OldFriends4Sale said:

JoeTyler said:

the live band from the DM/Controversy era was like 100000 times better than the W&L version of the Revolution

You mean the D&L version better than the W&L version?

yeah

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

Seems you're right about Screams of Passion (Feline rehearsal July, studio recording August). Don't know about the rest. But it's an interesting question, don't you think? If we are going to say anything worthwhile about influence we have to be specific about dates and such.

stop paul, trying to hard u r

At least I'm not writing in princebonics

Back to the original question. People came and went. The shift from '86 to '87 didn't seem so drastic. A number of people continued the band. New addititions were already associates.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

stop paul, trying to hard u r

At least I'm not writing in princebonics

Back to the original question. People came and went. The shift from '86 to '87 didn't seem so drastic. A number of people continued the band. New addititions were already associates.

on a Prince site

trying 2 hard bud lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

databank said:

He went THAT far??? Interesting story that I can believe even though I've never read it before. If that's true that says how instrumental the Revolution was, and how little impact they had on P's creative process.

I've never heard that one.

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And even if he did that would just be a flow of how he wanted the songs. What tour from the 1980s or 1990s did Prince not a specific playlist

.

The Purple Rain tour had a few changes here in there, and then the inclusions of ATWIAD preview songs

.

But the Parade tour had a lot more changes, at times Manic Monday, Dance Electric, Alexa de Paris, impromptu guests, extended versions of the songs. And it was this period that we started to see a few aftershows and sound check performances

.

Prince has always been controlled, and even the SOTT Lovesexy shows he most likely gave the flow of songs, because even in those shows it was pretty much the same set list.

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That has no reflection on the Revolution or the SOTT bands impact on the creative process.

I think it was from a Dr Fink interview. Prince would hand out cassette tapes to everyone and say learn your part. Of course, they would refine and change parts in the rehearsals, but the basic arrangements for the tour were laid out by Prince.

[Edited 10/24/13 11:08am]

lrn36 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I've never heard that one.

.

And even if he did that would just be a flow of how he wanted the songs. What tour from the 1980s or 1990s did Prince not a specific playlist

.

The Purple Rain tour had a few changes here in there, and then the inclusions of ATWIAD preview songs

.

But the Parade tour had a lot more changes, at times Manic Monday, Dance Electric, Alexa de Paris, impromptu guests, extended versions of the songs. And it was this period that we started to see a few aftershows and sound check performances

.

Prince has always been controlled, and even the SOTT Lovesexy shows he most likely gave the flow of songs, because even in those shows it was pretty much the same set list.

.

That has no reflection on the Revolution or the SOTT bands impact on the creative process.

I think it was from a Dr Fink interview. Prince would hand out cassette tapes to everyone and say learn your part. Of course, they would refine and change parts in the rehearsals, but the basic arrangements for the tour were laid out by Prince.

[Edited 10/24/13 11:08am]

Oh I agree with that, overall it's always been like that

Even Sheila E & Mico talked about listening to the lp cuts of the songs to duplicate them live.

I think that's why a lot of the music then sound close to the album

of course, there were changes and extensions and whatnot like Erotic City lb vs 1st Avenue 6.7.1984

a lot of songs were speeded up a bit, I Wonder U extended live, the Minnesota Music Awards show where they duplicated very well the extended versions of Kiss & Love or Money

I was happy. I always thought the band itself was a weak link, especially live. When he put Sheila on drums and moved forward with the SOTT band, the live sound got more organic which I liked.

I haven't read the thread.. wanted to give my thoughts.. as I remember..

It on a radio show that I had heard about the breakup of the Revolution.

Those were the days of MTV, radio and LP records.. and Maybe you would read something in the newspaper.

Which never mattered anyways... There wasn't such Detailed information as you read on the internet...

You knew who the band memebers were from Purple Rain, watching the videos and reading the album liner notes... much of the mystery was Cool.. because you were Able to use imagination. And let's face it.. any Prince and/or Prince and the Revolution album up to that point, the main character and star was Prince.... I mean you KNEW Dirty Mind was more Band orientated then Controversy, simply because, the band's picture was inside of the record And it sounded different. It was also very apparent from the press when you read of the debut and early albums that it was this musical Mozart-genius alone in the studio, playing all the instruments, writting all the songs etc... The Lps all had it printed.. Written, Arranged, Composed and Produced by Prince or something to that matter... He let it be Known.. it was His.....

