Oh HELL NAW!!!

Chaos and Disorder is great, it has a strong rocking feel to it and some great hardcore rock songs. Its got the great title track, I like it there, The same December and Zannalee on it, whats not to like? Dinner with delores is a great single and even the Into the light and I will is great.

The only real stinker is I rock therefore I am which is let down by Scrappy Doo and some bad wanna be Jamaican ragga guy called Steppa Ranks (Which sounds like a mix of Shabba Ranks and Here comes the hotstepper by some raggae type dude back in the early/mid 90s, when Ragga was momentarily popular until they let know their true feelings about gays).

The playing is great, and Sonny and Michael B make it sound hot and urgent. I have no idea why people dump on this album all the time. Its much better than the sprawling and messy Emancipation, you know, I rock therefore I am is so much better than Mr Happy and all the shit on NewPowersoul. If anything to me, its The Gold experience part 2.

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Albums worse than Chaos and Disorder, (In no order as its disorder)

For You 6/10

Batman 6.5/10

Grafitti Bridge 7/10

Emancipation 6/10

Newpowersoul 2/10

Both Raves 6 and 7/10 (Because Beautiful strange takes it up)

Rainbow Children (The worst by a LONG SHOT kick de bucket) -1/10

NEWS 4/10

All of the ONA stuff (Average 5/10)

most NPGMC stuff (As above)

The Truth 3/10

Planet Earth 7/10

Musicology 7/10

20 Ten 6/10

Kamasutra, Rating not applicable

Quite a lot really


And I just thought of a few more that may be just below its level

Diamonds and Pearls 7.1/10

Prince 7.3/10

Black Album 7.2/10

Mark for C and D = 7.5/10

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BELL6983 said:

Prince worst album ever is chaos & disorder. Omg! This album sucks. I can't listen to it. Not to mention how horrible it sounds but the album go in so many directions I couldn't tell u the concept of the album.

For an album that wasnt meant to be, and is full of fillers........... The 1st half of C&D shits on anything he's released post WEA era.

callimnate said:

BELL6983 said:

Prince worst album ever is chaos & disorder. Omg! This album sucks. I can't listen to it. Not to mention how horrible it sounds but the album go in so many directions I couldn't tell u the concept of the album.

For an album that wasnt meant to be, and is full of fillers........... The 1st half of C&D shits on anything he's released post WEA era.

I think so too, far more interesting than most of the music that would follow after 1996...

Worst album/ disappointment has got to be Emancipation: 36 songs on 3 discs and not ONE song on there that I really like...

I always really liked (most of) C&D. For me Planet Earth is waaaaaaaaaay worse than C&D. That one was a real let down for me.

Wildboy said:

Compared to Come and Gold Exp does Chaos and Disorder suck? Absolutely Yes. But worst Prince album ever? Not even CLOSE. LotusFlow3r and 20ten make Chaos and Disorder sound like Sign O the Times by comparison. At the time of it's release it was for sure the lowest point in Prince's career, but next to some of his new material (where he's trying to make good music) Chaos starts to sound pretty decent.

List of albums worse then C&D:

Rainbow Children

Lotus/MPLSound

20ten

most of prince's instrumental work

Emancipation

u crazy. lotus itself, rainbow and emancipation all better than cd

MIRvmn said:

His worst album is Musicology in my opinion

one of the few that doesn't sound good whilst listening to it in a car. not hating on the album, but it sounds like a collection of vault tracks put together with the two or three songs he had written at the mo. at least C n D has sum passion behind it, even if it is misguided.

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(C&D) It's a fun album. Interesting stuff on it with a few gems. Anybody who heard Prince play I like it there at his recent tour knows what's up-just saying.

Chaos & Disorder (7) is okay,



and C&D is better than:


Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (6)
The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale (6)
The Chocolate Invasion (6)
Slaughterhouse (6)
3121 (5)
Planet Earth (5)
Newpower Soul (4)
One Nite Alone... Piano (3)
N.E.W.S. (2)
One Nite Alone... Live (2)
Indigo Nights (2)
Kamasutra (0)


Imho.

