For me, when listerning to a which really grabs me I find it hard to believe it wasn't worthy of album inclusion for it's respective era. Take for example "All my dreams". A magnificent track which would have closed out Parade beautifully. Accepting personal taste and for whateve reason...Princes' ultimate choice to omit certain tracks list some of your favrourite 'left overs' that never quite made it to the officially released album. Crystal Ball tracks don't count for this...as I'm using it below as you will note. To get the ball rolling....

All my dreams - Parade

Sexual Suicide - Parade (single release)

Inetractive - Gold Experience

Good Man - Grafitt Bridge

I Wonder - Diamonds & Pearls

God is Alive - Graffit Bridge

Come (#3) - Come

Empty Room (#1) - Gold Experience

Play - Graffiti Bridge

Witness for the Prosecution - Sign o the Times

Crucial - Sign O the times

The Dance Electric (Prince)- Around the world in a day

Mutiny (Prince) - Parade

"Hide The Bone","Ripopgodazippa" and "Acknowledge Me" should have made it onto TGE.

"Wonderful Ass" should have made it onto SOTT (perhaps instead of the so-so "Hot Thing"?)

Lisa - Dirty Mind

Strange Way of Saying I Love You and Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? - Controversy

Purple Music and Extralovable - 1999

Wednesday, Father's Song, Erotic City, 17 Days, God (Vocal and Instrumental) and Another Lonely Christmas - Purple Rain

She's Always In My Hair, Hello and Girl - Around The World In A Day

Power Fantastic, Alexa De Paris, Others Here With Us, Old Friends 4 Sale and All My Dreams - Parade

La, La, La, He, He, Hee, Rebirth of the Flesh and Shockadelica - Sign O The Times

The Line and Scarlet Pussy - Lovesexy

I Love U In Me and Dance With The Devil - Batman

The Grand Progression and Player - Graffiti Bridge

I Hear Your Voice and Open Book - Diamonds and Pearls

Interactive - Come

Days of Wild - The Gold Experience

Calhoun Square - Chaos and Disorder

Journey to the Centre of Your Heart and Goodbye - Emancipation

Pink Cashmere - Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic

Silver Tongue - Musicology

PFUNK - Planet Earth

Cause and Effect - 20Ten

not sure about tracks that should have made an album,

since most of his 80s albums are just perfect the way

they are now.

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but i do feel like he could have released even more of

those as b-sides. especially the last 20 years when it

became more common for bands to include about 3

non album tracks as b-sides on singles. people like

tori amos and pet shop boys to name but two have a

b-side catalogue that's incredibly deep and wide and

filled with songs that rival their album output. prince

surely had that kind of material in huge numbers.

/

in that respect i've always thought it a bit weird that he

didn't really release that many bsides anymore after

he became a free agent. his singles would have sold a

lot better if they all had at least 2 non album tracks on

them. because in latter years i stopped buying singles

when he released them simply as a 1 song kinda deal.

How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore should've made 1999 (Horny Toad is best as a B-side).

17 Days and Erotic City should've made Purple Rain (God is best as a B-side).

She's Always In My Hair and Girl should've made ATWIAD (Hello is best as a B-side).

Thinking ahead, most of the B-sides are best left where they are, save for 200 Balloons maybe.

Joy In Repetition should have made SOTT in place of Beautiful Night - would have made the album flawless

The Gold Experience should have been a tripple CD with all the songs that should have been on it. Come and Exodus should of been at least a double

Days Of Wild (6 minute version)

Empty Room

Interactive

Rippopgodazippa

Strays Of The World

I'll Do Anything

Make Belive

Rest Of My Life

Mad

Funky Design

Welcome 2 The Dawn (Electric Version)

Love Sign

Unedited Versions of

Race

Hallucination Rain

oh and possibly The Line on Lovesexy

SpiritOtter said:

Lisa - Dirty Mind

Strange Way of Saying I Love You and Wouldn't You Love to Love Me? - Controversy

Purple Music and Extralovable - 1999

Wednesday, Father's Song, Erotic City, 17 Days, God (Vocal and Instrumental) and Another Lonely Christmas - Purple Rain

She's Always In My Hair, Hello and Girl - Around The World In A Day

Power Fantastic, Alexa De Paris, Others Here With Us, Old Friends 4 Sale and All My Dreams - Parade

La, La, La, He, He, Hee, Rebirth of the Flesh and Shockadelica - Sign O The Times

The Line and Scarlet Pussy - Lovesexy

I Love U In Me and Dance With The Devil - Batman

The Grand Progression and Player - Graffiti Bridge

I Hear Your Voice and Open Book - Diamonds and Pearls

Interactive - Come

Days of Wild - The Gold Experience

Calhoun Square - Chaos and Disorder

Journey to the Centre of Your Heart and Goodbye - Emancipation

Pink Cashmere - Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic

Silver Tongue - Musicology

PFUNK - Planet Earth

Cause and Effect - 20Ten

Most of these "YES" a million times!!!

