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Tatiana Thumbtzen (MJ's TWYMMF girl) on meeting and dating Prince (1989) “The Way He Made Me Feel (Book),” Tatiana Thumbtzen, video girl from TWYMMF on Dating Prince, 1989
INTERESTING BITS IN BOLD
My 29th birthday was on April 22nd, 1989. I celebrated it with a group of friends at Club 20-20 in Century City. Someone at my party told me that Prince just arrived. I figured since it was my birthday, I was going to ask him to dance with me which is how I met and danced with the artist formely known as Prince. It was like the parting of the Red Sea. We were all having a great time but I think my friends were amazed when I walked over to Prince’s table and I politely said to his bodyguards that I wanted to ask Prince for a dance. I had to go through them first because there were several of them blocking me the front of his table. Prince was sitting down and his bodyguards parted and let me enter. I told Prince that it was my birthday. I said to him, “If I could have one birthday wish it would be to dance with you. ” He nodded his head yes. He is a man of few words. We tore up the dance floor to Madonna’s song, Like A Prayer. The entire club was gawking at us. To back up a bit, my friend Craig astounded all of us with his Michael Jackson moves. He had them down and it was like watching the ”Bad One”. I caught my friend Kookie, trying to take snapshot as we danced. Prince’s bodyguards stepped in front of her and stopped her dead in her tracks. I was so disappointed because she was not quick enough. Prince walked me back to my table. He said that I had an open invitation to join him at his table. I quietly agreed to meet him there in a p.134 few minutes. After all it was my birthday! Friends and guests gathered around me. They started asking me if I knew Prince. I replied ” No, I just met him.” They were all so surprised because I casually walked over to him and asked him if he would dance with me. I did it as if we already knew each other. Kookie kept saying how disappointed she was because they would not let her take a picture of Prince. My girlfriend Audra was so mad at herself because she had not made it to my birthday party. She was a huge Prince fan. After blowing out my candles and opening my gifts. I excused myself and went to Prince’s table to join him. When our drink arrived, he offered me a taste of his drink. He had a Virgin Pina’ Colada. I said, “No thank you, but can I have your cherry?” Prince gave me this wide-eyed, shocked expression. He took it as a sexual innuendo. I said it was not my intention and we started cracking up. Prince liked innuendos and double meanings, so he enjoyed that. As this exciting evening progressed, Prince asked me to join him in his limo. He wanted to take me for a ride. When I walked up to the long, white stretch limo, I stopped in my tracks. I wanted to make a mental note of this magical moment. The glow on the evening light bounced off the limo’s frame. It looked like something from a fairy tale or a Hollywood movie. I felt like Cinderella and this was the most wonderful birthday I have ever had in my life. TR: So where did you and Prince go’? TT: We just rode around Westwood all night. We were listening to some of his new music on his demo. He asked me what I thought about his new stuff. One of the songs was a demo of Sheena Easto singing a song that Prince had produced. I told him that I met her once and said hello but she ignored me and that I hated that crap! I added I couldn’t stand snobs. Anyway, I loved his new stuff. TR: So what did you do at the end of the night’? TT: I was not ready for this night to end, but we had been driving P.135 around for a few hours. He invited me to his hotel-the Sunset Marquee in Westwood. I questioned the thought of going there with him. After all, we had just met. But we were both having such a wonderful time together and neither one of us was tired. When I entered his room, I took a mental picture of everything. How neat he was, the artwork, even the smell of the air. Although this was a hotel, Prince was living there: making it his home. He showed me around and we walked down a short hallway that led to the bedroom. I recall staring at a painting that hung above the bed. The detail was so small and faint that from a distance I could not make sense of it. As I got closer I saw that it wall all nude women intertwined together. He told me, “Don’t get too close it might damage your eyes.” I told him that it did not frighten or faze me. Prince was a musical genius and he intrigued me. He walked me towards his closet and it was amazing! It was just awesome beyond words. Before me hung dozens and dozens of outfits. I was dazzled by the colors, textures,bold prints, and designs. For every outfit, there was a matching pair of boots. His closet was the bomb! It was unlike anything I have ever laid my eyes on. He told me, ”Curiosity killed the cat.” I stepped in his closet further and said, ”Yeah, well the cat had nine lives.’He got a kick out of my quick come back. He asked me, ”Would you like it if I dressed you in my clothes sometime” I told him him that would be cool, but I thought his pants would be excessively too short for me. He is only 5’4″ and I am 5’7”. However, I tried on one of his boots, and it was a perfect fit. He started it out by saying ”You know, when I was little… Well, I’m still little…” Before he could finish, I started laughing so hard. I thought I was going to bust a gut from laughing so hard. I thought it was great that he could joke and laugh at himself and make light of his small frame. I thought it was cool for a few seconds anyway. Suddenly, I stopped laughing because of this expression on his face. There was immediate silence. He had this look on his face as to say” I can make fun of myself but you cannot.” Prince is a Gemini and I soon learned that his moods switched on and off like a light switch. His bathroom bewildered me. Laid out were an endless amount of make-up and toiletries: Any girl would have been jealous. The vanity’s P.136 layout was so beautiful arranged. You could view every piece of lip liner, mascara, and eyeliner. He had more make-up and perfume than any woman I knew. We went back into the living room and he asked me if I was hungry. I was and minutes later everything I ordered was in double amounts. Prince did not touch any of it. I thought it was odd that he did not have anything to eat, especially since he ordered so much. Why did he order so much if he was not going to eat? Did he think I was a pig? After I ate. Prince and I sat Indian style on the living room. We just sat and talked.
