i fail to see what excites people so much about his 'duet' with janelle.

he only sings 4 lines and that's it. he does a bit of backing after his

verse but most of the backing vocals on the track are by another man

completely. so what, we're now saying that 4 lines sung by

prince on someone else's song is better than what prince does?

.

i love janelle, and it's a great song, i have to admit. but it's not like we

never heard prince sing this good in the last 10 years. he even won an

emmy or grammy or whatever for his vocals on "call my name" didn't

he? and he got another nomination for "future baby mama". let's not

even talk about the second verse of "avalance" which is so stellar that

it's off the scale.

.

besides, it's not even like those lines he sings on her song are all that

great either. in fact they sound kind of like what prince comes up with

himself. admitting, it's easy to be impressed with someone else's lyrics

after some of the dreck that prince has come up with recently.

.

and prince still writes good songs, if he tries. he just seems to make a

lot of questionable choices as to which songs to release. the songs are

still there, it's they lyrics that are really just dull and stupid lately, and

that makes for an alltogether less impressive experience.

.

Madhouse6 said:

You guys misunderstood my post. prince has always been in touch with his 'god' but his faith, like the majority of religions are controlling and when you read any religious book (bible, Koran etc) then you are bound by restrictions - you can't pick and choose. If you believe 'your holy book' is the way to live, then fine but remember it was some person's view. I understand that he does not want to curse and agree with that because let's face it who wants to see a 55yr old swearing and gyrating but I certainly feel it has stifled his thinking and I have been following him since 1981. BTW - I still prefer his crap songs over other peoples 'good songs'.

restrictions - Life has restrictions. No one is free to do as the please 24/7 without consequences.

If his thinking has been stifled to prevent certain bad habits and behaviors what problem would anyone have with that unless they are trying to live vicariously through their musical hero.

purple1968 said:

Madhouse6 said:

I don't blame people turning to religion but it is there as a form of control and in this case it quite clear to see it stifled the creativity in Prince's writing. To truly write a 'classic' one has to write from the heart and not be afraid of offending anyone. He complained about Warners controlling him yet lives his values based on a book albeit the Bible, but written words. Time to think for yourself again Prince!! [Edited 9/25/13 13:22pm]

What a bunch of B.S. I think some of you would be happy is P was some washed up coke head who is d kicking out great songs (in your opinion) instead of finding inner peace. Religion is not about being controled it is about being able to control anything that life throws at you because you know in your heart a higher power is running things.

That being said I seriously doubt we have heard all of P's material and the things he has been putting out are radio friendly and pleasing to the ear. In the end a good pop only needs a good hook and P has not been short of them lately.

Does Prince have inner peace? And how would we know if he did?

purple1968 said:

In the end a good pop only needs a good hook and P has not been short of them lately.

ConsciousContact said:

purple1968 said:

What a bunch of B.S. I think some of you would be happy is P was some washed up coke head who is d kicking out great songs (in your opinion) instead of finding inner peace. Religion is not about being controled it is about being able to control anything that life throws at you because you know in your heart a higher power is running things.

That being said I seriously doubt we have heard all of P's material and the things he has been putting out are radio friendly and pleasing to the ear. In the end a good pop only needs a good hook and P has not been short of them lately.

Does Prince have inner peace? And how would we know if he did?

We never know anything for certain with him but his recent interviews he comes off as being kinda grounded. As much as people were bothered by his comments about cellphones and computers does it sound like someone that is sitting behind a computer or tied to a cell worried about their empire and stressed out?

NouveauDance said:

purple1968 said:

In the end a good pop only needs a good hook and P has not been short of them lately.

Nothing to add as usual.

purple1968 said:

Tempest said:

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Who said I am a lone wolf? Do I need to attend an institutionalized church to have fellowship with other believers? Or, do I need to be a part of organized "Christianity" to love & serve the Lord? The answer to that question is NO. The first century church got together and fellowshipped in homes (& in the synogogue to learn the Scriptures).

