SuperSoulFighter said:

Alright, my first post was intended as a joke, which was why I put in the smiley and being European, yes I don't know that much about the Civil War and all that, although I did do a lot of reading about the Wild West. (And the Comanche Indians did some slave trading of their own!)

It was common among African and Native American/Amerindian rival groups when capturing enemies from other ethnic groups, to hold their captives as prisoners or slaves into their own system of indentured servitude/slavery. They were not the only groups that did this of course, and not saying no abuses may not have taken place, but remember that Europeans groups who were rivals, did the same among their own enemies as well. We can't use one groups' actions to excuse the actions of another. All we can do is try to accept the truth of historical events, (tragedies) that did happenn among and between each group, and hold those involved responsible for their actions, whether past or present, even while 'moving on' with our lives in present day.

Never liked the song, and I never liked the "ONA.. Piano" album...

thedance said:

Never liked the song, and I never liked the "ONA.. Piano" album...

must u voice your distaste all the time? U are forever telling us howmuch u dislike something.

tricky99 said:

thedance said:

Never liked the song, and I never liked the "ONA.. Piano" album...

must u voice your distaste all the time? U are forever telling us howmuch u dislike something.

you are very wrong,

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I have shown my deep love recently for "And God Created Woman" and the album.

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also the song "Temptation", I gave this song very much love in the new song "FixUrLifeUp" - Lyrics thread.

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I voice my opinion.

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1978-1995 are classics to me, most of the music.

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Some of the recent music I dislike, but I actually gave 5 new songs credits, in the thread about the new track "Fix.." I wrote something like:

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I like the RnRLA Remix7, Breakfast Can Wait, Screwdriver, Same Page Different Book, Boyfriend.

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>> you are so wrong about me, Tricky

ps. I also wrote positive about the Lotus/ Mplsound albums.

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I gave both about 8/10, which is rather high for a newer Prince album, isn't it?

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now, I don't like the ONA Piano album, I find the songs unfocused, it's not that kind of music I like, but whatever.

2elijah said:

SuperSoulFighter said:

I'm not an American and I don't know too much about it. I'm sure economic reasons were there, but idealism, the thought that nobody should be a slave, must have played a part in Lincoln's actions. Besides, we should look at all of this within the context of the time. [Edited 4/13/13 0:29am]

There are many Americans who aren't aware of how Lincoln felt about freeing the slaves. Most educators, especially around the civil rights era, and thereafter, only taught their students that "Lincoln freed the slaves", and didn't go any further than that or dig deep into the mindset of Lincoln.

Lincoln had to be convinced to free the slaves for the benefit of the North, by crippling the slave economy of the South, as many southerners were heavily dependent on slavery. Slavery being most Southerners' economic source of survival. Slavery was their currency/insurance package of that time period. If you owned slaves, you could sell/trade them for basic resources, pay for your childrens' education and send them to the best schools, put food on the table, purchase land, a home, and purchase many material items. Slavery gave birth to wealth for many. So if you take away someone's source of income/source of survival, you take food off their table, and money out of their pockets.

Lincoln believed that Blacks (or enslaved Blacks) were unequal to Whites. biologically/genetically. His concern was that if he freed the slaves, he did not want them living/mixing with Whites, as he did not believe that Africans, free or not, were equal to Whites. I think this is where many got confused, and still do, believing Lincoln was this kind gentlemen, who loved enslaved Africans and their descendants so much, that he freed them. Lincoln's concern about freeing the slaves, was that he did not want Blacks living/mixing among Whites. He believed that Blacks and Whites were not equal as humans, and that Blacks were inferior to Whites, and not entitled to the same, rights as Whites. The latter is just one of the ingredients of one with a racist mindset, so no, Prince was not wrong for exposing that uncomfortable, ugly truth about Lincoln in his song.

I think that line in the song about Lincoln being a racist, shocked or angered many of Prince's fans, probably because many were misinformed about Lincoln, due to lack of their own research and only aware of what they were taught about Lincoln.

[Edited 4/13/13 4:59am]

Thank you for the information on Lincoln, I knew that he wasn't the kind-hearted lover of slaves that educators would have us believe but hadn't really done the research that you have to learn all the facts. I'm curious, what did you think of Spielberg's movie?

luv2tha99s said:

2elijah said:

There are many Americans who aren't aware of how Lincoln felt about freeing the slaves. Most educators, especially around the civil rights era, and thereafter, only taught their students that "Lincoln freed the slaves", and didn't go any further than that or dig deep into the mindset of Lincoln.

Lincoln had to be convinced to free the slaves for the benefit of the North, by crippling the slave economy of the South, as many southerners were heavily dependent on slavery. Slavery being most Southerners' economic source of survival. Slavery was their currency/insurance package of that time period. If you owned slaves, you could sell/trade them for basic resources, pay for your childrens' education and send them to the best schools, put food on the table, purchase land, a home, and purchase many material items. Slavery gave birth to wealth for many. So if you take away someone's source of income/source of survival, you take food off their table, and money out of their pockets.

Lincoln believed that Blacks (or enslaved Blacks) were unequal to Whites. biologically/genetically. His concern was that if he freed the slaves, he did not want them living/mixing with Whites, as he did not believe that Africans, free or not, were equal to Whites. I think this is where many got confused, and still do, believing Lincoln was this kind gentlemen, who loved enslaved Africans and their descendants so much, that he freed them. Lincoln's concern about freeing the slaves, was that he did not want Blacks living/mixing among Whites. He believed that Blacks and Whites were not equal as humans, and that Blacks were inferior to Whites, and not entitled to the same, rights as Whites. The latter is just one of the ingredients of one with a racist mindset, so no, Prince was not wrong for exposing that uncomfortable, ugly truth about Lincoln in his song.

I think that line in the song about Lincoln being a racist, shocked or angered many of Prince's fans, probably because many were misinformed about Lincoln, due to lack of their own research and only aware of what they were taught about Lincoln.

[Edited 4/13/13 4:59am]

Thank you for the information on Lincoln, I knew that he wasn't the kind-hearted lover of slaves that educators would have us believe but hadn't really done the research that you have to learn all the facts. I'm curious, what did you think of Spielberg's movie?

No problem. About Spielberg's movie, from what I can remember of the film, I felt quite a few parts of the film was sugarcoated, and portrayed Lincoln as the great White saviour of freeing the slaves, when in his soul he believed Africans/enslaved Africans/Blacks, were not equal or deserving of specific freedoms and equal rights as Whites, (even voting). He believed that Whites were superior to Blacks.

Truth be told, for Lincoln, his interest in freeing the slaves was to cripple the south and win the civil war. One part of the movie that showed Lincoln's intentions for abolishing slavery, was when the Lincoln character in the movie stated to his colleague, (paraphrasing) "Freeing the slaves is a military necessity", that statement alone made it clear what Lincoln's intentions behind abolishing slavery was. It's amazing how a few lines of a song, can raise awareness and curiosity, about historical misinformation that has been passed on as truth for so many years.

In Prince's song 'Avalanche', he is right in stating that the 13th Amendment freed the slaves, as when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, from what I've researched, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't really free all the slaves, as many may have believed, it only freed slaves in confederate states. It's never too late to learn the truth.

Also, just to mention, the song speaks of other issues besides Lincoln and slavery, but touches, on slavery/ownerhsip/contract issues within the music industry, i.e., record execs/labels vs musicians/artists. Interesting how Prince found similarities among both issues.

[Edited 4/13/13 21:01pm]

2elijah said:

luv2tha99s said:

Thank you for the information on Lincoln, I knew that he wasn't the kind-hearted lover of slaves that educators would have us believe but hadn't really done the research that you have to learn all the facts. I'm curious, what did you think of Spielberg's movie?

No problem. About Spielberg's movie, from what I can remember of the film, I felt quite a few parts of the film was sugarcoated, and portrayed Lincoln as the great White saviour of freeing the slaves, when in his soul he believed Africans/enslaved Africans/Blacks, were not equal or deserving of specific freedoms and equal rights as Whites, (even voting). He believed that Whites were superior to Blacks.

Truth be told, for Lincoln, his interest in freeing the slaves was to cripple the south and win the civil war. One part of the movie that showed Lincoln's intentions for abolishing slavery, was when the Lincoln character in the movie stated to his colleague, (paraphrasing) "Freeing the slaves is a military necessity", that statement alone made it clear what Lincoln's intentions behind abolishing slavery was. It's amazing how a few lines of a song, can raise awareness and curiosity, about historical misinformation that has been passed on as truth for so many years.

In Prince's song 'Avalanche', he is right in stating that the 13th Amendment freed the slaves, as when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, from what I've researched, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't really free all the slaves, as many may have believed, it only freed slaves in confederate states. It's never too late to learn the truth.

Also, just to mention, the song speaks of other issues besides Lincoln and slavery, but touches, on slavery/ownerhsip/contract issues within the music industry, i.e., record execs/labels vs musicians/artists. Interesting how Prince found similarities among both issues.

[Edited 4/13/13 21:01pm]

Absolutely! I was in line at the Kodak theater waiting to be let in for the One Night Alone show in LA and some random fan in front of me and my gal said "I was here last night and the show was great but I didn't really care for the song where he dissed Lincoln." I had no idea what she was talking about since the ONA piano cd hadn't dropped yet. Ever since then I was curious about what had got her so riled up about the song. Great example of art inspiring the search for truth.

luv2tha99s said:

2elijah said:

No problem. About Spielberg's movie, from what I can remember of the film, I felt quite a few parts of the film was sugarcoated, and portrayed Lincoln as the great White saviour of freeing the slaves, when in his soul he believed Africans/enslaved Africans/Blacks, were not equal or deserving of specific freedoms and equal rights as Whites, (even voting). He believed that Whites were superior to Blacks.

Truth be told, for Lincoln, his interest in freeing the slaves was to cripple the south and win the civil war. One part of the movie that showed Lincoln's intentions for abolishing slavery, was when the Lincoln character in the movie stated to his colleague, (paraphrasing) "Freeing the slaves is a military necessity", that statement alone made it clear what Lincoln's intentions behind abolishing slavery was. It's amazing how a few lines of a song, can raise awareness and curiosity, about historical misinformation that has been passed on as truth for so many years.

In Prince's song 'Avalanche', he is right in stating that the 13th Amendment freed the slaves, as when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, from what I've researched, the Emancipation Proclamation didn't really free all the slaves, as many may have believed, it only freed slaves in confederate states. It's never too late to learn the truth.

Also, just to mention, the song speaks of other issues besides Lincoln and slavery, but touches, on slavery/ownerhsip/contract issues within the music industry, i.e., record execs/labels vs musicians/artists. Interesting how Prince found similarities among both issues.

[Edited 4/13/13 21:01pm]

Absolutely! I was in line at the Kodak theater waiting to be let in for the One Night Alone show in LA and some random fan in front of me and my gal said "I was here last night and the show was great but I didn't really care for the song where he dissed Lincoln." I had no idea what she was talking about since the ONA piano cd hadn't dropped yet. Ever since then I was curious about what had got her so riled up about the song. Great example of art inspiring the search for truth.

(Bolded part) I agree.

I guess the lyrics that random fan considered a 'diss' to Lincoln in Prince's song 'Avalanche', was no more than his/hers misleading education of Lincoln, just like many across the board have been misled about Lincoln.

The lyrics should have prompted that fan to do some research, and challenge what he/she heard in the lyrics, rather than accepting that ugly truth as a 'diss' to Lincoln, instead of the 'truth' about Lincoln. Had he/she done that, they would have realized that the lyrics do in fact reveal an ugly, yet uncomfortable, historical truth about Lincoln. Just to add, many people tend to protest hard when ugly truths about historical figures or events are revealed, even in song, so it is not unusual that ever so often, some will lash out at the individual(s) who reveals such information. 'Avalanche' is just one out of many of his songs, that will always lead to discussions.

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Prince should have stuck with his early 80's promotional model of not speaking,ever.We shouldn't be taking history lessons from a pampered, meglomaniac rock star.

I doubt this man has ever even walked into a grocery store and bought a loaf of bread for himself so what qualifies him to give history lessons on such weighted topics?

Prince has proven over & over & over again that he is no real deep thinker.Careful whom you let "teach" you.

Prince should just keep writing about nookie and parties.That is what he does best.

mask said:

Prince should have stuck with his early 80's promotional model of not speaking,ever.We shouldn't be taking history lessons from a pampered, meglomaniac rock star.

I doubt this man has ever even walked into a grocery store and bought a loaf of bread for himself so what qualifies him to give history lessons on such weighted topics?

Prince has proven over & over & over again that he is no real deep thinker.Careful whom you let "teach" you.

Prince should just keep writing about nookie and parties.That is what he does best.

As a recent article pointed out "six of Prince's eight great-grandparents were born into slavery, and as was unfortunately so common, one of his great-grandmothers was apparently the daughter of her one-time owner", so I think this is a subject matter on which Prince is entitled to speak his mind. Just saying.

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mask said:

Prince should just keep writing about nookie and parties.

wrong

mask said:

Prince should have stuck with his early 80's promotional model of not speaking,ever.We shouldn't be taking history lessons from a pampered, meglomaniac rock star.

I doubt this man has ever even walked into a grocery store and bought a loaf of bread for himself so what qualifies him to give history lessons on such weighted topics?

Prince has proven over & over & over again that he is no real deep thinker.Careful whom you let "teach" you.

Prince should just keep writing about nookie and parties.That is what he does best.

But Crazy Prince in best Prince! He's like a cross between David Icke and Tony Robbins. Fixurlifeup.

paulludvig said:

As a recent article pointed out "six of Prince's eight great-grandparents were born into slavery, and as was unfortunately so common, one of his great-grandmothers was apparently the daughter of her one-time owner", so I think this is a subject matter on which Prince is entitled to speak his mind. Just saying.

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Yes, I agree, he like many others, has a right to speak or sing about historical truths, and not feel he or anyone else, has to be quiet about it, on the basis that someone else is uncomfortable acknowledging ugly, historical facts. That would be like condoning lies as truths, just to comfort someone else's insecurities/uneasiness about those facts. You can't erase historical truths and behaviors of the past, because they already existed and happened. All we can do is learn from them.

Musicians/Artists have a right to raise awareness in song on socio-political/historical/human rights' issues. It's something many musicians/artists have done in the past and still in present day. Stevie Wonder, Joan Baez, U2, Wyclef, and more, sing about related issues to raise awareness and educate. I see no reason why Prince should be bashed for using his music, at times, to do the same. Certainly nothing crazy about that.

Another example, is late musican Fela Kuti, who used his music to boldly expose/express internal/external government corruption/racism, etc. that affected his country and other parts of Africa, and suffered consequences for exposing that information. Music is an international language, that often times, is used in many forms to communicate, inspire, and to raise awareness/educate the masses.

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mask said:

Prince should have stuck with his early 80's promotional model of not speaking,ever.We shouldn't be taking history lessons from a pampered, meglomaniac rock star.

I doubt this man has ever even walked into a grocery store and bought a loaf of bread for himself so what qualifies him to give history lessons on such weighted topics?

Prince has proven over & over & over again that he is no real deep thinker.Careful whom you let "teach" you.

Prince should just keep writing about nookie and parties.That is what he does best.

However, none of what you said refutes the fact that what Prince said about Lincoln is spot on so that says what about your clear, careful, and critical thinking skills?

2elijah said:

paulludvig said:

As a recent article pointed out "six of Prince's eight great-grandparents were born into slavery, and as was unfortunately so common, one of his great-grandmothers was apparently the daughter of her one-time owner", so I think this is a subject matter on which Prince is entitled to speak his mind. Just saying.

[Edited 4/15/13 11:58am

Yes, I agree, he like many others, has a right to speak or sing about historical truths, and not feel he or anyone else, has to be quiet about it, on the basis that someone else is uncomfortable acknowledging ugly, historical facts. That would be like condoning lies as truths, just to comfort someone else's insecurities/uneasiness about those facts. You can't erase historical truths and behaviors of the past, because they already existed and happened. All we can do is learn from them.

Musicians/Artists have a right to raise awareness in song on socio-political/historical/human rights' issues. It's something many musicians/artists have done in the past and still in present day. Stevie Wonder, Joan Baez, U2, Wyclef, and more, sing about related issues to raise awareness and educate. I see no reason why Prince should be bashed for using his music, at times, to do the same. Certainly nothing crazy about that.

Another example, is late musican Fela Kuti, who used his music to boldly expose/express internal/external government corruption/racism, etc. that affected his country and other parts of Africa, and suffered consequences for exposing that information. Music is an international language, that often times, is used in many forms to communicate, inspire, and to raise awareness/eucate the masses.

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And, Fela was Fonkee! This just proves that one doesn't have to be dull and boring to be socio-politically conscious.

1725topp said:

mask said:

Prince should have stuck with his early 80's promotional model of not speaking,ever.We shouldn't be taking history lessons from a pampered, meglomaniac rock star.

I doubt this man has ever even walked into a grocery store and bought a loaf of bread for himself so what qualifies him to give history lessons on such weighted topics?

Prince has proven over & over & over again that he is no real deep thinker.Careful whom you let "teach" you.

Prince should just keep writing about nookie and parties.That is what he does best.

However, none of what you said refutes the fact that what Prince said about Lincoln is spot on so that says what about your clear, careful, and critical thinking skills?

So,Prince was "spot on" with his slander about Abe Lincoln? Try again.

My" thinking skills" are just fine,thanks for your concern. I think & research things for myself.Unlike you,I don't need a history lesson from an aging rock star with an agenda to push on behalf of his church.

Prince is a racist and you are a dolt.

1725topp said:

2elijah said:

Yes, I agree, he like many others, has a right to speak or sing about historical truths, and not feel he or anyone else, has to be quiet about it, on the basis that someone else is uncomfortable acknowledging ugly, historical facts. That would be like condoning lies as truths, just to comfort someone else's insecurities/uneasiness about those facts. You can't erase historical truths and behaviors of the past, because they already existed and happened. All we can do is learn from them.

Musicians/Artists have a right to raise awareness in song on socio-political/historical/human rights' issues. It's something many musicians/artists have done in the past and still in present day. Stevie Wonder, Joan Baez, U2, Wyclef, and more, sing about related issues to raise awareness and educate. I see no reason why Prince should be bashed for using his music, at times, to do the same. Certainly nothing crazy about that.

Another example, is late musican Fela Kuti, who used his music to boldly expose/express internal/external government corruption/racism, etc. that affected his country and other parts of Africa, and suffered consequences for exposing that information. Music is an international language, that often times, is used in many forms to communicate, inspire, and to raise awareness/eucate the masses.

[Edited 4/15/13 13:22pm]

And, Fela was Fonkee! This just proves that one doesn't have to be dull and boring to be socio-politically conscious.

Exactly. Below are some quotes from Lincoln during the Lincoln-Stephen Douglas debates of 1858. So basically, the lyrics Prince sang in his song 'Avalanche', about Lincoln, obviously referenced the portion of the comments Lincoln made, during the 4th part of the Lincoln-Stephen Douglas debates in SC in 1858.

First Lincoln states this in the 1st part of the Lincoln-Stephen Douglas debates of 1858:

Quote fromAbraham Lincoln:

".........there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects---certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment But in the right to eat the bread, without leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man.

But then Lincoln says this in the 4th part of the Lincoln-Stephen Douglas debates in 1858:

Quote from Abraham Lincoln: "I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife.

My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman, or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political.

I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.” – Abraham Lincoln in the fourth debate with Stephen Douglas.

I'm not making excuses for Lincoln, but it is not surprising, given that era, that he may have held those type of beliefs due to his lack of historical/cultural education about Africans and their descendants-including those who where enslaved, and as well asm his views on race in general. He didn't deny viewing Blacks and Whites different physically, and also seemed to believe Blacks and Whites were not equal "in many respects" as he (Lincoln)stated.

Lincoln seemed to have conflicting views on Blacks, more than likely because of his ignorance of them. Also, based on some of his comments during those debates, he clearly appears to be a segregationist, as he stated that he didn't believe Blacks and Whites should intermarry and viewed Blacks as inferior to Whites. Those types of ignorant beliefs were surely the ingredients of someone with a racist mindset--even in present day that would be considered as such. Lincoln agreed with many of Stephen Douglas' racist views on Africans/enslaved Africans and their descendants as well. It is also clear, that much of Lincoln's reasons in considering to 'free the slaves', seems to have been based more on military reasons, and crippling the south's economic dependency on slavery, in order to save the Union, moreso than Lincoln's reasons or intentions to 'free the slaves' being based on humanitarian reasons.

Many men in power during Lincoln's time, held ignorant yet racist beliefs, which was common and became societal acceptance/'the norm' for many, mostly based on their own ignorance and fears. I'm sure most who are aware of some of those comments Lincoln made, find the comments questionable, and are not exactly proud of it, but those comments are written in American history, as comments Lincoln actually expressed. I find that 'research' is always the best medicine to cure 'false truths' symptoms.

Recommended book for those interested: The Real Lincoln - by Thomas DiLorenzo:

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mask said:

1725topp said:

However, none of what you said refutes the fact that what Prince said about Lincoln is spot on so that says what about your clear, careful, and critical thinking skills?

So,Prince was "spot on" with his slander about Abe Lincoln? Try again.

My" thinking skills" are just fine,thanks for your concern. I think & research things for myself.Unlike you,I don't need a history lesson from an aging rock star with an agenda to push on behalf of his church.

Prince is a racist and you are a dolt.

While I should not assume your race since I can't see you, I'm always amazed that white people almost always call black people racist when we tell white people the truth about their history of systematic and historical oppression of people of color. Obviously you need a history lesson from someone since you don't know the "real" Lincoln, and I'm glad that 2elijah took the time to provide you some “research” and “facts”. Now, after having read what 2elijah has posted, are you going to admit that you needed a history lesson from someone, or are you going to, like some many who are absorbed in their white supremacy, simply ignore these researched facts that have been affirmed by scholars for years. I'll stop here because I can't stop laughing at how 2elijah made you look like an ass with "research," showing how you obviously haven't researched or critically analyzed anything relating to Lincoln. Since it seems that you may have a negative opinion of the intellect of African people based on what you said regarding what Prince "should" discuss in his music and how you just attempted to marginalize what I and others have said about Lincoln, I hope this little history lesson you've just had teaches you that African/black people do know how to "research" and "think critically". You can pick yo' face up off the floor on the way out. Peace brother, and, unlike you, I don't use the term peace loosely.

1725topp said:

mask said:

So,Prince was "spot on" with his slander about Abe Lincoln? Try again.

My" thinking skills" are just fine,thanks for your concern. I think & research things for myself.Unlike you,I don't need a history lesson from an aging rock star with an agenda to push on behalf of his church.

Prince is a racist and you are a dolt.

While I should not assume your race since I can't see you, I'm always amazed that white people almost always call black people racist when we tell white people the truth about their history of systematic and historical oppression of people of color. Obviously you need a history lesson from someone since you don't know the "real" Lincoln, and I'm glad that 2elijah took the time to provide you some “research” and “facts”. Now, after having read what 2elijah has posted, are you going to admit that you needed a history lesson from someone, or are you going to, like some many who are absorbed in their white supremacy, simply ignore these researched facts that have been affirmed by scholars for years. I'll stop here because I can't stop laughing at how 2elijah made you look like an ass with "research," showing how you obviously haven't researched or critically analyzed anything relating to Lincoln. Since it seems that you may have a negative opinion of the intellect of African people based on what you said regarding what Prince "should" discuss in his music and how you just attempted to marginalize what I and others have said about Lincoln, I hope this little history lesson you've just had teaches you that African/black people do know how to "research" and "think critically". You can pick yo' face up off the floor on the way out. Peace brother, and, unlike you, I don't use the term peace loosely.

Nice try!

Bait someone else with your hostile nonesense,I simply have no time for you.

mask said:

1725topp said:

While I should not assume your race since I can't see you, I'm always amazed that white people almost always call black people racist when we tell white people the truth about their history of systematic and historical oppression of people of color. Obviously you need a history lesson from someone since you don't know the "real" Lincoln, and I'm glad that 2elijah took the time to provide you some “research” and “facts”. Now, after having read what 2elijah has posted, are you going to admit that you needed a history lesson from someone, or are you going to, like some many who are absorbed in their white supremacy, simply ignore these researched facts that have been affirmed by scholars for years. I'll stop here because I can't stop laughing at how 2elijah made you look like an ass with "research," showing how you obviously haven't researched or critically analyzed anything relating to Lincoln. Since it seems that you may have a negative opinion of the intellect of African people based on what you said regarding what Prince "should" discuss in his music and how you just attempted to marginalize what I and others have said about Lincoln, I hope this little history lesson you've just had teaches you that African/black people do know how to "research" and "think critically". You can pick yo' face up off the floor on the way out. Peace brother, and, unlike you, I don't use the term peace loosely.

Nice try!

Bait someone else with your hostile nonesense,I simply have no time for you.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle BLACK.

luv2tha99s said:

Talk about the pot calling the kettle BLACK.

Thank you.