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Thread started 08/19/13 4:30am

toejam

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RECIPE: Prince's indregients

2 parts James Brown
1.5 parts Sly Stone
1 part Carlos Santana
1 part Jimi Hendrix
1 part Stevie Wonder
1 part George Clinton/P-Funk
1 part Larry Graham
1 part Joni Mitchell
1 part Led Zeppelin
1 part Al Green/Smokey Robinson/Curtis Mayfield, classic soul crooners
0.5 part Beatles
0.5 part Miles Davis/Herbie Hancock/Weather Report fusion
0.3 part Duke Ellington

Mix thoroughly wink
That's how I see it. How would you break down the ingredients that make up Prince's music?

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Reply #1 posted 08/19/13 4:42am

Javi

Nice combination. However, I miss Gary Numan and, in general, the European electro-pop influences.

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Reply #2 posted 08/19/13 4:46am

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^Ah. Yes! Of course! So add a splash of that also!

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Reply #3 posted 08/19/13 5:11am

Javi

Mmm... it tastes much better... biggrin

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Reply #4 posted 08/19/13 8:25am

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Throw some Kate Bush in2 the mix!
But seriously, those electro-pop influences more or less disappeared after, say, 1987. After that, Prince's music has been mostly soul/funk based. Having George Clinton, Mavis Staples, Larry Graham & Chaka Khan around must have been part of that. Hell, who would NOT jump at the chance of playing with your musical idols? But it's also true that a lot of the 80s Prince fans, like Javi, are not so much into soul and funk.. And that's one of the reasons they're not so impressed with his later records.
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Reply #5 posted 08/19/13 8:26am

Tempest

What about his lyrics? Aren't they part of the music package as well? Can we include a little humor & playfulness in the recipe? Prince has a great sense of humor. biggrin

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I say a pinch of George Carlin & Woody Allen. wink

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[Edited 8/19/13 8:32am]

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Reply #6 posted 08/19/13 8:36am

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Hold the Larry Graham, it gives me hives. razz

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Reply #7 posted 08/19/13 8:45am

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Hold the Larry Graham, it gives me hives. razz


Sorry, girl, he belongs in there whether you like it or not! Listen to the old GCS albums and then tell me what there is that Prince did that Larry didn't do first. Prince himself would be the first to admit this.
Oh and we need a part Chuck Berry/Bo Diddley/Little Richard rock & roll as well.
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Reply #8 posted 08/19/13 9:02am

3rdeyedude

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Don't forget Musical Youth.

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Reply #9 posted 08/19/13 11:05am

Tempest

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Hold the Larry Graham, it gives me hives. razz

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He gives me MORE than the hives. Just sayin'. ill

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Reply #10 posted 08/19/13 11:08am

Tempest

Can we add a sprinkle of King Solomon too? king

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Some of those love ballads remind me of something King Solomon would write (ie, Song of Songs).

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Reply #11 posted 08/19/13 1:11pm

Javi

SuperSoulFighter said:

Throw some Kate Bush in2 the mix! But seriously, those electro-pop influences more or less disappeared after, say, 1987. After that, Prince's music has been mostly soul/funk based. Having George Clinton, Mavis Staples, Larry Graham & Chaka Khan around must have been part of that. Hell, who would NOT jump at the chance of playing with your musical idols? But it's also true that a lot of the 80s Prince fans, like Javi, are not so much into soul and funk.. And that's one of the reasons they're not so impressed with his later records.

Kate Bush is a wonderful ingredient!

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Yes, the electro-pop influences cover mainly the 80's. But do you really think Prince's pop-rock side isn't relevant since 1988? I think there are many brilliant pop-rock tunes in the 90's, for example on Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds And Pearls and The Gold Experience. And what about Planet Earth? I see that album as a kind of Around The World In A Day Reloaded, with little pop gems like "All The Midnights In The World", "Resolution" and "Lion Of Judah", in which one notice the work of Wendy and Lisa again. You know, I think the whole Prince career is mainly soul/funk (which are genres I love), but I think he has continued making great pop-rock tunes until now.

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Reply #12 posted 08/19/13 1:30pm

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^No, what I meant was that you don't hear a lot of the early 80s electronic sound in his music any more, except on an album like MPLSound.
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Reply #13 posted 08/19/13 2:21pm

dJJ

Mix in cream and chocolate.


Let it bake.


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Reply #14 posted 08/19/13 5:29pm

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Y'all are making Cutie Pie. smile
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Reply #15 posted 08/19/13 6:12pm

dJJ

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Y'all are making Cutie Pie. smile


lol lol

You prefer steamed or baked??

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Reply #16 posted 08/19/13 7:50pm

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You only need 4 ingredients and some seasoning:

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1/4 James Brown

1/4 Little Richard

1/4 Jimi Hendrix

1/4 Sly Stone

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Sprinkle some John Lennon in there and presto-

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Prince!

"New Power slide...."
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Reply #17 posted 08/19/13 9:40pm

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toejam said:

2 parts James Brown
1.5 parts Sly Stone
1 part Carlos Santana
1 part Jimi Hendrix
1 part Stevie Wonder
1 part George Clinton/P-Funk
1 part Larry Graham
1 part Joni Mitchell
1 part Led Zeppelin
1 part Al Green/Smokey Robinson/Curtis Mayfield, classic soul crooners
0.5 part Beatles
0.5 part Miles Davis/Herbie Hancock/Weather Report fusion
0.3 part Duke Ellington

Mix thoroughly wink
That's how I see it. How would you break down the ingredients that make up Prince's music?

