Breaking the guys prize guitar was a real shithead move. I still buy his albums/downloads hoping for a gem or two but I have to say (being a guitar player) this last jackass move has me wondering if I should stop buying and enjoy what I've got. Total disrespect for others. There was a time when I was excited about a new album or tour but those days are disappearing. | |
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Wow,the guy who wrote this article must be a diehard fan He seems to know exactly what all the real fans go through....lol | |
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Not for nothing but did anyone stop to think Prince has a touch of Aspergers ? My son has that and sometimes is rude, but i know he doesn't mean it. Also , Gemini's (my mom being one ) can change their mood at the drop of a damn dime and very insecure . Although i say this it still don't excuse his behavior . But with Prince being so hard on his bandmates, etc... it made them even better musicians ( not discrediting their talent) . Being that his father was harsh with critiqueing his music , Prince did the same to others .
I've been an admirer of Prince's talent since i was 4 y.o (1979 ) [Edited 3/14/13 20:55pm] | |
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As a 30 plus year prince fan i would like to say a couple things about Prince's 'dickish' behavior.
I'm trying to find the right words but I'm having a hard time...I guess ill just be blunt.
Prince the musician(and human being) has been an important part of my life for many years but the fact of the matter is on an individual level me and most of us on the Org probably don't mean much to the guy. Most of us have never spent any at length time with Prince so as individuals he doesn't even know we exist. I'm sure prince has an general appreciation for his fans but when it comes down to it, were just strangers to him and on a certain level he's a stranger to us.
What I'm trying to say is Prince probably doesn't care how we feel or what we expect of him. He probably doesn't give two fucks about a stranger thinking he's acting like a dick. If the shoe was on the other foot would you?
Now having said all of that, i want to say this...
My personal feelings are, a lot of Prince's actions towards his fans and former band members speak louder than his words. Meaning prince seems to talk a good talk but when the rubber meets the road, he doesn't always live up to his love God, love people theme. He may love us from afar but when it comes to personal interaction, it seems like he can sometimes be cruel and treat people like shit.
Anyway what some of us prince fans may think is one thing but the way he's been rumored to have treated some of his former band members and the people he's worked with is a totally different monster. I understand that very few situations are one sided but when you have more than a couple close associates saying things of the same nature, i think that says more about prince that what us fans may say.
Personally i just don't get the excessive hostility, disregard, wanting to control, and general cruelness that Prince exhibits towards some of the people that were with him from the beginning. It just doesn't seem right.
With them as with us(his fans), it seems like Prince is directing his own personal issues on the people that least deserve it. Whatever negatives that Prince may feel about his life weren't caused by us fans and I'm sure they weren't caused by his former band members either . To finish up my rant i would just say that i still appreciate prince immensely but i believe that because of the way he sometimes act's he's alienating his fans and some of the people that were close to him. If he doesn't care about that then cool.
Peace
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OMG, I dated someone with Asperbergers!! It was never diagnosed, but I'm 100% certain he had asperbergers. It makes a person very self-centered and paranoid, and they compensate for this threw a few tricks--politeness, learning to say stereotypical 'nice compliments' to folks, etc. But, they're behavior is anything but what they say, if you really pay attention. This person was ALWAYS late to things even when there was no reason to be. I observed him lie to almost everybody we mutually knew, and it didn't even seem to bother him that he was lying. What bothered him was the potential of being caught in his lies--but not the lying itself.
I'm not sure if Prince has Aspbergers, because this isn't something you just see from t.v. appearances, etc. You actually have to spend time with a person. People with this condition REALLY need to get help. They're in danger of dying alone. Prince seems more isolated now, even with his supposed female company each year, than he was when he was with Mayte. I don't see this changing. | |
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What, no Prince apologists yet? I'm shocked! | |
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I haven't walked in his shoes but I wouldn't take advantage of my fans and I wouldn't abuse my position as a great musician by being such a hollow-hearted, deceptive, and hypocritical person.
I think Prince clearly takes people's kindness for weakness, knowing full well many who meet him are fans so they accept his arrogant, immature, inconsiderate, and rude behavior because they idolize him.
