Tittypants said:

Byron said:

On the other end of the spectrum:

Dale Bozzio

Vanity

Appolonia

Jill Jones

Ingrid Chavez

Carmen Electra

Hmm...I'm drawing a blank...(brain must be in self-preservation mode, doesn't want to remember any others lol )

Paula Abdul?

Byron said:

Tittypants said:

Really [to bold "singers"]???

With exception of Mavis Staples, Bonnie Raitt [& Chaka Kahn....I guess ], everyone here is more unique than great in the singing department [I would say the same for Prince himself vocally].

You're questioning the singing talents of Chaka Khan? If so, any credibility you may have had on this topic just got flushed down the toilet...an airplane toilet...and it got dumped somewhere over Idaho.

And, hell, you're questioning the singing talents of PRINCE?

Because, Chaka Khan screams for the most part [in the same vain that Prince used Bonnie, Rosie, & Shelby.....]. Chaka's best work was with Rufus.

Prince vocally is more unique than Great, imho.

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Byron said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

....and don't forget Sinead O'Connor. Btw, how would you rate Andy Allo?

I forgot about Andy Allo...

And Nikka Costa...

And Angie Stone...

Gotta rank them somewhere, too ...

All 3 were already established before Prince. Andy vocally is highly average.

Byron said:

Tittypants said:

Tamar - yes.

Bria-hell no. Vocals are highly forgettable.

Mayte? Madonna? Wendy? Lisa? Susannah? Martika?

If Bria's vocals are highly forgettable, then so is Susannah's, Mayte's, Wendy's and Lisa's lol...Also, I wasn't counting females that were in his band, or else I'd be adding Bonnie Boyer and Rosie Gaines to the first list. (sheila E is the exception since she was in his band after he worked with her.)

I think Tittypants posted these as examples of singers who has worked with Prince without having great voices.

paulludvig said:

Byron said:

If Bria's vocals are highly forgettable, then so is Susannah's, Mayte's, Wendy's and Lisa's lol...Also, I wasn't counting females that were in his band, or else I'd be adding Bonnie Boyer and Rosie Gaines to the first list. (sheila E is the exception since she was in his band after he worked with her.)

I think Tittypants posted these as examples of singers who has worked with Prince without having great voices.

Yup!

Tittypants said:

Byron said:

You're questioning the singing talents of Chaka Khan? If so, any credibility you may have had on this topic just got flushed down the toilet...an airplane toilet...and it got dumped somewhere over Idaho.

And, hell, you're questioning the singing talents of PRINCE?

Because, Chaka Khan screams for the most part [in the same vain that Prince used Bonnie, Rosie, & Shelby.....]. Chaka's best work was with Rufus.

Prince vocally is more unique than Great, imho.

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The question was about the level of talent (singing or overall) of the females Prince has worked with...not whether or not he brought out their best performances.

And Prince has one of the most versatile voices in music...Remember this from Rolling Stone?

Tittypants said:

Byron said:

I forgot about Andy Allo...

And Nikka Costa...

And Angie Stone...

Gotta rank them somewhere, too ...

All 3 were already established before Prince. Andy vocally is highly average.

Again lol...the question was about the level of talent of the females Prince has worked with--not whether or not they already had their careers started.

paulludvig said:

Byron said:

If Bria's vocals are highly forgettable, then so is Susannah's, Mayte's, Wendy's and Lisa's lol...Also, I wasn't counting females that were in his band, or else I'd be adding Bonnie Boyer and Rosie Gaines to the first list. (sheila E is the exception since she was in his band after he worked with her.)

I think Tittypants posted these as examples of singers who has worked with Prince without having great voices.

I got the impression that he was saying they all had better singing voices than Bria...if so, that's what my response was aimed at.

Tittypants said:

Byron said:

You're questioning the singing talents of Chaka Khan? If so, any credibility you may have had on this topic just got flushed down the toilet...an airplane toilet...and it got dumped somewhere over Idaho.

And, hell, you're questioning the singing talents of PRINCE?

Because, Chaka Khan screams for the most part [in the same vain that Prince used Bonnie, Rosie, & Shelby.....]. Chaka's best work was with Rufus.

Prince vocally is more unique than Great, imho.

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What would constitue as great? I agree his voice is very unique, but to say it isn't great... What about songs like 'Damn U', 'Another Lonely Christmas', 'Still Would Stand All Time', 'The Most Beautiful Girl in the World' and so on.

Byron said:

Tittypants said:

All 3 were already established before Prince. Andy vocally is highly average.

Again lol...the question was about the level of talent of the females Prince has worked with--not whether or not they already had their careers started.

&? Prince has chosen highly questionable people to put on himself [pretty much all are not vocally anything much @ all]. Every established artist he worked with is not super talented either. That is my point. I can't really rely on Prince making quality music with any of the vocalist he works with ether. A lot of the music he's done for others is less than 50/50, imo. So, for people to be so offended that he wants to do music with Rita Ora is odd to me. Combine all of the female vocal artist Prince brought out, with who he has worked with [from the already established], & the music is not that great. I'm sorry. That it all.

thisisreece said:

Tittypants said:

Because, Chaka Khan screams for the most part [in the same vain that Prince used Bonnie, Rosie, & Shelby.....]. Chaka's best work was with Rufus.