You knew from prior output, that there Would be more Prince music.

The next thing heard on radio was the "Sign O The Times" single!... It was Fantastic.. you went out and bought the 45 and 12"inch.. FLIP it Over.. and we had "La La La He He Hee"!! OK.. now there was excitement for the album!! I think it was pretty much at the point... "The Revolution" wasn't even a part of the thought process... It was like.. Fuck it.. it's Prince and this is GOOD.

I think if anything.. an eyebrow raised when the announcement came about of Prince and The New Power Generation....

Then again.. Who cares.. it's Prince

sovembol said:

I haven't read the thread.. wanted to give my thoughts.. as I remember..

It on a radio show that I had heard about the breakup of the Revolution.

Those were the days of MTV, radio and LP records.. and Maybe you would read something in the newspaper.

Which never mattered anyways... There wasn't such Detailed information as you read on the internet...

You knew who the band memebers were from Purple Rain, watching the videos and reading the album liner notes... much of the mystery was Cool.. because you were Able to use imagination. And let's face it.. any Prince and/or Prince and the Revolution album up to that point, the main character and star was Prince.... I mean you KNEW Dirty Mind was more Band orientated then Controversy, simply because, the band's picture was inside of the record And it sounded different. It was also very apparent from the press when you read of the debut and early albums that it was this musical Mozart-genius alone in the studio, playing all the instruments, writting all the songs etc... The Lps all had it printed.. Written, Arranged, Composed and Produced by Prince or something to that matter... He let it be Known.. it was His.....

You knew from prior output, that there Would be more Prince music.

The next thing heard on radio was the "Sign O The Times" single!... It was Fantastic.. you went out and bought the 45 and 12"inch.. FLIP it Over.. and we had "La La La He He Hee"!! OK.. now there was excitement for the album!! I think it was pretty much at the point... "The Revolution" wasn't even a part of the thought process... It was like.. Fuck it.. it's Prince and this is GOOD.

I think if anything.. an eyebrow raised when the announcement came about of Prince and The New Power Generation....

Then again.. Who cares.. it's Prince

But we might not have known mostly then, but years later that much of the SOTT album was from an album to be called the Dream Factory -by Prince & the Revolution, which means they were very much a part of the 'process'

.

as well as Susannah Melvoin co-leed on Play In the Sunshine (and Rock Hard In a Funky Place)

.

the Revolution with Jill Jones & Sheila E on It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night(live from the Parade tour) music co-written by Dr. Fink & Eric Leeds

.

Wendy & Lisa Coleman on Strange Relationships (like New Position a song of his from 1981 they pulled out and worked on ...Prince even mentioned it in a 1985 interview of them working on Old Friends 4 Sale & Strange Relationship. tambourine & congas / sitar & wooden flute..

.

Slow Love (Carol Davis) but featuring Wendy guitar & backing vocals & Lisa backing vocals

.

Starfish & Coffee co-written by Susannah Melvoin

and that's all just what we were given by the credits

.

so all that sorta continued the confusion for me until BY KURT LODER [Interview Magazine] review of the SOTT show in Europe

OldFriends4Sale said:

sovembol said:

I haven't read the thread.. wanted to give my thoughts.. as I remember..

It on a radio show that I had heard about the breakup of the Revolution.

Those were the days of MTV, radio and LP records.. and Maybe you would read something in the newspaper.

Which never mattered anyways... There wasn't such Detailed information as you read on the internet...

You knew who the band memebers were from Purple Rain, watching the videos and reading the album liner notes... much of the mystery was Cool.. because you were Able to use imagination. And let's face it.. any Prince and/or Prince and the Revolution album up to that point, the main character and star was Prince.... I mean you KNEW Dirty Mind was more Band orientated then Controversy, simply because, the band's picture was inside of the record And it sounded different. It was also very apparent from the press when you read of the debut and early albums that it was this musical Mozart-genius alone in the studio, playing all the instruments, writting all the songs etc... The Lps all had it printed.. Written, Arranged, Composed and Produced by Prince or something to that matter... He let it be Known.. it was His.....