Each year Prince picks who he will use, or I should say who he thinks deserves to be rewarded and given the chance to meet him or see him perform live. It's usually a person who wouldn’t dare say no to him if he asked them for something. It will most likely be a person who will be good at keeping secrets he'll want them to keep, and someone who will do as he tells them to do, otherwise he will take away everything and no longer show them favor, especially publically.
In my opinion what Prince is doing for Eyejester7 is not being done out of the kindness of his heart. It's simply to help serve the current needs of Prince and help him gain back favor. Some fans who make excuses for Prince's "dickish" behavior don't see how Prince contributes to the negativity because they love the guy's music and they think if they post glowing, positive comments about all the self-serving things he does Prince will reward them in some way. Eyejester 7 seems like a very positive, articulate, and all around nice guy but if him or anyone else doesn't see how Prince is the type of person who expects to get things for free and they won't admit Prince does things to knock/shut people down then they just don't want to admit he takes advantage of his position and uses people like he's a driver and they're his screws. It's okay but I still think it's wrong the way Prince seeks publicity from young naive girls and guys with big dreams but little hope, and only shows them favor so other fans can go aaaaawwwww, Prince is such a good person for giving them the opportunity to shine. What they usually find out later, after the people around Prince get tired of saying yes and/or finally see his true colors, the relationship ends. There is usually no happy endings.
He's been doing promo business like this since the Under The Cherry Moon premiere but Prince should realize some people love his music and know he's not a nice, uplifting person. He's only nice and uplifting to those benefiting from the favortism he will show them by allowing them to be associated with him. Some of us realize Prince does nice things for others mostly when he's trying to sell something. He's been up on his high horse for too long but some people can still see his true colors. Not everyone is hoping to receive some reward from Prince. [Edited 3/15/13 8:28am] | |
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Everybody knows Miss Prince thinks she's Alexis Carrington. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Wow, good stuff.
Rest in Peace Bettie Boo. See u soon. | |
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SchlomoThaHomo said: I'd never seen the Jessie interview they linked to before. Pretty cool stories about life with Prince. Interesting that he referred to it as "hell."
LoL...Who had the handcuffs? | |
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I just wanna see him "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0 | |
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It amused me to read that Prince got some of his clothes from the Nordstrom's boy's department. Even more amusing to watch the video with Kevin Smith saying it and the audience reaction. I've wondered about this myself, and when I read it... of course, the boy's department.
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I know next to nothing about Aspergers, but it sounds a lot like sociopathic behavior. Of course, I don't know if that applies to Prince. He could simply be spoiled by his celebrity, still damaged by his childhood or suffering from a Napoleon complex, perhaps even a combination of the three. Or maybe he's just a plain ol' jerk. | |
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this stuff makes me laugh...they shit on him ...and still love him all the while | |
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NO, definately not sociapathic. I mean, not the way I think of a sociapath. A person with Asperbers becomes emotional during sad movies, falls in love with other people, desperately wants to be accepted by others, and so forth. A sociapath doesn't.
They're not bad people. Indeed this person charms the socks off of others because he's learned how to say the right things, and make the right gestures, etc. But, in all things they are at the center and constantly trying to find their way into 'connecting' with others. They just never actually do. It's not quite at the level of authism, but being able to spot it helps a person understand why they think, say and feel some of the things they do.
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I got a story of (officially) undiagnosed light aspergers in my family and I can tell you, asperger/autistic people are all different. It's possible that P has some traits (being obsessive with music the way he is is surely a red flag), and aspergers can be really good in the things they're obsessed with... Many geniuses had some traits. Doesn't mean you necessarily are justified in acting like a jerk or something but yes, it does make it hard on the social side. And believe me, you can never really overcome that.
That said, being incredibly rich and under a spotlight for most of your life surely changes the way you look at reality, and I think it can make it hard to understand other people's point of view. It makes you quite isolated, and you feel probably people expectations to a point where you can't simply do what you want to do regardless of what anyone thinks... Not a good thing for an artist. He's been considered a genius, adored, or hated, for so many years now, and sometimes I think it's just a miracle if he's not plainly MAD (especially if he's an Aspie). After all, I think many other artist in similar situation are quite weird, or have issues of different kind.
