babynoz said:

Ottie posted some factual info about this a few weeks ago...

http://new.prince.org/msg...?&pg=1

I fixed the link for you.

purplethunder3121 said:

Adorecream said:

Actually he may be biracial like most African Americans as the National Geographic geo nome survey showed the average Afriocan American is 18 % European DNA, 77% Sub saharan African and 5% other (Usually Asian or Native American).

All true, African Americans have moved a genetic distance from their African ancestors, the last authenticated slave ship to arrive in the USA was in 1859, so all African Americans will have at least 150 years or 6 or 7 generations to gain this non African DNA in their make up.

Of course I do not mean recent African migrants or West Indian Black Americans.

Well, what will top all of that is that genetics prove that ALL OF US HUMANS originated from Africa... This percentage shit needs to stop...

I agree, this shit is getting OLD.

Timmy84 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Well, what will top all of that is that genetics prove that ALL OF US HUMANS originated from Africa... This percentage shit needs to stop...

I agree, this shit is getting OLD.

Yes, human genes certainly are old.

And I don't think there is anything wrong with me, just because I have a white skin.

Right.

So, now that we agreed on stupidity of that obession to categorize people in races, can we focus back to the subject, please?

How accurate is the info in this book about Prince?

I did not read it.

Anybody over here who did read it?

How did Prince perceive, how his skin colour has influenced his carreer?

In the start of his career, the people in power position in both business and governement were white men. And a lot of prejudices about people of different races were rampant back then.

The editorial review states:

" Prince does elaborate on the entertainer's struggles with race. "

What kind of struggles does that refer to? And does anybody know his thoughts and feelings about it nowadays?

Is his new hairstyle a statement from him? Or is he just following the trend, because it's currently a hip hairstyle?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Emancipation89 said:

And you're green and I'm orange?

Prince IS black. It'd be nice if everyone could just accept and embrace who he is one day and move on.

Yes I'm green

Prince is Prince, is beyond that unnatural racial code

everyone needs to embrace the fact that racial codes are not natural, and move on from that archaic system, created by a racist

It may be just a racial code to you but being black in the US is also a cultural identity that NEEDS to be acknowledged & embraced, especially for someone who's achieved as much as Prince and if you don't understand why you might want to study American history a bit.

I know it's fun to joke around and he can be purple all you want but saying he is not black is a bit much.

Emancipation89 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes I'm green

Prince is Prince, is beyond that unnatural racial code

everyone needs to embrace the fact that racial codes are not natural, and move on from that archaic system, created by a racist

It may be just a racial code to you but being black in the US is also a cultural identity that NEEDS to be acknowledged & embraced, especially for someone who's achieved as much as Prince and if you don't understand why you might want to study American history a bit.

I know it's fun to joke around and he can be purple all you want but saying he is not black is a bit much.

No worries.

This thread inspired me to start a complain against the Hairdresser education in Holland.

I thought about it, but after reading and thinking about this thread, I actually did it.

dJJ said:

So, now that we agreed on stupidity of that obession to categorize people in races, can we focus back to the subject, please?

How accurate is the info in this book about Prince?

It's funny because I posted that last sentence in the OP as a cheeky joke, because based on the premise that the book chronicles a 'bi-racial' artist like Prince, I think the book was discredited from the front cover alone!

I for some reason thought someone would 'get' the humor of my question. Not, think that I was percipitating a long ago discredited assertion.

I guess I should have been more clear with one statement that I omitted from the original post, but wanted to pose here: How does a book reach the point of publication but get such a fundlementaly easy to answer question wrong? I mean, it's almost Donald Trump 'birth certificate' wrong.

This is what I just officially complained about:

I'm blessed to have recently moved to a very diverse neighbourhood.

I always had some small talk with a black girl when she strolled by with her kids.

So, she begged me to help her mother out.

Her mother is a student at the hair dressers academy.

And in order to obtain her certificate, she has needs human models.

So, I went with her and she got me a perm for extra volume.