You knew from prior output, that there Would be more Prince music.

The next thing heard on radio was the "Sign O The Times" single!... It was Fantastic.. you went out and bought the 45 and 12"inch.. FLIP it Over.. and we had "La La La He He Hee"!! OK.. now there was excitement for the album!! I think it was pretty much at the point... "The Revolution" wasn't even a part of the thought process... It was like.. Fuck it.. it's Prince and this is GOOD.

I think if anything.. an eyebrow raised when the announcement came about of Prince and The New Power Generation....

Then again.. Who cares.. it's Prince

But we might not have known mostly then, but years later that much of the SOTT album was from an album to be called the Dream Factory -by Prince & the Revolution, which means they were very much a part of the 'process'

.

as well as Susannah Melvoin co-leed on Play In the Sunshine (and Rock Hard In a Funky Place)

.

the Revolution with Jill Jones & Sheila E on It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night(live from the Parade tour) music co-written by Dr. Fink & Eric Leeds

.

Wendy & Lisa Coleman on Strange Relationships (like New Position a song of his from 1981 they pulled out and worked on ...Prince even mentioned it in a 1985 interview of them working on Old Friends 4 Sale & Strange Relationship. tambourine & congas / sitar & wooden flute..

.

Slow Love (Carol Davis) but featuring Wendy guitar & backing vocals & Lisa backing vocals

.

Starfish & Coffee co-written by Susannah Melvoin

and that's all just what we were given by the credits

.

so all that sorta continued the confusion for me until BY KURT LODER [Interview Magazine] review of the SOTT show in Europe

5 songs with minor input by former bandmates isn't much. In fact it's almost nothing.

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But we might not have known mostly then, but years later that much of the SOTT album was from an album to be called the Dream Factory -by Prince & the Revolution, which means they were very much a part of the 'process'

.

as well as Susannah Melvoin co-leed on Play In the Sunshine (and Rock Hard In a Funky Place)

.

the Revolution with Jill Jones & Sheila E on It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night(live from the Parade tour) music co-written by Dr. Fink & Eric Leeds

.

Wendy & Lisa Coleman on Strange Relationships (like New Position a song of his from 1981 they pulled out and worked on ...Prince even mentioned it in a 1985 interview of them working on Old Friends 4 Sale & Strange Relationship. tambourine & congas / sitar & wooden flute..

.

Slow Love (Carol Davis) but featuring Wendy guitar & backing vocals & Lisa backing vocals

.

Starfish & Coffee co-written by Susannah Melvoin

and that's all just what we were given by the credits

.

so all that sorta continued the confusion for me until BY KURT LODER [Interview Magazine] review of the SOTT show in Europe

5 songs with minor input by former bandmates isn't much. In fact it's almost nothing.

You keep missing my points in order to continue what your doing

the person who I was comm with said, the Revolution wasn't a part of the process, which just these few things show they were, and as I said before which you continue to overlook that most of these songs were actually a part of an album called the Dream Factory, which these people were most definately a part of the process.

+ that many of those songs were inspired by a particular Susannah Melvoin

OldFriends4Sale said:

I had disappointing feeling of the disbanding of the Revolution and the Lovesexy band.

I mean with all the talk about them, before they even got started they were done ...

When the Batman videos/music started coming out I saw no Cat, No Sheila E. Dr Fink popped into the Party Man video near the end, Mico was still there, No Boni, No Eric or Atlanta Bliss

the changes didn't do well 4 me, too much change isn't always a good thing

And its my personal feeling that I just love all of them from that 1980 period.

I remember in early 1989,there was talk that the Lovesexy Band was over,and that Prince was,once again,gonna start over with a new line-up.I felt that there was so much magic created with that band,so I was kinda sad to hear that news I don't think that any of the other bands that came after can compete with the Lovesexy Band.

Nervos and a little excited! I remember it was a small blurb in the local (Las Cruces NM news paper) that had a photo of Prince from 1979, and it said something about how Prince had disbaned the band so he could go into a "new musical direction."

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I had disappointing feeling of the disbanding of the Revolution and the Lovesexy band.

I mean with all the talk about them, before they even got started they were done ...