Not to justify the dickish moments here, but here he is, we all know the way he does behave sometimes, and I'm keen to accept people as they are or just walk away. Take it or leave it, I guess. | |
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You are so wrong for that avatar. I stared at it for like 5 minutes before realizing what it is. I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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That sounds a lot like how Prince sometimes treats his fans. He says he loves them and yet he's been known to shit on them.
Either way, as fans we all have a choice to listen to the guys music or not. Prince says he doesn't care if people dig his music(i don't believe him) so apparently it would be no big loss if he lost fans. Also Prince is not the be all, end all of music.
He's one of the best but he's not the only one.
Anyways i can't speak for others but my intentions aren't to bash prince. As i said before. I'm a 30 plus year admirer of prince but for the most part i long ago ceased caring about what the guy does or doesn't do in his personal life.
I guess what it comes down to is prince is a flawed human that makes great music. No more no less.
Peace.
[Edited 3/16/13 17:25pm] Rest in Peace Bettie Boo. See u soon. | |
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Where's that cartoon gif of Prince's face growing meaner? This thread needs that "Do you really know what love is?" | |
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Yes the mercurial Prince, he has made some huge PR booboos, but this article declares open season on him, people have choices, the Time and Mazarati would not be known without Prince, they should have known, that yes Prince's talent and his connections could help your career, but he exacts a fee, that being management and manipulation. So what! I would have that rather than nothing.
You can consciously decide not to join his internet sites and believe his logic. He's a musician not the arbiter of your life.
Yes he's made some cock ups, but he's also made some of the greatest music ever, the man is a musical genius and all his sins are forgiven by me just for that, without Prince's music in my life it would be a lot more dull.
The authors only grudgingly acknowledge Prince's raw talent in the last paragraph.
And as for him banning and shutting shit down, when this is was it is, I would be trying to shut it down too. [Edited 3/19/13 1:59am] Got some kind of love for you, and I don't even know your name | |
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The point is is that we still love him. We all know its true, don't try to deny it. Even when he's a jerk which we all kno he can b. so just give it up guys, he's always done what he wants and he probably always will..and he doesn't care what people think about him... and I don't kno about u guys but I kinda like that about him. Don't need no reefer, don't need cocaine
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Prince, you can go after youtube all you like, because there are several easily found sites where I can see most videos, listen to most bootleg songs, and no, I will not tell a soul here, because I too am dickish.lol
Don't forget how he fired Wendy and Lisa and how he dumped Mayte because she would not convert.
Other special moments:
During We Are The World in 1990, sucking on a lollipop.
Making a big deal about the Emancipation concert than showing up with most of it being backing tracks, not live.
He kinda forgot all about Mavis Staples and Tamar.
He knows we want the best outtakes but refuses to release them.
Doesn't go to his own Mother and Father's funeral.
Didn't go to Boni Boyer's funeral, even though she died broke.
All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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Double post edit.
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I reply to your argument. And your argument is based on the assumption that Prince sabotaged some members of The Time, because he feared the competition.
I don't know if that was what Prince did.
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You downplay that as "Not particularly nice behaviour?" And you even defend it?
Your stand on this one shocks me.
You think (and act accordingly?) that if you want to make a career for youself, it's okay to sabotage your competition?
I think that is the lowest of the lowest of the lowest behaviour.
And it's exactly that kind of behaviour that causes most pain and misery in humanity.
Because if nobody would be Anti Social like that, these people would not be able to make a career. So, the people who deserve it, would be in leading positions.
And the world would be a better place.
Unfortunately, because of this kind of anti social behaviour, the good ones get crushed and will never be able to serve us by using their talents. And those without a talent and no conscious will make a career, take up the leading positions and become the decision makers.
Unfortunately, these anti social people don't make the right decisions. They lack consiciouss, intellect and talent to serve humanity rightly.
It's exactly this phenomenon that causes humanity to suffer.
The bad that screw the good people, just for their own gain.
I really don't understand how you can aprove this kind of anti social behaviour.
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Interesting theory. Why do you think Prince can't be a sociapath?
I would not exclude the possibility.
Mind you, there are a lot of sociapaths that are not recognized as such. People still think of Silence of the Lambs, but that is a false image of a sociopath, because it focusses on the killing. It's a stereotype of a not very smart sociopath.