*

Btw, I do read the Bible. God's Word is precious to me. I don't need organized religion to do that.

*

You're certainly free to do the organized religion thing. Been there. Done that. I prefer the freedom to love & serve God as He leads me to. I allow others to do the same.

1. You choose to not be apart of an institutionalized church so you are not having fellowship with other Christians. Your choice but call it what it is.

2. If the first century church got together and fellowshipped in homes that would be mean they got together in a group and organized.

3. I did not say you need organized religion to read the bible it just seems that if you read it you would understand the concept of church does not really have anything with beloning to an insitution but is really about fellowship. In addtion, sometimes without fellowship, support and guidence (i.e.bible study) people fall to the wayside. For some people church on Sunday is the best day of the week and it by know means make them weak or controlled.

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That's right. I choose not to be a part of an institutionalized church. I told you, I'm NOT a lone wolf. YES, I get together with other believers just not at a building called church. I would say that your idea of what constitutes fellowship is quite skewed and limited. The Bible says that where 2 or 3 are gathered in My name, there am I with them (Matthew 18:20). It doesn't say, be sure to go to church, make sure there are at least 500 people there, oh yea and make sure there's someone to walk you through the Scriptures. And, by all means, don't forget the necessary items like bulletins, donuts & coffee.

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The Bible says that for true believers, it's the Spirit of God that leads them into all truth. Not the church, not a pastor, not the flock, etc. If you think you're safe attending church and somehow won't be lead down the wrong path, than you're deceived. I didn't mention anything in my post about being weak or controlled either so I'm not sure where that's coming from. People can be lead of the Lord for themselves and make their own choices regarding who they want to fellowship with and how they choose to fellowship.

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Even if you meet with a believing friend at lunch and you happen to discuss life, the Scriptures, the Lord etc., the Lord is there with you or on the telephone or via email or getting together at someone's home or doing Bible study together or praying together, etc. that's fellowship. The formal building isn't necessary.

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I'm not sure where you're coming from as far as assuimg that I don't have believing fellowship. I have quite a bit of it just not in the context of a formal religion or at a building called "church".

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[Edited 9/27/13 3:53am]

IstenSzek said:

i fail to see what excites people so much about his 'duet' with janelle.

he only sings 4 lines and that's it. he does a bit of backing after his

verse but most of the backing vocals on the track are by another man

completely. so what, we're now saying that 4 lines sung by

prince on someone else's song is better than what prince does?

.

i love janelle, and it's a great song, i have to admit. but it's not like we

never heard prince sing this good in the last 10 years. he even won an

emmy or grammy or whatever for his vocals on "call my name" didn't

he? and he got another nomination for "future baby mama". let's not

even talk about the second verse of "avalance" which is so stellar that

it's off the scale.

.

besides, it's not even like those lines he sings on her song are all that

great either. in fact they sound kind of like what prince comes up with

himself. admitting, it's easy to be impressed with someone else's lyrics

after some of the dreck that prince has come up with recently.

.

and prince still writes good songs, if he tries. he just seems to make a

lot of questionable choices as to which songs to release. the songs are

still there, it's they lyrics that are really just dull and stupid lately, and

that makes for an alltogether less impressive experience.

.

it's always Prince in the backing vocals not another man :lol:it's him in the initial "love", in the chorus with her, in the second verse, in the backgrounds..and in the fadeout..anyway his song with janelle is great imo the best track I heard his voice on in years..but..as a live performer I think he's still great I don' t see reasons for complain as someone else said in this thread..about the songs he has a long career behind him I think it's normal ..no one can have a peak of creativity that lasts over 30 years...