However, because she failed to bring a model before, she was denied the certificate.

So, I just filed a complaint at the bureau for discrimination.

A pretty well known institute in Holland.

The Dutch are so overly organised, that even filing complaints about discrimination is well organised

So, my complaint is that the curriculum at the hairdresser academy only consists of cutting and treating hair that is the white people's type of hair.

Because white people have more white people in their social environment (family) it's easier for them to arrange models that they can bring along.

Moreover, there are no lessons about cutting and treating African or Asian hair.

If that would be part of the curicculum, than the white and black students both would have equal trouble finding models that are needed for the lessons and exams.

Emancipation89 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes I'm green

Prince is Prince, is beyond that unnatural racial code

everyone needs to embrace the fact that racial codes are not natural, and move on from that archaic system, created by a racist

It may be just a racial code to you but being black in the US is also a cultural identity that NEEDS to be acknowledged & embraced, especially for someone who's achieved as much as Prince and if you don't understand why you might want to study American history a bit.

I know it's fun to joke around and he can be purple all you want but saying he is not black is a bit much.

I agree that ignorance is a choice and there for an attitude that one should be hold accountable for.

When I was studying Psychology in Holland, there was no class about cultural diversity in both diagnosis nor treatment.

So, I signed up as an exchange student and went to New York University to attend "Cross cultural Counselling" and "Inter Cultural Communication".

Being in a very different culture when doing these courses, made it extra interesting.

And I learned a lot.

I will allways be very, very, very grateful that Professor Mc Rea allowed her in her class. Especially because of the waiting list for it. Because I was European, and she figured I could add some extra diversity to the group. And she was not wrong about that.

That course still is my most cherished course.

And I do thing there have been a lot of changes, and I agree that people still need to get over their ignorance. Both White and Black people.

Same goes for gender.

I think people are very ignorant when it comes to discrimination of women. And I hope that phenomenon will get as much attention as the racial discrimination.

dJJ said:

Timmy84 said:

I agree, this shit is getting OLD.

Yes, human genes certainly are old.

And I don't think there is anything wrong with me, just because I have a white skin.

Right.

So, now that we agreed on stupidity of that obession to categorize people in races, can we focus back to the subject, please?

How accurate is the info in this book about Prince?

I did not read it.

Anybody over here who did read it?

How did Prince perceive, how his skin colour has influenced his carreer?

In the start of his career, the people in power position in both business and governement were white men. And a lot of prejudices about people of different races were rampant back then.

The editorial review states:

" Prince does elaborate on the entertainer's struggles with race. "

What kind of struggles does that refer to? And does anybody know his thoughts and feelings about it nowadays?

Is his new hairstyle a statement from him? Or is he just following the trend, because it's currently a hip hairstyle?

Uh...lol

imago said:

dJJ said:

So, now that we agreed on stupidity of that obession to categorize people in races, can we focus back to the subject, please?

How accurate is the info in this book about Prince?

It's funny because I posted that last sentence in the OP as a cheeky joke, because based on the premise that the book chronicles a 'bi-racial' artist like Prince, I think the book was discredited from the front cover alone!

I for some reason thought someone would 'get' the humor of my question. Not, think that I was percipitating a long ago discredited assertion.

I guess I should have been more clear with one statement that I omitted from the original post, but wanted to pose here: How does a book reach the point of publication but get such a fundlementaly easy to answer question wrong? I mean, it's almost Donald Trump 'birth certificate' wrong.

You expect humour around here?

I did overrate you!

Emancipation89 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes I'm green

Prince is Prince, is beyond that unnatural racial code

everyone needs to embrace the fact that racial codes are not natural, and move on from that archaic system, created by a racist

It may be just a racial code to you but being black in the US is also a cultural identity that NEEDS to be acknowledged & embraced, especially for someone who's achieved as much as Prince and if you don't understand why you might want to study American history a bit.

I know it's fun to joke around and he can be purple all you want but saying he is not black is a bit much.