The conversation quickly switched to Vanity. She was the lead singer of his girl group Vanity 6. I told him that I knew Vanity and knew her real name was Denise Matthews. We met in Tokyo when we both were signed with Zoli. It was during that time she was working with Prince in the studio. They were working on a demo for the single Nasty Girls. I was staying in her New York apartment and she had given me strict instructions not to answer a red phone. She was the only person that could answer it so I assumed that Prince called her on that phone. After I told Prince that story he said, ”Oh, that Vanity!” It was already 5:00 and and we were still talking. We were like two kids defying the limits and boundaries of time. We did not want to go to sleep. I felt comfortable with him and I was having a ball. He asked me if I wanted to sleep over. Before I knew it, Prince handed me a beautiful pair of silk pajamas. The entire scenario was out of the ordinary for me but we were having fun and there was such trust and comfort that I reasoned with a myself it was okay to spend the night with him P.138 I changed into the pajamas and I asked him what he was going to put on. He told me, “These are my pajamas,” —telling me the black lycra cat suit with the half of the waist missing were his pajamas for the evening. There was a chain attached to the cat suit that dangled from his waist from one side of his body to the other. I thought ” Well you go ahead with your bad self, Do your thing!” Geniuses are odd. He is a genius and he is odd. We curled up in bed like kittens and simply fell asleep, sweet and innocent as that. It took me forever to fall asleep though. I couldn’t believe that I was snuggled up in bed with one of the greatest artists of that time. In a way, Prince was viewed as Michael’s musical rival. TR:How are the two of them different? TT: Michael was the Peter Pan squeaky clean one, and Prince was the sexually overt one. They were like night and day but they were both geniuses and incredible to observe. Prince admired and respected Michael Did you talk to Prince again after your birthday night? A few days later Prince called me and invited me to a concert. The group Guy was performing at the Universal Amphitheater. Prince asked me if I would mind if the press took a few pictures of us together. I said that it would not bother me in the least that it was part of the deal. I felt that Prince was concerned about media putting their own twisted spin on us and it was also out of concern and respect for Michael. He believed, like most there was something between us. The show was incredible and Teddy Riley was awesome! Prince admired his work. After the show, we rode around the lot of Universal and Prince asked if I wanted to drive the limo for fun. I passed because I did not have my license yet. I didn’t admit to him I did not want to crash the limo or be responsible for it. That night I wore a silver belt buckle spelled out LOVE in bold letters. It was similar to a belt Madonna worn in the early 80′s that read Boy Toy. Several times during the night Prince complimented me on it. He told me that he wanted one that spelled out Gemini. He wanted his in gold and mine was in silver. Prince and I spoke several times by phone and at odd hours. It seemed we both had a late night schedule. We spoke many times at 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. Once he called me and when I answered he said, P.139 “I bet you’re sorry you gave me your number huh?” I reassured him and said, ”Not at all. I’m a night owl ” A few weeks went by and I ran into him at Vertigo, a popular nightclub. Prince asked me to join him as he sat surrounded by three other women. Sometime during the evening, I asked him if he was dating or seeing anyone. He replied something like ”I don’t have any! I have many. ” Suddenly, he turned into Dr.Jekyll and his mood changed. He left me standing on the dance floor alone. At the time I was working on a special surprise gift for him. I had called a friend in New York and asked him to make a gold belt buckle that spelled GEMINI, This is what Prince said he wanted. I did all this for someone who left me on a dance floor alone. Gemini’s are strange. They do have two sides to their personalities. Prince did show me his gratitude by wearing the buckle in his video Batdance. In the video, he plays a character named Gemini. The video was for the movie Batman.
