djThunderfunk said:

Only Prince "fans"....

...are obsessed enough to hang on long after their love for the artists' music has dissapated for no other reason than to come here every day to talk about how he sucks now and how those that don't see it have no taste in music.

It's a disease. Let's call it the BVH disease.

You've all got the BVH! Get away from me, it's viral!!!

NouveauDance said:

trax said:

Give him time. He is trying hard to get an album we will like. He keeps releasing singles but noone likes them. Thats probably the delay. He is trying to please his fans but no matter what he does he can't.

Comedy gold, right here.

VERY true, indeed!!!!

funkaholic1972 said:

If I look back in all honesty to the albums last 15 or 20 years he'd probably just get off that toilet. I've tried to like all of them, but these albums are all flawed for a variety of reasons.

Some of them have poor production, others are too derivative of his own style without bringing in new elements, or are derivative of the style of other artists. Lots of them have poor songwriting, and even poorer lyrics. The best thing he has done was TRC in my opinion, that's the only one that came close to his 80's glory. Its the one album where it is clear that he put in a lot of effort and where he sounded like he wasn't compromising himself in the hope of a "hit". All the other albums sounded either forced or boring, with maybe one or two songs that were OK or good.

Even the best of the 2013 downloads are just "OK" songs, somewhat fun to listen to for a few times but they don't really add something new or exciting to his catalogue. And taken away from the context of an album you get bored extra quick with them, cuz you tend to play the song over and over until it is played "dead".

I believe that only working with a good producer could result in an interesting new Prince album, all Prince can do himself these days seemingly is deliver weaker "copies" of songs he has already released before.

I've said every last bit of this over some threads this year, & all I got was shit talked back to me by Prince worshipers. I agree with everything, except TRC being good.....I still find it hard to get through that album. I've only sat through it twice....couldn't wait for it to end both times.

nursev said:

Marrk said:

Prince is pretty clueless these days . He's currently surrounded by yes men (and women) lining their own pockets from his tours, and so-called deals. I have no doubt about it. He's divorced from reality, has been a long time. He's an easy mark, he's vulnerable and in all likelihood being taken advantage of. I absolutely guarantee it'll all end in tears.

[Edited 12/6/13 17:02pm]

Damn, he's not that far gone

Yeah, he is.

djThunderfunk said:

Only Prince "fans"....

...are obsessed enough to hang on long after their love for the artists' music has dissapated for no other reason than to come here every day to talk about how he sucks now and how those that don't see it have no taste in music.

It's a disease. Let's call it the BVH disease.

You've all got the BVH! Get away from me, it's viral!!!

Ugh....too easy. Nevermind.

[Edited 12/7/13 22:04pm]

If he ever gets to shit, his shit better be good shit.

Maybe I have a hit tip:

With the current economic environment there's stil la tiny bit of time left to craft this new song called '1929', p...ong '1999'.

Of course we don't want 'new master' versions but we know he can do a proper job of this already historic song.

Genesia said:

at people who think Prince gives even half a shit about what they think.

Yeah, it's not like his official website once rules that "reviews don't matter", only to promote a positive review mere days later.

And it's not like Prince once released a single where the artwork consisted of positive reviews.

It's not like Prince has banned reporters from PP for daring to write critical articles.

It's not like he's ripped and burned negative reviews onstage during concerts.

It's not like Prince's official website censored posts that criticized him.

Oh wait, he did all of that.

datdude said:

damn, REALLY. so if its not PERFECTION its not worth putting out? Lotus was garbage? 3121 too?

Yup. Not even mediocre, but actual rubbish that tarnishes his reputation.

Oh, and the post you're replying to said nothing about perfection.

Are u kidding! Man, he did set the bar too high then, because just off the top, and i love TRC too, these are 3 keepers from the last decade or so.

No they're not. Even Prince thinks they're crap, hence he never played most of them in concert. Hell, he can't even be arsed to release some of his recent music worldwide, that's how shit it is.

ppl have their own tastes, but MFs kill me making dude seem like an f'ing SCRUB because each album isn't as immaculate as PR.

Again you're making up stuff.

There's plenty of ways Prince could be relevant, but him rehashing the same lame crap over and over again isn't going to do it. As has been proven over and over again.

therat said:

I've searched all over the Kobalt music website and prince is not on it anywhere except in the news section about the press-release that he had signed with kobalt. He's not even listed on the roster.

I've noticed that Prince signed with Kobalt on may 31 2013 and there is nothing on that site about a release date, progress on recording or single titles. Nothing.

