Launch.com talks about Santana/Larry Graham copyright issue

Launch has picked up on the Santana copyright "issue"...



Prince Wonders About Santana/Larry Graham 'Copyright
Infringement' edited by Craig Rosen



(8/16/00, 7 a.m. ET) - Prince has decided to take his fight
for artist's rights and control of their music in a new
direction. A post at npgonlineltd.com asks the question,
"Would this b copyright infringement?," then features a bit
of the song "Calling" from Santana's 1999 album Supernatural,
followed by an incredibly-similar sounding piece of music
called "People" from Larry Graham's 1973 album Graham
Central Station.



Three months ago today (August 16), Prince was in a
seemingly better mood about this subject when he said,
"Carlos Santana has a song of Larry Graham's on his album.
It's called 'The Calling.' He didn't give Larry credit for
that. Now, they're both brothers of mine, and they've both
inspired me a great deal, so I'm in the middle of it,
'cause I'm, you know. . . we all sit together in a room; we
talk, we hang out, and we play. Now, this is no dis on
Carlos, because Carlos has acknowledged that that song's on
there. He hasn't done it publicly yet, but I'm helpin' him
along right here today. And again, you know, I love Carlos
like a brother."



Santana's management was unaware of the issue at press time
and declined to comment.



-- Bruce Simon, New York

I remember hearing Prince's press conference from whom these quotes came from on May 16, 2000 and looking back: Prince was out of his mind calling out Santana for not acknowledging sampling Larry Graham's song, when 1.) He has sampled before 2.) The number of people who have alleged that Prince used musical ideas without proper credit.

why did you post this crap..


"npgonlineltd.com" >>>> this is very, very OLD news...

and nonsense too, Prince looks like a complete fool in cases like this.

Prince has never done that sort of thing you see, so he is definately justified in having the high ground when it comes to such matters.

I know this is "old news" and all but. . .

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Why didn't Larry take it up with Carlos himself? Does Larry lack the cojones?

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Hopefully, if it was a do-over, Prince wouldn't get in the middle and would stay out of it. Hopefully, he would tell Larry to grow a pair (if the situation bothered him) and speak to Carlos himself like a grown man & supposed "friend" of Mr. Santana. Just my .

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No, I'm not justifying what Prince may or may not have done in the past with such matters. I'm just saying, if it bothered Larry, Larry should go to Carlos himself. He doesn't need a go between. Prince may look like a fool but so does Larry.

Tempest said:

I know this is "old news" and all but. . .

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Why didn't Larry take it up with Carlos himself? Does Larry lack the cojones?

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Hopefully, if it was a do-over, Prince wouldn't get in the middle and would stay out of it. Hopefully, he would tell Larry to grow a pair (if the situation bothered him) and speak to Carlos himself like a grown man & supposed "friend" of Mr. Santana. Just my .

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No, I'm not justifying what Prince may or may not have done in the past with such matters. I'm just saying, if it bothered Larry, Larry should go to Carlos himself. He doesn't need a go between. Prince may look like a fool but so does Larry.

They way P went about it was wrong but Santana did rip off that song from Graham. As far as people making accusations about Prince. Why has no one ever just sued him? I get tired of the protegees and former band mates bitching and never taking dude to court. I also do not see how Prince being accused of ripping people off means he should have said or done nothing in the Graham case. Maybe if someone would have actually proven that P had ripped them off in a court you guys might have a point.

OK, Santana ripped off a song from Graham. Soooooooo, why didn't Graham take it up with Santana? They're supposedly friends, right? That would have been the proper & appropriate thing to do.

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Here's the reason. . . .Larry doesn't have the cojones. He was gonna let Prince take care of it for him. Larry didn't want to get his hands dirty or tarnish his 'wonderful reputation' (which is fake btw). Please spare me. He'd rather complain to Prince and let his 'lil bro' take care of it for him. What a shmuck.

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Grow a pair Larry!

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About Prince ripping people off. . . I'll be honest and tell you that I have no idea if he has or he hasn't. If he has, then it doesn't make it OK to do that just because no one has taken him to court. P should look inward and see if the accusations are true. And, if they are true, then he needs to remember that there's a higher court called God's court that's looking down on him and seeing everything that's going on. In other words, God sees. If he has been ripping people off, he needs to go to the people and make it right and go to God and do the same.

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If he hasn't been ripping people off, then he needs to stand up and defend himself by issuing a statement or whatever. If they're just bitching to bitch with no grounds to stand on, than he needs to stand up and speak the truth. The "grounds" are not estabished by whether or not someone is willing to take you to court. The "grounds" should be established by one's conscience (as a believer). If he knows inwardly that he has done those things, than his conscience should get the better of him and he should do the honorable thing.

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I have been a victim of SERIOUS lies and it really hurts especially when it's coming from people "close to you". It hurts DEEPLY! ! !