Prince and I lost touch for about four years. We met by chance one night at a club and started talking about an interview I had given to the Star tabloid during the scandal involving Michael Jackson and the underage boy. Prince was upset that I had spoken to the tabloid; he attacked me for my comments and he was especially bothered by a line that quoted me as saying that Michael would never get married. He shouted, “Did you need the money that bad?” Are you that poor-that broke, that you sell your story to the tabloids?
Update To Tatiana’s Book, [Page 148] Prince’s Palace: (This was when Tati met Prince on her birthday-at a club with MJ’s stand-in Craig & some of her friends were with her. To make a long story short, she ended the evening with going to his hotel. She now does claim they “dated”.) We went into his living room then he asked if I was hungry. I told him I was. Next thing I know minutes later everything I asked for was ordered in doubles. Prince didn’t eat anything. I don’t get why he ordered tons of stuff then? Maybe he thought I was a pig. Then we evenually were ready for bed. He game me his pjs to wear & he was wearing a black cat suit with half of the waist missing. With a chain attached to the cat suit that dangled from his waist on one side of him to the other. Then we both curled up like little kittens, & went stragiht to sleep. I know that’s hard to believe, but truly was as simple & as innocent as that. From what I gathered, Prince didn’t make much sexual overt moves on Madonna either. They dated like in 1985 & she had been quoted of saying, ‘He was just sipping tea, very daintly. I have this theory about people who don’t eat. They annoy me.’ This may have been meant to be a kind comment because in 2007, the two were caught on camera having a hug at an Oscar party. Either way, that night I really wasn’t able to fall asleep. I just couldn’t get over who I was curled in bed with-one of the greatest artist of all times. The public viewed Prince & Michael as musical rivals. To them, Michael was squeaky clean-Peter Pan & Prince being the sexually overt one. They were different as night & day, both geniuses who were interesting to observe. Prince in truth, actually admired & respected Michael. They were friends. Prince only spoke highly of Michael. Few days after I spent the night Prince invited me to a Teddy Riley concert. [Page 151] Prince seemed to be concerned with the media & how they were going to put their twist on us. He really wanted to show respect for Michael. He even like many, believed there was something going on between me & Michael. In my heart, I wished it would be, but by this time I was hearing negative reports coming from his camp about me. While at the same time, people were still reminding me that if Michael really cared why hasn’t he called? David Banks on several occasions when we would have long conversations about what happened to me. David would say, ‘I’m sure he (Michael) has your number. If he really cared, he would call.’ David wasn’t only the co-writer for TWYMMF, but he played the store owner in the video. Now on the show, it was incredible & Teddy Riley did an amazing job! Prince admired his work as well. After the show, Prince & I rode around Universal’s very large parking lot. Then he asked if I wanted to drive this limo for fun. I passed on this because I did not have my license at the time. I didn’t want to admit that to him, & I didn’t want to be responsible if the limo had crashed. RE: Her Star magazine interview: It’s so obvious that the media never really treated Michael right-or even those assiocated to him. They wanted me to be against him & was using me for it. I was their scapegoat-that’s what they wanted from any female connected to Michael. It would help keep him in their “image” of Michael as gay, pedophile & asexual. Some people even asked me why even do that story with the Star? It helped me to feel guilty about it. Even Prince-the man I dated, was one of them.
