robertgeorgeakabob said:

databank said:

No, I've never heard of Crystal Ball...or Purple Rain. Are they any good?

Well, your reply implied... nevermind...

databank said:

I think "Good Love" would have been a nice addition to Lovesexy...perhaps in place of "Dance On",which I've never been crazy about.

databank said:

chopingard said:

Other than that I think of Princes albums from For You - Batman as pretty much flawless and not in need of any kind of tweaking (not to say I don't want extended remasters

Graffiti Bridge: All the things I would want to add were probably recorded after in the Larabee sessions for the NPG Maxi

Diamonds & Pearls I wouldn't change any of the songs but maybe revert to earlier mixes of the song (Live 4 Love) or no edits (Insatiable)

Symbol: wouldn't change a thing

Emancipation: Maybe add on 2020

The Truth: Wouldn't change a thing

Rave: Anything I would have done to Un2 was done on Rave Into

Rainbow Children: Wouldn't Change a thing

Crystal Ball: 3 discs but all 80 mins long not 60 that's an extra hour of outtakes yaaaaay

OK, I hadn't realized the double Come and double Exodus were something separate from the triple TGE Thing is to me a triple TGE would actually be a triple Come/TGE, because these sessions were so intertwined that they belong to the same thing (look at how the Beautiful Xperience video and the live shows used to mix both tracklists). Even on Come I don't really see where the I'll Do Anything tracks would fit, the sound is so different, and the themes, it's weird that u think that these go together IMHO. I'd have appreciated I'll Do Anything to end-up on TVOF4S where it belonged, though. As for Exodus it woulda been great with all the outtakes for sure, but on the other hand the album as released bears a strong concept and cohesiveness.

Releasing The Dawn would indeed have been a very strong statement and obviously the music would have been much better received than the one on Emancipation. But WB was still in the mix in 94 and they'd never have released a triple

I guess the reason I see them as part of this period is because the first Outtake cassette I got was The Platinum bootleg which was a mix of I'll Do anything and Gold era stuff.. So to me they are one and the same but always good to have a counter opinion on them.

I think Exodus would make a great double disc is because at the end of the first cd you could have had the Seque "to find out what happens to our heros" Would have given it a real 2 part comic book feel, Also it would have let all the songs go full length without the criminal editing to Hallucination Rain (although before I knew it was edited I loved it anyway)

SoulAlive said:

I think "Good Love" would have been a nice addition to Lovesexy...perhaps in place of "Dance On",which I've never been crazy about.

Maybe Glam Slam + Good Love = too much of the same thing (ecstatic romance) on a 45mn album?

chopingard said:

databank said:

OK, I hadn't realized the double Come and double Exodus were something separate from the triple TGE Thing is to me a triple TGE would actually be a triple Come/TGE, because these sessions were so intertwined that they belong to the same thing (look at how the Beautiful Xperience video and the live shows used to mix both tracklists). Even on Come I don't really see where the I'll Do Anything tracks would fit, the sound is so different, and the themes, it's weird that u think that these go together IMHO. I'd have appreciated I'll Do Anything to end-up on TVOF4S where it belonged, though. As for Exodus it woulda been great with all the outtakes for sure, but on the other hand the album as released bears a strong concept and cohesiveness.

Releasing The Dawn would indeed have been a very strong statement and obviously the music would have been much better received than the one on Emancipation. But WB was still in the mix in 94 and they'd never have released a triple

I guess the reason I see them as part of this period is because the first Outtake cassette I got was The Platinum bootleg which was a mix of I'll Do anything and Gold era stuff.. So to me they are one and the same but always good to have a counter opinion on them.

I think Exodus would make a great double disc is because at the end of the first cd you could have had the Seque "to find out what happens to our heros" Would have given it a real 2 part comic book feel, Also it would have let all the songs go full length without the criminal editing to Hallucination Rain (although before I knew it was edited I loved it anyway)

I see what u mean: habit make us feel some stuff belonging together. I mean I was listening to Crystal Ball (the album) today and I caught myself thinking of this thread and thinking "if I wasn't used to it I may find the notion of having "It" and "Slow Love" on the same album very disturbing

The thing is that basically (IMHO) the I'll Do ANything tracks have a jazzy, broadway-like and somewhat cinematic feeling to them, + they're not very personal since they were composed for movie characters to sing (save Empty Room which was recycled). On the other hand the Gold/Come stuff, despite being overproduced in some ways, sound somewhat rough and agressive, and most if not all songs have very personal lyrics. The I'll Do Anything tracks were perfect for TVOF4S, that whole album's concept was kind of "Prince goes Donald fagen" and I happen to love it, but for totally different reasons than TGE/Come.

You have a good point with Exodus. It could have been a true funk extravaganza. Let's hope one day P remasters it and makes some sort of a cohesive companion album with the outtakes (instead of a mere compilation of outtakes mixed with remixes and b-sides on the same CD's).