[Edited 9/26/13 17:24pm]

[Edited 9/26/13 17:26pm]

There are Prince songs that I love from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and even today. And, there are songs from those eras that don't move me at all. As such, there have been songs written in the past thirteen years that move me as much as songs from the 80s. Prince has always moved from one extreme to the next, writing very profound lyrics to writing very juvenile lyrics from the 70s to today. And, of course, we are all so subjective that it is often difficult for us so called hardcore fans to agree on what is a "well-crafted" song. For instance, while I'm in that camp that asserts that Prince still writes great songs, "The Breakdown" doesn't move me at all--neither the lyrics nor the music. Just the fact the he says “this could be the saddest story ever told” makes the song, for me, LOA—lame on arrival. Yet, some really like it. (I must add that it doesn’t bother me nearly as much when he uses a similar lyric at the beginning of “She Gave Her Angels.” Still, something about the writer telling me how touching or moving the song is seems to irk me, which, of course, is one of my issues with hip hop. Don’t tell me how great you are; allow your imagery and storytelling to show me your greatness.) On the other hand, the lyrics and the music of "Rock-n-Roll Love Affair" moved me immediately. "Breakfast Can Wait" contains somewhat, if not completely, juvenile lyrics, but it has a nice groove whereas "Fixurlifeup" is nice, musically and lyrically. And while I like songs, such as "Compassion," "Cause and Effect," "Future Soul Song," "Act of God," and "Lavaux," all form this era, if I never hear "I Wonder U" again, it will be too soon. So, just like the past, Prince is still providing songs that I dig, and songs that I don’t dig, and I still dig more than I don’t dig.

1725topp said:

There are Prince songs that I love from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and even today. And, there are songs from those eras that don't move me at all. As such, there have been songs written in the past thirteen years that move me as much as songs from the 80s. Prince has always moved from one extreme to the next, writing very profound lyrics to writing very juvenile lyrics from the 70s to today. And, of course, we are all so subjective that it is often difficult for us so called hardcore fans to agree on what is a "well-crafted" song. For instance, while I'm in that camp that asserts that Prince still writes great songs, "The Breakdown" doesn't move me at all--neither the lyrics nor the music. Just the fact the he says “this could be the saddest story ever told” makes the song, for me, LOA—lame on arrival. Yet, some really like it. (I must add that it doesn’t bother me nearly as much when he uses a similar lyric at the beginning of “She Gave Her Angels.” Still, something about the writer telling me how touching or moving the song is seems to irk me, which, of course, is one of my issues with hip hop. Don’t tell me how great you are; allow your imagery and storytelling to show me your greatness.) On the other hand, the lyrics and the music of "Rock-n-Roll Love Affair" moved me immediately. "Breakfast Can Wait" contains somewhat, if not completely, juvenile lyrics, but it has a nice groove whereas "Fixurlifeup" is nice, musically and lyrically. And while I like songs, such as "Compassion," "Cause and Effect," "Future Soul Song," "Act of God," and "Lavaux," all form this era, if I never hear "I Wonder U" again, it will be too soon. So, just like the past, Prince is still providing songs that I dig, and songs that I don’t dig, and I still dig more than I don’t dig.

purple1968 said:

funksterr said:

Prince's live act is nowhere near what he was at his peak. Not even close. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional. He is still an amazingly skilled musician when he feels like it, but don't expect him to show you that for the entire show. Gone are the nipple flashing girls, the cool outfits, the playful smiles, the dirty ditties. It's all gone. He can't dance much or do any of the acrobatic things that were staples during the 80's and 90's. I can't blame him for aging though.

I can blame him for being uptight and stoic. His front-man game is awful for the 3rdeyegirl concept. Watch the She's Always In My Hair clip he uploaded on Youtube for proof. He's acting like he's playing a Tom Joyner cruise instead of leading a modern era rock band, lol. "There are no computers on this stagaaagge" I want to say "mutherfka, computers are COOOOL. This is the tech generation. Audiences today expect computers to be integrated into everything, including music and bragging you don't have/need one is really more of a turn off (as is bragging, btw).

I think Prince has not grown with the modern world, his instincts are off, it shows in his music, so imo, he no longer has it.

