .. perhaps u should looke behind the oz machine and see who is running things

Well, she just wrote a few days ago on that other website that SpiritOtter among others here (namely myself, luv4u, HonestMan13, wonder505, 2elijah, Genesia, GoldenParachute, KCOOLMUSIQ, XxAxX and RodeoSchro) are mean, corrupt, ass-kissing minions, cyber bullying troublemakers who will attack and/or ban anyone who posts the truth about Prince and are being paid by him to infiltrate Prince.org (and I quote every damn word!), so I doubt she carries poor SpiritOtter very much in her heart anyway

+ Spirit and I are pals so no need to try and turn us against each other

As for the Oz machine I have no damn clue what u're talking about

Now let's ignore each other as I suggested, please

What is this 'other website'?

[Edited 12/14/13 8:20am]

since u and spirit are 'pals' maybe you should pm him and see why he got banned .. if he says sassey banned him then maybe you have a point .. but it seems more likely it was someone who runs the org that banned him AND sassey .. the real question is why

[Edited 12/14/13 8:29am]

What would the effects on the site be if they would delete their own account?

thisisreece said:

What is this 'other website'?

[Edited 12/14/13 8:20am]

Not allowed to post links as per mods request

udo said:

What would the effects on the site be if they would delete their own account?

U're so cryptic today

If whom deleted their own account?

databank said:

udo said:

What would the effects on the site be if they would delete their own account?

U're so cryptic today

If whom deleted their own account?

SpiritOtter is the subject now because their profile has vanished.

Could this be epxlained by deletion (by user, by mods, by heavy particles, etc) ?