The first 2 configurations of Exodus have leaked 2 years back, try and get them if you haven't already

"Horny Pony" should have replaced "Jughead" on Diamonds & Pearls.

My grandmother farting should have replaced "Jughead" on Diamonds & Pearls.

databank said:

SoulAlive said:

I think "Good Love" would have been a nice addition to Lovesexy...perhaps in place of "Dance On",which I've never been crazy about.

Maybe Glam Slam + Good Love = too much of the same thing (ecstatic romance) on a 45mn album?

yeah,maybe you're right

Controversy, add on Feel U up and Irresistable Bitch

1999 - Take off Free and add on Moonbeam Levels, Lust u always, Xtralovable and Purple Music

Purple Rain - Add on Electric Intercourse, 17 Days, Erotic city, take off Take me with u and Darling Nikki (Just don't like it that much)

Parade - Take off I wonder u, Venus de milo, life can be so nice, add Others here with us, go, wonderful ass, neon telephone, all my dreams, a place in heaven, sexual suicide.

SOTT, take off nothing, make it into a triple album, add Crucial, Good Love, Dream Factory, Big Tall Wall, If I love u tonite, Crystal Ball

Lovesexy, Take off Dance On and trim Positivity back, add the Line, Fuschia Light, People Without.

Byron said:

KevinB said:

Byron said:

"Horny Pony" should have replaced "Jughead" on Diamonds & Pearls.

My grandmother farting should have replaced "Jughead" on Diamonds & Pearls.

Best. Post. Ever!

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SpiritOtter said:

SoulAlive said:

Oh..and there is no way that "I Love U In Me" could have worked on the Batman album

come on,guys!

AFTER Lemon Crush and BEFORE Scandalous.

Use your imagination, SoulAlive!

The songs on Batman are,for the most part,very 'loud' and busy.There's alot going on in these songs,production-wise."I Love U In Me" is a very 'quiet',stripped down ballad.I think it would have sounded out of place on this project.

SoulAlive said:

SpiritOtter said:

AFTER Lemon Crush and BEFORE Scandalous.

Use your imagination, SoulAlive!

The songs on Batman are,for the most part,very 'loud' and busy.There's alot going on in these songs,production-wise."I Love U In Me" is a very 'quiet',stripped down ballad.I think it would have sounded out of place on this project.

In a way they're very much stripped-down and minimalist (the songs on Batman).

Dazza said:

Joy In Repetition should have made SOTT in place of Beautiful Night - would have made the album flawless

great idea!

"It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" is not a "so so" track, for fuck's sake.

I should add that the use of the word "fuck" was necessary in this case.

novabrkr said:

"It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" is not a "so so" track, for fuck's sake.

That song never did much for me.Would have preferred a great studio track instead.Imagine if "Wonderful Ass" appeared in its place?

SoulAlive said:

SoulAlive said:

novabrkr said:

"It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" is not a "so so" track, for fuck's sake.

That song never did much for me.Would have preferred a great studio track instead.Imagine if "Wonderful Ass" appeared in its place?

I've always gotten the impression that people who say they don't like "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" had never listened to any jazz-funk type of music prior to hearing it, so its free form structure and all those changes went over a lot of people's heads. Once you decide that you "don't like" something that doesn't usually change.

For its own genre it's a landmark recording, especially the time period considered. I don't personally consider "Wonderful Ass" to be anywhere near its league.

SoulAlive said:

as someone mentioned above,"She's Always In My Hair" should have made the ATWIAD album.It should have replaced the silly "Tamborine".

Half agree with this one. She's Always in My Hair definitely should've been on ATWIAD but no, no, no, not in place of Tamborine (LOVE that song). I would say instead of Temptation. THEN that album would be flawless.

novabrkr said:

SoulAlive said:

That song never did much for me.Would have preferred a great studio track instead.Imagine if "Wonderful Ass" appeared in its place?

I've always gotten the impression that people who say they don't like "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" had never listened to any jazz-funk type of music prior to hearing it, so its free form structure and all those changes went over a lot of people's heads. Once you decide that you "don't like" something that doesn't usually change.

For its own genre it's a landmark recording, especially the time period considered. I don't personally consider "Wonderful Ass" to be anywhere near its league.

I have always loved Its Gonna Be A Beautiful Night. It totally belongs on that album. Although I like the thought of adding Joy in Repetition to SOTT...hmm....maybe in place of Slow Love? Or Hot Thing?

bigd74 said:

SoulAlive said:

That song never did much for me.Would have preferred a great studio track instead.Imagine if "Wonderful Ass" appeared in its place?

Bearing in mind Witness and Train remain unreleased, either would have sat perfectly on SOTT.

It's crazy how much of Prince's very best work hasn't been released.

Poplife88 said:

novabrkr said:

I've always gotten the impression that people who say they don't like "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" had never listened to any jazz-funk type of music prior to hearing it, so its free form structure and all those changes went over a lot of people's heads. Once you decide that you "don't like" something that doesn't usually change.

For its own genre it's a landmark recording, especially the time period considered. I don't personally consider "Wonderful Ass" to be anywhere near its league.

I have always loved Its Gonna Be A Beautiful Night. It totally belongs on that album. Although I like the thought of adding Joy in Repetition to SOTT...hmm....maybe in place of Slow Love? Or Hot Thing?

Yeah, I agree. Somewhere on the first disc and on that side. He could have also made it fit the album by just trimming down the other songs a bit.

But maybe Prince just knew that he was going to use it in the future. Having it on GB makes it a whole lot better album than what it would be otherwise, even if having it on that album means it's a song many "casual fans" don't even know of.

Poplife88 said:

SoulAlive said:

as someone mentioned above,"She's Always In My Hair" should have made the ATWIAD album.It should have replaced the silly "Tamborine".

Half agree with this one. She's Always in My Hair definitely should've been on ATWIAD but no, no, no, not in place of Tamborine (LOVE that song). I would say instead of Temptation. THEN that album would be flawless.

Replacing one of Prince's strongest album ender, and also sort of him making a point of the fact that he could do more than mainstream pop music by a pop song, no matter how good? No way! Honestly I think ATWIAD is perfect the way it is but if one sond shoulda been replaced by SAIMH it should then have been Amercia: replace a pop song by another, don't touch the odd tracks such as Tamborine or Temptation, which are just so necessary to the album's whole structure. You guys tend to want to replace the songs u don't like by the songs u like but u totally forget the whole cohesive structure of the albums. It's like replacing IGBABN by JIR on SOTTas mentionned by another orger here: just imagine the album ending with 3 goddamn ballads: The Cross/JIR/Adore: boring to death no matter how good the songs individually!

databank said:

Poplife88 said:

SoulAlive said:

as someone mentioned above,"She's Always In My Hair" should have made the ATWIAD album.It should have replaced the silly "Tamborine".

Half agree with this one. She's Always in My Hair definitely should've been on ATWIAD but no, no, no, not in place of Tamborine (LOVE that song). I would say instead of Temptation. THEN that album would be flawless.

I'm not too fond of "Temptation",either but it serves its purpose as a closing track for the album.

"Tamborine"? it just seems like a little filler track with silly lyrics."She's Always In My Hair" is pop perfection and would have worked really well on the album.

novabrkr said:

SoulAlive said:

That song never did much for me.Would have preferred a great studio track instead.Imagine if "Wonderful Ass" appeared in its place?

I've always gotten the impression that people who say they don't like "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" had never listened to any jazz-funk type of music prior to hearing it, so its free form structure and all those changes went over a lot of people's heads. Once you decide that you "don't like" something that doesn't usually change.

For its own genre it's a landmark recording, especially the time period considered. I don't personally consider "Wonderful Ass" to be anywhere near its league.

No,I listen to alot of jazz funk I'm not saying the song is terrible,I just feel that a kickass studio track (instead of a live track from a year earlier) would have been preferable (to me)...especailly considering all the amazing tracks that Prince was creating during that period.I think "Wonderful Ass" is a great song...classic 80s Prince,imo.

[Edited 11/13/13 4:34am]

thisisreece said:

bigd74 said:

SoulAlive said: Bearing in mind Witness and Train remain unreleased, either would have sat perfectly on SOTT.

It's crazy how much of Prince's very best work hasn't been released.

I agree.I listen to alot of these unreleased songs and it almost makes me mad that it wasn't officially released I wanted the world to hear some of these gems

bigd74 said:

databank said:

Replacing one of Prince's strongest album ender, and also sort of him making a point of the fact that he could do more than mainstream pop music by a pop song, no matter how good? No way! Honestly I think ATWIAD is perfect the way it is but if one sond shoulda been replaced by SAIMH it should then have been Amercia: replace a pop song by another, don't touch the odd tracks such as Tamborine or Temptation, which are just so necessary to the album's whole structure. You guys tend to want to replace the songs u don't like by the songs u like but u totally forget the whole cohesive structure of the albums. It's like replacing IGBABN by JIR on SOTTas mentionned by another orger here: just imagine the album ending with 3 goddamn ballads: The Cross/JIR/Adore: boring to death no matter how good the songs individually!

My problem with Temptation is that awful conversation with God at the end [Edited 11/12/13 10:16am]

OMG...me too...that ending completely ruins the song for me. I've hated it since day one and never warmed to it...I can say that about only a few Prince songs. I have had the album since it came out in 85 and always stop it after The Ladder.

My playlist now includes 4 The Tears in Your Eyes in its place, then all the b-sides, 12" of RB and Pop Life, and live video version of America. Its one of my fave playlists that I have ever made.

novabrkr said:

"It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night" is not a "so so" track, for fuck's sake.

Exactly. It opens up the album's mood by putting in a live party track.

[Edited 11/13/13 15:03pm]