Dear .Org,

It has occurred to me that whilst almost universally championed as a peak period of output, the decade of the 1980s represents less than a third of Prince's entire output. So, whilst we were fortunate to hear significant artistic growth during his earlier years, the reality is that the majority (approximately 70 per cent) of his total recorded output has been almost universally met from a less favourable perspective, both critically and commercially. Of course, we all love Prince, but is it possible - based on reality - that Prince is simply not as good as we think he might be? Of course, we all differ as we grow older, and I by no means equate quality with chart success, but there surely are other means of maintaining a strong successive record of quality recorded output (e.g. The Gold Experience, The Rainbow Children and Lotus Flower), other than via hitmaking (or being financially lucrative as an independent artist).

Spirit

It's all relative, Prince is exactly as good as I think he is. Does that make him better or worse than anyone else? That's a different matter.

SpiritOtter said:

Dear .Org,

It has occurred to me that whilst almost universally championed as a peak period of output, the decade of the 1980s represents less than a third of Prince's entire output. So, whilst we were fortunate to hear significant artistic growth during his earlier years, the reality is that the majority (approximately 70 per cent) of his total recorded output has been almost universally met from a less favourable perspective, both critically and commercially. Of course, we all love Prince, but is it possible - based on reality - that Prince is simply not as good as we think he might be? Of course, we all differ as we grow older, and I by no means equate quality with chart success, but there surely are other means of maintaining a strong successive record of quality recorded output (e.g. The Gold Experience, The Rainbow Children and Lotus Flower), other than via hitmaking (or being financially lucrative as an independent artist).

Spirit

well. let me tell you. once upon a time i, too, came to doubt that prince was as good as i had earlier thought i might be feeling he could be, so i sat down with myself and had a long talk. at the end of the day, prince is more better than i had hoped i ought to be able to say, insofar as his expectations by far exceed my grasp, and, therefore, prince is nothing less than genius compared to the way i had wondered whether he could have been.

He's not AS good as we think he is. He's BETTER.

You know when you hype something up for so long, to ridiculous levels, and the majority of the time it can't meet those unrealistic expectations?

Well, me and my best friend saw Prince in Vegas a week ago. The hype levels were simply off the charts. And I'll be damned, His Royal Badness exceeded those expectations........TENFOLD.

That's what he does. That's why we love him.

SpiritOtter said:

Dear .Org,

It has occurred to me that whilst almost universally championed as a peak period of output, the decade of the 1980s represents less than a third of Prince's entire output. So, whilst we were fortunate to hear significant artistic growth during his earlier years, the reality is that the majority (approximately 70 per cent) of his total recorded output has been almost universally met from a less favourable perspective, both critically and commercially. Of course, we all love Prince, but is it possible - based on reality - that Prince is simply not as good as we think he might be? Of course, we all differ as we grow older, and I by no means equate quality with chart success, but there surely are other means of maintaining a strong successive record of quality recorded output (e.g. The Gold Experience, The Rainbow Children and Lotus Flower), other than via hitmaking (or being financially lucrative as an independent artist).

Spirit

Not even close................Prince is the SH*T.

He's better than you think.

Example: How many people still don't know what an amazing guitar player Prince is?

Prince's talent is SO immense that he can afford to hold back percentages of it and still be amazing on a dozen other aspects of music/showmanship/etc.

Name any artist of the since 1990 whose body of work could compare to Prince's output in the 80's. Take his work in isolation from 1990 onwards and it is still very, very good. We judge Prince against the likes of 1999, Purple Rain, SOTT and invariably he doesn't look as good. My question to you is who could follow that body of work.

goodfella said:

Name any artist of the since 1990 whose body of work could compare to Prince's output in the 80's. Take his work in isolation from 1990 onwards and it is still very, very good. We judge Prince against the likes of 1999, Purple Rain, SOTT and invariably he doesn't look as good. My question to you is who could follow that body of work.

No one.......in my book.

Graycap23 said:

goodfella said:

Name any artist of the since 1990 whose body of work could compare to Prince's output in the 80's. Take his work in isolation from 1990 onwards and it is still very, very good. We judge Prince against the likes of 1999, Purple Rain, SOTT and invariably he doesn't look as good. My question to you is who could follow that body of work.

No one.......in my book.

Even somebody like Outkast (whose work through 90's onwards has been excellent and varied) would be viewed differently if they were following the classic Prince era (so to speak). My own personal opinion is that if Prince wanted to make a really radio friendly album or a Purple Rain 2 then he could but he would appear to be quite happy with the music he is making now.

I actually think he is even better. We just take him for granted.

prince best work was done in uncredited collaboration .. riffs basslines lyrics all lifted from jams with the highly talented group that helped prince achieve dirty mind thru sign .. once he dumped all those friends and music mates his music got stale .. less colorful .. he had a slight return around dnp collaborating with another group that was also talented .. not as talented as the revolution era .. but dnp and money dont matter were collaborations as was gett off .. it took me 20 years to realize that the reason the last 20 years didnt even get close was because it was more about the group effort than prince as an individual .. and prince by himself just is not that good .. or even good at all .. just like the beatles had moments later in life but never really recaptured the majesty as a group influencing each other .. what irks me about prince is his insistance that he did it all ... not crediting others .. and still insisting that he is the only piece that mattered way back when, when his 70 percent of poorly executed catalog proves this is not the case .. pink floyd still toured without roger waters .. but it was not as good .. janes addiction tour without eric avery but it is not as good .. prince without dez, wendy, lisa, fink, bobby, eric, atlanta, cymone, his dad, vanity, morris, jj, etc .. is just not as good and in fact , not good at all .. having heard his new material without already being a fan, i would not even have bothered at all, its just bad, his collaborative years are the only years that matter .. everything else is just trying to repeat himself and failing

goodfella said:

Graycap23 said:

No one.......in my book.

Even somebody like Outkast (whose work through 90's onwards has been excellent and varied) would be viewed differently if they were following the classic Prince era (so to speak). My own personal opinion is that if Prince wanted to make a really radio friendly album or a Purple Rain 2 then he could but he would appear to be quite happy with the music he is making now.

Exactly.

The Hollywood Reporter disagress with you

http://www.hollywoodrepor...iew-520217

TrevorAyer said:

prince best work was done in uncredited collaboration .. riffs basslines lyrics all lifted from jams with the highly talented group that helped prince achieve dirty mind thru sign .. once he dumped all those friends and music mates his music got stale .. less colorful .. he had a slight return around dnp collaborating with another group that was also talented .. not as talented as the revolution era .. but dnp and money dont matter were collaborations as was gett off .. it took me 20 years to realize that the reason the last 20 years didnt even get close was because it was more about the group effort than prince as an individual .. and prince by himself just is not that good .. or even good at all .. just like the beatles had moments later in life but never really recaptured the majesty as a group influencing each other .. what irks me about prince is his insistance that he did it all ... not crediting others .. and still insisting that he is the only piece that mattered way back when, when his 70 percent of poorly executed catalog proves this is not the case .. pink floyd still toured without roger waters .. but it was not as good .. janes addiction tour without eric avery but it is not as good .. prince without dez, wendy, lisa, fink, bobby, eric, atlanta, cymone, his dad, vanity, morris, jj, etc .. is just not as good and in fact , not good at all .. having heard his new material without already being a fan, i would not even have bothered at all, its just bad, his collaborative years are the only years that matter .. everything else is just trying to repeat himself and failing

Meh. I don't buy it. Why aren't (why didn't) his collaborators have BIG success outside of working with him?

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Look at the names I underlined. I have a place in my heart for all of these people. Yet, most people outside of Prince fandom don't know any of these folks...save for Morris. To me, it is very telling that the most successful/well known Prince associated artists are Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, and Carmen Electra.

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Your Beatles analogy is off a bit. While is goes without saying that no single member was a successful as when they were in the group, John Lennon created songs like "Imagine" after The Beatles. Paul McCartney also had similar success Wings, etc. What is the Wendy and Lisa version of this kind of success or achievement? Scoring Heroes?

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I am not saying that people didn't collaborate and add to Prince's mix...of course they did. Wendy and Lisa especially influenced him/his sound. That said, Prince has remained one of the elite/most successful musicians in the world for 30 years...all the time working with a myriad of different people.

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skywalker said:

TrevorAyer said:

prince best work was done in uncredited collaboration .. riffs basslines lyrics all lifted from jams with the highly talented group that helped prince achieve dirty mind thru sign .. once he dumped all those friends and music mates his music got stale .. less colorful .. he had a slight return around dnp collaborating with another group that was also talented .. not as talented as the revolution era .. but dnp and money dont matter were collaborations as was gett off .. it took me 20 years to realize that the reason the last 20 years didnt even get close was because it was more about the group effort than prince as an individual .. and prince by himself just is not that good .. or even good at all .. just like the beatles had moments later in life but never really recaptured the majesty as a group influencing each other .. what irks me about prince is his insistance that he did it all ... not crediting others .. and still insisting that he is the only piece that mattered way back when, when his 70 percent of poorly executed catalog proves this is not the case .. pink floyd still toured without roger waters .. but it was not as good .. janes addiction tour without eric avery but it is not as good .. prince without dez, wendy, lisa, fink, bobby, eric, atlanta, cymone, his dad, vanity, morris, jj, etc .. is just not as good and in fact , not good at all .. having heard his new material without already being a fan, i would not even have bothered at all, its just bad, his collaborative years are the only years that matter .. everything else is just trying to repeat himself and failing

Meh. I don't buy it. Why aren't (why didn't) his collaborators have BIG success outside of working with him?

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Look at the names I underlined. I have a place in my heart for all of these people. Yet, most people outside of Prince fandom don't know any of these folks...save for Morris. To me, it is very telling that the most successful/well known Prince associated artists are Jimmy Jam, Terry Lewis, and Carmen Electra.

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Your Beatles analogy is off a bit. While is goes without saying that no single member was a successful as when they were in the group, John Lennon created songs like "Imagine" after The Beatles. Paul McCartney also had similar success Wings, etc. What is the Wendy and Lisa version of this kind of success or achievement? Scoring Heroes?

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I am not saying that people didn't collaborate and add to Prince's mix...of course they did. Wendy and Lisa especially influenced him/his sound. That said, Prince has remained one of the elite/most successful musicians in the world for 30 years...all the time working with a myriad of different people.

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Thank you. People like to rewrite history....

I think he'd be better after guitar lessons.

i have heard a few wnl songs that are certainly as interesting if not more interesting than prince later work .. and you forget that most of prince modern success is based on playing revolution era hits or npg era hits .. his reputation is not based upon the much org praised rainbow or lotus, but rather his previous success .. wnl cant go around calling themselves prince ... prince can .. without the revolution and other collaborators .. soft n wet era .. nobody would bother with prince .. he would be unknown .. they all do better working together .. prince just inherited the branding and as previously mentioned .. took all the credit to come off like a stevie wonder novelty can do all himself act .. once he was really on his own the results got very sketchy ... yes john lennons imagine is really great .. prince had a couple great songs on his own .. lets not forget great songs like 'how do you sleep' were inspired by paul still .. how many prince songs were inspired by something susannah said, how many time songs were inspired by morris or the time talking smack while hanging out, how many prince tunes were inspired by andres bass line, or finks keyboard riff, or flat out written by others, like do me baby, or scandelous? tons .. and then there is the competative aspect .. john and paul trying to write a better song than each other .. prince and andre trying to out do each other .. or even knowing wendy and lisa would shoot down a bad idea .. how many songs did prince just hand over to lisa to finish off .. there are so many levels of collaboration that fuel great music .. prince music is no longer great and you cannot deny that his musical environment influences that greatly

TrevorAyer said:

i have heard a few wnl songs that are certainly as interesting if not more interesting than prince later work .. and you forget that most of prince modern success is based on playing revolution era hits or npg era hits .. his reputation is not based upon the much org praised rainbow or lotus, but rather his previous success .. wnl cant go around calling themselves prince ... prince can .. without the revolution and other collaborators .. soft n wet era .. nobody would bother with prince .. he would be unknown .. they all do better working together .. prince just inherited the branding and as previously mentioned .. took all the credit to come off like a stevie wonder novelty can do all himself act .. once he was really on his own the results got very sketchy ... yes john lennons imagine is really great .. prince had a couple great songs on his own .. lets not forget great songs like 'how do you sleep' were inspired by paul still .. how many prince songs were inspired by something susannah said, how many time songs were inspired by morris or the time talking smack while hanging out, how many prince tunes were inspired by andres bass line, or finks keyboard riff, or flat out written by others, like do me baby, or scandelous? tons .. and then there is the competative aspect .. john and paul trying to write a better song than each other .. prince and andre trying to out do each other .. or even knowing wendy and lisa would shoot down a bad idea .. how many songs did prince just hand over to lisa to finish off .. there are so many levels of collaboration that fuel great music .. prince music is no longer great and you cannot deny that his musical environment influences that greatly

total and complete stupidity

Prince would be unknown? He wrote songs like When Doves Cry, the Beaitiful ones etc ON HIS OWN. There is ZERO EVIDENCE THAT MOST OF HIS WORK IS FROM "COLLABORATIONS". ZERO.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that Morris inspired Prince to write many songs? Any? Prince was the one who was constantly writing for others including the time.

Prince has written tons and tons of great songs on his own. Prince made great music because he is a great artist. Not because of wendy and lisa (WHO DID NOT WRITE MOST OF HIS MUSIC)

When you can actually prove that most of Prince's work was so called "collaborations", then your points may have some validity. Until then, it will be accepted that his work is largely his own and he has written tons and tons of excellent songs without any collaborations.

The revolution were merely a good backup band who DID NOT WRITE or co write most his his music. Why don't you actually prove that Wendy and Lisa finished off many of Prince's songs?

Like i have said, you have zero evidence for your claims. You are simply jealous of Prince who is one of the greatest and most gifted musicians in popular music history.

And for the record, Gett off was not a "collaboration" yet another lie

Simply pathetic.

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There is zero evidence that most of Prince's best work was co written by the revolution except in the eyes of revolution fanboys and/or failed musicians like trevor

What the heck have Wendy and Lisa written that is as good as When Doves Cry? Nothing compares 2 u? The beautiful ones? Anna Stesia? When the lights go down? When you were mine? NOTHING

Only a complete idiot would make a statement that Prince would be unknown without the revolution. The revolution were a decent backup band, that is all. Nothing less, nothing more. They are not responsible for his success. And they did not co write most of his work.

Prince was the one who created the time and wrote their music. Prince is the one who has written great songs for many artists.

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Revolution fan girls can never actually prove that they co wrote most of Prince's best work and simply went uncredited. They simply make rubbish up and continue to insist upon it.

Here's an idea. Since Prince is obviously incapable of writing anything great on his own, Why don't wendy, lisa, dez, etc get togethar and make something as good as sign? After all it was wendy and lisa who wrote most of the music on sign o the times, i am sure they could do it again.

Why is a useless musician like Prince even needed over there? After all Prince was not the one who wrote WDC, TBO, Sign, IIWYGF, I feel for you, when you were mine etc. Wendy, Lisa, Dez and Morris are the true authors of those songs. I am sure they can create masterpieces without Prince being there.

TrevorAyer said:

i have heard a few wnl songs that are certainly as interesting if not more interesting than prince later work .. and you forget that most of prince modern success is based on playing revolution era hits or npg era hits .. his reputation is not based upon the much org praised rainbow or lotus, but rather his previous success .. wnl cant go around calling themselves prince ... prince can .. without the revolution and other collaborators .. soft n wet era .. nobody would bother with prince .. he would be unknown .. they all do better working together .. prince just inherited the branding and as previously mentioned .. took all the credit to come off like a stevie wonder novelty can do all himself act .. once he was really on his own the results got very sketchy ... yes john lennons imagine is really great .. prince had a couple great songs on his own .. lets not forget great songs like 'how do you sleep' were inspired by paul still .. how many prince songs were inspired by something susannah said, how many time songs were inspired by morris or the time talking smack while hanging out, how many prince tunes were inspired by andres bass line, or finks keyboard riff, or flat out written by others, like do me baby, or scandelous? tons .. and then there is the competative aspect .. john and paul trying to write a better song than each other .. prince and andre trying to out do each other .. or even knowing wendy and lisa would shoot down a bad idea .. how many songs did prince just hand over to lisa to finish off .. there are so many levels of collaboration that fuel great music .. prince music is no longer great and you cannot deny that his musical environment influences that greatly

TrevorAyer said:

i have heard a few wnl songs that are certainly as interesting if not more interesting than prince later work .. and you forget that most of prince modern success is based on playing revolution era hits or npg era hits .. his reputation is not based upon the much org praised rainbow or lotus, but rather his previous success

This could be said of ANY act that has been around for more than a decade.

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Madonna just wrapped up the most successful tour of the year. Do you think most people showed up for songs off of her newest album, MDNA, or because of her 80's and 90's material? Same goes for the most successful acts in the world: Springsteen, The Stones, U2, etc. Most people show up to hear "the hits" from the past.

.. wnl cant go around calling themselves prince ... prince can .. without the revolution and other collaborators .. soft n wet era .. nobody would bother with prince .. he would be unknown .. they all do better working together .. prince just inherited the branding and as previously mentioned ..

It weakens your argument that you think Prince's associates aren't successful because his name is not attached.

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Wendy and Lisa shouldn't need Prince's name if they are as good/impactful as you say. Again, every musician needs collaborators...no doubt. However, Prince didn't"inherit" the branding. He created it. His bands are't like Zeppelin, or The Beatles, or The Family Stone. The are essentially backing bands. Sure, he took inspiration from them...maybe more than people were credited for...but there is a reason he just needs his name.

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Look at James Brown, or George Clinton's groups. Many of the musicians those two worked with broke out and had their own successes. Prince's folks (by in large) didn't. How do you explain that?

took all the credit to come off like a stevie wonder novelty can do all himself act .. once he was really on his own the results got very sketchy

Weird. He is a guy that is famous for "doing it all himself." You could level your same criticisms of Prince at Stevie too. Why don't you? He collaborates with others too. Your last statement here is laughable.

... yes john lennons imagine is really great .. prince had a couple great songs on his own .. lets not forget great songs like 'how do you sleep' were inspired by paul still .. how many prince songs were inspired by something susannah said, how many time songs were inspired by morris or the time talking smack while hanging out, how many prince tunes were inspired by andres bass line, or finks keyboard riff, or flat out written by others, like do me baby, or scandelous? tons .. and then there is the competative aspect .. john and paul trying to write a better song than each other .. prince and andre trying to out do each other .. or even knowing wendy and lisa would shoot down a bad idea .. how many songs did prince just hand over to lisa to finish off .. there are so many levels of collaboration that fuel great music .. prince music is no longer great and you cannot deny that his musical environment influences that greatly

You are twisting things. I am not asking you about what Prince did after The Revolution. He continued to be massively successful and was still Prince. What I am asking you is this: What the fuck did anyone do after Prince?

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If wendylisa (and any other associates) are MOSTLY responsible for Prince's success, where are they now? Why do only Prince fans know about them? Prince is holding back their talent? Why didn't that stop Jimmy and Terry? They didn't use The Time's name and they made it. Again, your argument is waaaaaay flawed. There is no evidence to support yout position...only speculation and some spite.

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Graycap23 said:

TrevorAyer said:

i have heard a few wnl songs that are certainly as interesting if not more interesting than prince later work .. and you forget that most of prince modern success is based on playing revolution era hits or npg era hits .. his reputation is not based upon the much org praised rainbow or lotus, but rather his previous success .. wnl cant go around calling themselves prince ... prince can .. without the revolution and other collaborators .. soft n wet era .. nobody would bother with prince .. he would be unknown .. they all do better working together .. prince just inherited the branding and as previously mentioned .. took all the credit to come off like a stevie wonder novelty can do all himself act .. once he was really on his own the results got very sketchy ... yes john lennons imagine is really great .. prince had a couple great songs on his own .. lets not forget great songs like 'how do you sleep' were inspired by paul still .. how many prince songs were inspired by something susannah said, how many time songs were inspired by morris or the time talking smack while hanging out, how many prince tunes were inspired by andres bass line, or finks keyboard riff, or flat out written by others, like do me baby, or scandelous? tons .. and then there is the competative aspect .. john and paul trying to write a better song than each other .. prince and andre trying to out do each other .. or even knowing wendy and lisa would shoot down a bad idea .. how many songs did prince just hand over to lisa to finish off .. there are so many levels of collaboration that fuel great music .. prince music is no longer great and you cannot deny that his musical environment influences that greatly

the guy is nothing more than a jealous troll. he hasn't actually proven or showed that most of Prince's best work was "stolen" because he cannot prove it. He makes things up and when he is proven wrong, he keeps insisting he is right (he claimed wendy and Lisa were robbed off songwriting credits on SOTT, which they were not, when he was proven wrong, he ran away)

Prince would be unknown without the revolution? Comedy gold. Yeah a guy who can compose a song as wonderful as WDC would be unknown without the musician genius of wendy and lisa.

I seriously feel sorry for people like him. Apart from his insane jealousy of Prince and his constant need to discredit him, he atually thinks he writes better songs than Prince.

TrevorAyer said:

prince best work was done in uncredited collaboration .. riffs basslines lyrics all lifted from jams with the highly talented group that helped prince achieve dirty mind thru sign .. once he dumped all those friends and music mates his music got stale .. less colorful .. he had a slight return around dnp collaborating with another group that was also talented .. not as talented as the revolution era .. but dnp and money dont matter were collaborations as was gett off .. it took me 20 years to realize that the reason the last 20 years didnt even get close was because it was more about the group effort than prince as an individual .. and prince by himself just is not that good .. or even good at all .. just like the beatles had moments later in life but never really recaptured the majesty as a group influencing each other .. what irks me about prince is his insistance that he did it all ... not crediting others .. and still insisting that he is the only piece that mattered way back when, when his 70 percent of poorly executed catalog proves this is not the case .. pink floyd still toured without roger waters .. but it was not as good .. janes addiction tour without eric avery but it is not as good .. prince without dez, wendy, lisa, fink, bobby, eric, atlanta, cymone, his dad, vanity, morris, jj, etc .. is just not as good and in fact , not good at all .. having heard his new material without already being a fan, i would not even have bothered at all, its just bad, his collaborative years are the only years that matter .. everything else is just trying to repeat himself and failing

You are really strange. like the anti-groupie. You are continually trying to discredit prince yet stay following his every move. That's a sign something is wrong with your brain lol.

It's funny that for all the people you list the only thing they have in common is Prince. He is the genuis. No doubt each of those folks contributed something to the mix but just like Michael Jordan on the Chicago Bulls he is/was the driving force and talent.

No, he is even better than he is given credit for.

tricky99 said:

TrevorAyer said:

prince best work was done in uncredited collaboration .. riffs basslines lyrics all lifted from jams with the highly talented group that helped prince achieve dirty mind thru sign .. once he dumped all those friends and music mates his music got stale .. less colorful .. he had a slight return around dnp collaborating with another group that was also talented .. not as talented as the revolution era .. but dnp and money dont matter were collaborations as was gett off .. it took me 20 years to realize that the reason the last 20 years didnt even get close was because it was more about the group effort than prince as an individual .. and prince by himself just is not that good .. or even good at all .. just like the beatles had moments later in life but never really recaptured the majesty as a group influencing each other .. what irks me about prince is his insistance that he did it all ... not crediting others .. and still insisting that he is the only piece that mattered way back when, when his 70 percent of poorly executed catalog proves this is not the case .. pink floyd still toured without roger waters .. but it was not as good .. janes addiction tour without eric avery but it is not as good .. prince without dez, wendy, lisa, fink, bobby, eric, atlanta, cymone, his dad, vanity, morris, jj, etc .. is just not as good and in fact , not good at all .. having heard his new material without already being a fan, i would not even have bothered at all, its just bad, his collaborative years are the only years that matter .. everything else is just trying to repeat himself and failing

You are really strange. like the anti-groupie. You are continually trying to discredit prince yet stay following his every move. That's a sign something is wrong with your brain lol.

It's funny that for all the people you list the only thing they have in common is Prince. He is the genuis. No doubt each of those folks contributed something to the mix but just like Michael Jordan on the Chicago Bulls he is/was the driving force and talent.

exaclty. Prince "took" the credit because he was the one who actually wrote most of the songs, and despite a certain posters continious insistence, wendy and lisa did not co write most of those songs. They were just decent backup musicians who have been elevated by their fans (largely because they appeared in the movie, Purple Rain).

Just here to point out that Wendy and Lisa are writing scores for successful (and, in fairness, some unsuccessful) TV shows and Films. In a lot of ways that's a hell of a lot more impressive than a 55 year old man still trying to make pop albums.

I'm no fool, Prince was and is clearly a genius in what he does but lets not get carried away with how we judge success.

jaawwnn said:

Just here to point out that Wendy and Lisa are writing scores for successful (and, in fairness, some unsuccessful) TV shows and Films. In a lot of ways that's a hell of a lot more impressive than a 55 year old man still trying to make pop albums.

I'm no fool, Prince was and is clearly a genius in what he does but lets not get carried away with how we judge success.

Do u really need to pull Prince down to prop up W&L? Great, they have been successful at scoring. I'm happy for them but they had to fit in where they could. Its not like they didn't try to be pop stars. It just didn't work for them. Which is not to say they made bad music. People in general just weren't interested.

there are quite a few references to the fact that prince does not credit music properly .. people were pissed about kiss .. andre was pissed about do me baby .. john nelson was pissed about scandelous .. now how about you PROVE that prince did write all those self credited songs ALL BY HIMSELF never taking a lyrice, riff, melody, or groove from any of the cats he was jamming, writing and colaborating with all those times ..

i am not an anti groupie .. i am a huge fan of a large chunk of the prince + friends output .. prince lack of properly crediting creates a huge credibility gap .. my assertions based upon historical documentation taken from many interviews and sources and even prince himself are more than justified in comparison

hhhhmmpt .. u got a stick up yer butt .. u are a troll cuz u just name call like a bully instead of even trying to discuss the ops original topic .. go play on the "i love the taste of prince farts" thread if you don't want to have an intellectual conversation

the revolution made even prince worst ideas sound great .. just like the beatles could make horrible songs about piggies and yellow submarines sound quite palateable (not that those are my favorite songs) ... i am sure the revolution could have rescued drivel like "graffite bridge" or "dolphin" in a similar fashion .. and I am sure they did rescue a few of prince ideas to make them great and also added a lot of great ideas of their own when not comeing up with fully awesome ideas of their own for prince to work off of .. who wrote "cool"? who wrote "jungle love"? just prince alone? prove it!

and why does the crowd go nuts when he plays these songs instead of his own "genius" songs like laydown (barf) (another collaboration btw) or who is he just strait ripping off with songs like "colonized mind"?

you can prove prince can do it all on his own when he writes and records a new song that stands up to the revolution era .. until then you are simply wrong and prince is simply not that good by himself .. hell even that sandra st vincent chick was pissed that prince just "took" her lyrics during emancipation ...