Dazza said:

I really can't see how The Dance Electric could have fit on ATWIAD: it has a cold electronic sound from the 1999-PR era, nothing to do with the organic/psycheldelic sound of ATWIAD. The opposite is true with the organic How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore and the cold sound of 1999. Free is already almost not where it belongs there, but HCUDCMA would have been so weird in the middle of all these synths and linn drum machines...

Erotic City also had little to do on Purple Rain, it just doesn't belong thematically or even musically. Maybe on The Glamorous Life but not PR.

Good Man, thematically speaking, had nothing to do on GB.

Mutiny DID make the album, but it was The Family not Parade. The Family is a Prince album.

Hello couldn't have been on ATWIAD because it was recorded AFTER the album was released. Same with I Love U In Me, which was recorded after Batman was released. Same goes again with Play as well: it was recorded after GB was released. Power Fantastic was recorded something like 2 weeks before Parade was released, I can't really imagine it making the cut at the last minute. + honestly Parade is such a perfect album that I can't imagine it being toyed with. Even the wonderfuls All My Dreams and Old Friends 4 Sale are better left out of it. Or then it would have had to be a double album with All My Dreams, Old Friends 4 Sale, Sexual Suicide, Others Here With Us, Alexa De Paris and Love Or $ and perhaps even Junk Music since it's in the movie (so is Mia Bocca but this one was for Jill Jones), but then it would have been a completely different album and honestly I'd rather keep my 45 perfect minutes of Parade the way they are

Of course I do agree with the idea of a 3-CD set in lieu of TGE, with the content of Come, TGE and a dozen additionnal outtakes. It would have been Prince's magnum opus without a doubt. At the very least I think TGE should have contained Interactive, Days Of Wild, Ripopgodazippa, Acknowledge Me, Love Sign and Hide The Bone but it would have meant getting rid of at least 3 or 4 tracks and I'm not so sure about that. This being said I fail to see how the jazzy tracks from the I'll Do Anything sessions would have fit anywhere on a triple TGE when the whole Come/TGE sessions were all about new jack swing and some sort of a princey version of power rock. Sometimes people's guesses about which songs would fit on which album leave me wondering...

But in the end I'm quite glad that all the albums are exactly the way they are, save maybe TGE but on the other hand I think it has more to do with the fact that we knew all the tracks and outtakes BEFORE the album was released, leading to lots of speculation about what would be on it and to the unevitable disappointment when it was released and we all saw that some of our favorites weren't on it. Most likely we wouldn't be so eager to redo its tracklist if the content had been unknown to us before its release.

La, La, La, He, He, Hee could have been a fine replacement for It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night but it was somewhat too lighthearted for SOTT IMHO, + IGBABN is sort of an homage to the Revolution years, I think symbolically it was important to have it on SOTT if only for that.

I can't believe I just read that Hot Thing is "so so" so I'm gonna ignore this

One song I think was scandalously edited out of an album is Feel U Up on the original Crystal Ball. I think it could have been there instead of The Ball (though I admit that the fact that I consider The Ball to be too weak a track for CB comes from both the poor quality of the circulating copies and the later release of a sped-up version with the ultra dynamic Eye No, which makes The Ball sound like Eye No on valium )

All of this is of course just my opinion, for what it's worth

databank said:

I'm not so sure about that. This being said I fail to see how the jazzy tracks from the I'll Do Anything sessions would have fit anywhere on a triple TGE when the whole Come/TGE sessions were all about new jack swing and some sort of a princey version of power rock.

I wasn't really thinking of I'll do Anything for TGE more an extended Come album as I think they fit with tracks like Letitgo and Papa

But in the end I'm quite glad that all the albums are exactly the way they are, save maybe TGE but on the other hand I think it has more to do with the fact that we knew all the tracks and outtakes BEFORE the album was released, leading to lots of speculation

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this one. After knowing around 3 discs of material before hand through various leaks and broadcasts one CD could never have made the defining statement that the name change, war with WB and abandoning of hits live that was required of it. I think with a 3 disc album like The Dawn project with all of these albums combined I think critics and fans would understand why he was dumping a whole career and just how much music there was still coming out. But with Come, Exodus, TGE and Chaos released over 2 years it becomes too dispearsed and unfocused for anybody but hardcore fans to comprehend.... Also this era screamed for a live album and DVD

