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PrintableEfan said: Maybe he's not really denouncing the sexual. I think he was just concentrating on something else in The Rainbow Children. I don't think it was contradictory for him to go from Lovesexy to Gett Off or any other "dirty" song--his songs seemed to be saying that you could have sex and believe in God at the same time. And I think it makes sense that it then progressed to "Sex between two people is all right, if all the love in the world is what they got." This is just my opinion, but it's one of the things that made me like Prince in the first place: You could have sex if you wanted and still make it to heaven. That was what was pretty revolutionary about his music to me and really drew me in as a fan. That was a spiritual vision very few people had the courage to speak about before him. That is a well argued point, Efan. | |
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origmnd said: I suppose he lacked a certain disipline
This should be interesting. Also, when did he question the existence of God?on each of those occasions as he sort of "slipped" back to his old ways. It might have to be examined further to see if specific conditions permeated him at the time. Maybe drugs, dissapointing relationships ... also I've noticed he has even questioned the existence of God. [This message was edited Wed Mar 12 21:40:37 PST 2003 by origmnd] | |
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grandebelle said: [color=blue:e970a35a2b:b75f529842] Not at all!!prince never thought sex was dirty or sinfull. if he did things that he feels he need repent 4, it's HIS personal business.i do feel he always connected sex with religion/spirituality.ALOT of his SEX antics on stage were a gimic imho. the FANS loved it. he was "different".however, his music and lyrics are definately sexual & sensuous, right up to this day, but one must listen and carefully analyze the meanings of his music. what may seem sexually oriented, is really meant 2 b spiritual. he connects them closely. if u r asking if prince is more religious now than in the past? yes. but not bcuz he feels like he's a sinner, and needs to repent heavily so that God accepts him. 1st; he ALWAYS was religious in one form or another. (meaning different kinds) NOW, he is more so. imho, i feel he's also still not connected to any ONE denomination as some ppl feel. he studied many different religions in his past. what he has embraced & what he hasnt isnt all that clear to anyone but HIM. i really doubt he converted to any "certain" one, no matter that he hangs with larry G. he believes in ONE God though, and that we were created by him. going off subject, sorry, but we ALL have things we regret doing. God 4gives us ALL. i'm SURE prince knows this. Point taken; of course, it's his own business if he's repenting. This discussion is merely to understand if that is the case (repenting on past actions?), why, and if there is a significant repercussion on the music.
Given his previous transitions into being 'righteous' before the eyes of God, which have appeared and then been seen to be put on the backburner, I am wondering whether we can continue to expect a progression/regression in ideology. What factors might bring that about? | |
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HappySunshine said: Anji said: I wonder if there is anybody that does not want to see Prince get nasty again. More importantly, will it really be to the detriment of his music if he decides not to sin again?
Hold up! Who said gettin' nasty was a sin? | |
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For the record, I don't believe Prince is repenting for his past actions of embracing sex in the eyes of God. | |
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Anji said:[quote]Prince's music embraced sex before the eyes of God. Do you think he is repenting for his past actions?
Prince, a spiritual soul, driving a sexy race car. He seems torn between God and temptation. He searches for answers wondering the wrongs and the rights of human desire. Many of his fams/fans, have identified with his SEARCH, and understand that side of finding God's will in their life. In Controversy, he recites the "Lords Prayer" and goes on... People call me rude I wish we were all nude I wish there was no black and white I wish there were no rules Do I believe in God? Do I believe in me? Let me tell ya...Some people wanna die so they can be free (I said) Life is just a game, we're all just the same Don't ya wanna play? In this song alone, he is addressing, Race, Sex, Rules, and GOD. I believe that he has been searching for answers for a long time as to what God expects of him, and it appears that maybe he is has found a new course for his life. | |
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Somehow nowadays in a twisted Way He looks at His Past&doesn't like what He sees.and has moved on.He wanted to do this during the Symbol Era as well,but He didn't have the Light to guide Him there&no matter where you stand on Larry Graham He was the Bridge that helped Cross Prince fully over from His Past.Prince wants Elements from his Past but not the full Baggage that Came from then.He has truly moved on. mistermaxxx | |
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Anji said: I wonder if there is anybody that does not want to see Prince get nasty again. More importantly, will it really be to the detriment of his music if he decides not to sin again?