Most sociapaths don't kill, because there is much more fun in psychological sadism. THe victims suffer more than when you kill them.
It''s like cats that like to play with wounded mice. Cats get bored when the mouse dies.
Psychopaths love to witness suffering, and psychological abuse will serve them better.
Killers or conduct offenders are merely the lesser sociapaths. The sociapaths that are smarter and more sadistic are the well adjusted, friendly, rich men in a suit. He will act as if he's in love, or show emotion, and therefore other will interpret that as if they experience that. But in reality they really dont.
People with Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD) desperately want the approval of others.
They have never experience love, because they are not capable of it. They don't understand love.
But they sure do want to be adored and worshipped. That is their main purpose in life.
- APD can't experience true love. He also does not feel shame, guilt, remorse. He has no conscience. They notice that the people who experience love are happy. APD wants that happy feeling. He thinks he is entitled to feel happy all day, every day of his life. APD falsely think adorations is the same thing as love. So, the want adoration because they falsely assume that makes them happy.
- APD can't understand that people differ. He thinks that everybody is like him and strives for the same things he does. He sees them as a threat to get what he wants. He simply lacks the capability to realize that somebody else does not feel/want/think the same as he does. He thinks all humans are competing with eachother. Therefore he anticipates that all other people are out to get him. Because APD assumes that all people want money and fame for the illusion of unassailability.
Whereas more healthy people, know that different people have different needs and strengths. They consider other people as complementary not as competition. And they know that money, fame or power is not the same as love or happiness. Being vulnerable is part of life and they accept that.
- In the reality of APD, people have the same motivations, feelings and strategies as him. And because he thinks that adorations is the same as love, he things everybody wants to be adored, famous or known. To him, other people are hostile competitors for adoration and he treats them accordingly.
Whereas healthy people can feel true love and know that competing for love is a contradicitio intermino. They aproach other people with an open mind and are curious about them. They don't compete with them for adoration.
- APD has a very low tolerance for frustration. He is incapable handling any discomfort or true emotions. So, his sole aim is to make sure he does not have to endure any discomfort. That is one of the reasons why APD desires to be extremely rich. They think that money will prevent them from having to endure any discomfort. Of course, they will never feel satisfied, because the whole range of emotions and sensations make us humans.
Healthy people are not afraid to feel the so called negative emotions. They know and accept that discomfort, trouble, dissapointment, not getting your needs met are normal experiences that everybody has. That's life, deal with it. They can apreciate the abundance and beauty of life in stead of feeling agression because they don't feel or get exactly what they want when they want it.
- APD feels aggression and anger when he experiences even the slightest vulnerability. Other people can make him feel vulnerable. Therefore, he gets very aggressive and angry towards these people. In order to avoid vulnerability or any other pain, APD wants to exceed power and control over these people. So, they can't hurt him.
Because he lacks empathy, conscience, shame, remorse etcetera, he will not hesitate to manipulate, lie and deceit people in order to gain power over them. He will use any trick he can think of in order to drive the behavior of those around him. So he feels unassailable.
Obviously there are various types of Anti Social Personality Disorder and there is a very high overlap and comorbidity with other (Personality) Disorders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder#Comorbidity
Obviously, it's not possible to make any valid statement about Prince his psyche, because we don't know him, nor did any diagnostic tests on him.
But I wouldn't exclude it as a possibilty. APD is not rare. It's pretty common in the top.
But, only people with a certain type of personality will be able to be very rich or famous or hold powerfull positions.
I think that positions as being famous (movie) star, a political or religious leader, or a CEO of a vital business, and other high profile job all entail the catch-22.
Description of catch-22:
A person who has the profile to master the job, will decline the job, because he understands what it entails and what the consequences are.
The people who are not competent for the job, will strive for the job. And get it. Because the ones who can master the job refuse it, or simply get crushed by the incompetent ones.
Why would you think Asperger is more likely than APD as an explanation for Prince his Dickish moments?
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Disclaimer:
I'm not saying Prince has a Antisocial Personality Disorder.
I'm not capable of making any valid statement about Prince for that matter.
It's just a post for discussion argument, not to be interpreted as the truth or as a statement about him.
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