---- He's acting like he's playing a Tom Joyner cruise instead of leading a modern era rock band, lol. Are you smoking crack. I have forwarded that clip to hard core as we as casual fans and they love that clip.

You cannot be so thick headed to not understand what he means by no computers. He is fronting a rock band what role would you have computers play in a live rock show. He is not doing a EDM show.

Honestly it is time for you to get off the purple boat when you are not enjoying what of the best live performers out on the road today.

His front-man game is definitely dated. And it's not even dated back to when he was at his best, it's dated back to the end of the 90's. That's a problem. His look is off for today's rock audiences and so is his onstage behavior. I've seen at least 50 rock bands this year live and hundreds over the past 2-3 years and they prominitely use their laptops to supplement their sound and it only makes them cooler. Prince's lack of humility and incessant bragging are buzzkills for young rock audiences. Older R&B audiences don't mind, but 3rdEye was supposed to target the youth. His 80's frontman techniques, where he talked less, and the band was more unified in terms of the fashion and makeup, would play better.

She's Always In My Hair, is a fairly decent clip, though I feel like the performance was HEAVILY choreographed and it shows on the bands faces. The controlled fake "bootleg" thing and the whole tempo change thing is sort of corny, but it's still one of the better clips I've seen from him lately. It just falls apart hard, when he starts the chittlin' circuit routine and talking sht toward the end. Somebody book 3rdEye for that Tom Joyner cruise.

purple1968 said:

purple1968 said:

NouveauDance said:

Nothing to add as usual.

I always think back to this : what is more "artistic" songwriting ...

more "poetic" and thought provoking - - -

writing this :

"aint gonna let the elevator break us down" ...

or

"god is love , love is god , boys and girls love god above" ....

The problem with his songwriting is that so much of it sounds like a first draft. I don't have much problem with it musically, but lyrically, after about 3 listens of a lot of the newer tracks, I can think of several much more clever turns of phrase to say what he's trying to put across.

At one point, he could get away with tossing off songs left and right without needing to worry about fiddling with them too much. These days, I wish he'd sit down with a lyric and think it out a little bit more. To me, that's the missing ingredient.

1725topp said:

There are Prince songs that I love from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and even today. And, there are songs from those eras that don't move me at all. As such, there have been songs written in the past thirteen years that move me as much as songs from the 80s. Prince has always moved from one extreme to the next, writing very profound lyrics to writing very juvenile lyrics from the 70s to today. And, of course, we are all so subjective that it is often difficult for us so called hardcore fans to agree on what is a "well-crafted" song. For instance, while I'm in that camp that asserts that Prince still writes great songs, "The Breakdown" doesn't move me at all--neither the lyrics nor the music. Just the fact the he says “this could be the saddest story ever told” makes the song, for me, LOA—lame on arrival. Yet, some really like it. (I must add that it doesn’t bother me nearly as much when he uses a similar lyric at the beginning of “She Gave Her Angels.” Still, something about the writer telling me how touching or moving the song is seems to irk me, which, of course, is one of my issues with hip hop. Don’t tell me how great you are; allow your imagery and storytelling to show me your greatness.) On the other hand, the lyrics and the music of "Rock-n-Roll Love Affair" moved me immediately. "Breakfast Can Wait" contains somewhat, if not completely, juvenile lyrics, but it has a nice groove whereas "Fixurlifeup" is nice, musically and lyrically. And while I like songs, such as "Compassion," "Cause and Effect," "Future Soul Song," "Act of God," and "Lavaux," all form this era, if I never hear "I Wonder U" again, it will be too soon. So, just like the past, Prince is still providing songs that I dig, and songs that I don’t dig, and I still dig more than I don’t dig.