I don't want to see Prince get nasty again, per se, just for the sake of getting nasty and to satisfy the primal desires of certain of his fans. He doesn't have to prove anything to me by resorting back to ground he covered in a multitude of ways years ago. Maybe it's because I'm older myself. It's like, "Been there; done that!" His song writing is not going to necessarily reflect the hormones, angst, passions, and libido of his youth anymore. And this really has nothing to do with The Watchtower. He's a grown man now. Yes, a middle-aged man. Generally speaking, all R&B, Soul, Funk music...the music of black people in America...has combined elements of God and Sex. The sensual and the spiritual. This dichotomy was/is in many a performer. Many black performers got their start where?... in churches, singing Gospel music. Their roots are there. Blacks have always worshipped God in the spirit of King David as he brought back the ark of the covenant. With singing, dancing, and instruments. Making a joyful noise unto the Lord. From the heart, from the soul(with emotion) and IN THE SPIRIT. They sing a new song, lamenting and/or rejoicing. II Samuel 6; Read the Psalms When these singers decided to do other music(i.e. secular?), they brought that vibrancy right along with them. Listening to their songs often is like "havin' chutch"! When they sing of love, loss and heartache and heartbreak, life's trials and difficulties, and yes, even sex, the overtones of a deep spirituality saturate their themes. A man sings of his love for a woman as if it's the very love of God. Her love "SAVES" him. The Barkays once sang about love being like the Holy Ghost! Ben E. King sang, Your love, your love is a supernatural thing. There are a multitude of examples from Al Green, to Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, ad infinitum. What Prince did was go steps further lyrically...more explicit than the very Song of Solomon in the Bible...and gave us raw sex/sexuality itself as a spiritual experience. He even explored and covered what many would consider sexual taboos. It's like lyrically he's been to the bedroom of King Solomon, the adulterous bedroom of David and Bathsheba, the Holy of Holies in the Temple experiencing the Shekinah of God, the streets of Sodom and Gomorrah, to the house of Babylon the Mother of Harlots, to the bedroom of Ruth and Boaz to that of Samson and Delilah. He's painted his face like Jezebel and called on God like Jabez. He's taken his fans on a fantastic musical journey. He can still be sensual, sexual and spiritual at this point in his life without being explicit. Prince may yet surprise us all. More power to him. | |
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mistermcgee said: Anji said: I wonder if there is anybody that does not want to see Prince get nasty again. More importantly, will it really be to the detriment of his music if he decides not to sin again?
I don't want to see Prince get nasty again, per se, just for the sake of getting nasty and to satisfy the primal desires of certain of his fans. He doesn't have to prove anything to me by resorting back to ground he covered in a multitude of ways years ago. Maybe it's because I'm older myself. It's like, "Been there; done that!" His song writing is not going to necessarily reflect the hormones, angst, passions, and libido of his youth anymore. And this really has nothing to do with The Watchtower. He's a grown man now. Yes, a middle-aged man. Generally speaking, all R&B, Soul, Funk music...the music of black people in America...has combined elements of God and Sex. The sensual and the spiritual. This dichotomy was/is in many a performer. Many black performers got their start where?... in churches, singing Gospel music. Their roots are there. Blacks have always worshipped God in the spirit of King David as he brought back the ark of the covenant. With singing, dancing, and instruments. Making a joyful noise unto the Lord. From the heart, from the soul(with emotion) and IN THE SPIRIT. They sing a new song, lamenting and/or rejoicing. II Samuel 6; Read the Psalms When these singers decided to do other music(i.e. secular?), they brought that vibrancy right along with them. Listening to their songs often is like "havin' chutch"! When they sing of love, loss and heartache and heartbreak, life's trials and difficulties, and yes, even sex, the overtones of a deep spirituality saturate their themes. A man sings of his love for a woman as if it's the very love of God. Her love "SAVES" him. The Barkays once sang about love being like the Holy Ghost! Ben E. King sang, Your love, your love is a supernatural thing. There are a multitude of examples from Al Green, to Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, ad infinitum. What Prince did was go steps further lyrically...more explicit than the very Song of Solomon in the Bible...and gave us raw sex/sexuality itself as a spiritual experience. He even explored and covered what many would consider sexual taboos. It's like lyrically he's been to the bedroom of King Solomon, the adulterous bedroom of David and Bathsheba, the Holy of Holies in the Temple experiencing the Shekinah of God, the streets of Sodom and Gomorrah, to the house of Babylon the Mother of Harlots, to the bedroom of Ruth and Boaz to that of Samson and Delilah. He's painted his face like Jezebel and called on God like Jabez. He's taken his fans on a fantastic musical journey. He can still be sensual, sexual and spiritual at this point in his life without being explicit. Prince may yet surprise us all. More power to him. Now that is serious. We needed it...  | |
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naturegirl said: Many of his fams/fans, have identified with his SEARCH, and understand that side of finding God's will in their life.