Veered Off Topic:

lighten up
I understand African-American cultural diversity in America

Black & White are still social constructions, and sometimes a contradiction.

What defines that? What if a 'black' person doesn't have those cultural connections? Are they then just American? who defines who and what is black culture. Do we do a disservice by saying black culture since there is no 1 specific black culture nor 1 community. Should we find specifics of culture to identify for example:the culture of African descendant people in Mississippi vs in California. Do people outside of the states view americans by race or nationality.

The thing that is different from 'African-Americans' vs say Jamaicans, is that Jamaican is the 'nationality' as well as culture, it's not necessarily 'black' but Jamaican.

If a 'white' person is everything culturally 'black' are they Black too?

Prince has the freedom, just like you and anyone else to exist, without having to label himself or be labelled. He doesn't belong to you me or anyone. The same with you.

I think it was VioletBlue, that created a thread on the ups and downs of tradition culture etc

and expectations or accusations of someone, not being black enough or acting white.

I've studied American history in general from many different avenues, as well as the descendants of African slaves from the transAtlantic slave trade till now. So I did much more than a BIT

My saying Prince is Prince, that he's Purple, means certain people especially celebrities tend to go beyond people viewing them racially. hell Prince created his own sub culture. MJ was also one (and not because he changed his look)

Prince is American of Midwestern cultural influences, including those that translate from his fathers background(creole) and his mothers(multiracial)

When Prince & the Revolution won Favorite BLACK album:Purple Rain. Was it really?

When they also in the same night won Favorite POP album:Purple Rain. Was it really,

Prince won Favorite Black single:When Doves Cry was it really (because I haven't heard anything like that from anyone) Purple Music!!

Prince in 1981 said "Am I black or white... Controversy"

Prince in 2011 said to an interviewer when commented on as being a black artist(?) stretches out his arm, puts it next to hers and asks "Am I?" and she responds how he was whiter than she was.

Prince has always challenged labels or race

1999 just came on the radio

OldFriends4Sale said:

1999 just came on the radio

smoothcriminal12 said:

People still believe this "P is biracial" shit?

It's crazy,isn't it? The madness never ends.I'll never forget something that a friend told me one time.We were discussing Prince and my friend,who is white,actually said "I can't believe how many people think Prince is black,just because of the way he dances"

Prince played alot of games with his race,in the early years...which is why there is still so much confusion,to this day.

SoulAlive said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

People still believe this "P is biracial" shit?

It's crazy,isn't it? The madness never ends.I'll never forget something that a friend told me one time.We were discussing Prince and my friend,who is white,actually said "I can't believe how many people think Prince is black,just because of the way he dances"

Prince played alot of games with his race,in the early years...which is why there is still so much confusion,to this day.

I think most people who think he is white think so on their own accord and not even because of what Prince used to say in interviews back in the day. The folks now who think he is white who dont even know about the racial games he played in interviews.

imago said:

dJJ said:

So, now that we agreed on stupidity of that obession to categorize people in races, can we focus back to the subject, please?

How accurate is the info in this book about Prince?

It's funny because I posted that last sentence in the OP as a cheeky joke, because based on the premise that the book chronicles a 'bi-racial' artist like Prince, I think the book was discredited from the front cover alone!

I for some reason thought someone would 'get' the humor of my question. Not, think that I was percipitating a long ago discredited assertion.

I guess I should have been more clear with one statement that I omitted from the original post, but wanted to pose here: How does a book reach the point of publication but get such a fundlementaly easy to answer question wrong? I mean, it's almost Donald Trump 'birth certificate' wrong.

I can see how people who haven't kept up with Prince over the years would think he's biracial. What I can't see, is how people could think he's straight.

rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

It's crazy,isn't it? The madness never ends.I'll never forget something that a friend told me one time.We were discussing Prince and my friend,who is white,actually said "I can't believe how many people think Prince is black,just because of the way he dances"

Prince played alot of games with his race,in the early years...which is why there is still so much confusion,to this day.