Prince vocally is more unique than Great, imho.

[Edited 11/7/13 11:01am]

What would constitue as great? I agree his voice is very unique, but to say it isn't great... What about songs like 'Damn U', 'Another Lonely Christmas', 'Still Would Stand All Time', 'The Most Beautiful Girl in the World' and so on.

It's just my opinion. I love Prince's vocals, but I feel that he is more unique, than a great singer. He is great in his unique-ness.

Tittypants said:

Byron said:

Again lol...the question was about the level of talent of the females Prince has worked with--not whether or not they already had their careers started.

&? Prince has chosen highly questionable people to put on himself [pretty much all are not vocally anything much @ all]. Every established artist he worked with is not super talented either. That is my point. I can't really rely on Prince making quality music with any of the vocalist he works with ether. A lot of the music he's done for others is less than 50/50, imo. So, for people to be so offended that he wants to do music with Rita Ora is odd to me. Combine all of the female vocal artist Prince brought out, with who he has worked with [from the already established], & the music is not that great. I'm sorry. That it all.

You're all over the map lol...

The original topic was whether or not Rita Ora was talented enough to work with Prince.

You basically said that most of the females Prince has worked with weren't talented (at least at singing), and that the females he worked with that were talented could be counted on one hand....someone else agreed with you (can't remember who).

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the females had their careers already started.

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not they did their best work with Prince.

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not we individually liked the musical output from their working together.

It ONLY had to do with the level of talent these women possessed (again, singing or overall) that Prince has worked with.

You said the number of talented female singers Prince has worked with could be counted on one hand. I gave a list that I felt proved that to be wrong. You responded by saying which singers you felt deserved to be called talented, and which ones did not. I did the same back (sort of lol).

Everything else is one million percent irrelevant.

If Rita Ora was a Prince protoge' and you were comparing her to his past protoge's, you'd be on far more solid footing. But she's not, and you weren't (or shouldn't have been, anyway), so you're not lol ...

Tittypants said:

thisisreece said:

What would constitue as great? I agree his voice is very unique, but to say it isn't great... What about songs like 'Damn U', 'Another Lonely Christmas', 'Still Would Stand All Time', 'The Most Beautiful Girl in the World' and so on.

It's just my opinion. I love Prince's vocals, but I feel that he is more unique, than a great singer. He is great in his unique-ness.

All the great singers have unique voices, though.

Byron said:

Tittypants said:

&? Prince has chosen highly questionable people to put on himself [pretty much all are not vocally anything much @ all]. Every established artist he worked with is not super talented either. That is my point. I can't really rely on Prince making quality music with any of the vocalist he works with ether. A lot of the music he's done for others is less than 50/50, imo. So, for people to be so offended that he wants to do music with Rita Ora is odd to me. Combine all of the female vocal artist Prince brought out, with who he has worked with [from the already established], & the music is not that great. I'm sorry. That it all.

You're all over the map lol...

The original topic was whether or not Rita Ora was talented enough to work with Prince.

You basically said that most of the females Prince has worked with weren't talented (at least at singing), and that the females he worked with that were talented could be counted on one hand....someone else agreed with you (can't remember who).

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the females had their careers already started.

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not they did their best work with Prince.

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not we individually liked the musical output from their working together.

It ONLY had to do with the level of talent these women possessed (again, singing or overall) that Prince has worked with.

You said the number of talented female singers Prince has worked with could be counted on one hand. I gave a list that I felt proved that to be wrong. You responded by saying which singers you felt deserved to be called talented, and which ones did not. I did the same back (sort of lol).

Everything else is one million percent irrelevant.

If Rita Ora was a Prince protoge' and you were comparing her to his past protoge's, you'd be on far more solid footing. But she's not, and you weren't (or shouldn't have been, anyway), so you're not lol ...

I've simply brought up points that I feel. We all have our own opinions. Whether we like each others opinions, or not. My whole point is that there is nothing wrong with Prince working with Rita Ora, regardless of what you think about her vocally.

Byron said:

Tittypants said:

It's just my opinion. I love Prince's vocals, but I feel that he is more unique, than a great singer. He is great in his unique-ness.

All the great singers have unique voices, though.

It's ALL opinion. Must we really keep this going?

Tittypants said:

Byron said:

All the great singers have unique voices, though.

It's ALL opinion. Must we really keep this going?

Can you name a great singer that does NOT have a unique voice? lol

Tittypants said:

Byron said:

You're all over the map lol...

The original topic was whether or not Rita Ora was talented enough to work with Prince.

You basically said that most of the females Prince has worked with weren't talented (at least at singing), and that the females he worked with that were talented could be counted on one hand....someone else agreed with you (can't remember who).

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the females had their careers already started.

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not they did their best work with Prince.

Had nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not we individually liked the musical output from their working together.

It ONLY had to do with the level of talent these women possessed (again, singing or overall) that Prince has worked with.

