Moonbeam said:

I understand the 'backlash' effect. It's understandable if you're in a minority that you will usually be made to feel that way. Sometimes, the key is to hold your ground.

That one of Prince's least successful albums can have enough quality material to sound like a greatest hits compilation from a fairly talented group who had a 10-year run is both its biggest asset and its biggest failing.

But when I pick up an album in a record store I'm looking for a novel, not a collection of unrelated short stories. The project as a whole comes across as much more targeted than inspired.

But to leave on a positive note: "I Love U, But I Don't Trust You Anymore" is about as emotional and heartfelt as it gets. He's exorcising demons on that one. The songwriting excellence would fit right in on "SOTT". Truly a gem that got lost in this non-cohesive ode to "Diamonds and Pearls".

May he never jump into a tight fitting blue body suit again.

Moonbeam said:

People who attack others for what they like are suffering from a severe case of low self-esteem.

I actually love to hear from people that are enthusiastic about things that I'm not because it will often force me to go back and re-listen and reconsider, or at the very least think critically enough to try and understand where they're coming from.

Brendan said:

Bravo Brendon!!

I also find "I Love U" to be one of Prince's most heartfelt and sincere songs...a masterpiece compared to all of the other songs on Rave.

I,like Anji,have never understood the disdain for Silly Game.It has such a cool,sophisticated quality about it.

"Now why you wanna go and do that,love?"...Gorgeous.

Well, anji, that's your opinion and I respect it.

I see 'Rave' as a conciously crafted pop album, nothing too outstanding on there, some good spots, some bad spots, like all pop albums.
Infact, I don't even look at it as a 'Prince' album, I look at it as a pop album.
If you look at it as a 'Prince' album you're gonna be disapointed, but if you look at it as your typical pop album, it ain't too bad.

lovebizzare said:

Hmmm...this type of 'conciously crafted' POP music I prefer anyday over any other...

lovebizzare said:

It's funny the lengths a fan will go to, to make an album seem acceptable. I suffer from this disorder when I make threads like this...

Brendan said:

I will often argue a case I don't necessarily believe in, to open my mind to perspectives I hadn't bargained for. An example of this was my Newpower Soul thread where I tried to suggest the material was Prince-worthy. The opinions, especially Teller's, made me think of the album in an entirely different light.

So I guess I'm alone thinking I Love You But I Don't Trust You Anymore does not sound heartfelt. Maybe I should listen to it again...

Anji said:

you dont feel that? damn

s'okay.

rdhull said:

Not yet.

The vocals have always sounded cold and insincere, to me. I was surprised given the lyrics appear to carry meaning, but not surprised in the context of the album.

Anji said:

I dont see how..he aches on this song and the melody and the words..this is better than How Come You Dont Call Me etc.

'Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic, the album, is about...'


... 70 minutes.

Moonbeam said:

I wouldn't say that "it has become trendy to hate this album." This album has been hated by a large number of fans since its release.

rdhull said:

The lyrics of ILYBIDTYA carry more weight but the delivery of How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore sounds more honest to me.

Anji said:

Anji...Anj...

Anji said:

so you sayin' I suffer from this disorder too?

rdhull said:

I know, I know. It's a shame I can't feel it. It just sounds made up to me. I do like the song but with those lyrics, it could have sounded more emotional.

lovebizzare said:

From your description of how you perceive Rave, it would appear so.


[This message was edited Sat Mar 15 21:21:57 PST 2003 by Anji]

Anji said:

damn, what do you want? blood?

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[This message was edited Sat Mar 15 21:23:15 PST 2003 by rdhull]

AaronFantastic said:

I have never hated it but it didn't live upto his usually excellent standard for commerical efforts. Diamonds & Pearls, for example, is inspired pop. Rave, as an album, doesn't match or better those standards. In fact, it doesn't even come close...

rdhull said:

I want Power Fantastic when I hear this song but instead, I'm left with I Can't Make You Love Me. I feel shortchanged...

I thought Rave was like a Diamonds and Pearls type of release. A nice little smooth pop release

rdhull said:

Rave aspires to be, but Diamonds & Pearls is classic pop.

AaronFantastic said:

The fact that I'm about the only one to consistently defend this album says that it HAS become trendy to hate it. At the time of release, a LOT of people liked it. I remember reading people's initial responses on the old org. But Prince fans are fickle as always.

Anji said:

Rave is a LOT better than Diamonds and Pearls, in my opinion.

Moonbeam said:

Gett Off vs Baby Knows?

Anji said:

You only say that because it was one of the golden era of Prince releases..but I feel you becasue even crap like D&P has a place in my hot because it was back then


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[This message was edited Sat Mar 15 22:06:58 PST 2003 by rdhull]

Anji said:

I like Gett Off more, but that's not a fair comparison.

If I pit Gett Off or any song on Diamonds and Pearls against "Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic," it would lose.