I agree

SuperSoulFighter said:

dizzidecazz said:

Prince shows... Still great, Prince tv performances, still like no-one else and princes performance in the hands of Janelle Monae all point to the one thing, he's an amazing performer but he can't write songs anymore. I don't come in to this forum very often but often enough to know there's two teams, old prince vs. New prince/olds prince combined but to me his performance on the new Janelle Monae record proves he can still sing like a dirty fucker but when I hear his own new stuff, it sounds like the obvious rhymes of a 13 year old. Many will disagree, but it is undeniable that Prince's place in the modern lexicon is all based on his 80s to early 90s... pre JH. He can't write the words that inspire the music that inspire the production that made him great, but once you take his inability to write lyrics out of the equation, he shines. The only logical conclusion is that his religion has stifled his creativity. The juxtaposition between his sexuality and spirituality was the source and removing one of those things has resulted in simplistic songs that don't inspire the musical follow-through. The thing about his abilities to still bring it, as long as he hasn't written it, tell me that if he went back to finding his own conversation with his spirituality that he could still bring it on his own. I was at a Sydney show last year when his guitar wasn't working. Not sound bad, not playing bad, plain old the guitar wasn't making any sound. So what did Prince do when it cam to the guitar solo, he pretty much fucked the piano. When caught out, he resorts to his own ways. It's still there that juxtaposition, he just needs to drop the 'organised' aspect of his religion and make the album that's been building up inside... I assume

I agree with most of this, but I think it's a little too easy to blame religion for his mental shutdown. Most likely the religious dogma was something he embraced because that vital internal spark was already dimming. Like you said, it's overwhelmingly evident in the music.

I don't agree that his shows are as good as they used to be either. His shows used to have more focus because he always had a strong or interesting album to base them around. Even the greatest hits were relatively new then so he wasn't yet bored of them. Nowadays he tends to shortchange the old material by just singing a verse or two then jamming on it for ten minutes. He did some of that in the old days too, but he does it far more now. Excessive jamming has ruined many a Prince show.

[Edited 9/30/13 8:49am]

non-musicians telling musicians ....

dizzidecazz said:

Prince shows... Still great, Prince tv performances, still like no-one else and princes performance in the hands of Janelle Monae all point to the one thing, he's an amazing performer but he can't write songs anymore. I don't come in to this forum very often but often enough to know there's two teams, old prince vs. New prince/olds prince combined but to me his performance on the new Janelle Monae record proves he can still sing like a dirty fucker but when I hear his own new stuff, it sounds like the obvious rhymes of a 13 year old. Many will disagree, but it is undeniable that Prince's place in the modern lexicon is all based on his 80s to early 90s... pre JH. He can't write the words that inspire the music that inspire the production that made him great, but once you take his inability to write lyrics out of the equation, he shines. The only logical conclusion is that his religion has stifled his creativity. The juxtaposition between his sexuality and spirituality was the source and removing one of those things has resulted in simplistic songs that don't inspire the musical follow-through. The thing about his abilities to still bring it, as long as he hasn't written it, tell me that if he went back to finding his own conversation with his spirituality that he could still bring it on his own. I was at a Sydney show last year when his guitar wasn't working. Not sound bad, not playing bad, plain old the guitar wasn't making any sound. So what did Prince do when it cam to the guitar solo, he pretty much fucked the piano. When caught out, he resorts to his own ways. It's still there that juxtaposition, he just needs to drop the 'organised' aspect of his religion and make the album that's been building up inside... I assume

That same thing over and over again... Why do u waste your and our time writing what 100 other orgers have written b4 u in the exact same words or so? Get a life, pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase

funksterr said:

purple1968 said:

---- He's acting like he's playing a Tom Joyner cruise instead of leading a modern era rock band, lol. Are you smoking crack. I have forwarded that clip to hard core as we as casual fans and they love that clip.

You cannot be so thick headed to not understand what he means by no computers. He is fronting a rock band what role would you have computers play in a live rock show. He is not doing a EDM show.

Honestly it is time for you to get off the purple boat when you are not enjoying what of the best live performers out on the road today.