Wildboy said:

I'm going to make a blanket statement here, ANYONE who thinks TRC is better then Purple Rain has got to be some kind of religious nutball or something

Some people are just unique butterflies.

Wildboy said:

I'm going to make a blanket statement here, ANYONE who thinks TRC is better then Purple Rain has got to be some kind of religious nutball or something

BELL6983 said:

Prince album The rainbow children is Mozart's Beethoven, Leonardo da vici's The Mona Lisa .A master piece. [Edited 8/25/13 16:33pm]

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chewymusic said:

I always really liked (most of) C&D. For me Planet Earth is waaaaaaaaaay worse than C&D. That one was a real let down for me.

Yeah, Planet Earth was dreadful too, definately one of his worst albums ever...

Javi said:

Wildboy said:

I'm going to make a blanket statement here, ANYONE who thinks TRC is better then Purple Rain has got to be some kind of religious nutball or something

I find it difficult to compare them, since they're so different musically, but they're both masterpices. I definitely wouldn't know which one to choose. Both would rank between number 5 and 10 in my list of favourite Prince albums.

I agree that they are both masterpieces, for completely different reasons. The only thing they have in common is their ballsiness (non-conformist)!

NouveauDance said:

Wildboy said:

I'm going to make a blanket statement here, ANYONE who thinks TRC is better then Purple Rain has got to be some kind of religious nutball or something

Some people are just unique butterflies.

And we love you for it!

nursev said:

If we're including Kamasutra, then I'd say that's the one. Not because it isn't an interesting experiment, it just sounds unfinished, rushed, and is incohesive. Which is a shame, because it is an interesting experiment, for experiment's sake. If that's not counted, then I'd say it's a coin toss between The Chocolate Invasion and The Slaughterhouse, both of which contain much filler and average "jamz" with dated sounds.

SuperSoulFighter said:

Thee only head scratcher 4 me is Planet Earth.

mpls sound and new power soul

Lots of rock fans on this forum.

robertgeorgeakabob said:

nursev said:

Nope...it's Lovesexy and fuck u Diamonds & Pearls haters

Fuck you, Lovesexy hater!

Nothing wrong..

Lovesexy is fantastic, a masterpiece.

andykeen said:

Planet Earth OMG!! @ 20Ten

I'll even throw in "New Power Soul." Even though it's not credited as a Prince or album, it sux balls!!!

luv2tha99s said:

The strange, but almost wonderful thing about Prince's albums is that that they are all controversial and flawed, in some form, way or fashion...

Even Purple Rain. For some, it's too much 'rock', not enough 'funk' and 'soul'. Besides he 'sold out' lol.

Silly of course, but it could be valid to some type of fan that really just isn't into all that, despite PR being Prince's break through signature album and containing several of his best songs ever.

Lovesexy? Yes, it's a musical masterpiece, as if Mozart himself was guiding him, as well as a lyricaly inspiring and uplifting album, as if God Himself was guiding him. But when you would let your friends listen to Prince for the 1st time, do you give them the Purple rain album first or Lovesexy? No comparison there as in popular appeal and the sheer quality of songs.

SOTT cannot escape the axe of scrutiny either. Sure, it's Prince's 'magnus opus' and what not, but it never was what Prince intended. He intended a triple album release, including much of the crystal ball, dream factory and camille stuff we then officially missed out on. It should have contained everything Prince is about. But because WB didn't want it, we got 'Slow love'...


Batman sucked and still sucks, compared to everything he produced before. But as soon as you take it as the one off album it was meant to be, and get into the mood of it, the spirit and groove of the album, it's actually a terrific soundtrack by a terrific artist, magically pulling music and lyrics out of a terrific motion picture. Really getting you into it.


Graffiti Bridge is in reality a Wonderful album, as soon as you take off all the associated artists (except WCF) and forget about the movie. Truly, a great album.

Diamonds and Pearls is commercially, one of Prince's best albums; one of those with the most hits (Gett off, Cream, Diamonds and Pearls, Money dont matter 2night). A true commercial success. It's just that it came along with the age of the CD and rap/hiphop, which also changed Prince's music but didn't do the album much good. Take out Daddy Pop, Jughead and Push and you have an outstanding Prince album.