In addition to the above, add:

1 tablespoon of Little Richard

1 tablespoon of Rick James

1 tablespoon of Charlie Chaplin

1 teaspoon of of Todd Rundgren

1 teaspoon of Gary Numan

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[Edited 8/19/13 22:42pm]

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Reply #18 posted 08/19/13 9:50pm

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skywalker said:

You only need 4 ingredients and some seasoning:

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1/4 James Brown

1/4 Little Richard

1/4 Jimi Hendrix

1/4 Sly Stone

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Sprinkle some John Lennon in there and presto-

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Prince!

That's the Original Recipe and it was damn good!!!

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Reply #19 posted 08/19/13 10:41pm

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Chaka Khan and Little Richard - can't believe I forgot those two!! Both crucial to Prince's sound. Add a part of each of them too.

I have to stick with Larry - love him or hate him, there's no denying his musical influence. Listen to Larry's early records with Graham Central Station.

I also agree with the Charlie Chaplin influences, but for this thread I'm talking musical influences.

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Reply #20 posted 08/19/13 10:48pm

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Tempest said:

George Carlin


Now THAT would be one interesting conversation to listen in on - Prince and George Carlin. The only thing I can imagine them agreeing on would be some government conspiracy plot - chemtrails or something lol. But other than that, I think Prince and Carlin would be like chalk and cheese.

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Reply #21 posted 08/20/13 2:05am

Javi

SuperSoulFighter said:

^No, what I meant was that you don't hear a lot of the early 80s electronic sound in his music any more, except on an album like MPLSound.

With that I can agree.

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However, the sound of early 80's Prince, that funk-pop mixture, with the Linn and the synths, although it hasn't continued during the 90's and the 00's, is somewhat considered Prince's signature sound, his most recognisable sound. I'm not saying it is his best sound, but that it is the essence of the so-called "Minneapolis sound", and that it instantly evokes Prince when other artists use it.

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Reply #22 posted 08/20/13 4:56am

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Gary Newman!? confused

How has The Rolling Stones NOT made this recipe!?

They have been a MAJOR influence throughout his career. Maybe not so much now.



Gary Newman. Seriously!?
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Reply #23 posted 08/20/13 5:22am

novabrkr

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Gary Newman!? confused How has The Rolling Stones NOT made this recipe!? They have been a MAJOR influence throughout his career. Maybe not so much now. Gary Newman. Seriously!?

Shocked? Prince was apparently a big fan of him around Controversy / 1999.

What these "Prince is a mixture of Jimi Hendrix, Sly Stone and James Brown" statements always seem to miss is the huge role synthesizers and technology has always played in his music. They're overlooking the obvious.

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Reply #24 posted 08/20/13 5:40am

Tempest

toejam said:

Tempest said:

George Carlin


Now THAT would be one interesting conversation to listen in on - Prince and George Carlin. The only thing I can imagine them agreeing on would be some government conspiracy plot - chemtrails or something lol. But other than that, I think Prince and Carlin would be like chalk and cheese.

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lol @ chalk & cheese.

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I think they both have (in George's case "had") a deep love for words, word play & linguistic humor. That was my thinking on Carlin & Prince. wink

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Reply #25 posted 08/20/13 5:41am

Javi

novabrkr said:

callimnate said:

Gary Newman!? confused How has The Rolling Stones NOT made this recipe!? They have been a MAJOR influence throughout his career. Maybe not so much now. Gary Newman. Seriously!?

Shocked? Prince was apparently a big fan of him around Controversy / 1999.

What these "Prince is a mixture of Jimi Hendrix, Sly Stone and James Brown" statements always seem to miss is the huge role synthesizers and technology has always played in his music. They're overlooking the obvious.

I totally agree.

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Also, the "Jimi-James-Sly" statements miss how competitive Prince has always been. By the beginning of the 80's, the most avant-garde and commercial music was made by the British electropop acts. Numan, yes, but also John Foxx, Human League, Culture Club, Duran Duran, etc. Prince worked with technology like them, and, as usual with him, wanted to beat them, both artistically and commercially. This also has to do with the famous "crossover" he aimed to obtain in the 80's.

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And you just can't link Prince to the funk godfathers James Brown and Sly Stone because Prince has a great gift for melody, more significant than that of his funk predecessors. That also connects Prince with the European electropop bands.

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Reply #26 posted 08/20/13 5:42am

Tempest

Is anyone else getting an ERROR on this thread? Top of the page in pink? Or, am I the only one seeing it? confuse

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Reply #27 posted 08/20/13 7:51am

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I actually think that Prince's guitar playing was heavily influenced (especially late 90's early 00s) by shuggie otis.
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Reply #28 posted 08/20/13 11:00pm

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Javi said:

novabrkr said:

Shocked? Prince was apparently a big fan of him around Controversy / 1999.

What these "Prince is a mixture of Jimi Hendrix, Sly Stone and James Brown" statements always seem to miss is the huge role synthesizers and technology has always played in his music. They're overlooking the obvious.

I totally agree.

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Also, the "Jimi-James-Sly" statements miss how competitive Prince has always been. By the beginning of the 80's, the most avant-garde and commercial music was made by the British electropop acts. Numan, yes, but also John Foxx, Human League, Culture Club, Duran Duran, etc. Prince worked with technology like them, and, as usual with him, wanted to beat them, both artistically and commercially. This also has to do with the famous "crossover" he aimed to obtain in the 80's.

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And you just can't link Prince to the funk godfathers James Brown and Sly Stone because Prince has a great gift for melody, more significant than that of his funk predecessors. That also connects Prince with the European electropop bands.

And don't forget that the Family was born partly because P "wanted to get him some Duran Duran money."

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Reply #29 posted 08/20/13 11:01pm

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OK..Am I the only one who thinks that there's some Rick James flavour in Prince's ingredients??? C'mon now eek.

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