[Edited 9/8/13 1:59am] Is everybody wet? | |
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P's reaction regarding the MJ gossip is amazing, the way he stands 4 him and he's mad at her 4 saying things about Michael. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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That's some top-notch writing. | |
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She was an opportunist that was obssessed with MJ. | |
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The story, if true, is quite revealing, isn't it. The wooh is on the one! | |
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What a story ! You know, I'm reading Matt Thorne his book at the moment, and stories like this really tell that Prince really is the way he/we think he is ; not conventional but super weird in many ways, but, human (too). Absolutely interesting. Copy pasted it in my P archive. ;-) Great that MJ is being treated the way artist should treat each other all the time. Although we all know the story about Prince telling the "Your butt is mine" situation... Which is exactly the opposite. Gemini indeed (& as a golden belt even...) 😉 "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972) | |
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At 41 my ADD is kicking in and I just can't read all that | |
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Short version: Prince picks up a girl at a night club and takes her home with him. But rather than trying to seduce her, he shows her his wardrobe and asks if they can share clothes. The wooh is on the one! | |
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for some reason,this part makes me sorta believe Sinead O' Connor's story....Prince gettting all loud and upset at a female for doing something that HE disagrees with...sound familiar? | |
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SoulAlive said:
for some reason,this part makes me sorta believe Sinead O' Connor's story....Prince gettting all loud and upset at a female for doing something that HE disagrees with...sound familiar? The two situations are not the same at all. It is cool that he stood up for Mike. Does not change anything about the Bad video. Prince would have looked like a total asshat if he had been in that video. | |
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I will take my place, In the great below | |
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She was partly right, A Woman knows... the marriage to Lisa Marie, what sham that was! Debbie Rowe some more crazy shyte, another debacle/front! | |
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I wonder if Prince really is the sex machine that he portrays himself to be. He seems to be more into tea drinking and chatting than into having steamy sex with hot women.
RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... | |
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It was all that makeup in the bathroom that Tatiana described, old boy was too busy looking purty, . How many bros could she have curled up with in the same bed and they wouldn't have been all up on that! | |
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I've just put the interesting bits in bold, hope that somewhat helps with the ADD :p Is everybody wet? | |
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I will take my place, In the great below | |
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nursev said: At 41 my ADD is kicking in and I just can't read all that The way I feel about this article is the same way Prince probably felt about her: Interested at first but then almost immediately wanting it to be over. [Edited 9/8/13 3:24am] | |
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No, no, you got it wrong. In a nutshell: Geminis are strange Is everybody wet? | |
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Well, there was a story on Tumblr, but.... | |
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Prince was upset that I had spoken to the tabloid; he attacked me for my comments and he was especially bothered by a line that quoted me as saying that Michael would never get married. He shouted, “Did you need the money that bad?” Are you that poor-that broke, that you sell your story to the tabloids?---Tatiana Thumbtzen
Prince,she says,was giving her grief for last years' national-anthem fiasco and for the foul language she uses."He found this offensive",she says."He continually said that he was gonna beat the shit out of me"---Sinead O' Connor
it just seems like there's a pattern there
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Just trying to imagine Prince dancing to 'Like A Prayer' 3121... Don't U Wanna Come? | |
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errant said: That's some top-notch writing. Lol... Hey...u give 5 million typewriters to 5 million monkeys, and in 5 million years... | |
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Really? Enlighten me please! RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... | |
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Hey Nursey! Prince and Tatiana went to a Guy concert, at the Universal Ampitheater. She wore a belt with big letters on it. Prince liked hers, so she had one made for him that said GEMINI. He wore it in the Batdance video. Tatiana ran into him at a nightclub, and Prince was with 3 other women. She asked him if he was seeing anyone. Prince said , "I don't have any! I have many!" Nursey, Mr. Goodnight was at it again [Edited 9/8/13 10:45am] | |
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So says he recorded his own version, so he musta liked it.
Any way, Prince having a go at her about talking to the tabloids is poor form - it's easy to judge from his position - made it sound like he took it personally - I guess there will be no more silk pajamas coming her way after he reads this chapter. | |
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But she didn't say they had sex. Only that they slept in the same bed. Prince is highly Private. I don't think he likes anyone to talk to the press really. He must be laughing at his ex Mayte on Hollywood Wives. I don't think any women getting hit is justified. I didn't like what Sinead O 'Connor was saying and doing back then especially I do feel her not showing up and acting rebellious cost her and Prince a Grammy that year. I also don't like how Prince was made out to be a Bad guy for not singing at the USA for Africa gig. At that time he didn't sing other people's songs. He did contribute a song so that was Cool. | |
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A man isn't a gentlemen if he kisses and tells, but is a lady still a lady if she does? 3121 #1 THIS YEAR | |
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The silk pajamas incident happen way back in 1989, seems like that stopped long before Prince reads this or if Prince read this. | |
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See, I just said this woman was obsessed with MJ, and when he rejected her, she moved on to Prince. She was also kicked off the "Bad" tour, because she wanted more than a professional relationship. To MJ, she was just strictly business. Sheryl Crow replaced her. If you noticed, this book was written about their 'relationship', a year after the tour. That's when Prince called her out for the opportunist that she is. She has a facebook page, talking about him, and she attended MJ's funeral. Research, if you will, and interested. For starters, those who remembered this era, remembered this: | |
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I remembered that. However, Sheila E attended. | |
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