When the Batman videos/music started coming out I saw no Cat, No Sheila E. Dr Fink popped into the Party Man video near the end, Mico was still there, No Boni, No Eric or Atlanta Bliss

the changes didn't do well 4 me, too much change isn't always a good thing

And its my personal feeling that I just love all of them from that 1980 period.

I remember in early 1989,there was talk that the Lovesexy Band was over,and that Prince was,once again,gonna start over with a new line-up.I felt that there was so much magic created with that band,so I was kinda sad to hear that news I don't think that any of the other bands that came after can compete with the Lovesexy Band.

I totally agree

People can say what they want, but I feel that because they also were a part of that Purple era of 1984-1986 mostly that it had an effect on the chemistry, that they weren't 'new' to the Prince camp except 4 Cat. Which is another reason I was endeared to them.

After them it just didn't have the character anymore

OldFriends4Sale said:

the person who I was comm with said, the Revolution wasn't a part of the process, which just these few things show they were, and as I said before which you continue to overlook that most of these songs were actually a part of an album called the Dream Factory, which these people were most definately a part of the process.

+ that many of those songs were inspired by a particular Susannah Melvoin

Isn't that like saying that 3121 is a '95 era NPG album because Sonny & Michael are on a couple songs?

Also, Susannah as an inspiration has little to do with The Revolution as the band.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

djThunderfunk said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the person who I was comm with said, the Revolution wasn't a part of the process, which just these few things show they were, and as I said before which you continue to overlook that most of these songs were actually a part of an album called the Dream Factory, which these people were most definately a part of the process.

+ that many of those songs were inspired by a particular Susannah Melvoin

Isn't that like saying that 3121 is a '95 era NPG album because Sonny & Michael are on a couple songs?

Also, Susannah as an inspiration has little to do with The Revolution as the band.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

I'm not really following it either--yes, many of thesongs were planned to be on Dream Factory, and Dream Factory would have been credited to Prince and the Revolution. But many solo songs (or songs with very little non-Prince contribution) were co-credited. Depending on Prince's mood at the time, several songs with just as much non-Prince contribution would be co-credited with whatever band name he was using. Certainly there were with the Revolution and with subsequent bands recordings that justify co-crediting (if he wanted to do so)--but he could just as well release them without the performing artist co-credit. It all seems pretty arbitrary to me. I liked the core Revolution, I felt more of a band-feel to them than most other bands Prince has had--but whether Dream Factory would have been credited to Prince and the Revolution or not doesn't seem that significant. Heck, according to Princevault, Dream Factory (the song) didn't have any Revolution input (yes, Susannah's on background vocals, but that wouldn't really mean "and the Revolution," would it?) Much of the album would have been solo, or contained very minor contributions from others. This is the case with the other Revolution albums, and with the New Power Generation albums. The bands have some influence, occasionally significant influence, in the making of specific tracks--and I think Prince "writes for" the people he has around him, trying to play on their strengths in recording or (probably more importantly) live situations. But much of what I like in "the Revolution" has more to do with Prince's youth and desire to make his mark, and how that drove him beyond the comfortable, than in any definite contribution from the band--similar things matter with the mid-90's NPG. Much of what I dislike about later NPG's has to do with Prince's own feeling of comfort--he was okay with being an established legend, offering music that had as its greatest recommendation that it was "real" and by "real musicans" rather than that it was "interesting" or "good" or "compelling" or anything that many people who maybe weren't "real" (whatever he really meant by that) were managing to do with their own music.

That said--I'm also just nostalgic for the Revolution because, hey--I was a teenager then, and I'm in my forties now. I felt a lot more intensely about a lot of things, including music. I don't care about the most incredible things I first hear now (no matter when they're from) as I did back then.

I really liked Prince & The Revolution because they were a group that had a Sly & The Family Stone type of vibe to it. Also in my opinion, it is because of the Revolution, it took his career to higher heights, to his peak.

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

5 songs with minor input by former bandmates isn't much. In fact it's almost nothing.

You keep missing my points in order to continue what your doing

the person who I was comm with said, the Revolution wasn't a part of the process, which just these few things show they were, and as I said before which you continue to overlook that most of these songs were actually a part of an album called the Dream Factory, which these people were most definately a part of the process.

+ that many of those songs were inspired by a particular Susannah Melvoin

Or so they say..