I could go on and on. For You bad? You don't know what you are talking about fool! For You is musically one of Prince's best albums. The only problem is it lacks hits and the performance, lyrics, arrangement and production wasn't yet the 'Prince' we got to know later with Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999. But even those albums have their flaws and controversy. Obviously!

HOWEVER, I do tend to agree and think something changed after the split up with WB. Prince also changed his 'tune', his 'style' and his 'direction' after that.

It's a matter of taste ultimately whether you think the 'R&B sound', style of song writing and production, lack of guitar playing and way of singing, that some call 'plastic', such as on Emancipation, NPS and Rave, is any good or not. But it definitely changed Prince's music.

Then again what he still gave to WB in those years with Chaos and disorder ('rock') and The vault OF4S ('jazz') was incohesive and 'chaotic'. Not without thought, but with seemingly malicious thought and intent to diminish what could have been. Good music and performances, but with an exception here and there, not anything magnificent and leaving something of a bitter aftertaste; "contractual obligations" or 'filler'.


TRC is one of Prince's best albums, as far as music, production and performance speaking, undisputedly. I personally think the lyrics are pretty genius as well, but I am also aware they have been misunderstood and taken as offensive by quite a lot of people, rightfully or wrongly. Then again, they were intended to light such a spark: "the new controversial album by Prince"

What came after, well, with a few exceptions I would not say it is 'bad', because Prince's bad shit is still better and 'badder' than other popular artist's bad shit. But I do think he has been taking a low ride for most of the time. Musicology really doesn't cut it for me. 3121 has its good moments, but also lacks in quality. PE is solid for half of it, unstable and unworthy for the other half.


Lotus flower is a spectacular exception. It's a very good, solid album. Well produced and performed, some outstanding tracks even. But a shame that it got glewed to its ugly brother and sister. It deserved better than that.

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I am feeling bold tonight, so let me feel free to "curse in the church" some more, as we say in Dutch.

Around the world in a Day. Beautiful abum, what a hidden treasure! But leave out She's always in my hair and instead put Tamborine on the album?! 'Blasphemey'! lol


Oh, let me continue with Cristopher Tracy's PARADE>>> just the title track itself

WTH?


Do U lie? Why no Old Friends 4 sale instead? Such a waste...


Oh and I LOVE 1999; one of my favorite Prince albums. Pretty much the album that proves Prince is really BAD. Yet, somewhere you just know, that he really doesn't want to be so bad... lol

Controversy could have been a masterpiece, if he just wouldn't have "jacked me off", Little richard rock and roll style, in the end of it all. And Dirty Mind would have been much more solid if he wouldn't have turned 'Gotta a broken heart again' on it, as one of the most intoxicating and sweet, 'romantic' songs he has ever made.

Same goes for 'When 2 R in love' on the Black album. I mean: What the>>>??!!

Let there be no misunderstanding, for the die hard Parade fans: I think Parade is among his best albums. But it also has some serious flaws.

Another way of saying it, is that even Prince's best albums are not 'perfect'. Not objectively speaking and certainly not subjectively.

But what matters is if you can enjoy EVERY album. I admit having a hard time with NPS, Rave, Musicology, 3121, MPLSsound and 20Ten. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy any of it.

I think Future soul song for example is a really good song. And so is Here. Or Love, The Word or Musicology. But the rest? Mwha...

I love Chaos and Disorder. I have to admit, when I first heard it, I was a little taken back, not sure what to think. I thought "Right the Wrong" sounded like a Branson, Mo showstopper, and trust me, I know, I went to college near Branson. But the more it sunk in, the more I started to excite me. It is one of my favorite Prince/ albums.

One argument I always hear about this album is that the songs seem underproduced and the flow of the album is inconsistant. I beg to differ....the songs are filled in just right, and the flow of the songs fit together seamlessly IMHO. I put the flow of this cd up against Purple Rain any day.

with the exception of 3 songs, emancipation is terrible. i love chaos & disorder, one of my faves