I believe that he has been searching for answers for a long time as to what God expects of him, and it appears that maybe he is has found a new course for his life. True.  | |
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mistermaxxx said: Somehow nowadays in a twisted Way He looks at His Past&doesn't like what He sees.and has moved on.He wanted to do this during the Symbol Era as well,but He didn't have the Light to guide Him there&no matter where you stand on Larry Graham He was the Bridge that helped Cross Prince fully over from His Past.Prince wants Elements from his Past but not the full Baggage that Came from then.He has truly moved on. Has that ever appeared to happen before, maxxx? | |
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Anji said: mistermaxxx said: Somehow nowadays in a twisted Way He looks at His Past&doesn't like what He sees.and has moved on.He wanted to do this during the Symbol Era as well,but He didn't have the Light to guide Him there&no matter where you stand on Larry Graham He was the Bridge that helped Cross Prince fully over from His Past.Prince wants Elements from his Past but not the full Baggage that Came from then.He has truly moved on. Has that ever appeared to happen before, maxxx?mistermaxxx | |
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Revolution said: PRINCE,SEX,AND GOD...ONE IN THE SAME!
I agree with this ,somewhat.I don't think sex is a sin or is bad.It can be mutated into a sin based on someone's intentions.I do not think it is inherantly negative.What is more beautiful than what two people can do in each other's embrace? A person can be irresponsible with sex and cause so much harm.A person can be irresponsible with their ideology on God and cause so much pain.These items are together and seperate.They are not in and of themselves bad.They are only bad when warped.And Prince used it ina warped way by saying "I wanna fuck the taste outta your mouth" and in LCD.(I want to clarify that the " taste" quote is only warped because of the way I interpret it.He may have not meant it that way. think it could be cool to be in love and make whoopie aggressively)And we ALL have seen how religion can be at the root of mass destruction. "I'm a pig..so,magic elixir I swill" | |
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mistermaxxx said: Anji said: mistermaxxx said: Somehow nowadays in a twisted Way He looks at His Past&doesn't like what He sees.and has moved on.He wanted to do this during the Symbol Era as well,but He didn't have the Light to guide Him there&no matter where you stand on Larry Graham He was the Bridge that helped Cross Prince fully over from His Past.Prince wants Elements from his Past but not the full Baggage that Came from then.He has truly moved on. Has that ever appeared to happen before, maxxx? | |
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Anji said: grandebelle said: [color=blue:e970a35a2b:b75f529842:fb784aa5de:3352c0251c] Not at all!!prince never thought sex was dirty or sinfull. if he did things that he feels he need repent 4, it's HIS personal business.i do feel he always connected sex with religion/spirituality.ALOT of his SEX antics on stage were a gimic imho. the FANS loved it. he was "different".however, his music and lyrics are definately sexual & sensuous, right up to this day, but one must listen and carefully analyze the meanings of his music. what may seem sexually oriented, is really meant 2 b spiritual. he connects them closely. if u r asking if prince is more religious now than in the past? yes. but not bcuz he feels like he's a sinner, and needs to repent heavily so that God accepts him. 1st; he ALWAYS was religious in one form or another. (meaning different kinds) NOW, he is more so. imho, i feel he's also still not connected to any ONE denomination as some ppl feel. he studied many different religions in his past. what he has embraced & what he hasnt isnt all that clear to anyone but HIM. i really doubt he converted to any "certain" one, no matter that he hangs with larry G. he believes in ONE God though, and that we were created by him. going off subject, sorry, but we ALL have things we regret doing. God 4gives us ALL. i'm SURE prince knows this. Point taken; of course, it's his own business if he's repenting. This discussion is merely to understand if that is the case (repenting on past actions?), why, and if there is a significant repercussion on the music.
Given his previous transitions into being 'righteous' before the eyes of God, which have appeared and then been seen to be put on the backburner, I am wondering whether we can continue to expect a progression/regression in ideology. What factors might bring that about? IMHO, i feel prince will continue his journey into spirituality thus affecting not only his lifestyle, but surely his music, in a new & ALWAYS creative way 4 him, i.e. what he has produced this past year. his "new direction". he continues to mix sensuality with spirituality, but in a much more eloquent manner. he's doing what he wants 2 do. ppl sitting around waiting 4 him to shed his clothes on stage & start cussing again will be dissapointed. once u find God, u hardly ever turn ur back on him. he's trying 2 live life the "right" way. whats "right 4 him", & his music does & will project this. he truly seems happy now & thats all that matters. he trys to please his fams, but realizes he has to put himself 1st now. and thats SEXY! [This message was edited Thu Mar 13 19:21:01 PST 2003 by grandebelle] May the BELLS ring 4 U even when ur not in love.   | |
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mistermcgee said: Anji said: I wonder if there is anybody that does not want to see Prince get nasty again. More importantly, will it really be to the detriment of his music if he decides not to sin again?
I don't want to see Prince get nasty again, per se, just for the sake of getting nasty and to satisfy the primal desires of certain of his fans. He doesn't have to prove anything to me by resorting back to ground he covered in a multitude of ways years ago. Maybe it's because I'm older myself. It's like, "Been there; done that!" His song writing is not going to necessarily reflect the hormones, angst, passions, and libido of his youth anymore. And this really has nothing to do with The Watchtower. He's a grown man now. Yes, a middle-aged man. Generally speaking, all R&B, Soul, Funk music...the music of black people in America...has combined elements of God and Sex. The sensual and the spiritual. This dichotomy was/is in many a performer. Many black performers got their start where?... in churches, singing Gospel music. Their roots are there. Blacks have always worshipped God in the spirit of King David as he brought back the ark of the covenant. With singing, dancing, and instruments. Making a joyful noise unto the Lord. From the heart, from the soul(with emotion) and IN THE SPIRIT. They sing a new song, lamenting and/or rejoicing. II Samuel 6; Read the Psalms When these singers decided to do other music(i.e. secular?), they brought that vibrancy right along with them. Listening to their songs often is like "havin' chutch"! When they sing of love, loss and heartache and heartbreak, life's trials and difficulties, and yes, even sex, the overtones of a deep spirituality saturate their themes. A man sings of his love for a woman as if it's the very love of God. Her love "SAVES" him. The Barkays once sang about love being like the Holy Ghost! Ben E. King sang, Your love, your love is a supernatural thing. There are a multitude of examples from Al Green, to Marvin Gaye, Aretha Franklin, ad infinitum. What Prince did was go steps further lyrically...more explicit than the very Song of Solomon in the Bible...and gave us raw sex/sexuality itself as a spiritual experience. He even explored and covered what many would consider sexual taboos. It's like lyrically he's been to the bedroom of King Solomon, the adulterous bedroom of David and Bathsheba, the Holy of Holies in the Temple experiencing the Shekinah of God, the streets of Sodom and Gomorrah, to the house of Babylon the Mother of Harlots, to the bedroom of Ruth and Boaz to that of Samson and Delilah. He's painted his face like Jezebel and called on God like Jabez. He's taken his fans on a fantastic musical journey. He can still be sensual, sexual and spiritual at this point in his life without being explicit. Prince may yet surprise us all. More power to him. Go deep, go deep. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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