2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Nice reply 2Elijah

Thanks! Just to add...would be cool if Drfunkenberry invited Alan to his Spreecast show as a guest.

[Edited 4/3/13 9:01am]

mmmm hmmmm

actually get 3 people who can talk from 3 different aspects: people I've found to be very direct and knowledgable about the music: Lisa Coleman, Susan Rogers & Alan Leeds, that would be a show

2freaky4church1 said:

I loved the stuff about the basketball game that P had with Toure. I was surprised that Prince let him make a free throw, also surprised Prince missed so many shots. Always had the impression he was a decent baller.

Quest has had some amazing access to P. I felt sorry for him that he had to endure those long religious sessions.

One thing that didn't surprise me was that Prince was really bad with his money, the fact that most of his early tours made no money because of over spending. His new shows actually make more money.

That is now why we see shows with such cheap sets..lol

Alan was right, they were mostly respectful to Prince, more than they should have. Prince, love him or not has done some truly awful things.

I doubt P has done anything more awful than any other human and not attending that tribute was not a crime against humanity. I know if has never occured to you or the princephiles like Toure but maybe P is not comfortable with the adulation, maybe he did not want to sit thru bad cover versions or maybe he just wants to move forward and not live in the past. I believe their is more to his non-particpation then just being mean or arrogant.

Graycap23 said:

2elijah said:

Graycap23 said: I guess it more or less depends on how genuine the relatioship(s) really is or was.

How genuine can it ever get if one part is fronting at the very start?

Gray, I think you missed the part where I said "...it more or less depends on how genuine the friendship(s) really is or was" mainly because neither you nor I know how genuine any of those friendships are/were to judge on a fair basis, especially when you are only hearing one side of the story. That's all I meant.

2elijah said:

Graycap23 said:

How genuine can it ever get if one part is fronting at the very start?

Gray, I think you missed the part where I said "...it more or less depends on how genuine the friendship(s) really is or was" mainly because neither you nor I know how genuine any of those friendships are/were to judge on a fair basis, especially when you are only hearing one side of the story. That's all I meant.

No comment.

laurarichardson said:

2freaky4church1 said:

I loved the stuff about the basketball game that P had with Toure. I was surprised that Prince let him make a free throw, also surprised Prince missed so many shots. Always had the impression he was a decent baller.

Quest has had some amazing access to P. I felt sorry for him that he had to endure those long religious sessions.

One thing that didn't surprise me was that Prince was really bad with his money, the fact that most of his early tours made no money because of over spending. His new shows actually make more money.

That is now why we see shows with such cheap sets..lol

Alan was right, they were mostly respectful to Prince, more than they should have. Prince, love him or not has done some truly awful things.

I doubt P has done anything more awful than any other human and not attending that tribute was not a crime against humanity. I know if has never occured to you or the princephiles like Toure but maybe P is not comfortable with the adulation, maybe he did not want to sit thru bad cover versions or maybe he just wants to move forward and not live in the past. I believe their is more to his non-particpation then just being mean or arrogant.

I somewhat agree with you. Could be also because of his religious beliefs he would not have felt comfortable with some of the swearing in songs, which is pretty much understandable, because he no longer sings those type songs anymore, even though they are his songs. Also, maybe his presence would have taken the attention off the performers there. The performances weren't bad, and those who attended had their favorites of specific songs sung by the musicians/artists who performed there. It's almost scary to give your opinion of the tribute around here, because you kind of feel like you're walking on egg shells to say you enjoyed the show, even though the choice of songs included some swearing, that Prince no longer sings anymore.

As far as Toure's book, and those who participated and donated information to the book who worked with Prince or was in a relationship with him in the past, well, I think it is safe to say that it's always fair to hear 'two sides to a story' rather than judge it from one side, but then when anyone suggests that, the accusations of 'Purple-Koolaid azzkissers' gets thrown around.

Graycap23 said:

2elijah said:

Gray, I think you missed the part where I said "...it more or less depends on how genuine the friendship(s) really is or was" mainly because neither you nor I know how genuine any of those friendships are/were to judge on a fair basis, especially when you are only hearing one side of the story. That's all I meant.

No comment.

That's fine.

2elijah said:

Graycap23 said:

How genuine can it ever get if one part is fronting at the very start?

