THIS is about Prince's career, the quality of his many recent albums, or the lack of quality so to speak:


Back in '95, Prince chose his "freedom"... since then it all went downhill with his recordsales..

Prince is still an amazing artist, very successful in doing concerts, but noone can say he's rather sucessful in selling music. He used to. But. Not anymore.


don't you believe he needs another strong record company like Warner Bros to back him up... and to keep his career on track with promotion, marketing, etc..


Look at Prince's career now in 2013, we are a few dedicated fans left... his career seems to be in the wilderness:


I don't know the company Kobalt, I wish them luck, I think they are gonna need a lot of luck if they shall succeed with Prince, to get his career on track again.


Oh no, how could he "f*ck up his career" like that. I need to see Prince being successful again, he is such an amazing "living legend", he doesn't deserve to be left in shadows.

But it's not gonna be easy, that is my guess...:


Good luck to Kobalt. Let's hope for a surprise... a BIG 2013, like he once said... pleeaase...

What exactly is wrong with his career again.. Mf'ers would die to have his career right now.. I am trying to envsion what career you want him to have.. He seems to be doing perfectly fine to me. Hell, he is on the landng page of the Drudge Report today...

lwr001 said:

What exactly is wrong with his career again.. Mf'ers would die to have his career right now.. I am trying to envsion what career you want him to have.. He seems to be doing perfectly fine to me. Hell, he is on the landng page of the Drudge Report today...

Exactly. I think some fans are in too deep thinking they know which way his career should go, when it's not theirs to decide.

thedance said:

. I need to see Prince being successful again,

Trust me, we know you do, but does Prince aspire for the same?

Perhaps, just perhaps, not as much as you, or we, might think.

lwr001 said:

What exactly is wrong with his career again.. Mf'ers would die to have his career right now.. I am trying to envsion what career you want him to have.. He seems to be doing perfectly fine to me. Hell, he is on the landng page of the Drudge Report today...

I'm so tired of reading the same bullshit over and over again by people who have no clue about how the music industry works

Do these people think a good career is being on the top 40 and this only? Mass media breainwashing if u ask me. The fact that Prince's career is one of the brightest success in modern music history, in terms of both money and recognition, they can't see. The fact that millions of musician would sell their mom and dad for a 10th of the success Prince enjoys nowadays, including musicians signed on major labels, they can't see either. Why? Because to them the music industry is the Top 40 and the shit that plays on mainstream radios... Guess what guys: it AIN'T.

Oh and BTW it's the "Prince is over and done" thread of the week. I was thinking yesterday: already Thursday and it hasn't popped-up yet? How odd! I can't wait for next week's thread

oh btw, what and who has Warner's put on in recent years, their track record isn't nothing to scream about.. The biggest story in music the last couple of weeks is the Jay-Z bundle ans soundscan not counting. I could have sworn Prince did that shit almost 10 years ago and got them counted..He sucks at business though

Prince's career is fine. He's been in the business for decades. Still packs arenas. Can get small gigs at the drop of a hat and is rich enough to make his whims a reality. He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone or to validate his creer to a bunch of teenagers. He is Prince! Young artists are more in awe of being handed an award by him than recieving the award itself.

And it been about 2 to 3 weeks for this well thought out thread to manifest. Expect the next one late July/early August.

SuperSoulFighter said:

You're getting two things mixed up, thedance: The fact that U & I are not impressed by his new music doesn't mean his career is going off-rail! He's very successful. He's got exactly what he wanted: musical freedom and millions of dollars. The price he had to pay for this is no longer being a top ten hit making artist. But really, who is at 55?

Best answer so far..

If Prince is sucessful or not, well I guess it depends on what goals you have, the criteria you have for success..

I still hope Prince has a few more goals to "go after", there gotta be more for him, to his career than musical freedom - and... money...

I wish Prince would be "ambitious" again, and have more goals than to "satisfy" his rather small fanbase. Imo it would be great to see him being recoqnized among the mainstream, a big audience.. once again.

But again, it looks really difficult for him, now. And I am not saying I have any answers for him..

SpiritOtter said:

thedance said:

. I need to see Prince being successful again,

Trust me, we know you do, but does Prince aspire for the same?