I've noticed that Boy George signed with Kobalt on Aug 2013 and released a album on Oct 2013. It's time for Prince to shit.

It's clear that Prince doesn't like doing things the "normal" way anymore for the fans,it's really frustrating.A new album might be released in 2014,or he could cancel those plans tomorrow and not even make an official statement about it,lol.This is what it's like to be a Prince fan in 2013.

Just continue to collect the songs that he randomly releases these days and wait patiently for an album to arrive someday.

he's really not doing anything so UNPrince...

Tittypants said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people having their own views but the fact that haters such as Bart are STILL here after all these years is simply amazing. If you people hate Prince so much then why do you still devote any time to him or discussing him on sites like this? It simply doesn't make any sense. Face facts:

1. You don't like Prince anymore

2. Most of you haven't liked Prince since around the mid-90s

3. That is a long time to still continue bitching about him

4. Get over it. Go away and enjoy your life and stop focusing so much energy on something that no longer adds anything positive to your life!

Now as for providing fair critique and not have discussions hijacked by those drinking purple koolade - OF COURSE PRINCE ISN'T AS GOOD AS HE USED TO BE!

He is a man in is mid 50s and like MOST artists he hit his artistic high in his mid-late 20s/early 30s. This is (perhaps with a few exceptions) pretty much par for the course. There are very few (if any) artists who still have a career 35 years on from their debut that are as good as they were...

You telling me the solo work of Paul McCartney is any patch on the Beatles work (produced during his 20s). What about the Rolling Stones? Bowie? Stevie Wonder? Come on name me an artist with a 35 year career who is still reaching the same artistic highs?

It simply isn't possible for any artist to maintain the level of musical progression that Prince did between 1980-1988 (or arguably 1994/5). All of the most popular artists have their moment in the spotlight - sometimes their artistic high coincides with the social zeitgeist as happened with Prince in the 80s. Expecting Prince to ever achieve this again is stupid!

Certainly none of his albums IMHO since leaving Warner Bros have ever reached those highs. However, I would argue that every album has always had at least one song (often more) that are as good as any of his best stuff. He still has the ability to produce good songs but has always lacked the ability to edit himself - something done by WB.

In fact having said this I would argue that even during his artistic heyday there was at least one song on each album that was not great (again my opinion but there are certainly songs I skip even on the GREAT albums).

Just my two cents!

luvsexy4all said:

he's really not doing anything so UNPrince...

true

jaypotton said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people having their own views but the fact that haters such as Bart are STILL here after all these years is simply amazing. If you people hate Prince so much then why do you still devote any time to him or discussing him on sites like this? It simply doesn't make any sense. Face facts:

1. You don't like Prince anymore

2. Most of you haven't liked Prince since around the mid-90s

3. That is a long time to still continue bitching about him

4. Get over it. Go away and enjoy your life and stop focusing so much energy on something that no longer adds anything positive to your life!

Now as for providing fair critique and not have discussions hijacked by those drinking purple koolade - OF COURSE PRINCE ISN'T AS GOOD AS HE USED TO BE!

He is a man in is mid 50s and like MOST artists he hit his artistic high in his mid-late 20s/early 30s. This is (perhaps with a few exceptions) pretty much par for the course. There are very few (if any) artists who still have a career 35 years on from their debut that are as good as they were...

You telling me the solo work of Paul McCartney is any patch on the Beatles work (produced during his 20s). What about the Rolling Stones? Bowie? Stevie Wonder? Come on name me an artist with a 35 year career who is still reaching the same artistic highs?

It simply isn't possible for any artist to maintain the level of musical progression that Prince did between 1980-1988 (or arguably 1994/5). All of the most popular artists have their moment in the spotlight - sometimes their artistic high coincides with the social zeitgeist as happened with Prince in the 80s. Expecting Prince to ever achieve this again is stupid!

Certainly none of his albums IMHO since leaving Warner Bros have ever reached those highs. However, I would argue that every album has always had at least one song (often more) that are as good as any of his best stuff. He still has the ability to produce good songs but has always lacked the ability to edit himself - something done by WB.

In fact having said this I would argue that even during his artistic heyday there was at least one song on each album that was not great (again my opinion but there are certainly songs I skip even on the GREAT albums).

Just my two cents!

I couldn't agree more!

jaypotton said:

1. You don't like Prince anymore

2. Most of you haven't liked Prince since around the mid-90s

3. That is a long time to still continue bitching about him

4. Get over it. Go away and enjoy your life and stop focusing so much energy on something that no longer adds anything positive to your life!

Now as for providing fair critique and not have discussions hijacked by those drinking purple koolade - OF COURSE PRINCE ISN'T AS GOOD AS HE USED TO BE!

He is a man in is mid 50s and like MOST artists he hit his artistic high in his mid-late 20s/early 30s. This is (perhaps with a few exceptions) pretty much par for the course. There are very few (if any) artists who still have a career 35 years on from their debut that are as good as they were...

You telling me the solo work of Paul McCartney is any patch on the Beatles work (produced during his 20s). What about the Rolling Stones? Bowie? Stevie Wonder? Come on name me an artist with a 35 year career who is still reaching the same artistic highs?

It simply isn't possible for any artist to maintain the level of musical progression that Prince did between 1980-1988 (or arguably 1994/5). All of the most popular artists have their moment in the spotlight - sometimes their artistic high coincides with the social zeitgeist as happened with Prince in the 80s. Expecting Prince to ever achieve this again is stupid!

Certainly none of his albums IMHO since leaving Warner Bros have ever reached those highs. However, I would argue that every album has always had at least one song (often more) that are as good as any of his best stuff. He still has the ability to produce good songs but has always lacked the ability to edit himself - something done by WB.

In fact having said this I would argue that even during his artistic heyday there was at least one song on each album that was not great (again my opinion but there are certainly songs I skip even on the GREAT albums).

Just my two cents!

PoorLonelyComputer said:

Bart is not a hater he's just not afraid to tell the truth.

Yeah, the truth as he sees it. Which may not necessarily be the truth.

Give that man some Milk of Magnesia. I'm ready for some funky shit!

It doesn't bother me that people hate Prince as everyone is entitled to their opinion. What I find so strange though is that people spend their precious time (life is short) on the ORG posting negative responses to everything! Crazy. Get a life and go and enjoy it. Prince was (or should be) in YOUR past!

As for whether Bart is telling the truth - whose truth! It is HIS opinion, NOTHING more. He is entitled to his opinion but that is all it is, NOT the truth!

PoorLonelyComputer said:

jaypotton said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with people having their own views but the fact that haters such as Bart are STILL here after all these years is simply amazing.

Bart is not a hater he's just not afraid to tell the truth. Sorry if that bothers you.

BTW - if you hae been on here long enough then you will know Bart's history. He has some valid reasons to be bitter at Prince but I really do think 15 years is long enough and he should get over it and move on. It isn't healthy!

*

He's busy. Leave him alone.

BartVanHemelen said:

Genesia said:

at people who think Prince gives even half a shit about what they think.

Yeah, it's not like his official website once rules that "reviews don't matter", only to promote a positive review mere days later.

And it's not like Prince once released a single where the artwork consisted of positive reviews.

It's not like Prince has banned reporters from PP for daring to write critical articles.

It's not like he's ripped and burned negative reviews onstage during concerts.

It's not like Prince's official website censored posts that criticized him.

Oh wait, he did all of that.

he really did this? when?

cindymay said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Yeah, it's not like his official website once rules that "reviews don't matter", only to promote a positive review mere days later.

And it's not like Prince once released a single where the artwork consisted of positive reviews.

It's not like Prince has banned reporters from PP for daring to write critical articles.

It's not like he's ripped and burned negative reviews onstage during concerts.

It's not like Prince's official website censored posts that criticized him.

Oh wait, he did all of that.

Except at the moment, I don't recall the incident(s) of burning negative reviews.

cindymay said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Yeah, it's not like his official website once rules that "reviews don't matter", only to promote a positive review mere days later.

And it's not like Prince once released a single where the artwork consisted of positive reviews.

It's not like Prince has banned reporters from PP for daring to write critical articles.

It's not like he's ripped and burned negative reviews onstage during concerts.

It's not like Prince's official website censored posts that criticized him.

Oh wait, he did all of that.

he really did this? when?

He burned reviews onstage while performing My Name Is Prince on the Arsenio Hall Show in '93, and also during the Act I and Act II tours the same year.

a man of passion, clearly...

having read your comment three times (I was sure I must have missed something the first and second time I read it, hence the need for the third reading), I find myself compelled to say...

...who cares?

gold31 said:

He burned reviews onstage while performing My Name Is Prince on the Arsenio Hall Show in '93, and also during the Act I and Act II tours the same year.

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