Gray, I think you missed the part where I said "...it more or less depends on how genuine the friendship(s) really is or was" mainly because neither you nor I know how genuine any of those friendships are/were to judge on a fair basis, especially when you are only hearing one side of the story. That's all I meant.

What if u know BOTH sides?

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Thanks! Just to add...would be cool if Drfunkenberry invited Alan to his Spreecast show as a guest.

[Edited 4/3/13 9:01am]

mmmm hmmmm

actually get 3 people who can talk from 3 different aspects: people I've found to be very direct and knowledgable about the music: Lisa Coleman, Susan Rogers & Alan Leeds, that would be a show

Dez Dickerson would be a good choice as well. DrF already had BobbyZ and Andre Cymone on the show so far.

[Edited 4/5/13 10:36am]

Graycap23 said:

2elijah said:

Gray, I think you missed the part where I said "...it more or less depends on how genuine the friendship(s) really is or was" mainly because neither you nor I know how genuine any of those friendships are/were to judge on a fair basis, especially when you are only hearing one side of the story. That's all I meant.

What if u know BOTH sides?

Well, Gray, I guess it also depends on if you know the persons involved on a personal basis, and spoke to each one about the dispute/disagrement/conflict if any, between them, to arrive at a conclusion or final judgement of their situation. If that's the case, then I can't disupute your opinion, but I just see each friendship different from the other.

I am not saying longterm friendships cannot go sour, because that would be unrealistic, but then if a friendhsip can't be resolved, and there are personality conflicts, then why hang on, when there's a world full of new people to meet? There's no shortage of that. I don't believe people should waste time trying to change someone for their own benefit, especially if that person doesn't want to change or see no reason to change. You can't force people to change unless they want to. It's not that difficult to 'let go' unless you want to hang on.

When there's a conflict with a friendship, trust is lost, and even if you choose to remain friends, when the trust is lost, that friendship will never be the same, and if you are comfortable knowing that, and made the choice of remaining friends, then when a conflict arises again, just know you made the choice of maintaining that friendship, and you only have yourself to blame for choosing to hang on.

I just believe that when a frendship is not as trustworthy as it once was, sometimes it's best to move on. I mean how much does it take to get the point that it's time to 'let go' and move on? Badmouthing that person won't change a thing, because the one doing the badmouthing is the one left to deal with the bitterness, they allowed to consume them.

Am I giving you a difficult time Gray?

2elijah said:

Graycap23 said:

What if u know BOTH sides?

Well, Gray, I guess it also depends on if you know the persons involved on a personal basis, and spoke to each one about the dispute/disagrement/conflict if any, between them, to arrive at a conclusion or final judgement of their situation. If that's the case, then I can't disupute your opinion, but I just see each friendship different from the other.

I am not saying longterm friendships cannot go sour, because that would be unrealistic, but then if a friendhsip can't be resolved, and there are personality conflicts, then why hang on, when there's a world full of new people to meet? There's no shortage of that. I don't believe people should waste time trying to change someone for their own benefit, especially if that person doesn't want to change or see no reason to change. You can't force people to change unless they want to. It's not that difficult to 'let go' unless you want to hang on.

When there's a conflict with a friendship, trust is lost, and even if you choose to remain friends, when the trust is lost, that friendship will never be the same, and if you are comfortable knowing that, and made the choice of remaining friends, then when a conflict arises again, just know you made the choice of maintaining that friendship, and you only have yourself to blame for choosing to hang on.

I just believe that when a frendship is not as trustworthy as it once was, sometimes it's best to move on. I mean how much does it take to get the point that it's time to 'let go' and move on? Badmouthing that person won't change a thing, because the one doing the badmouthing is the one left to deal with the bitterness, they allowed to consume them.

Am I giving you a difficult time Gray? :lol:

Graycap23 said:

2elijah said:

Well, Gray, I guess it also depends on if you know the persons involved on a personal basis, and spoke to each one about the dispute/disagrement/conflict if any, between them, to arrive at a conclusion or final judgement of their situation. If that's the case, then I can't disupute your opinion, but I just see each friendship different from the other.

I am not saying longterm friendships cannot go sour, because that would be unrealistic, but then if a friendhsip can't be resolved, and there are personality conflicts, then why hang on, when there's a world full of new people to meet? There's no shortage of that. I don't believe people should waste time trying to change someone for their own benefit, especially if that person doesn't want to change or see no reason to change. You can't force people to change unless they want to. It's not that difficult to 'let go' unless you want to hang on.

When there's a conflict with a friendship, trust is lost, and even if you choose to remain friends, when the trust is lost, that friendship will never be the same, and if you are comfortable knowing that, and made the choice of remaining friends, then when a conflict arises again, just know you made the choice of maintaining that friendship, and you only have yourself to blame for choosing to hang on.

I just believe that when a frendship is not as trustworthy as it once was, sometimes it's best to move on. I mean how much does it take to get the point that it's time to 'let go' and move on? Badmouthing that person won't change a thing, because the one doing the badmouthing is the one left to deal with the bitterness, they allowed to consume them.

Am I giving you a difficult time Gray? :lol:

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

mmmm hmmmm

actually get 3 people who can talk from 3 different aspects: people I've found to be very direct and knowledgable about the music: Lisa Coleman, Susan Rogers & Alan Leeds, that would be a show

Dez Dickerson would be a good choice as well. DrF already had BobbyZ and Andre Cymone on the show so far.

[Edited 4/5/13 10:36am]

yes, Dez is Another one

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Dez Dickerson would be a good choice as well. DrF already had BobbyZ and Andre Cymone on the show so far.

[Edited 4/5/13 10:36am]

yes, Dez is Another one

Also Eric Leeds.

luvsexy4all said:

Superconductor said:

luvsexy4all said:

still people "ignore" the implications of that cousin comment by the Vibe chick....

What do you mean?

her cousin was on the "wrong" side of the law....and Prince thanks him on his CD

Superconductor said:

controversy99 said:

Superconductor said:

What do you mean?

Not sure what exactly he superc means, but I also think it's interesting that both this discussion on the Org and the panel discussion ignored the fact that she sai her outside of the law cousin was thanked on the liner notes. It probably wasn't for anything illegal, but I'd still think folks would be interested in that detail especially since none of the people on the panel knew Prince at that early stage in his career.

i would think illegal substances...

ALANL said:

I always wrestle with whether to post here because invariably there are those who choose to make my words mean what they would like them to mean. That some even infer it is somehow “beneath” me to participate,annoys me even more. Fact is I post for the same reason as most of you…….an interest in and personal relevance to Prince and/or his music. Just want to set the record straight on a few things. I do not claim to be “close” to Prince –haven’t had two words with the man in many years. I left his employ on good terms. I care about him. But we are all humans and humans sometimes say and do things others find disagreeable. When a celebrity says or does something,whether Prince likes it or not, it goes into the public domain for discussion.But to disagree or become annoyed does NOT have to suggest any hidden agendas or sour grapes. Secondly, he had every right to not attend the Carnegie Hall tribute. But I don't care if he hates hearing his music played by others or is uncomfortable with some of the lyrics, the bigger issue is it was a charity event for a good cause and the night's only other purpose was to show him love. I just think it's sad when he can't simply tuck away his personal issues and humbly accept the tribute in the spirit it was intended. That's called growing up (for those of you who didn't like my crack at the seminar). Thirdly, I have no intentions of writing a "Prince book". I am not comfortable speaking for someone else and since Prince has no interest in honestly and openly explaining himself, what would be the point of me just adding to the tons of speculation about him. On the other hand, I am perfectly comfortablewriting about MY life……….which obviously includes ten years in which Prince played a major role. But don’t rush to Barnes & Noble yet, there are a ton of projects above it on my list, lol. May the project live to see the dawn!

Thank you Mr. Leeds for posting and your thoughts are always entertaining and insightful. Hopefully, you write your OWN book about your experiences in the business and if you have a website, a list of your videos where you have spoken at lectures from James Brown, Prince. etc. I remember seeing you in a documentary called Soul Deep and I hope you keep doing them.

ALANL said:

I always wrestle with whether to post here because invariably there are those who choose to make my words mean what they would like them to mean. That some even infer it is somehow “beneath” me to participate,annoys me even more. Fact is I post for the same reason as most of you…….an interest in and personal relevance to Prince and/or his music. Just want to set the record straight on a few things. I do not claim to be “close” to Prince –haven’t had two words with the man in many years. I left his employ on good terms. I care about him. But we are all humans and humans sometimes say and do things others find disagreeable. When a celebrity says or does something,whether Prince likes it or not, it goes into the public domain for discussion.But to disagree or become annoyed does NOT have to suggest any hidden agendas or sour grapes. Secondly, he had every right to not attend the Carnegie Hall tribute. But I don't care if he hates hearing his music played by others or is uncomfortable with some of the lyrics, the bigger issue is it was a charity event for a good cause and the night's only other purpose was to show him love. I just think it's sad when he can't simply tuck away his personal issues and humbly accept the tribute in the spirit it was intended. That's called growing up (for those of you who didn't like my crack at the seminar). Thirdly, I have no intentions of writing a "Prince book". I am not comfortable speaking for someone else and since Prince has no interest in honestly and openly explaining himself, what would be the point of me just adding to the tons of speculation about him. On the other hand, I am perfectly comfortablewriting about MY life……….which obviously includes ten years in which Prince played a major role. But don’t rush to Barnes & Noble yet, there are a ton of projects above it on my list, lol. May the project live to see the dawn!

Good point!

ALANL said:

I always wrestle with whether to post here because invariably there are those who choose to make my words mean what they would like them to mean. That some even infer it is somehow “beneath” me to participate,annoys me even more. Fact is I post for the same reason as most of you…….an interest in and personal relevance to Prince and/or his music. Just want to set the record straight on a few things. I do not claim to be “close” to Prince –haven’t had two words with the man in many years. I left his employ on good terms. I care about him. But we are all humans and humans sometimes say and do things others find disagreeable. When a celebrity says or does something,whether Prince likes it or not, it goes into the public domain for discussion.But to disagree or become annoyed does NOT have to suggest any hidden agendas or sour grapes. Secondly, he had every right to not attend the Carnegie Hall tribute. But I don't care if he hates hearing his music played by others or is uncomfortable with some of the lyrics, the bigger issue is it was a charity event for a good cause and the night's only other purpose was to show him love. I just think it's sad when he can't simply tuck away his personal issues and humbly accept the tribute in the spirit it was intended. That's called growing up (for those of you who didn't like my crack at the seminar). Thirdly, I have no intentions of writing a "Prince book". I am not comfortable speaking for someone else and since Prince has no interest in honestly and openly explaining himself, what would be the point of me just adding to the tons of speculation about him. On the other hand, I am perfectly comfortablewriting about MY life……….which obviously includes ten years in which Prince played a major role. But don’t rush to Barnes & Noble yet, there are a ton of projects above it on my list, lol. May the project live to see the dawn!

Maybe, just maybe some of these thoughts will start 2 sink in with some of these folks...................................at least one can hope they do.

[Edited 4/9/13 12:49pm]

ALANL said:

I always wrestle with whether to post here because invariably there are those who choose to make my words mean what they would like them to mean. That some even infer it is somehow “beneath” me to participate,annoys me even more. Fact is I post for the same reason as most of you…….an interest in and personal relevance to Prince and/or his music. Just want to set the record straight on a few things. I do not claim to be “close” to Prince –haven’t had two words with the man in many years. I left his employ on good terms. I care about him. But we are all humans and humans sometimes say and do things others find disagreeable. When a celebrity says or does something,whether Prince likes it or not, it goes into the public domain for discussion.But to disagree or become annoyed does NOT have to suggest any hidden agendas or sour grapes. Secondly, he had every right to not attend the Carnegie Hall tribute. But I don't care if he hates hearing his music played by others or is uncomfortable with some of the lyrics, the bigger issue is it was a charity event for a good cause and the night's only other purpose was to show him love. I just think it's sad when he can't simply tuck away his personal issues and humbly accept the tribute in the spirit it was intended. That's called growing up (for those of you who didn't like my crack at the seminar). Thirdly, I have no intentions of writing a "Prince book". I am not comfortable speaking for someone else and since Prince has no interest in honestly and openly explaining himself, what would be the point of me just adding to the tons of speculation about him. On the other hand, I am perfectly comfortablewriting about MY life……….which obviously includes ten years in which Prince played a major role. But don’t rush to Barnes & Noble yet, there are a ton of projects above it on my list, lol. May the project live to see the dawn!

Please continue to post whenever you feel like it. I noticed how my words on another thread were changed even though what I typed was right there.

I won't buy this book. I don't like the picture on the cover, Toure seems like he idolizes him, and I disagree with much of what Prince has done over the years. Prince has created some great music, especially during the time you were employed by him but I don't think he's a nice person. It's nice you still care about him but I don't think he's grown much so I doubt he cares about you.

[Edited 4/9/13 12:55pm]

Sassey said:

ALANL said:

I always wrestle with whether to post here because invariably there are those who choose to make my words mean what they would like them to mean. That some even infer it is somehow “beneath” me to participate,annoys me even more. Fact is I post for the same reason as most of you…….an interest in and personal relevance to Prince and/or his music. Just want to set the record straight on a few things. I do not claim to be “close” to Prince –haven’t had two words with the man in many years. I left his employ on good terms. I care about him. But we are all humans and humans sometimes say and do things others find disagreeable. When a celebrity says or does something,whether Prince likes it or not, it goes into the public domain for discussion.But to disagree or become annoyed does NOT have to suggest any hidden agendas or sour grapes. Secondly, he had every right to not attend the Carnegie Hall tribute. But I don't care if he hates hearing his music played by others or is uncomfortable with some of the lyrics, the bigger issue is it was a charity event for a good cause and the night's only other purpose was to show him love. I just think it's sad when he can't simply tuck away his personal issues and humbly accept the tribute in the spirit it was intended. That's called growing up (for those of you who didn't like my crack at the seminar). Thirdly, I have no intentions of writing a "Prince book". I am not comfortable speaking for someone else and since Prince has no interest in honestly and openly explaining himself, what would be the point of me just adding to the tons of speculation about him. On the other hand, I am perfectly comfortablewriting about MY life……….which obviously includes ten years in which Prince played a major role. But don’t rush to Barnes & Noble yet, there are a ton of projects above it on my list, lol. May the project live to see the dawn!

Please continue to post whenever you feel like it. I noticed how my words on another thread were changed even though what I typed was right there.

I won't buy this book. I don't like the picture on the cover, Toure seems like he idolizes him, and I disagree with much of what Prince has done over the years. Prince has created some great music, especially during the time you were employed by him but I don't think he's a nice person. It's nice you still care about him but I don't think he's grown much so I doubt he cares about you.

[Edited 4/9/13 12:55pm]

Did you really just say that? It's a little presumptious & gratuitous, don't you think. I have my problems with how Prince handles himself and his relationships, but I certainly wouldn't claim to know how he feels about somebody else unless Prince has spoken publicly about that person and his relationship with them.

controversy99 said:

Sassey said:

Please continue to post whenever you feel like it. I noticed how my words on another thread were changed even though what I typed was right there.

I won't buy this book. I don't like the picture on the cover, Toure seems like he idolizes him, and I disagree with much of what Prince has done over the years. Prince has created some great music, especially during the time you were employed by him but I don't think he's a nice person. It's nice you still care about him but I don't think he's grown much so I doubt he cares about you.

[Edited 4/9/13 12:55pm]

Did you really just say that? It's a little presumptious & gratuitous, don't you think. I have my problems with how Prince handles himself and his relationships, but I certainly wouldn't claim to know how he feels about somebody else unless Prince has spoken publicly about that person and his relationship with them.

I understand why he wrestles with posting here.

Do you have a problem with me expressing doubt? MY feeling is Prince doesn't care about many of his former employees. Maybe he does but I doubt it. You have every right to wait for Prince to speak publicly about a person and his relationship with them but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Peace

[Edited 4/9/13 20:33pm]

It is so awesome to read fans response to people who were actually involved in the career and personal life of Prince. Like they are representing Prince while knowing ZERO about him personally. Hilarious.

Sassey said:

controversy99 said:

Did you really just say that? It's a little presumptious & gratuitous, don't you think. I have my problems with how Prince handles himself and his relationships, but I certainly wouldn't claim to know how he feels about somebody else unless Prince has spoken publicly about that person and his relationship with them.

I understand why he wrestles with posting here.

Do you have a problem with me expressing doubt? MY feeling is Prince doesn't care about many of his former employees. Maybe he does but I doubt it. You have every right to wait for Prince to speak publicly about a person and his relationship with them but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

Peace

[Edited 4/9/13 20:33pm]

I have no problem with you expressing doubt. I didn't mean to attack you, if that's how it sounded.