His front-man game is definitely dated. And it's not even dated back to when he was at his best, it's dated back to the end of the 90's. That's a problem. His look is off for today's rock audiences and so is his onstage behavior. I've seen at least 50 rock bands this year live and hundreds over the past 2-3 years and they prominitely use their laptops to supplement their sound and it only makes them cooler. Prince's lack of humility and incessant bragging are buzzkills for young rock audiences. Older R&B audiences don't mind, but 3rdEye was supposed to target the youth. His 80's frontman techniques, where he talked less, and the band was more unified in terms of the fashion and makeup, would play better.

She's Always In My Hair, is a fairly decent clip, though I feel like the performance was HEAVILY choreographed and it shows on the bands faces. The controlled fake "bootleg" thing and the whole tempo change thing is sort of corny, but it's still one of the better clips I've seen from him lately. It just falls apart hard, when he starts the chittlin' circuit routine and talking sht toward the end. Somebody book 3rdEye for that Tom Joyner cruise.

His front-man game is definitely dated. And it's not even dated back to when he was at his best, it's dated back to the end of the 90's. That's a problem. His look is off for today's rock audiences and so is his onstage behavior. I've seen at least 50 rock bands this year live and hundreds over the past 2-3 years and they prominitely use their laptops to supplement their sound and it only makes them cooler. Prince's lack of humility and incessant bragging are buzzkills for young rock audiences. Older R&B audiences don't mind, but 3rdEye was supposed to target the youth. His 80's frontman techniques, where he talked less, and the band was more unified in terms of the fashion and makeup, would play better.

She's Always In My Hair, is a fairly decent clip, though I feel like the performance was HEAVILY choreographed and it shows on the bands faces. The controlled fake "bootleg" thing and the whole tempo change thing is sort of corny, but it's still one of the better clips I've seen from him lately. It just falls apart hard, when he starts the chittlin' circuit routine and talking sht toward the end. Somebody book 3rdEye for that Tom Joyner cruise

Wow I had to take some time to decide if I was even going to respond this crap. Who goes to a rock show or any concert to see a bunch of people holding laptops on the stage. If you have a need to see that at a rock concert or performers have a need to that to be interesting or cool than you have lost the point of being at a live music program. You are at a concert not the Apple store.

“ Prince's lack of humility and incessant bragging are buzzkills for young rock audiences. Older R&B audiences don't mind, but 3rdEye was supposed to target the youth. His 80's frontman techniques, where he talked less, and the band was more unified in terms of the fashion and makeup, would play better.”

Since when have Prince been humble? Why would he start now and why should he be humble? Older R&B audiences do not mind because they do not take it seriously and if young rock audiences do than they need to get the sticks out of their ass.

You mean the 80s when he stood around looking pissed off the all show and did not speak the audience.

Sounds like a winning idea (LOL) Let’s all be glad P does not have people like you around running things.

She's Always In My Hair, is a fairly decent clip, though I feel like the performance was HEAVILY choreographed and it shows on the bands faces. The controlled fake "bootleg" thing and the whole tempo change thing is sort of corny, but it's still one of the better clips I've seen from him lately. It just falls apart hard, when he starts the chittlin' circuit routine and talking sht toward the end. Somebody book 3rdEye for that Tom Joyner cruise

Everything dude does is choreographed and rehearsed a million times as we all have heard this from many of his former band mates. In addition, I watched this clip and at no time does the camera pan out far enough so you can see the facial expressions of the band. So what are you talking about?

The Chittlin circuit comment is just rock snobbery at its best. What you call Chittlin circuit behavior is called showmanship and it seems that no one has a problem with it since many rock stars stole those ideas about showmanship from the Chittlin circuit in the first place.

The funny thing about Tom Joyner is that he has been trying to get Prince to do his cruise for years and you seem like you are more interested in that cruise than Prince.

We have heard the same sermons and lectures on this board since 1995 (PPML List) that P is finished but he is still around just like the Rolling Stones and Bruce Springsteen and I think he will manage just fine without your advice or input.

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ColAngus said:

agree totally !