Perhaps, just perhaps, not as much as you, or we, might think.

Agreed. He moved beyond that need a long time ago.

I'd almost be horrified to see him in the charts or on some shit MTV-type station surrounded by people beneath him in terms of skill, artistry or longevity.

thedance said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

You're getting two things mixed up, thedance: The fact that U & I are not impressed by his new music doesn't mean his career is going off-rail! He's very successful. He's got exactly what he wanted: musical freedom and millions of dollars. The price he had to pay for this is no longer being a top ten hit making artist. But really, who is at 55?

Best answer so far..

If Prince is sucessful or not, well I guess it depends on what goals you have, the criteria you have for success..

I still hope Prince has a few more goals to "go after", there gotta be more for him, to his career than musical freedom - and... money...

I wish Prince would be "ambitious" again, and have more goals than to "satisfy" his rather small fanbase. Imo it would be great to see him being recoqnized among the mainstream, a big audience.. once again.

But again, it looks really difficult for him, now. And I am not saying I have any answers for him..

He is recognozed amonsgt the mainstream..He has a huge auduience...what part of his career currently am i missing...or should i say that "you are missing"?

errant said:

I miss the middle man. Because I'm not 12, and when I want to hear new music by my favorite artist, I don't really want it to be a scavenger hunt every single time.

fair enough.. valid answer...

My name is Prince, I don't wanna be king
'Cause I've seen the top and it's just a dream
Big cars and women and fancy clothes
Will save your face but it won't save your soul

I'm here to tell you that there's a better way
Would our Lord be happy if He came today?
I ain't sayin' I'm better, no better than you
But if you want to play with me, you better learn the rules

while i agree with alot of the people who say "it doesnt matter" ... i will also say that he runs the risk of being "non" relevant ...

I was watching the fireworks show last night ... and Cher was on ... i mean ... talk about someone with very lil talent ... but ... she looked great .. and what is she like 70? and still dancing around lip synchin ...

and Mariah . oh . gawd . is this what we have become .

the worst yet - was Usher - pretending now he is a fireworks expert ... having a few fun songs on the fireworks show and then ... ugh ... having 4 in a row by himself ... what a twit .

By the way - whatever happened to the Prince tribute show ... that was supposed to be on Tv ... with all the stars showing up .... like the MJ tribute thing that was on .... where michael sat up in a box like the king of Nimrod....

lwr001 said:

errant said:

I miss the middle man. Because I'm not 12, and when I want to hear new music by my favorite artist, I don't really want it to be a scavenger hunt every single time.

fair enough.. valid answer...

2elijah said:

lwr001 said:

What exactly is wrong with his career again.. Mf'ers would die to have his career right now.. I am trying to envsion what career you want him to have.. He seems to be doing perfectly fine to me. Hell, he is on the landng page of the Drudge Report today...

Exactly. I think some fans are in too deep thinking they know which way his career should go, when it's not theirs to decide.

Honestly, where do people find the time, week after week?

My hands are full managing my own career...sheesh!

databank said:

Oh and BTW it's the "Prince is over and done" thread of the week. I was thinking yesterday: already Thursday and it hasn't popped-up yet? How odd! I can't wait for next week's thread

Why don't we just get a "Prince is over and done" sticky already...damn!

SuperSoulFighter said:

You're getting two things mixed up, thedance: The fact that U & I are not impressed by his new music doesn't mean his career is going off-rail! He's very successful. He's got exactly what he wanted: musical freedom and millions of dollars. The price he had to pay for this is no longer being a top ten hit making artist. But really, who is at 55?

So true.

I'm just happy that he is still making music. The only thing that Prince might could use is a social media specialist or internet specialist that will show him how to make money in this marketplace and how to get exposure for his newer projects.

No.


With the Internet, Prince has an instant retail venue. He can sell digital music and CDs/Vinyl that way.


What Prince needs is a real manager that will stand up to him.


And, to be less of an ass.


But if by 'on track' you mean big again like the WB days, he's 54 and a JW. I don't see that happening.


But, to be interesting again, and to be vital again, he just needs a good manager, so he can concentrte on making good music. The music from 3rdeyegirl is more of the same so-so stuff, honestly.

imago said:

No.


With the Internet, Prince has an instant retail venue. He can sell digital music and CDs/Vinyl that way.


What Prince needs is a real manager that will stand up to him.


And, to be less of an ass.


But if by 'on track' you mean big again like the WB days, he's 54 and a JW. I don't see that happening.


But, to be interesting again, and to be vital again, he just needs a good manager, so he can concentrte on making good music. The music from 3rdeyegirl is more of the same so-so stuff, honestly.

Do you think anyone told Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Rupurt Murdoch what to do..It's their vision for better or worse. he can't be managed at this stage of his career..

lwr001 said:

imago said:

No.


With the Internet, Prince has an instant retail venue. He can sell digital music and CDs/Vinyl that way.


What Prince needs is a real manager that will stand up to him.


And, to be less of an ass.


But if by 'on track' you mean big again like the WB days, he's 54 and a JW. I don't see that happening.


But, to be interesting again, and to be vital again, he just needs a good manager, so he can concentrte on making good music. The music from 3rdeyegirl is more of the same so-so stuff, honestly.

Do you think anyone told Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Rupurt Murdoch what to do..It's their vision for better or worse. he can't be managed at this stage of his career..

There guys were MANAGERS with keen business sense.


Prince....is not.

imago said:

lwr001 said:

Do you think anyone told Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Rupurt Murdoch what to do..It's their vision for better or worse. he can't be managed at this stage of his career..

There guys were MANAGERS with keen business sense.


Prince....is not.

You know how many product failures they all had? There success scale if much larger but if you think for a second that some of their ideas were not plain bad...

thedance said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

You're getting two things mixed up, thedance: The fact that U & I are not impressed by his new music doesn't mean his career is going off-rail! He's very successful. He's got exactly what he wanted: musical freedom and millions of dollars. The price he had to pay for this is no longer being a top ten hit making artist. But really, who is at 55?

Best answer so far..

If Prince is sucessful or not, well I guess it depends on what goals you have, the criteria you have for success..

I still hope Prince has a few more goals to "go after", there gotta be more for him, to his career than musical freedom - and... money...

I wish Prince would be "ambitious" again, and have more goals than to "satisfy" his rather small fanbase. Imo it would be great to see him being recoqnized among the mainstream, a big audience.. once again.

But again, it looks really difficult for him, now. And I am not saying I have any answers for him..

I don't understand a thing of ur thinking...

Prince on Superbowl and on major TV shows isn't enough 4 u in terms of mainstream?

And anyway I don't understand this thing about ambition meaning satisfying the masses. This is insane: once he/she has secured his economical situation, an artist's only ambition should be to do what he/she like to do and/or to push his/her artistic limits, not to please anyone let alone the masses. Art is an end in itself.

An ambitious Prince to me is the Prince that dares releasing improvised intrumentals like he just did on 3rd Eye TV and Soundcloud. In terms of artistic creation, THIS is ambition.

What do u want him to do, dance crap like Madonna (and I love Madonna!)'s last album, that sounds like every other shit on the Top-40? Basically u defend a point of view that says that an artist, in order to be ambitious, should SACRIFICE HIS INTEGRITY to please the masses.

Such a vision of art stands against everything I believe in and, as an artist myself, really makes me sick. I think I'm gonna vomit now...

[Edited 7/5/13 11:29am]

I never EVER want to see Prince doing music business with that Jimmy Iovine of Interscope Record OR Jay-Z and his Roc Nation crew.

@Mr. Nelson.....Prince, if you OR your lawyers are reading this, please do not sell out like Kylie Minogue did.

imago said:

No.


With the Internet, Prince has an instant retail venue. He can sell digital music and CDs/Vinyl that way.


What Prince needs is a real manager that will stand up to him.


And, to be less of an ass.


But if by 'on track' you mean big again like the WB days, he's 54 and a JW. I don't see that happening.


But, to be interesting again, and to be vital again, he just needs a good manager, so he can concentrte on making good music. The music from 3rdeyegirl is more of the same so-so stuff, honestly.

I agree with you but let's be honest: Prince won't listen to any manager He's gonna contnue making his own decisions.If a manager challenges his decisions,they will be fired,lol.