As we all know Prince has been on again and off again with being on the Internet for the last 10 years. He has gone as far as slapping lawsuits all over the place at one time to get anything with his likeness off the internet. Well now in 2013 the times have changed enough that new generations of music fans discover artists via YouTube, Facebook, and basically on the internet in general.

We seen Prince come back online again for another short time with the 3rdeyegirl.com site and the prince2013.com. But these new sites generate excitement for such short times before they become obsolete so fast. Even though it's 100% Prince's decision on what he wants to do with his music and videos I truly believe he is isolating a whole new set of young fans since the days of MTV and VH-1 actually playing music videos all day has been over for a long time now. Does anyone else think that Prince should allow his music videos to hit YouTube and maybe create his own YouTube channel at the very least to draw in a new audience and let people watch all those videos he worked so hard to make for the last 30 years? As of now many of his videos are just collecting dust so to speak since they aren't released on DVD or BluRay, iTunes, or even one of his own sites to release them on. I just hope that Prince realizes that times have changed and it doesn't look like the battle he spent the last 10 years fighting is going to be won in his lifetime. As a matter of fact it's possible that since technology doesn't go backwards that the battle can't ever truly be won at this point. So I say if you can't beat them then use them to your advantage. At this point he can use sites like YouTube, FB, etc.. just to allow new people to discover him and share his genius. New Real fans will come out of this and buy all his albums so in the end it would only increase his album sales and not that he needs much help with selling out venues when he tours, but it sure would create a bigger demand for tickets by having more fans. I know this ended up being long but I guess I had to get all this off my chest.

Long?

You must be under 40.

I guess you have some points about the changing landscape of media versus his lack of consistent media policy in recent decades.

Maybe talk to his 'manager' or 'PA' to bring this under their attention?

udo said:

Omey said:

udo said:

Long?

You must be under 40.

I guess you have some points about the changing landscape of media versus his lack of consistent media policy in recent decades.

Maybe talk to his 'manager' or 'PA' to bring this under their attention?

Yeah I'm under 40. I got a degree in Business and Marketing so I guess that side of me had a lot to say about really advancing his career. I have no idea where to begin to really try to get in contact his people about this.

Well, I mentioned some possible inroads...

Who is local enough to the people mentioned to try to exploit those contacts?

Prince is not against the Internet. He's against piracy and/or artists not getting paid for their work. Think of it this way: if one of Prince's songs plays on the radio, he gets paid. If one of his videos plays on MTV/VH1, he gets paid. If people listen to/watch his music on YouTube, he gets nothing. The advertisers get paid, YouTube gets paid, he doesn't. That's not even talking about torrent sites where you can download his entire catalog in minutes for free. Imagine how that feels as an artist?

.

Yes, a lot of musicians use YouTube for promotions, but they're just that. The end game is always selling albums and concert tickets and merchandise. No artist wants their fanbase to JUST watch them on YouTube without buying anything.

.

I look forward to a time when society doesn't have this "greed" about getting stuff for free just because it's music or movies on the Internet. Digital theft is still theft.

.

As far as advancing his career: at this point there isn't really "advancing", just sustaining. The man is almost a household name and has earned almost every award there is to win and had record-selling concerts and more hits than most artists have songs - period. So what you're really talking about is just more album sales moving forward . . .

Omey said:

As we all know Prince has been on again and off again with being on the Internet for the last 10 years. He has gone as far as slapping lawsuits all over the place at one time to get anything with his likeness off the internet. Well now in 2013 the times have changed enough that new generations of music fans discover artists via YouTube, Facebook, and basically on the internet in general.

We seen Prince come back online again for another short time with the 3rdeyegirl.com site and the prince2013.com. But these new sites generate excitement for such short times before they become obsolete so fast. Even though it's 100% Prince's decision on what he wants to do with his music and videos I truly believe he is isolating a whole new set of young fans since the days of MTV and VH-1 actually playing music videos all day has been over for a long time now. Does anyone else think that Prince should allow his music videos to hit YouTube and maybe create his own YouTube channel at the very least to draw in a new audience and let people watch all those videos he worked so hard to make for the last 30 years? As of now many of his videos are just collecting dust so to speak since they aren't released on DVD or BluRay, iTunes, or even one of his own sites to release them on. I just hope that Prince realizes that times have changed and it doesn't look like the battle he spent the last 10 years fighting is going to be won in his lifetime. As a matter of fact it's possible that since technology doesn't go backwards that the battle can't ever truly be won at this point. So I say if you can't beat them then use them to your advantage. At this point he can use sites like YouTube, FB, etc.. just to allow new people to discover him and share his genius. New Real fans will come out of this and buy all his albums so in the end it would only increase his album sales and not that he needs much help with selling out venues when he tours, but it sure would create a bigger demand for tickets by having more fans. I know this ended up being long but I guess I had to get all this off my chest.

Prince should continue doing what he wants but I think he should deal with the consequences, his fans, and the people working with him in a more ethical manner. I also think he should read 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu and remember he won't profit being at war with anything or anyone. I think lawsuits are legal wars so Prince seems to like being at war. He should also remember "lose the battle win the war" and other quotes by Sun:

“The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious."

"Even the finest sword plunged into salt water will eventually rust.”

“There are not more than five musical notes, yet the combinations of these five give rise to more melodies than can ever be heard."

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”

“What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease.”

and...

"Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?"

[Edited 6/5/13 4:35am]

Se7en said:

Prince is not against the Internet. He's against piracy and/or artists not getting paid for their work. Think of it this way: if one of Prince's songs plays on the radio, he gets paid. If one of his videos plays on MTV/VH1, he gets paid. If people listen to/watch his music on YouTube, he gets nothing. The advertisers get paid, YouTube gets paid, he doesn't. That's not even talking about torrent sites where you can download his entire catalog in minutes for free. Imagine how that feels as an artist?

.

Yes, a lot of musicians use YouTube for promotions, but they're just that. The end game is always selling albums and concert tickets and merchandise. No artist wants their fanbase to JUST watch them on YouTube without buying anything.

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I look forward to a time when society doesn't have this "greed" about getting stuff for free just because it's music or movies on the Internet. Digital theft is still theft.

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As far as advancing his career: at this point there isn't really "advancing", just sustaining. The man is almost a household name and has earned almost every award there is to win and had record-selling concerts and more hits than most artists have songs - period. So what you're really talking about is just more album sales moving forward . . .

Congratulations for such an interesting post. This is one of the best posts I've read in the org. Thank you.

Se7en said:

Prince is not against the Internet. He's against piracy and/or artists not getting paid for their work. Think of it this way: if one of Prince's songs plays on the radio, he gets paid. If one of his videos plays on MTV/VH1, he gets paid. If people listen to/watch his music on YouTube, he gets nothing. The advertisers get paid, YouTube gets paid, he doesn't. That's not even talking about torrent sites where you can download his entire catalog in minutes for free. Imagine how that feels as an artist?

.

Yes, a lot of musicians use YouTube for promotions, but they're just that. The end game is always selling albums and concert tickets and merchandise. No artist wants their fanbase to JUST watch them on YouTube without buying anything.

.

I look forward to a time when society doesn't have this "greed" about getting stuff for free just because it's music or movies on the Internet. Digital theft is still theft.

.

As far as advancing his career: at this point there isn't really "advancing", just sustaining. The man is almost a household name and has earned almost every award there is to win and had record-selling concerts and more hits than most artists have songs - period. So what you're really talking about is just more album sales moving forward . . .

No, he's pretty much against the internet.

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He could have an official YouTube channel where he gets a cut of the ad money. He'd rather pay people to pull videos that have his music in the background.

He could have an official site so his fans know what's going on with his new music and tour. He'd rather do a few TV programs, in an age where they are becoming more and more irrelevant, and pay for an entirely new website with an unrelated name (a site he'll abandon for another one before search engines and stuff can tie it to his name)

He could have a Twitter where he could directly talk at his fans about anything he wants and plug his releases. He'd rather do nothing and act confused when his stuff doesn't sell.

.

The problem with Prince is that he's still expecting 80s-90s big label money and it just isn't there anymore. Instead of taking what he can get, he's sitting on a ton of work waiting for the right person with a bag of money to approach him.

.

And regarding his career, he's probably the greatest musician alive today and there's a whole generation coming up that doesn't have a fucking clue. Because he's not on a major label. He's not on YouTube. He's not anywhere where they can discover him.

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Along with the fact that a large chunk of his catalog is OOP...things could be so much better if he had the right people around him

[Edited 6/5/13 5:55am]

CharlieRise said:

Se7en said:

Prince is not against the Internet. He's against piracy and/or artists not getting paid for their work. Think of it this way: if one of Prince's songs plays on the radio, he gets paid. If one of his videos plays on MTV/VH1, he gets paid. If people listen to/watch his music on YouTube, he gets nothing. The advertisers get paid, YouTube gets paid, he doesn't. That's not even talking about torrent sites where you can download his entire catalog in minutes for free. Imagine how that feels as an artist?

.

Yes, a lot of musicians use YouTube for promotions, but they're just that. The end game is always selling albums and concert tickets and merchandise. No artist wants their fanbase to JUST watch them on YouTube without buying anything.

.

I look forward to a time when society doesn't have this "greed" about getting stuff for free just because it's music or movies on the Internet. Digital theft is still theft.

.

As far as advancing his career: at this point there isn't really "advancing", just sustaining. The man is almost a household name and has earned almost every award there is to win and had record-selling concerts and more hits than most artists have songs - period. So what you're really talking about is just more album sales moving forward . . .

No, he's pretty much against the internet.

.

He could have an official YouTube channel where he gets a cut of the ad money. He'd rather pay people to pull videos that have his music in the background.

He could have an official site so his fans know what's going on with his new music and tour. He'd rather do a few TV programs, in an age where they are becoming more and more irrelevant, and pay for an entirely new website with an unrelated name (a site he'll abandon for another one before search engines and stuff can tie it to his name)

He could have a Twitter where he could directly talk at his fans about anything he wants and plug his releases. He'd rather do nothing and act confused when his stuff doesn't sell.

.

The problem with Prince is that he's still expecting 80s-90s big label money and it just isn't there anymore. Instead of taking what he can get, he's sitting on a ton of work waiting for the right person with a bag of money to approach him.

.

And regarding his career, he's probably the greatest musician alive today and there's a whole generation coming up that doesn't have a fucking clue. Because he's not on a major label. He's not on YouTube. He's not anywhere where they can discover him.

.

Along with the fact that a large chunk of his catalog is OOP...things could be so much better if he had the right people around him

[Edited 6/5/13 5:55am]

I agree with both of u, but u have 2 realize something, it's all about getting paid on both sides of the spectrum.

I don't think Prince is expecting 80s and 90s money when it comes to music releases. He knows the marketplace has evolved and is not the same as it was even 10 years ago. He knows exactly where his bread and butter is...touring.

I believe that he is more into the control of his material at this point and not necessarilly the money aspect. He likes having complete control over everything (which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it). Control over how the material is being used. Control of how it's being sold. Control of who profits from it. Sure he could get his own Vevo channel and make 10 cents per click, but he thinks he should get 50 cents and Vevo and Youtube get 10 cents.

This man could be in the same shape as acts like Bowie and The Rolling Stones. He could be releasing remasters, expanded editions, vinyl, etc. of all of his albums, but he seems to be against it. I'm sure that he could have worked out a deal with WB to own the master recordings while they handle the output (like Genesis and a few other WB acts), but he doesn't want to play their game.

daPrettyman said:

CharlieRise said:

No, he's pretty much against the internet.

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He could have an official YouTube channel where he gets a cut of the ad money. He'd rather pay people to pull videos that have his music in the background.

He could have an official site so his fans know what's going on with his new music and tour. He'd rather do a few TV programs, in an age where they are becoming more and more irrelevant, and pay for an entirely new website with an unrelated name (a site he'll abandon for another one before search engines and stuff can tie it to his name)

He could have a Twitter where he could directly talk at his fans about anything he wants and plug his releases. He'd rather do nothing and act confused when his stuff doesn't sell.

.

The problem with Prince is that he's still expecting 80s-90s big label money and it just isn't there anymore. Instead of taking what he can get, he's sitting on a ton of work waiting for the right person with a bag of money to approach him.

.

And regarding his career, he's probably the greatest musician alive today and there's a whole generation coming up that doesn't have a fucking clue. Because he's not on a major label. He's not on YouTube. He's not anywhere where they can discover him.

.

Along with the fact that a large chunk of his catalog is OOP...things could be so much better if he had the right people around him

[Edited 6/5/13 5:55am]

I agree with both of u, but u have 2 realize something, it's all about getting paid on both sides of the spectrum.

I don't think Prince is expecting 80s and 90s money when it comes to music releases. He knows the marketplace has evolved and is not the same as it was even 10 years ago. He knows exactly where his bread and butter is...touring.

I believe that he is more into the control of his material at this point and not necessarilly the money aspect. He likes having complete control over everything (which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it). Control over how the material is being used. Control of how it's being sold. Control of who profits from it. Sure he could get his own Vevo channel and make 10 cents per click, but he thinks he should get 50 cents and Vevo and Youtube get 10 cents.

This man could be in the same shape as acts like Bowie and The Rolling Stones. He could be releasing remasters, expanded editions, vinyl, etc. of all of his albums, but he seems to be against it. I'm sure that he could have worked out a deal with WB to own the master recordings while they handle the output (like Genesis and a few other WB acts), but he doesn't want to play their game.

I believe that you are spot on with that.

The problem however is that there is nothing good about a desire to have complete control. If that's your starting point, then you get where Prince is now.

And altho' it's really not all that bad, it could be way better.

Prince did a little experiment back in the early 2000s with the distribution of C-NOTE. Nevermind the fact that it was a "dig" against those of us who paid $100 for a yearly membership and then complained to the BBB about what we did/did not get that year.
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The links to all of the individual C-NOTE tracks were not given to everyone. It's been a while, but for example: members in the Midwest might've gotten "C", members in the west coast might've gotten "N", Europe "O", etc. with the instructions not to share the download information.

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Thanks to the Internet, and fan communications/sharing, most of us had the entire C-NOTE within a day or so. It wasn't until 2004's Musicology Store within NPGMC that it was available as a full download.

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So Prince knows that whatever he offers up on the Internet will be highly shared/pirated amongst fans. His DRM'd Musicology Store downloads didn't work after that site went away.

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This all goes back to my original post that Prince doesn't hate the Internet. He hates how the Internet is used. You can tell that there is some excitement behind every new Internet project, be it NPGMC, LotusFlow3r, etc. but he gets spooked easily. Another point is that he's impatient, and if he doesn't see immediate returns he cancels the whole thing.

Se7en said:

Another point is that he's impatient, and if he doesn't see immediate returns he cancels the whole thing.

That doesn't make things any better either.

The internet is not about quick profit.

The days of old are gone.

Now it's about connecting.

Building your own social network.

Tremolina said:

Se7en said:

Another point is that he's impatient, and if he doesn't see immediate returns he cancels the whole thing.

That doesn't make things any better either.

The internet is not about quick profit.

The days of old are gone.

Now it's about connecting.

Building your own social network.

It shouldn't be about making a quick profit and it shouldn't be about building your own cult.

Sassey said:

Tremolina said:

That doesn't make things any better either.

The internet is not about quick profit.

The days of old are gone.

Now it's about connecting.

Building your own social network.

It shouldn't be about making a quick profit and it shouldn't be about building your own cult.

I think he left the cult bit a couple of years ago already.

The quick profit bit I am not so sure.

daPrettyman said:

CharlieRise said:

No, he's pretty much against the internet.

.

He could have an official YouTube channel where he gets a cut of the ad money. He'd rather pay people to pull videos that have his music in the background.

He could have an official site so his fans know what's going on with his new music and tour. He'd rather do a few TV programs, in an age where they are becoming more and more irrelevant, and pay for an entirely new website with an unrelated name (a site he'll abandon for another one before search engines and stuff can tie it to his name)

He could have a Twitter where he could directly talk at his fans about anything he wants and plug his releases. He'd rather do nothing and act confused when his stuff doesn't sell.

.

The problem with Prince is that he's still expecting 80s-90s big label money and it just isn't there anymore. Instead of taking what he can get, he's sitting on a ton of work waiting for the right person with a bag of money to approach him.

.

And regarding his career, he's probably the greatest musician alive today and there's a whole generation coming up that doesn't have a fucking clue. Because he's not on a major label. He's not on YouTube. He's not anywhere where they can discover him.

.

Along with the fact that a large chunk of his catalog is OOP...things could be so much better if he had the right people around him

[Edited 6/5/13 5:55am]

I agree with both of u, but u have 2 realize something, it's all about getting paid on both sides of the spectrum.

I don't think Prince is expecting 80s and 90s money when it comes to music releases. He knows the marketplace has evolved and is not the same as it was even 10 years ago. He knows exactly where his bread and butter is...touring.

I believe that he is more into the control of his material at this point and not necessarilly the money aspect. He likes having complete control over everything (which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it). Control over how the material is being used. Control of how it's being sold. Control of who profits from it. Sure he could get his own Vevo channel and make 10 cents per click, but he thinks he should get 50 cents and Vevo and Youtube get 10 cents.

This man could be in the same shape as acts like Bowie and The Rolling Stones. He could be releasing remasters, expanded editions, vinyl, etc. of all of his albums, but he seems to be against it. I'm sure that he could have worked out a deal with WB to own the master recordings while they handle the output (like Genesis and a few other WB acts), but he doesn't want to play their game.

It's kind of silly to expect that type of cut when he would be using their infrastructure they built and maintain.
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Prince could start PrinceTube but that would involves hiring developers, running down advertising leads, paying hosting fees, etc. All things he doesn't seem to be interested in.

.

I understand why he wouldn't want to work with Warner again because it seems like the rights to the masters are being returned to him after a certain amount of time but, his refusal to build a digital presence or take advantage of YouTube seems like leaving money on the table.

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But who knows, maybe he isn't interested in that. Maybe all he wants is to do is the bare minimum to expose his proteges and keep live shows sold out.

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From the way he was talking about the vault on The View, it almost sounded like he expects the floodgates to be opened after his death (speaking of that, who would be in control at that point? a family member? a trust manager? the church?)

[Edited 6/5/13 15:51pm]

Prince's main problem with the Internet is that...it is something that he can't control and manipulate.The Internet has become bigger and more powerful than he ever imagined.It gives people complete control of what they view and listen to.This doesn't sit well with Prince,who is a notorious control freak.Remember in the 90s,when he was going around doing all those interviews....gleefully saying that he can sell his music on the Internet without the big record companies being involved? How well did that work out for him? He didn't realize that,if people can rip off music illegally from the big record companies,they can do the same thing to anything he releases independently!

Sassey said:

Tremolina said:

That doesn't make things any better either.

The internet is not about quick profit.

The days of old are gone.

Now it's about connecting.

Building your own social network.

It shouldn't be about making a quick profit and it shouldn't be about building your own cult.

What should it be about?

Sassey said:

Omey said:

As we all know Prince has been on again and off again with being on the Internet for the last 10 years. He has gone as far as slapping lawsuits all over the place at one time to get anything with his likeness off the internet. Well now in 2013 the times have changed enough that new generations of music fans discover artists via YouTube, Facebook, and basically on the internet in general.

We seen Prince come back online again for another short time with the 3rdeyegirl.com site and the prince2013.com. But these new sites generate excitement for such short times before they become obsolete so fast. Even though it's 100% Prince's decision on what he wants to do with his music and videos I truly believe he is isolating a whole new set of young fans since the days of MTV and VH-1 actually playing music videos all day has been over for a long time now. Does anyone else think that Prince should allow his music videos to hit YouTube and maybe create his own YouTube channel at the very least to draw in a new audience and let people watch all those videos he worked so hard to make for the last 30 years? As of now many of his videos are just collecting dust so to speak since they aren't released on DVD or BluRay, iTunes, or even one of his own sites to release them on. I just hope that Prince realizes that times have changed and it doesn't look like the battle he spent the last 10 years fighting is going to be won in his lifetime. As a matter of fact it's possible that since technology doesn't go backwards that the battle can't ever truly be won at this point. So I say if you can't beat them then use them to your advantage. At this point he can use sites like YouTube, FB, etc.. just to allow new people to discover him and share his genius. New Real fans will come out of this and buy all his albums so in the end it would only increase his album sales and not that he needs much help with selling out venues when he tours, but it sure would create a bigger demand for tickets by having more fans. I know this ended up being long but I guess I had to get all this off my chest.

Prince should continue doing what he wants but I think he should deal with the consequences, his fans, and the people working with him in a more ethical manner. I also think he should read 'The Art of War' by Sun Tzu and remember he won't profit being at war with anything or anyone. I think lawsuits are legal wars so Prince seems to like being at war. He should also remember "lose the battle win the war" and other quotes by Sun:

“The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious."

"Even the finest sword plunged into salt water will eventually rust.”

“There are not more than five musical notes, yet the combinations of these five give rise to more melodies than can ever be heard."

“Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.”

“What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease.”

and...

"Can you imagine what I would do if I could do all I can?"

Is that book good?

I've got to learn a few things about battles. Life is telling me to learn.

I don't want to expect people to have all good intentions. So, when they hurt me, I don't get upset or angry. I should not have expected them to be exactly the way I want them to be.





A friend once said to me "You've got to accept your loss quick, so you can move on".

Very wise words that I still need to learn.


Do you really think Prince is battling the internet?


I mean, who or what is there to battle against?



Internet changes a lot for humans, why battle that change?

I like internet. And I like the transparancy it provides. Helps us to protect ourselves against dictators and manipulative lies spreaded by companies, governments and other institutions.

Why should Prince battle that?



Just because he once said that the internet was dead?

I hope nobody pinpoints me on a statement I may have blurred out, a decade ago. I was younger and living in a different era.

Omey said:

Even though it's 100% Prince's decision on what he wants to do with his music and videos

I truly believe he is isolating a whole new set of young fans since the days of MTV and VH-1 actually playing music videos all day has been over for a long time now.

Prince should allow his music videos to hit YouTube and maybe create his own YouTube channel at the very least to draw in a new audience and let people watch all those videos he worked so hard to make for the last 30 years?

he can use sites like YouTube, FB, etc.. just to allow new people to discover him and share his genius.

New Real fans will come out of this and buy all his albums so in the end it would only increase his album sales and not that he needs much help with selling out venues when he tours, but it sure would create a bigger demand for tickets by having more fans.

I know this ended up being long but I guess I had to get all this off my chest.

Compared to my posts, you'r doing fine. Really.

So, what you are asking is:

- Will Prince become more known among people under 35, if he would allow his music and video's on internet?

Yes. Compared to his current strategy, his music probably will get explored more.

However, my question is:



-Takin into account Prince his character, what would be the best way to do that?


- He's easily bored. However, if it's going to be under his control, it's going to take some time. Not his thing.



- Not everybody will like all his material. So, there will be people who discover him. And there will be people hating him. Can he handle that? Or does that influence him too much? Why exposing yourself when you can't stand the heat?








- Why would he want to invest his time in a project like that? It takes time, energy and it doesn't pay off that easy. Does he like to spend his time like that? If he likes control, something like this can upset him. Because he can't execute full control.
Why start something that, he knows in advance, causes him stress?




The Stones still need to earn money, because a few members are nearly broke. No money left. An expensive life style, and very young Polish girlfriend, forces them to tour and publish all kind of releases.

They don't do that for fun.

Does Prince need the money? Than, yes, release DVD's, remasters and other stuff that will get him some extra cash. If Prince doesn't need the money, why should he bother?



I think it's easier for him to allow his already realeased material on the internet.

See where that goes.



Take it from there. Does he like the effect? Maybe he can do more.






I don't know if he can handle the consequences of it. People will post video's and self made mixes of his music. Can he stand that?


Why do you think he should do it?

And how and what should he do?

CharlieRise said:

daPrettyman said:

I agree with both of u, but u have 2 realize something, it's all about getting paid on both sides of the spectrum.

I don't think Prince is expecting 80s and 90s money when it comes to music releases. He knows the marketplace has evolved and is not the same as it was even 10 years ago. He knows exactly where his bread and butter is...touring.

I believe that he is more into the control of his material at this point and not necessarilly the money aspect. He likes having complete control over everything (which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it). Control over how the material is being used. Control of how it's being sold. Control of who profits from it. Sure he could get his own Vevo channel and make 10 cents per click, but he thinks he should get 50 cents and Vevo and Youtube get 10 cents.

This man could be in the same shape as acts like Bowie and The Rolling Stones. He could be releasing remasters, expanded editions, vinyl, etc. of all of his albums, but he seems to be against it. I'm sure that he could have worked out a deal with WB to own the master recordings while they handle the output (like Genesis and a few other WB acts), but he doesn't want to play their game.

It's kind of silly to expect that type of cut when he would be using their infrastructure they built and maintain.
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Prince could start PrinceTube but that would involves hiring developers, running down advertising leads, paying hosting fees, etc. All things he doesn't seem to be interested in.

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I don't think that would make anybody happy. Not Prince nor the people he hires.

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I understand why he wouldn't want to work with Warner again because it seems like the rights to the masters are being returned to him after a certain amount of time but, his refusal to build a digital presence or take advantage of YouTube seems like leaving money on the table.

Seems to be the easiest way to make money for him. And not to have to bother with all the management.

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But who knows, maybe he isn't interested in that. Maybe all he wants is to do is the bare minimum to expose his proteges and keep live shows sold out.

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From the way he was talking about the vault on The View, it almost sounded like he expects the floodgates to be opened after his death (speaking of that, who would be in control at that point? a family member? a trust manager? the church?)
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Do you think he will let go of his need for control than?



Imagine a JW priest managing his legacy.



I bet that priest will ride around in some pretty expensive cars. And releases music in a style that Prince would never allow.

It's likely he leaves his legacy to a few close relatives.

Prince talks a good game, but considering most of you have all of his bootlegs (or all the ones you care to have), and 20ten which was released via CD in only a tiny handful of European countries, yet it is pretty much owned by every Prince fan in the world regardless of location, and most of the ones I know who own it, own electronic copies and did not pay for any of it, I'd say Prince is fighting the wrong fight.


Internet : 1

Blouses: 0


Bitch needs to calm down and serve us some pankakes.

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@ imago.

I'm not going off topic djj. Info about the book is on the internet, Prince says is dead.

I remember he released 20TEN around the time he said this. He says controversial things whenever he's promoting something yet Shelbey Rodriguez was on youtube promoting 20TEN for him but now none of the videos she did are there. I think he tries to use everything to his advantage. It's just my opinion. I hope I won't get snipped.

CharlieRise said:

daPrettyman said:

I agree with both of u, but u have 2 realize something, it's all about getting paid on both sides of the spectrum.

I don't think Prince is expecting 80s and 90s money when it comes to music releases. He knows the marketplace has evolved and is not the same as it was even 10 years ago. He knows exactly where his bread and butter is...touring.

I believe that he is more into the control of his material at this point and not necessarilly the money aspect. He likes having complete control over everything (which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it). Control over how the material is being used. Control of how it's being sold. Control of who profits from it. Sure he could get his own Vevo channel and make 10 cents per click, but he thinks he should get 50 cents and Vevo and Youtube get 10 cents.

This man could be in the same shape as acts like Bowie and The Rolling Stones. He could be releasing remasters, expanded editions, vinyl, etc. of all of his albums, but he seems to be against it. I'm sure that he could have worked out a deal with WB to own the master recordings while they handle the output (like Genesis and a few other WB acts), but he doesn't want to play their game.

It's kind of silly to expect that type of cut when he would be using their infrastructure they built and maintain.
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Prince could start PrinceTube but that would involves hiring developers, running down advertising leads, paying hosting fees, etc. All things he doesn't seem to be interested in.

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I understand why he wouldn't want to work with Warner again because it seems like the rights to the masters are being returned to him after a certain amount of time but, his refusal to build a digital presence or take advantage of YouTube seems like leaving money on the table.

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But who knows, maybe he isn't interested in that. Maybe all he wants is to do is the bare minimum to expose his proteges and keep live shows sold out.

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From the way he was talking about the vault on The View, it almost sounded like he expects the floodgates to be opened after his death (speaking of that, who would be in control at that point? a family member? a trust manager? the church?)

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Some of you are really understanding the point of this thread. Nobody is saying that Prince or any artist doesn't deserve to get paid for their hard work. As a matter of fact Piracy in itself is wrong and technology has worked against artists out there as nobody protected them. Now the problem as I was saying is that you can't reverse this mess at this point. Technology doesn't appear to be going anywhere or reversing. So instead of Prince battling this mainly by himself these days he can use it to his advantage. There is a new way that music is discovered and that kids today are getting exposed. MTV and VH1 are doing very little to promote any artists not on major labels, this also goes for Radio. So Prince wants Freedom and he got it from leaving WB, so now in the situation he's in and technology where it's at it can be used to actually promote his career. Sure there will be people that will watch his stuff for free on YouTube that's for sure, but at the same time there are also plenty of good people still that will rush off to the store or Amazon.com and say holy bejesus this music is mind blowing and how did I never know about Prince and start buying everything.

As I also said in my original statement it's fine for Prince to do whatever he wants, it's his work so if he prefers to continue the battling he's more than welcome too. My only point was that instead of this endless battle that REALISTICALLY he will not likely win in his lifetime, he can use it to his advantage and get his GENIUS work out there. So kinda like the beat the enemy from inside the belly of the beast.

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First, he's going to need to treat people better, his songwriting is going to have to be more sincere and people need to be able to relate. Not many people understand what Prince is even talking about lately in his songs. I doubt young people are trying to decode what he's talking about. Only his obsessed fans bicker about it. He just has to put out mind blowing music like he used to. I also think he needs to "destroy imposter" like it says on the artwork by Neon Park.

Sassey said:

First, he's going to need to treat people better, his songwriting is going to have to be more sincere and people need to be able to relate. Not many people understand what Prince is even talking about lately in his songs. I doubt young people are trying to decode what he's talking about. Only his obsessed fans bicker about it. He just has to put out mind blowing music like he used to. I also think he needs to "destroy imposter" like it says on the artwork by Neon Park.

THIS!


He's not radiohead or Pink Floyd, so people need to understand what he's saying.

Prince has always aimed for the whole package--concept, lyrics, music, and pop star status.


It's not working anymore. One can make smart music that is still easily understood.


Folks don't identify with 'Call My Name' the same way they do 'Adore' or 'the Beautiful Ones'.

"It let me know that my name had never really been spoken before..." Bitch ,what iz you talking about? This is a booty panty-droppin tune---not a zen koan.

imago said:

Sassey said:

First, he's going to need to treat people better, his songwriting is going to have to be more sincere and people need to be able to relate. Not many people understand what Prince is even talking about lately in his songs. I doubt young people are trying to decode what he's talking about. Only his obsessed fans bicker about it. He just has to put out mind blowing music like he used to. I also think he needs to "destroy imposter" like it says on the artwork by Neon Park.

THIS!


He's not radiohead or Pink Floyd, so people need to understand what he's saying.

Prince has always aimed for the whole package--concept, lyrics, music, and pop star status.


It's not working anymore. One can make smart music that is still easily understood.


Folks don't identify with 'Call My Name' the same way they do 'Adore' or 'the Beautiful Ones'.

"It let me know that my name had never really been spoken before..." Bitch ,what iz you talking about? This is a booty panty-droppin tune---not a zen koan.

Well, "Call My Name" was one of the last radio hits he's had. It stayed on the Urban AC chart for a very long time. It wound up being the nuber 5 song on Urban AC radio for 2004. So, he got something right with that.

dJJ said:

I think it's easier for him to allow his already realeased material on the internet.

See where that goes.



Take it from there. Does he like the effect? Maybe he can do more.






I don't know if he can handle the consequences of it. People will post video's and self made mixes of his music. Can he stand that?


Why do you think he should do it?

And how and what should he do?

If you ask me, I think he should do it.

Why?

Well, not to pinpoint him on a statement he blurred out some 20 years ago...

But the vision expressed at the start of the 1995 album 'Exodus', I believe he should hold on to:

Future phone rings:

. New Power Generation
- Is this Paisley Park?
. No, this is not that record company
This is N.P.G. Records
- Are U conducting a talent search?
. Yes, that's true
We are conducting a worldwide talent search
- What are U looking 4?
. What are we looking 4?
- Yes
. Well, first and foremost, U have 2 get free
- Free?
. U know, when it comes time 2 download your work into your fans' computers
U can't have any other contractual obligations
- Ahh
. Second of all, U have 2 get smart
- Wait a minute
. The more substantial your education, the more substantial your income in the new city
- Really?
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- What?
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GET WILD













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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I miss that room. I wonder if the dog is still outside? LOL!!