Aaron6 said:

I was 12 years old at the time. I was shocked yet excited about the release of the Sign o' the times Album & movie , which was a GREAT project .

OldFriends4Sale said:

sovembol said:

I haven't read the thread.. wanted to give my thoughts.. as I remember..

It on a radio show that I had heard about the breakup of the Revolution.

Those were the days of MTV, radio and LP records.. and Maybe you would read something in the newspaper.

Which never mattered anyways... There wasn't such Detailed information as you read on the internet...

You knew who the band memebers were from Purple Rain, watching the videos and reading the album liner notes... much of the mystery was Cool.. because you were Able to use imagination. And let's face it.. any Prince and/or Prince and the Revolution album up to that point, the main character and star was Prince.... I mean you KNEW Dirty Mind was more Band orientated then Controversy, simply because, the band's picture was inside of the record And it sounded different. It was also very apparent from the press when you read of the debut and early albums that it was this musical Mozart-genius alone in the studio, playing all the instruments, writting all the songs etc... The Lps all had it printed.. Written, Arranged, Composed and Produced by Prince or something to that matter... He let it be Known.. it was His.....

You knew from prior output, that there Would be more Prince music.

The next thing heard on radio was the "Sign O The Times" single!... It was Fantastic.. you went out and bought the 45 and 12"inch.. FLIP it Over.. and we had "La La La He He Hee"!! OK.. now there was excitement for the album!! I think it was pretty much at the point... "The Revolution" wasn't even a part of the thought process... It was like.. Fuck it.. it's Prince and this is GOOD.

I think if anything.. an eyebrow raised when the announcement came about of Prince and The New Power Generation....

Then again.. Who cares.. it's Prince

But we might not have known mostly then, but years later that much of the SOTT album was from an album to be called the Dream Factory -by Prince & the Revolution, which means they were very much a part of the 'process'

.

as well as Susannah Melvoin co-leed on Play In the Sunshine (and Rock Hard In a Funky Place)

.

the Revolution with Jill Jones & Sheila E on It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night(live from the Parade tour) music co-written by Dr. Fink & Eric Leeds

.

Wendy & Lisa Coleman on Strange Relationships (like New Position a song of his from 1981 they pulled out and worked on ...Prince even mentioned it in a 1985 interview of them working on Old Friends 4 Sale & Strange Relationship. tambourine & congas / sitar & wooden flute..

.

Slow Love (Carol Davis) but featuring Wendy guitar & backing vocals & Lisa backing vocals

.

Starfish & Coffee co-written by Susannah Melvoin

and that's all just what we were given by the credits

.

so all that sorta continued the confusion for me until BY KURT LODER [Interview Magazine] review of the SOTT show in Europe

Tru... IF and IF!!! Dream Factory followed Parada.. I would have cummed cupcake sprinkles.. but SOTT had the same effect.. no Wrong doing Either way.. without SOTT we wouldn't have the bootleg that so makes us Part of that 'Dream Factory' that makes me us wonder what if....

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

5 songs with minor input by former bandmates isn't much. In fact it's almost nothing.

You keep missing my points in order to continue what your doing

the person who I was comm with said, the Revolution wasn't a part of the process, which just these few things show they were, and as I said before which you continue to overlook that most of these songs were actually a part of an album called the Dream Factory, which these people were most definately a part of the process.

+ that many of those songs were inspired by a particular Susannah Melvoin

I was 13..lmao... OP asked what Old Timers thought..lmao...

djThunderfunk said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the person who I was comm with said, the Revolution wasn't a part of the process, which just these few things show they were, and as I said before which you continue to overlook that most of these songs were actually a part of an album called the Dream Factory, which these people were most definately a part of the process.

+ that many of those songs were inspired by a particular Susannah Melvoin

Isn't that like saying that 3121 is a '95 era NPG album because Sonny & Michael are on a couple songs?

Also, Susannah as an inspiration has little to do with The Revolution as the band.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

What I was replying to was the posters comment that the Revolution wasn't a part of the process, which is not true, that's what my comment was directed at. SOTT and many of the others were actually a part of the thought process called the Dream Factory

.

the fact that they were on the SOTT album and a live Revolution song from Parade was on the album, just means they were a part of the process. {and yes Susannah Eric & Atlanta} were members of the Revolution:that peach piece Cat wore Prince designed for Susannah, Susannah was a vocalist on the project, and created the artwork for the album

EddieC said:

djThunderfunk said:

Isn't that like saying that 3121 is a '95 era NPG album because Sonny & Michael are on a couple songs?