Tempest said:

OK, Santana ripped off a song from Graham. Soooooooo, why didn't Graham take it up with Santana? They're supposedly friends, right? That would have been the proper & appropriate thing to do.

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Here's the reason. . . .Larry doesn't have the cojones. He was gonna let Prince take care of it for him. Larry didn't want to get his hands dirty or tarnish his 'wonderful reputation' (which is fake btw). Please spare me. He'd rather complain to Prince and let his 'lil bro' take care of it for him. What a shmuck.

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Grow a pair Larry!

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About Prince ripping people off. . . I'll be honest and tell you that I have no idea if he has or he hasn't. If he has, then it doesn't make it OK to do that just because no one has taken him to court. P should look inward and see if the accusations are true. And, if they are true, then he needs to remember that there's a higher court called God's court that's looking down on him and seeing everything that's going on. In other words, God sees. If he has been ripping people off, he needs to go to the people and make it right and go to God and do the same.

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If he hasn't been ripping people off, then he needs to stand up and defend himself by issuing a statement or whatever. If they're just bitching to bitch with no grounds to stand on, than he needs to stand up and speak the truth. The "grounds" are not estabished by whether or not someone is willing to take you to court. The "grounds" should be established by one's conscience (as a believer). If he knows inwardly that he has done those things, than his conscience should get the better of him and he should do the honorable thing.

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I have been a victim of SERIOUS lies and it really hurts especially when it's coming from people "close to you". It hurts DEEPLY! ! !

Or perhaps Larry has testicles but doesn't give tat much of a damn. More likely is given how fucking HORRIBLE that Santana record is Larry probably hadn't heard it before Prince got involved.

Why the hell are you so fixated on Larry's balls? Maybe he just didn't care enough to bother with lawyers. Who cares about Larry's gonads, man? Larry has them or he doesn't. Why should it bother you one way or another?

Your fetish with Larry's nutsack is the REAL story here.

steakfinger said:

Tempest said:

OK, Santana ripped off a song from Graham. Soooooooo, why didn't Graham take it up with Santana? They're supposedly friends, right? That would have been the proper & appropriate thing to do.

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Here's the reason. . . .Larry doesn't have the cojones. He was gonna let Prince take care of it for him. Larry didn't want to get his hands dirty or tarnish his 'wonderful reputation' (which is fake btw). Please spare me. He'd rather complain to Prince and let his 'lil bro' take care of it for him. What a shmuck.

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Grow a pair Larry!

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About Prince ripping people off. . . I'll be honest and tell you that I have no idea if he has or he hasn't. If he has, then it doesn't make it OK to do that just because no one has taken him to court. P should look inward and see if the accusations are true. And, if they are true, then he needs to remember that there's a higher court called God's court that's looking down on him and seeing everything that's going on. In other words, God sees. If he has been ripping people off, he needs to go to the people and make it right and go to God and do the same.

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If he hasn't been ripping people off, then he needs to stand up and defend himself by issuing a statement or whatever. If they're just bitching to bitch with no grounds to stand on, than he needs to stand up and speak the truth. The "grounds" are not estabished by whether or not someone is willing to take you to court. The "grounds" should be established by one's conscience (as a believer). If he knows inwardly that he has done those things, than his conscience should get the better of him and he should do the honorable thing.

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I have been a victim of SERIOUS lies and it really hurts especially when it's coming from people "close to you". It hurts DEEPLY! ! !

Or perhaps Larry has testicles but doesn't give tat much of a damn. More likely is given how fucking HORRIBLE that Santana record is Larry probably hadn't heard it before Prince got involved.

Why the hell are you so fixated on Larry's balls? Maybe he just didn't care enough to bother with lawyers. Who cares about Larry's gonads, man? Larry has them or he doesn't. Why should it bother you one way or another?

Your fetish with Larry's nutsack is the REAL story here.

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I could care less about Larry's nutsack. It's an expression.

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Why should it bother me? It doesn't. I was expressing my opinion. Are we still allowed to do that in this forum or is that against the rules? Please let me know, K?

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Larry hadn't heard it? Please. He and Prince didn't at least discuss it? I highly doubt that.

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I didn't say that Larry had to involve lawyers. I said, supposedly, they're all friends. Correct? Friends can deal with friends directly without getting lawyers involved.

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[Edited 10/21/13 11:12am]

@steakfinger

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I think the bigger question is, why are you so concerned & heated about my opinion? After all, you don't know me and that's all it is. . . .my opinion. Something that you shouldn't be taking personally. My comments weren't about you.

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Nuff said.

Tempest said:

OK, Santana ripped off a song from Graham. Soooooooo, why didn't Graham take it up with Santana? They're supposedly friends, right? That would have been the proper & appropriate thing to do.

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Here's the reason. . . .Larry doesn't have the cojones. He was gonna let Prince take care of it for him. Larry didn't want to get his hands dirty or tarnish his 'wonderful reputation' (which is fake btw). Please spare me. He'd rather complain to Prince and let his 'lil bro' take care of it for him. What a shmuck.

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Grow a pair Larry!

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About Prince ripping people off. . . I'll be honest and tell you that I have no idea if he has or he hasn't. If he has, then it doesn't make it OK to do that just because no one has taken him to court. P should look inward and see if the accusations are true. And, if they are true, then he needs to remember that there's a higher court called God's court that's looking down on him and seeing everything that's going on. In other words, God sees. If he has been ripping people off, he needs to go to the people and make it right and go to God and do the same.

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If he hasn't been ripping people off, then he needs to stand up and defend himself by issuing a statement or whatever. If they're just bitching to bitch with no grounds to stand on, than he needs to stand up and speak the truth. The "grounds" are not estabished by whether or not someone is willing to take you to court. The "grounds" should be established by one's conscience (as a believer). If he knows inwardly that he has done those things, than his conscience should get the better of him and he should do the honorable thing.

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I have been a victim of SERIOUS lies and it really hurts especially when it's coming from people "close to you". It hurts DEEPLY! ! !

Here's the reason. . . .Larry doesn't have the cojones. He was gonna let Prince take care of it for him. Larry didn't want to get his hands dirty or tarnish his 'wonderful reputation' (which is fake btw). Please spare me. He'd rather complain to Prince and let his 'lil bro' take care of it for him. What a shmuck.

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You have no way of knowing if any of this is true but do not let your lack of knowledge stop you (LOL)

My guess (and it is a guess) is that P just stepped up to help a friend. I am sorry if that means Larry has no balls to you. ( Stop worrying about dude’s balls)

About Prince ripping people off. . . I'll be honest and tell you that I have no idea if he has or he hasn't. If he has, then it doesn't make it OK to do that just because no one has taken him to court. P should look inward and see if the accusations are true. And, if they are true, then he needs to remember that there's a higher court called God's court that's looking down on him and seeing everything that's going on. In other words, God sees. If he has been ripping people off, he needs to go to the people and make it right and go to God and do the same.

Good lord !! We live in a land of laws. If someone wrongs you have a right to press charges or sued them. You can go to the media and bitch and moan but at the end of the day you have to prove your accusations and if you do not you get nothing.

People can get satisfaction out of knowing that God is the ultimate judge but it is does not make you any less foolish if you are complaining and doing nothing to resolve the situation.

If he hasn't been ripping people off, then he needs to stand up and defend himself by issuing a statement or whatever. If they're just bitching to bitch with no grounds to stand on, than he needs to stand up and speak the truth. The "grounds" are not estabished by whether or not someone is willing to take you to court. The "grounds" should be established by one's conscience (as a believer). If he knows inwardly that he has done those things, than his conscience should get the better of him and he should do the honorable thing.

Silence is golden. Protesting and complaining about it would only make things worst. He handles this stuff really well by being quite.

I have been a victim of SERIOUS lies and it really hurts especially when it's coming from people "close to you". It hurts DEEPLY! ! !

Seek help

[Edited 10/22/13 5:29am]

Tempest said:

@steakfinger

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I think the bigger question is, why are you so concerned & heated about my opinion? After all, you don't know me and that's all it is. . . .my opinion. Something that you shouldn't be taking personally. My comments weren't about you.

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Nuff said.

No worries. I'm not heated. I certainly come across that way, though. You were commenting on Larry's balls quite a lot so I commented on your desire to figure out Larry's balls. Your opinion seemed to be that Lary lacked balls in this matter and you mentioned his testicles a number of times. I merely offered up some alternate possibilities while defending Larry's scrotum.

I know that sounds snarky, but I truly wasn't heated in a any way. It's not every day that a conversation about sperm-producing organs pops up on Tha Org. Frankly, I'd rather read about various current and former Prince-related folks balls than the usual vacuous nonsense that gets discussed here. I guess I should be thanking you for the entertaining read.

'Nuff said - Stan Lee

steakfinger said:

Tempest said:

@steakfinger

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I think the bigger question is, why are you so concerned & heated about my opinion? After all, you don't know me and that's all it is. . . .my opinion. Something that you shouldn't be taking personally. My comments weren't about you.

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Nuff said.

No worries. I'm not heated. I certainly come across that way, though. You were commenting on Larry's balls quite a lot so I commented on your desire to figure out Larry's balls. Your opinion seemed to be that Lary lacked balls in this matter and you mentioned his testicles a number of times. I merely offered up some alternate possibilities while defending Larry's scrotum.

I know that sounds snarky, but I truly wasn't heated in a any way. It's not every day that a conversation about sperm-producing organs pops up on Tha Org. Frankly, I'd rather read about various current and former Prince-related folks balls than the usual vacuous nonsense that gets discussed here. I guess I should be thanking you for the entertaining read.

'Nuff said - Stan Lee

Too funny