I mean the lyrics today are nothin like they used to be ...

but i do think that has to do with age ...

many people just think "he doesnt need it anymore" ... or he isnt hungry ...

Bushwa. Like the writer gene has an age-related off switch? Or he suddenly forgot everything he ever knew about writing lyrics?

If he can't write lyrics anymore (debateable to begin with), it's due to laziness or lack of interest - not because he no longer possesses the ability.

ColAngus said:

I always think back to this : what is more "artistic" songwriting ...

more "poetic" and thought provoking - - -

writing this :

"aint gonna let the elevator break us down" ...

or

"god is love , love is god , boys and girls love god above" ....

Uhhh...the line is

Are we gonna let de elevator bring us down?

If you're going to harsh on his lyrics, at least get them right.

while i can appreciate your criticism - I do not get out my Prince lyric book ...

I think the criticism could have been directed more at taking a "1983 era " song and saying he sucked worse in 1988 ... lol ...

I should have taken more of a Rainbow children song where he said that women should listen to their man !

datdude said:

yeah, Better with Time, Here, Colonized Mind, Sea of Everything (yeah i said it, I love that song), etc. are SO the work of a 13 year old. go cut ur ears off OP'er!

I also thought that Colonized Mind was absolutely great. But then I heard the song that prince copied the music from. Listen to "quit it" by Miriam Makeba. Ir prince were still so inspired like he used to be, he dwouldn't need to rip off other artists work.

[Edited 9/30/13 17:31pm]

ludwig said:

datdude said:

yeah, Better with Time, Here, Colonized Mind, Sea of Everything (yeah i said it, I love that song), etc. are SO the work of a 13 year old. go cut ur ears off OP'er!

I also thought that Colonized Mind was absolutely great. But then I heard the song that prince copied the music from. Listen to "quit it" by Miriam Makeba. Ir prince were still so inspired like he used to be, he dwouldn't need to rip off other artists work.

[Edited 9/30/13 17:31pm]

I stopped with those few songs off the top of my head. Yeah CM was likely inspired by the Makeba song, but if you want to believe he can't write anymore, you're entitled to ur opinion. I disagree and there are DOZENS of examples since his "hey day" that prove you wrong IMO!

dizzidecazz said:

Prince shows... Still great, Prince tv performances, still like no-one else and princes performance in the hands of Janelle Monae all point to the one thing, he's an amazing performer but he can't write songs anymore.

I don't come in to this forum very often but often enough to know there's two teams, old prince vs. New prince/olds prince combined but to me his performance on the new Janelle Monae record proves he can still sing like a dirty fucker but when I hear his own new stuff, it sounds like the obvious rhymes of a 13 year old. Many will disagree, but it is undeniable that Prince's place in the modern lexicon is all based on his 80s to early 90s... pre JH. He can't write the words that inspire the music that inspire the production that made him great, but once you take his inability to write lyrics out of the equation, he shines. The only logical conclusion is that his religion has stifled his creativity.

The juxtaposition between his sexuality and spirituality was the source and removing one of those things has resulted in simplistic songs that don't inspire the musical follow-through. The thing about his abilities to still bring it, as long as he hasn't written it, tell me that if he went back to finding his own conversation with his spirituality that he could still bring it on his own.

I was at a Sydney show last year when his guitar wasn't working. Not sound bad, not playing bad, plain old the guitar wasn't making any sound. So what did Prince do when it cam to the guitar solo, he pretty much fucked the piano. When caught out, he resorts to his own ways. It's still there that juxtaposition, he just needs to drop the 'organised' aspect of his religion and make the album that's been building up inside... I assume

purple1968 said:

purple1968 said:

funksterr said:

His front-man game is definitely dated. And it's not even dated back to when he was at his best, it's dated back to the end of the 90's. That's a problem. His look is off for today's rock audiences and so is his onstage behavior. I've seen at least 50 rock bands this year live and hundreds over the past 2-3 years and they prominitely use their laptops to supplement their sound and it only makes them cooler. Prince's lack of humility and incessant bragging are buzzkills for young rock audiences. Older R&B audiences don't mind, but 3rdEye was supposed to target the youth. His 80's frontman techniques, where he talked less, and the band was more unified in terms of the fashion and makeup, would play better.