Also, Susannah as an inspiration has little to do with The Revolution as the band.

In my not-so-humble opinion, of course...

I'm not really following it either--yes, many of thesongs were planned to be on Dream Factory, and Dream Factory would have been credited to Prince and the Revolution. But many solo songs (or songs with very little non-Prince contribution) were co-credited. Depending on Prince's mood at the time, several songs with just as much non-Prince contribution would be co-credited with whatever band name he was using. Certainly there were with the Revolution and with subsequent bands recordings that justify co-crediting (if he wanted to do so)--but he could just as well release them without the performing artist co-credit. It all seems pretty arbitrary to me. I liked the core Revolution, I felt more of a band-feel to them than most other bands Prince has had--but whether Dream Factory would have been credited to Prince and the Revolution or not doesn't seem that significant. Heck, according to Princevault, Dream Factory (the song) didn't have any Revolution input (yes, Susannah's on background vocals, but that wouldn't really mean "and the Revolution," would it?) Much of the album would have been solo, or contained very minor contributions from others. This is the case with the other Revolution albums, and with the New Power Generation albums. The bands have some influence, occasionally significant influence, in the making of specific tracks--and I think Prince "writes for" the people he has around him, trying to play on their strengths in recording or (probably more importantly) live situations. But much of what I like in "the Revolution" has more to do with Prince's youth and desire to make his mark, and how that drove him beyond the comfortable, than in any definite contribution from the band--similar things matter with the mid-90's NPG. Much of what I dislike about later NPG's has to do with Prince's own feeling of comfort--he was okay with being an established legend, offering music that had as its greatest recommendation that it was "real" and by "real musicans" rather than that it was "interesting" or "good" or "compelling" or anything that many people who maybe weren't "real" (whatever he really meant by that) were managing to do with their own music.

That said--I'm also just nostalgic for the Revolution because, hey--I was a teenager then, and I'm in my forties now. I felt a lot more intensely about a lot of things, including music. I don't care about the most incredible things I first hear now (no matter when they're from) as I did back then.

go back to my first comment and why I said what I said. I replied to a comment that the Revolution wasn't a part of the process,,, Was the Revolution a part of the process weither it was 1 member or all?

Some of you really need to get out of Susannah's and the Revolutions A$$. They were not the best band Prince has ever had and Susannah was not his Greatest Love (dude never stopped banging other chicks on a regular) Please stop romanticing these relationships, geesh. I get soooooooooooooooo tired of hearing people on this board say that the Time, The Family, The Revolution made Prince. GTFOH, Prince is The Time, The Family and The Revolution (sh#@ even Sheila E. was his creation, no matter how she or anyone else tries to spin it). None of these people would have the careers/life they have now without Prince. None of these people have went on and created any groundbreaking materials. Prince made Prince, if you did not know who Prince was b4 When Doves Cry, you sure as hell knew who he was after you heard that song. When Doves Cry put him on that map and the movie/soundtrack and subsequent tour just solidified him. Did the people around him contribute, of course, that can be said about everyone in the entertainment industry. But is the bulk of Prince's work/vision just Prince, yes and yes

To me, it seems that Prince has always had a plan/vision on how he wanted the world to view his music. None of these people came up with the idea to put Prince in a film. None of these people came up with the idea, Hey let's record these songs live for the soundtrack. His band is just that his band. I never bought a Prince and The Revolution album or wanted to go to a Prince and The Revolution concert. I bought a Prince album and wanted to see Prince in concert, who was in his band was irrelevant.

As someone previously said, some of you really need to take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to these peoples. Dude was in his 20's in the 80's, he moved different, thought different and sang differently then.

Again if Wendy/Lisa were these fantastic writers/musicians that some of you on here wants everyone to believe, then where are their number 1 records/album. Ok, since they are definitely not the best singers, then where are the number 1 songs that they wrote for other people. Hmmmm, I am going to go out on limb and say maybe, they are/were only as good as the band leader they kept from 84-86.

I love The Rebels, The Revolution, SOTT/Lovesexy Band, The NPG and 3rdeyeGirl!!! But when these bands were/will be no more, it did not make or break me one way or the other, cuz Prince is the only relevant factor and the only reason why I know any of their names.

u are all forgetting .. prince was sold as a one man band .. otherwise nobody and I mean NOBODY would have bought his first record .. once this selling point was engrained with the public it continued .. every thing had to say it was written by prince even if it was not .. often prince and band would come up with songs that prince would then record by himself .. prince is NOTORIOUS for not giving credit where credit is due .. and much of his protege work was heavily collaborated with lisa coleman and others .. whatever extent to which u all believe or do not believe one fact remains .. there was a LARGE group of musicians who contributed both on and off record .. both credited and uncredited to prince first 10 years .. the good years .. the REVOLUTION YEARS .. and ever since prince music has been poo save for some old reworked songs from the past such as joy in repetition or crystal ball

it did not phase me when prince dropped the revolution .. i was a fan but had no clue about the inner workings at the time .. but I am sure we can all agree .. how could we not .. that PRINCE IS NOTHING WITHOUT THE REVOLUTION .. from lovesexy forward his records got sketchy and bad and eventually completely unlistenable ... the revolution was no set line up .. it was a whole community that got behind prince to push him to be the star so they could all have jobs and let their music be heard ... prince ego killed the revolution and it killed prince legacy ... he will always have those first 10 records plus the b sides and protege work from that period .. he will always be known as great during that time .. but prince will also always be known as a fucking joke from that point forward .. yes we all cringed thru tony m just to get a little moment like money dont matter .. but after wb prince compeletely fell off into self absorbed diarhea .. sad but true

PurpleLotusFlower said:

Some of you really need to get out of Susannah's and the Revolutions A$$. They were not the best band Prince has ever had and Susannah was not his Greatest Love (dude never stopped banging other chicks on a regular) Please stop romanticing these relationships, geesh. I get soooooooooooooooo tired of hearing people on this board say that the Time, The Family, The Revolution made Prince. GTFOH, Prince is The Time, The Family and The Revolution (sh#@ even Sheila E. was his creation, no matter how she or anyone else tries to spin it). None of these people would have the careers/life they have now without Prince. None of these people have went on and created any groundbreaking materials. Prince made Prince, if you did not know who Prince was b4 When Doves Cry, you sure as hell knew who he was after you heard that song. When Doves Cry put him on that map and the movie/soundtrack and subsequent tour just solidified him. Did the people around him contribute, of course, that can be said about everyone in the entertainment industry. But is the bulk of Prince's work/vision just Prince, yes and yes

To me, it seems that Prince has always had a plan/vision on how he wanted the world to view his music. None of these people came up with the idea to put Prince in a film. None of these people came up with the idea, Hey let's record these songs live for the soundtrack. His band is just that his band. I never bought a Prince and The Revolution album or wanted to go to a Prince and The Revolution concert. I bought a Prince album and wanted to see Prince in concert, who was in his band was irrelevant.

As someone previously said, some of you really need to take off the rose tinted glasses when it comes to these peoples. Dude was in his 20's in the 80's, he moved different, thought different and sang differently then.

Again if Wendy/Lisa were these fantastic writers/musicians that some of you on here wants everyone to believe, then where are their number 1 records/album. Ok, since they are definitely not the best singers, then where are the number 1 songs that they wrote for other people. Hmmmm, I am going to go out on limb and say maybe, they are/were only as good as the band leader they kept from 84-86.

I love The Rebels, The Revolution, SOTT/Lovesexy Band, The NPG and 3rdeyeGirl!!! But when these bands were/will be no more, it did not make or break me one way or the other, cuz Prince is the only relevant factor and the only reason why I know any of their names.

No one in this thread said any of that soooooooo

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I hate when people jump into the end tale of a discussion, not understanding what someone was replying too... I'm definately not saying and you can't quote me anywhere as saying any of these people made Prince.

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Even Prince to this day, knows who those in his band and how they looked meant something, the way they dressed and all.

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It has ALWAYS been the image, the look along with the music. And Prince knew that. And to this day he still tries to project that. So anyone thinking it's always and only been about Prince and just the music is missing the whole concept of Prince.