Other than that I think of Princes albums from For You - Batman as pretty much flawless and not in need of any kind of tweaking (not to say I don't want extended remasters

Graffiti Bridge: All the things I would want to add were probably recorded after in the Larabee sessions for the NPG Maxi

Diamonds & Pearls I wouldn't change any of the songs but maybe revert to earlier mixes of the song (Live 4 Love) or no edits (Insatiable)

Symbol: wouldn't change a thing

Emancipation: Maybe add on 2020

The Truth: Wouldn't change a thing

Rave: Anything I would have done to Un2 was done on Rave Into

Rainbow Children: Wouldn't Change a thing

Crystal Ball: 3 discs but all 80 mins long not 60 that's an extra hour of outtakes yaaaaay

as someone mentioned above,"She's Always In My Hair" should have made the ATWIAD album.It should have replaced the silly "Tamborine".

SpiritOtter said:

Purple Music and Extralovable - 1999

I think "Extralovable" was recorded in spring 1983.....months after the 1999 album was released.I don't think it would have fit on Purple Rain,so the best place for it would have been a B-side to one of the PR tracks.

I love the 1999 album just the way it is,but I suppose "Purple Music" could have replaced "All The Critics..."

I agree,that song would not have fit.I actually wish that he had stuck with that cold electronic sound for at least one more album,before moving on to the psychedelic stuff

databank said:

I really can't see how The Dance Electric could have fit on ATWIAD: it has a cold electronic sound from the 1999-PR era, nothing to do with the organic/psycheldelic sound of ATWIAD.

Oh..and there is no way that "I Love U In Me" could have worked on the Batman album

come on,guys!

SoulAlive said:

Oh..and there is no way that "I Love U In Me" could have worked on the Batman album

come on,guys!

AFTER Lemon Crush and BEFORE Scandalous.

Use your imagination, SoulAlive!

SpiritOtter said:

SoulAlive said:

Oh..and there is no way that "I Love U In Me" could have worked on the Batman album

come on,guys!

AFTER Lemon Crush and BEFORE Scandalous.

Use your imagination, SoulAlive!

Prince's version of "Open Book" is simply amazing.Wish he had kept it for himself and placed it on one of the 90s albums.....perhaps D&P?

Dazza said:

SoulAlive said:

chopingard said:

databank said:

I'm not so sure about that. This being said I fail to see how the jazzy tracks from the I'll Do Anything sessions would have fit anywhere on a triple TGE when the whole Come/TGE sessions were all about new jack swing and some sort of a princey version of power rock.

But in the end I'm quite glad that all the albums are exactly the way they are, save maybe TGE but on the other hand I think it has more to do with the fact that we knew all the tracks and outtakes BEFORE the album was released, leading to lots of speculation

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this one. After knowing around 3 discs of material before hand through various leaks and broadcasts one CD could never have made the defining statement that the name change, war with WB and abandoning of hits live that was required of it. I think with a 3 disc album like The Dawn project with all of these albums combined I think critics and fans would understand why he was dumping a whole career and just how much music there was still coming out. But with Come, Exodus, TGE and Chaos released over 2 years it becomes too dispearsed and unfocused for anybody but hardcore fans to comprehend.... Also this era screamed for a live album and DVD

Other than that I think of Princes albums from For You - Batman as pretty much flawless and not in need of any kind of tweaking (not to say I don't want extended remasters

Graffiti Bridge: All the things I would want to add were probably recorded after in the Larabee sessions for the NPG Maxi

Diamonds & Pearls I wouldn't change any of the songs but maybe revert to earlier mixes of the song (Live 4 Love) or no edits (Insatiable)

Symbol: wouldn't change a thing

Emancipation: Maybe add on 2020

The Truth: Wouldn't change a thing

Rave: Anything I would have done to Un2 was done on Rave Into

Rainbow Children: Wouldn't Change a thing

Crystal Ball: 3 discs but all 80 mins long not 60 that's an extra hour of outtakes yaaaaay

OK, I hadn't realized the double Come and double Exodus were something separate from the triple TGE Thing is to me a triple TGE would actually be a triple Come/TGE, because these sessions were so intertwined that they belong to the same thing (look at how the Beautiful Xperience video and the live shows used to mix both tracklists). Even on Come I don't really see where the I'll Do Anything tracks would fit, the sound is so different, and the themes, it's weird that u think that these go together IMHO. I'd have appreciated I'll Do Anything to end-up on TVOF4S where it belonged, though. As for Exodus it woulda been great with all the outtakes for sure, but on the other hand the album as released bears a strong concept and cohesiveness.

Releasing The Dawn would indeed have been a very strong statement and obviously the music would have been much better received than the one on Emancipation. But WB was still in the mix in 94 and they'd never have released a triple

Dazza said:

bigd74 said:

Dazza said:

Joy In Repetition should have made SOTT in place of Beautiful Night - would have made the album flawless

Definitely! Beautiful Night is the only song that is so so on SOTT

yeah,"Beautiful Night" seems like a filler track to me.It's not terrible,but I think that a superb studio track would have worked better.

robertgeorgeakabob said:

Dazza said:

Joy In Repetition should have made SOTT in place of Beautiful Night - would have made the album flawless

Wonder how it would have sounded with SOTT's subtle bass tones as opposed to GB's grating, teeth-chattering production. Good call!

When u listen to the original Crystal Ball it fits perfectly alongside the rest. U oughta get a copy of Pimpsandwitch's "remaster" if u have never listened to the CB sequencing... What SOTT could have been I'd have loved Crystal Ball to have been allowed to exist in lieu of SOTT, but on the other hand one of the 2 reasons I'm glad it didn't happen is that JIR ended-up on GB. I think it SO MUCH fits there, it's in tune with the poetic/spiritual/nighclub themes of the albuma and for me it echoes Elephants & Flowers in such a sweet way! (The other reason is that it allowed The Ball to morph into Eye No, which is a fave of mine)).

Here's what I think: Come should have stayed in the vaults.Should have never been released.It's not an awful album,just an uninspired one.There is nothing exciting about it,and the general public ignored it completely.

Instead,The Gold Experience should have been released in the summer of 1994,with the strong tracks that were later removed from it ("Days Of Wild","Ripopgodazzippa","Interactive",etc).A few months earlier,"TMBGITW" was a huge hit.Imagine if he had followed up that hit single with TGE,which actually contains that very song! The album would have been a smash hit.

My (unsequenced) dream The Dawn tracklist:

ESSENTIAL TRACKS:

- Come (either #3/4 and #5 I can't choose)

- Space

- Pheromone

- Loose!

- Papa

- Race

- Dark

- Solo

- Letitgo

- Orgasm

- P Control

- Endorphinmachine

- Shhh!

- We March

- The Most beautiful Girl In The World

- Dolphin

- Now

- 319

- Shy

- Billy Jack Bitch

- I Hate U

- Gold

- Love Sign

- Interactive

- Acknowledge Me

- Ripopgodazippa

- Hide The Bone

- Days Of Wild

8 TO BE PICKED FROM THE ONES BELOW:

- What's My Name

- Calhoun Square

- Mad

- Strays Of The World

- Funky Design

- 18 & Over

- Pope (rereleased from The Hits but it belonged there)

- Peach (rereleased from The Hits, from earlier sessions but included on the unreleased Papa EP in 93, so obviously Prince felt it belonged)

- Rock & Roll Is Alive (And It Lives In Minneapolis) (only if the album had been a late 1995 release, but it would have been a perfect last minute addition)

- The Jam (the studio version, which we know exist).

I know other songs have been considered for inclusion on TGE, but I think the ones that ended on Child Of The Sun and Chaos & Disorder belong there instead, and as for the ones we only know by name, I can't say how they fit since I don't have a clue how they sound.

Anyway then we'd have had a 36 tracks 3-CD set à la Emancipation, but much "punker"

databank said:

robertgeorgeakabob said:

databank said:

When u listen to the original Crystal Ball it fits perfectly alongside the rest. U oughta get a copy of Pimpsandwitch's "remaster" if u have never listened to the CB sequencing... What SOTT could have been I'd have loved Crystal Ball to have been allowed to exist in lieu of SOTT, but on the other hand one of the 2 reasons I'm glad it didn't happen is that JIR ended-up on GB. I think it SO MUCH fits there, it's in tune with the poetic/spiritual/nighclub themes of the albuma and for me it echoes Elephants & Flowers in such a sweet way! (The other reason is that it allowed The Ball to morph into Eye No, which is a fave of mine)).

My point was not about it not fitting sequentially, but with the different feel of the production on Sign and GB. Joy on GB is given the trebly, compressed, overly loud treatment that the album suffers from, whereas Sign has that understated sub bass feel. I haven't hear the boot u mentioned. Was it recorded with a similar feel to the Sign album? Similar to the differences between the GB We Can Funk and the more organic sounding earlier versions.

Are you telling me that u're not familiar with the triple album Crystal Ball which was supposed to be released in 1987 before WB forced Prince to shorten it to a double??? It's basically an expended version of SOTT.

I was not talking sequences but sound as well. The version u have on GB is EXACTLY the same as the version on CB, prince didn't change a thing and very surprisingly it works just as well in both contexts.

databank said: