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PrintableJestyr said: Anji said: When I said Prince was trippin' during the often told 'dark night of the soul', I meant he was under the influence of drugs. Why else would there be so many references in Lovesexy to God being a better drug, a better high?
 Not to mention the opening line "...cause there's no smack in my brain..." I think Prince had a very frightening ecstasy trip, one that maybe even put the fear of death into him and from evaluating that experience he decided to dedicate his life to something much more meaningful than temporary highs.  | |
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Fishtail. I mean really.
Anji. Get yo'self. Lovesexy is beloved because it is a classic record. One of Prince's best ever. Now run and tell ya mama bout dat! And while you're at it tell yo papa bout DIS! Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: Fishtail. I mean really.
Anji. Get yo'self. Lovesexy is beloved because it is a classic record. One of Prince's best ever. Now run and tell ya mama bout dat! And while you're at it tell yo papa bout DIS! I think you misinterpreted this thread. | |
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namepeace said: Fishtail. I mean really.
Anji. Get yo'self. Lovesexy is beloved because it is a classic record. One of Prince's best ever. Now run and tell ya mama bout dat! And while you're at it tell yo papa bout DIS! I've just understood that reference! I Wish U Heaven pt I, II & III rock!  | |
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I also have to qualify this thread - Lovesexy is not the most overrated Prince record, and it certainly would never have been considered at those elevated levels because of the spiritual message; at least not before The Rainbow Children was released. It's reputation must have mainly been due to the music, and on that level the record is very much underrated (but maybe not amongst the hardcore).
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WildheartXXX said: rdhull said: Pagey said: I totally agree. Lovesexy is a good record. But it is WAY over-rated amoung the hardcore. Compared to the 5 albums (6 if u count the Black Album) that came before, it was and is a major let down. Eye no is dribble.
 Plus Eye No is taken from The Ball etc..he just changed the words to fit his silly newfound "experience". Im tellin you..Prince pulled one over on folks with Lovesexy b.s. But they dont hear me though. I have always said Lovesexy is a good album bookended by two extremely average songs. Eye No and Positivity. Eye No is the worst opener of any Prince album NO WAY...The first time I heard Eye No,I wanted to run outside and grab strangers and kiss em,and shout from the fuckin rooftops,"listen you idiots,you have to hear this"...ok,maybe I'm slightly exaggerating,but that song excites me just as much now as it did when I first heard it!! And frankly,I'd rather listen to it than Purple Rain,or Do Me Baby,or Cream, or 1999, or When U Were Mine anyday.  I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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i dig lovesexy.. to call it overrated is nutz. lovesexy seems to be an album that is not structured for mainstream. i think it is a thinker's album. not a dance album. i love the way prince doesn't care about music selling on billboard or soundscan whatever.. he is a musician. i think it is a musicial album with brave steps of musical expression. the beatles have done it in the past when they were just trying to make "original" music.
see, if one is not a musician one seems to critique the way an album makes you feel, or the sound.. but for me..and only me.. i love when an artist just goes out of the boundaries! "i wish u heaven is slammin"! "dance on"??syncapated drum beats.. that jon is funky! with a message too. the waterfall outro? i think the problem lies is when people "expect" an artist to repeat themselves.. that is the nail in the coffin for a musician.. because we only want people to hear us in our now stage. not the then. it's about musical growth. listen to rap today. everything is a repetitive cycle.. noone's taking chances because of the possibility of a flop. where is the musical respect??? the genius? the craftsmanship or creatorship? so sad.. i can't even buy and album nowadays. possibly the Roots are doing a lil' somethin somethin'.. cody chestnut.. so sad brotha's and sista's! [This message was edited Mon May 12 17:34:23 PDT 2003 by jojofran] | |
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Anji said: namepeace said: Fishtail. I mean really.
Anji. Get yo'self. Lovesexy is beloved because it is a classic record. One of Prince's best ever. Now run and tell ya mama bout dat! And while you're at it tell yo papa bout DIS! I've just understood that reference! I Wish U Heaven pt I, II & III rock! Well, maybe I was just paying attention to the title and not the content. But I simply don't agree with the premise. Reading this board, it seems as if TRC holds that title. But that's my opinion. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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AaronFantastic said: While I still think it's a great album, I do think it's incredibly overrated. Looking back, Lovesexy was kind of the beginning of the end for Prince's creative peak. It all sounds great, the band is incredible, most of the songs are good (Dance On and Positivity aside), but it's the beginning of Prince over-producing himself (think Batman, D&P,
 , Gold, Emancipation).
Interestingly, while I see his most spiritual album to date (in 1988), Lovesexy, as the first step down, I see his most spiritual album to date (in 2001), The Rainbow Children, to be a step up back up. They're kind of even points on the ladder.  "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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Gr8 thread, as every1's said!
I loved Lovesexy from day 1, but I still think SOTT's a better album. It's also sad fro the reason's Aaron stated above (I think that's also what whoever meant by a turning-point). I have a theory about the decline after LS (and this is in answer to some of RD's arguments): I think the eighties albums were all about him working out this dichotomy between sexuality and spirituality. In "Sexuality" they seem to go together, but it's an uneasy alliance. He seems to resolve the conflict at the end of ATWIAD with "Temptation", and so Parade seems much cleaner ("Kiss" is partly about romantic maturity), but not spiritual. SOTT throws all this stuff together and what emerges is the resolution expressed in the Black Album/Lovesexy combination. He'd finally resolved the issue, and had nowhere 2 go. This is why, I think, he planned 2 take a year off, got sidetracked in2 doing Batman (which seemed to express the old dichotomy) and then didn't really know where he was heading. I remember being really surprised with "Gett Off", thinking - I thought he was over all that. It's still one of my favourite songs, but it was disappointing that the thematic narrative was then well and truly broken (even though he tried to reconstruct it on the symbol album - "I've got 2 sides, and they're both friends", it was no longer credible). By the way, for those who see LS as a GENUINE spiritual conversion (Anji included), let me ask u this: why then did he include the first half of his tour, which expressed the dark side? SUre, u could argue that it was necessary in order 2 appreciate the overall message but that's disingenuous. WHy? Because the first half rocks! I never ssaw it live, but video 2 (the first half) is BETTER than the second half. And I think P knows it. The point is - together they tell a story. It's a performance like a brilliant drama. He hasn't really renounced all the dark stuff (hell he pretended to give and get head every night on stage), but he wanted to tell a great story about spirtual revelation, and the possibility of a "Lovesexy" synthesis. I read a great review of the concert where they talked about how the first half was like pimping himself and so he ended with "wasitgood4u? Was i what u wanted me 2 b?", and then the Second Half he came out and showed his "true self". [This message was edited Tue May 13 6:06:30 PDT 2003 by wasitgood4u] "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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gypsyfire said:[quote]WildheartXXX said:[quote]rdhull said:[quote] Pagey said: I totally agree. Lovesexy is a good record. But it is WAY over-rated amoung the hardcore. Compared to the 5 albums (6 if u count the Black Album) that came before, it was and is a major let down. Eye no is dribble.
Hull, I'm disappointed in u. Eye No is one of the greatest Prince songs ever. The horns, the bassline, the vocals, and the message of faith. It's a fun, funky, playful track. Eye No is taken from The Ball etc..he just changed the words to fit his silly newfound "experience". Im tellin you..Prince pulled one over on folks with Lovesexy b.s. But they dont hear me though.
Please. It's a good record. The message is one of freedom and faith. I have always said Lovesexy is a good album bookended by two extremely average songs. Eye No and Positivity. Eye No is the worst opener of any Prince album
 EYE NO U just didn't say that, Wild. What's up with y'all today? Y'all need some sunshine in your life or somethin'!
NO WAY...The first time I heard Eye No,I wanted to run outside and grab strangers and kiss em,and shout from the fuckin rooftops,"listen you idiots,you have to hear this"...ok,maybe I'm slightly exaggerating,but that song excites me just as much now as it did when I first heard it!!
And frankly,I'd rather listen to it than Purple Rain,or Do Me Baby,or Cream, or 1999, or When U Were Mine anyday. well, I agree with gypsy except for kissing strangers. While Lovesexy is no SOTT or Purple Rain, it is a great Prince record. As Prince said, you either had a mindblowing experience with Lovesexy or you didn't. It's cool either way, but don't put down Eye No just cuz y'all got holes in ya soul!  Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Lovesexy is not a classic of all time, but it has great songs on it and so so songs. Nuff need be said. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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jojofran said: lovesexy seems to be an album that is not structured for mainstream. i think it is a thinker's album. i love the way prince doesn't care about music selling.. he is a musician. i think it is a musicial album with brave steps of musical expression.
Just like N.E.W.S...
see, if one is not a musician one seems to critique the way an album makes you feel, or the sound.. but for me..and only me.. i love when an artist just goes out of the boundaries! it's about musical growth. | |
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Classic thread! | |
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WOW, what a thread! I think I'll put Lovesexy on now.  ***************************************************
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rdhull said: Anji said: The message meant something deeply spiritual to Prince Bullshit...you actually buy that hokeyness? That this was put out instead of Black album because black album was "evil"? lol. and the hardcore masses resonate with feelings for their own personal experiences of how that very same message has lifted them.
Which is more bullshit...not you stating what you just did, but, the people who are all up in Lovesexys' message that you are stating..the reason being that the overall message of Lovesexy has been in Princes music from Controversy through SOTT. And obvioulsy only a few could see and feel that message without it being pandered to the audience through the silly, easy-way-out message of the Lovesexy album. Its almost as if Prince had run out of steam after SOTT (which he did because Lovesexy material could have and probably was done in his sleep..the music is so "easy" so to speak) and said "here is my message that I have been trying to get through to y'all for years...in a nice tidy easy to digest output". And you now the message was pandered and not even heartfelt but gimmicky because come now..did he really live his life that way..and did the others taken with the Lovesexy project? Stop this nonsense lol. This is what borders on fanaticism and craziness (even worse than namecheck) because its some Kingdom Hall, organized religion, Jerry Fallwell boolshit with everyone professing to the "fake inauthentic" message of Lovesexy just like the religious and political right wing folks that Princes music is NOT about. Lovesexy is the work and message of hypocrisy and those who are enraptured with the message are partly hypocritical as well. Take it for what it is..some Zappa-esque music experiment and the last real Prince album. And thats why its so revered..because it slammed the 80's shut, just like Let It Bleed did to the 60's. Only a year early and on a ten year anniversary. .. [This message was edited Mon Mar 10 8:23:19 PST 2003 by rdhull] THIS IS A SILLY RESPONSE!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!! | |
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...Dance on...Dance on...Everybody Dance on...
"Dance then, wherever you may be..." "A song from the heart beats the [darkest fear] anytime" "A dancer's soul is in his or her whole body" --------
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Lovesexy is a dream. TRC is the awakening. |
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I have a feelin, that we'll be sayin the samething about TRC, in retrospect...
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whodknee said: Lovesexy is a dream. TRC is the awakening.
If TRC is the awakening, I'd rather sleep. Better to dream joy than to live the bile and venom of Christianity. Oops, did I just say that out loud?  | |
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tackam said: whodknee said: Lovesexy is a dream. TRC is the awakening.
If TRC is the awakening, I'd rather sleep. Better to dream joy than to live the bile and venom of Christianity. | |
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Anji said: tackam said: whodknee said: Lovesexy is a dream. TRC is the awakening.
If TRC is the awakening, I'd rather sleep. Better to dream joy than to live the bile and venom of Christianity. Um, yes, because you know me so well? | |
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