You said the number of talented female singers Prince has worked with could be counted on one hand. I gave a list that I felt proved that to be wrong. You responded by saying which singers you felt deserved to be called talented, and which ones did not. I did the same back (sort of lol).

Everything else is one million percent irrelevant.

If Rita Ora was a Prince protoge' and you were comparing her to his past protoge's, you'd be on far more solid footing. But she's not, and you weren't (or shouldn't have been, anyway), so you're not lol ...

I've simply brought up points that I feel. We all have our own opinions. Whether we like each others opinions, or not. My whole point is that there is nothing wrong with Prince working with Rita Ora, regardless of what you think about her vocally.

Oh, I agree with that completely lol ...But keep in mind, there were many here at the Org who felt Beyonce wasn't talented enough to perform with Prince at the Grammys, so ...

Byron said:

Tittypants said:

It's ALL opinion. Must we really keep this going?

Can you name a great singer that does NOT have a unique voice? lol

I would consider Whitney a great singer. I would consider Bjork a unique singer. I Love both vocally, but for different reasons. Some are just just unique to me, though. I would also consider Fred Mercury a great singer, & Mich Jagger a unique singer.

Byron said:

Tittypants said:

I've simply brought up points that I feel. We all have our own opinions. Whether we like each others opinions, or not. My whole point is that there is nothing wrong with Prince working with Rita Ora, regardless of what you think about her vocally.

Oh, I agree with that completely lol ...But keep in mind, there were many here at the Org who felt Beyonce wasn't talented enough to perform with Prince at the Grammys, so ...

That's why it's hard for me to take people here seriously from time to time.

Tittypants said:

Byron said:

Can you name a great singer that does NOT have a unique voice? lol

I would consider Whitney a great singer. I would consider Bjork a unique singer. I Love both vocally, but for different reasons. Some are just just unique to me, though. I would also consider Fred Mercury a great singer, & Mich Jagger a unique singer.

Ah, I gotcha now...I would agree with all four of those. I was taking "unique singer" as being "something that you just don't hear anyone else doing." Karen Carpenter was a fantastic singer, but she was also unique in that you did NOT hear a voice like her on almost any other songs on the radio. Whitney isn't as unique--there are others who sing in a similar manner...then again, I think she had great vocal talent but too often let the theatrics of her vocal delivery take control, as if showing off her vocal range mattered more to her than conveying the emotion of the lyrics and complimenting the melody. She started approaching every song the exact same way. She over-embellished too much for my liking.

As an example, though, I think Neil Finn has an incredible voice, hits every note with pure perfection and has an earnestness to his delivery that makes you feel like he has lived every word in his songs. That's rare, and qualifies as "unique" in my eyes.

Tittypants said:

Byron said:

Oh, I agree with that completely lol ...But keep in mind, there were many here at the Org who felt Beyonce wasn't talented enough to perform with Prince at the Grammys, so ...

That's why it's hard for me to take people here seriously from time to time.

Hell, never take anyone here seriously...even me lol ...

No, seriously...don't take me seriously. I'm being serious.

BobGeorge909 said:

Who the hell is Rita Ora?

She's the new girl on Jay-Z's Roc Nation label from Albania.

That first Rita Ora album was really, really bad. Totally non-descript generic bad pop.

She is, however, unbelievably beautiful so yeah, go prince!

Prince should stay away from mainstream corporate puppets!

khemseraph said:

It seems like most of you are missing the point,Prince is working with someone modern ..that's not his protege. He is getting himself out there again. First Jonelle and now Rita. I'm excited,just for the fact that he is working with other people. Be happy.

Hopefully it will get him some attention, though I think this news is misleading. I don't actually think he's working with her.

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khemseraph said:

It seems like most of you are missing the point,Prince is working with someone modern ..that's not his protege. He is getting himself out there again. First Jonelle and now Rita. I'm excited,just for the fact that he is working with other people. Be happy.

WOW

Rita is a pop puppet; average talent pushed in our faces to make money for her masters.

Prince has previously stated he could not work with somebody who does not own their masters. NONE of these Tavistock instuition dimwits own anything. Their label completely owns them.

paulmicahel said:

Prince should stay away from mainstream corporate puppets!

Kinda wish Prince was still a mainstream corporate puppet......

Tittypants said:

paulmicahel said:

Prince should stay away from mainstream corporate puppets!

Kinda wish Prince was still a mainstream corporate puppet......

I don't but i do wish he had his masters so we could have DVDS, Blu Rays, Box sets, remasters, remixes, downloads etc.

The reason we don't have those is he wants to much money of WB to let them release the above. If Prince owned everything himself we may of got some of that.

thisisreece said:

khemseraph said:

It seems like most of you are missing the point,Prince is working with someone modern ..that's not his protege. He is getting himself out there again. First Jonelle and now Rita. I'm excited,just for the fact that he is working with other people. Be happy.

Hopefully it will get him some attention, though I think this news is misleading. I don't actually think he's working with her.

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He probably provided some guitar work for one of her songs or something lol...

Geez...so much hand wringing over this.