She's Always In My Hair, is a fairly decent clip, though I feel like the performance was HEAVILY choreographed and it shows on the bands faces. The controlled fake "bootleg" thing and the whole tempo change thing is sort of corny, but it's still one of the better clips I've seen from him lately. It just falls apart hard, when he starts the chittlin' circuit routine and talking sht toward the end. Somebody book 3rdEye for that Tom Joyner cruise.

His front-man game is definitely dated. And it's not even dated back to when he was at his best, it's dated back to the end of the 90's. That's a problem. His look is off for today's rock audiences and so is his onstage behavior. I've seen at least 50 rock bands this year live and hundreds over the past 2-3 years and they prominitely use their laptops to supplement their sound and it only makes them cooler. Prince's lack of humility and incessant bragging are buzzkills for young rock audiences. Older R&B audiences don't mind, but 3rdEye was supposed to target the youth. His 80's frontman techniques, where he talked less, and the band was more unified in terms of the fashion and makeup, would play better.

She's Always In My Hair, is a fairly decent clip, though I feel like the performance was HEAVILY choreographed and it shows on the bands faces. The controlled fake "bootleg" thing and the whole tempo change thing is sort of corny, but it's still one of the better clips I've seen from him lately. It just falls apart hard, when he starts the chittlin' circuit routine and talking sht toward the end. Somebody book 3rdEye for that Tom Joyner cruise

Wow I had to take some time to decide if I was even going to respond this crap. Who goes to a rock show or any concert to see a bunch of people holding laptops on the stage. If you have a need to see that at a rock concert or performers have a need to that to be interesting or cool than you have lost the point of being at a live music program. You are at a concert not the Apple store.

“ Prince's lack of humility and incessant bragging are buzzkills for young rock audiences. Older R&B audiences don't mind, but 3rdEye was supposed to target the youth. His 80's frontman techniques, where he talked less, and the band was more unified in terms of the fashion and makeup, would play better.”

Since when have Prince been humble? Why would he start now and why should he be humble? Older R&B audiences do not mind because they do not take it seriously and if young rock audiences do than they need to get the sticks out of their ass.

You mean the 80s when he stood around looking pissed off the all show and did not speak the audience.

Sounds like a winning idea (LOL) Let’s all be glad P does not have people like you around running things.

She's Always In My Hair, is a fairly decent clip, though I feel like the performance was HEAVILY choreographed and it shows on the bands faces. The controlled fake "bootleg" thing and the whole tempo change thing is sort of corny, but it's still one of the better clips I've seen from him lately. It just falls apart hard, when he starts the chittlin' circuit routine and talking sht toward the end. Somebody book 3rdEye for that Tom Joyner cruise

Everything dude does is choreographed and rehearsed a million times as we all have heard this from many of his former band mates. In addition, I watched this clip and at no time does the camera pan out far enough so you can see the facial expressions of the band. So what are you talking about?

The Chittlin circuit comment is just rock snobbery at its best. What you call Chittlin circuit behavior is called showmanship and it seems that no one has a problem with it since many rock stars stole those ideas about showmanship from the Chittlin circuit in the first place.

The funny thing about Tom Joyner is that he has been trying to get Prince to do his cruise for years and you seem like you are more interested in that cruise than Prince.

We have heard the same sermons and lectures on this board since 1995 (PPML List) that P is finished but he is still around just like the Rolling Stones and Bruce Springsteen and I think he will manage just fine without your advice or input.

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Well said. Prince is widely/highly regarded as (arguably) the greatest live performer. I don't mean Prince circa 1986, I mean Prince 2013. Ask Rollingstone Magazine.

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Anyone who can find reason to complain about Prince live is just looking for a reason to piss and moan.

idas said: