dizzidecazz said:

idas said:

and your album is coming out when?

I have gold records, top ten singles and several ARIA nominations (the Australian equivalent to the Grammys) but they're from days gone by. My best work is behind me. I have a family and that's where my energies go these days. Don't make assumptions about people you've never met.

You are on this board and you are making plenty of assumptions about a person you have never met.

purple1968 said:

funksterr said:

She's Always In My Hair, is a fairly decent clip, though I feel like the performance was HEAVILY choreographed and it shows on the bands faces. The controlled fake "bootleg" thing and the whole tempo change thing is sort of corny, but it's still one of the better clips I've seen from him lately. It just falls apart hard, when he starts the chittlin' circuit routine and talking sht toward the end. Somebody book 3rdEye for that Tom Joyner cruise.

Interesting that you criticize Prince by referring to a term often associated with African American artists.

"The "chitlin' circuit" is the collective name given to the string of performance venues throughout the eastern, southern, and upper mid-west areas of the United States that were safe and acceptable for African American musicians, comedians, and other entertainers to perform in during the age of racial segregation in the United States (from at least the early 19th century through the 1960s) as well as the venues that contemporary African American soul and blues performers, especially in the South, continue to appear at regularly."

dizzidecazz said:

Prince shows... Still great, Prince tv performances, still like no-one else and princes performance in the hands of Janelle Monae all point to the one thing, he's an amazing performer but he can't write songs anymore.

I don't come in to this forum very often but often enough to know there's two teams, old prince vs. New prince/olds prince combined but to me his performance on the new Janelle Monae record proves he can still sing like a dirty fucker but when I hear his own new stuff, it sounds like the obvious rhymes of a 13 year old. Many will disagree, but it is undeniable that Prince's place in the modern lexicon is all based on his 80s to early 90s... pre JH. He can't write the words that inspire the music that inspire the production that made him great, but once you take his inability to write lyrics out of the equation, he shines. The only logical conclusion is that his religion has stifled his creativity.

The juxtaposition between his sexuality and spirituality was the source and removing one of those things has resulted in simplistic songs that don't inspire the musical follow-through. The thing about his abilities to still bring it, as long as he hasn't written it, tell me that if he went back to finding his own conversation with his spirituality that he could still bring it on his own.

I was at a Sydney show last year when his guitar wasn't working. Not sound bad, not playing bad, plain old the guitar wasn't making any sound. So what did Prince do when it cam to the guitar solo, he pretty much fucked the piano. When caught out, he resorts to his own ways. It's still there that juxtaposition, he just needs to drop the 'organised' aspect of his religion and make the album that's been building up inside... I assume

Kinda sick of people who cant rub 3 notes together judging someones music. When is enough enough. Prince still has to prove himself to U even after u get the Symbol tattoo. Ehh. Maybe the fro is intimidating. I think u all owe Prince one song. Each and every one us.

Flow said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

dizzidecazz said:

Alexandernvrmind said:

You were good until you blamed religion. He can't write the lyrics anymore and they were never his strongest suit. This man wrote u got the look and la la la he he hee. The Jenelle Monae song as you said confirmed it... Because as soon as I heard those lyrics and how he delivered I said no way he wrote those. No WAY NO HOW

Those examples were playful songs and the simplistic lyrics were part of the whole. My comments weren't just about the lyrics, but the musical follow through. His previous playful songs worked. It's not always about being complex, or clever or "deep". I guess my observation is that it sounds to me like he's not being honest with himself because when the inspiration was from and external source, in this case, Janelle Monae, he delivered a fantastic, honest and thoroughly convincing performance which is lacking in his own work. Maybe, it's not religion but it feels like there is something holding him back.

Janelle is one of the most exciting artists out.. I think he was inspired by her (we know he is he talks a lot about her )and this song proved as you said that if he's around people who inspire him he can still deliver..but I think it's normal for a lot of artists is like that..

[Edited 10/4/13 14:36pm]

dizzidecazz said:

dizzidecazz said:

idas said:

and your album is coming out when?

I have gold records, top ten singles and several ARIA nominations (the Australian equivalent to the Grammys) but they're from days gone by. My best work is behind me. I have a family and that's where my energies go these days. Don't make assumptions about people you've never met.

you mean the same thing you did? I'm so sorry Mr Cryte.

purple1968 said:

dizzidecazz said:

idas said: I have gold records, top ten singles and several ARIA nominations (the Australian equivalent to the Grammys) but they're from days gone by. My best work is behind me. I have a family and that's where my energies go these days. Don't make assumptions about people you've never met.

You are on this board and you are making plenty of assumptions about a person you have never met.

Thank you purple1968

idas said:

Flow said:

dizzidecazz said:

idas said:

you mean the same thing you did? I'm so sorry Mr Cryte.

I pulled out when I knew I was done. My point in my original post wasn't that I think Prince is done, it was that he has made choices, religion, which have imposed restrictions on his art. Do I believe he's capable of making great music?.. Yes. Maybe I'm wrong about Prince, more specifically his religion. I'm only an observer watching from my own perspective.

fair enough.

idas said:

dizzidecazz said:

idas said: I pulled out when I knew I was done. My point in my original post wasn't that I think Prince is done, it was that he has made choices, religion, which have imposed restrictions on his art. Do I believe he's capable of making great music?.. Yes. Maybe I'm wrong about Prince, more specifically his religion. I'm only an observer watching from my own perspective.

fair enough.

dizzidecazz, i see what u r writing. only thing that comes 2 me is that Prince has walked this life and has not lost it to drugs or alcohol. we lost amy winehouse, jimi hendrix, janis joplin, whitney houston and so many others to substance abuse(s), and if JW religion keeps him going, isn't it a beautiful thing?

every songwriter loses it. i don't know why. maybe there's only so many ways you can express a thing, or only so many things you need to express? But make a list of your favorite songwriters over...50, and chances are they've lost something. Even Dylan, who I worship, Paul Simon, Jagger/Richards, Stevie, Carole King, Paul McCartney, David Bowie. This is just acorss the board. to expect otherwise is almost asking the impossible.

He has not got it song writing wise and has not had it for a long time. Tired old rnb with that plastic sound. Even when he tries to be organic he still smothers it in a plastic sheen. I don't know what it is. It's like he is afraid to fully let go. He is scared what the result may be. I do also think that he is still trying to write a hit.

This has to stop. He needs to simply be his age. If you think about it, over the past 15 years we should have seen an increase in his creativity musically. Instead he has gone backwards with uninspired jams and throwaway lyrics. The only bits of his songs i am enjoying now is the last sort of 30 seconds where he is doing an interesting Jam that is out of place with the song. And you cant help but think why is this the full track?

Listen to Breakfast can wait. Then listen to something from MPL sound. Or further back, The Chocolate Invasion or even Rave or new power soul. The song could have fitted on those albums. They were years ago. Where is the 'new' prince that sounds fresh. The sound that shocks people. You got to remember this is the guy who was revelutionising music in the 80's. Creating sounds that people hadn't heard before. Pushing boundaries musically. Now he is resorting to living off past glories.

People say, 'Prince has nothing left to prove' No he doesn't. And his 80's and early 90's work will stand up forever. But what is he now doing to his legacy. He is tarnishing it. Its like a boxer that doesn't want to retire and continues on and starts losing and looking bad and starts ruining his legacy because of it. Look at poor Holyfield.

I have seen Prince live and loved every second of it. I was mesmerised by his playing. And even my boyfriend who doesn't particularly get his music (prefers xfactor) loved every second of it. And was blown away by his genius.

I know Prince likes to record on his own. Yes on his own terms doing his own thing but the drive and passion has gone. He either needs to record with an actual producer who is going to bully him into doing stuff that will scare him. Or he needs to record with people in the room watching him. He needs to be pushed. His vocals need to be interesting. He needs to sit down at a piano and write a structured song. Not a verse, chorus, some bragging, bit of music, then 'oh where do i go now? i know i will add four minutes of noise.'

I want him to come back big. I want Prince to do an album that is just him. Not trying to impress people. Look inside yourself, that doesn't mean preach because you think that people want you to preach and people think you should preach. Be you. Produce something either close to who you are. Or create a fantasy world. Long deep musical landscapes. And he needs to write a concise album. Not an album of songs that he has been working on for 5 years and just throws them in with different styles and sounds. That doesn't work. It is not coherent and annoys everyone.

lagantest said:

He has not got it song writing wise and has not had it for a long time. Tired old rnb with that plastic sound. Even when he tries to be organic he still smothers it in a plastic sheen. I don't know what it is. It's like he is afraid to fully let go. He is scared what the result may be. I do also think that he is still trying to write a hit.

This has to stop. He needs to simply be his age. If you think about it, over the past 15 years we should have seen an increase in his creativity musically. Instead he has gone backwards with uninspired jams and throwaway lyrics. The only bits of his songs i am enjoying now is the last sort of 30 seconds where he is doing an interesting Jam that is out of place with the song. And you cant help but think why is this the full track?

Listen to Breakfast can wait. Then listen to something from MPL sound. Or further back, The Chocolate Invasion or even Rave or new power soul. The song could have fitted on those albums. They were years ago. Where is the 'new' prince that sounds fresh. The sound that shocks people. You got to remember this is the guy who was revelutionising music in the 80's. Creating sounds that people hadn't heard before. Pushing boundaries musically. Now he is resorting to living off past glories.

People say, 'Prince has nothing left to prove' No he doesn't. And his 80's and early 90's work will stand up forever. But what is he now doing to his legacy. He is tarnishing it. Its like a boxer that doesn't want to retire and continues on and starts losing and looking bad and starts ruining his legacy because of it. Look at poor Holyfield.

I have seen Prince live and loved every second of it. I was mesmerised by his playing. And even my boyfriend who doesn't particularly get his music (prefers xfactor) loved every second of it. And was blown away by his genius.

I know Prince likes to record on his own. Yes on his own terms doing his own thing but the drive and passion has gone. He either needs to record with an actual producer who is going to bully him into doing stuff that will scare him. Or he needs to record with people in the room watching him. He needs to be pushed. His vocals need to be interesting. He needs to sit down at a piano and write a structured song. Not a verse, chorus, some bragging, bit of music, then 'oh where do i go now? i know i will add four minutes of noise.'

I want him to come back big. I want Prince to do an album that is just him. Not trying to impress people. Look inside yourself, that doesn't mean preach because you think that people want you to preach and people think you should preach. Be you. Produce something either close to who you are. Or create a fantasy world. Long deep musical landscapes. And he needs to write a concise album. Not an album of songs that he has been working on for 5 years and just throws them in with different styles and sounds. That doesn't work. It is not coherent and annoys everyone.

Prince is not the problem. you are the problem.You have projected unto prince all the things you want him to be instead of excepting him for who he is now. He is flesh and blood not some musical god from mount olympus. If you can't accept that it is u who is delusional.

If he bores you now accept that. There is no reason to think Prince was going to forever be an artist that fulfills you.

Many here are forever making assumptions about how he works. We have no idea. For every song that is released there are many that appear to have disappeared into the vault.

It seems with each new song the expectation that it will make you feel like its 1984 again ensues. That is over. To be as creative as he this far into a career with the quantity of music he has and is producing is pretty astounding to me. Don't take it for granted.