I think most people who think he is white think so on their own accord and not even because of what Prince used to say in interviews back in the day. The folks now who think he is white who dont even know about the racial games he played in interviews.

I thought he was biracial all the way up until the late 1990s when I finally saw a picture of his mother.

rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

It's crazy,isn't it? The madness never ends.I'll never forget something that a friend told me one time.We were discussing Prince and my friend,who is white,actually said "I can't believe how many people think Prince is black,just because of the way he dances"

Prince played alot of games with his race,in the early years...which is why there is still so much confusion,to this day.

I think most people who think he is white think so on their own accord and not even because of what Prince used to say in interviews back in the day. The folks now who think he is white who dont even know about the racial games he played in interviews.

Who said Prince is White and who said he is black?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Emancipation89 said:

It may be just a racial code to you but being black in the US is also a cultural identity that NEEDS to be acknowledged & embraced, especially for someone who's achieved as much as Prince and if you don't understand why you might want to study American history a bit.

I know it's fun to joke around and he can be purple all you want but saying he is not black is a bit much.

Veered Off Topic:
I understand African-American cultural diversity in America

Black & White are still social constructions, and at times contradictions.

What defines that? What if a 'black' person doesn't have those cultural connections? Are they then just American? who defines who and what is black culture. Do we do a disservice by saying black culture since there is no 1 specific black culture nor 1 community. Should we find specifics of culture to identify say the culture of African descendant people in Missippi vs in California. Do people outside of the states view americans by race or nationality.

The thing that is different from 'African-Americans' vs say Jamaicans, is that Jamaican is the 'nationality' as well as culture, it's not necessarily 'black' but Jamaican.

If a 'white' person is everything culturally 'black' are they Black too?

Prince has the freedom, just like you and anyone else to exist, without having to label himself or be labelled. He doesn't belong to you me or anyone. The same with you.

I think it was VioletBlue, that created a thread on the ups and downs of tradition culture etc

I've studied American history in general from many different avenues, as well as the descendants of African slaves from the transAtlantic slave trade till now. So I did much more than a BIT

My saying Prince is Prince, that he's Purple, means certain people especially celebrities tend to go beyond people viewing them racially. hell Prince created his own sub culture. MJ was also one (and not because he changed his look)

Prince is American of Midwestern cultural influences, including those that translate from his fathers background(creole) and his mothers(multiracial)

When Prince & the Revolution won Favorite BLACK album:Purple Rain. Was it really?

When they also in the same night won Favorite POP album:Purple Rain. Was it really,

Prince won Favorite Black single:When Doves Cry was it really (because I haven't heard anything like that from anyone) Purple Music!!

Prince in 1981 said "Am I black or white... Controversy"

Prince in 2011 said to an interviewer when commented on as being a black artist(?) stretches out his arm, puts it next to hers and asks "Am I" and she responds how he was whiter than she was.

Prince has always challenged labels or race

1999 just came on the radio

Great post.

I also think there are a lot of terms that mean different things to different people.

There is the category of race.

There is the phenomenon of discrimination. As in black poeple attribute (negative) characteristics to a person because that person is white and vice versa.

There is the identification with a sub culture that is centred around a race.

There is the racial mixing.

There is nationality and the races that are associated with these nationalities.

There is Prince who people want to categorise in the abovementioned unclear defined categories.

imago said:

Has anyone read this?

http://www.barnesandnoble...1422216286

It's a biography series specializing in notable biracials.

I wonder how accurate this biography might be.

Bad thread, bad idea to start it like this.

Adorecream said:

Marrk said:

I heard he was part Welsh. poor bastard.

I could see it now, Prince Gareth Evans or Prince Price Williams!!

Nah, it's Prince Jones The-Milkman.

Tremolina said:

imago said:

Has anyone read this?

http://www.barnesandnoble...1422216286

It's a biography series specializing in notable biracials.

I wonder how accurate this biography might be.

Bad thread, bad idea to start it like this.

Nice pic though.

dJJ said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Veered Off Topic:
I understand African-American cultural diversity in America

Black & White are still social constructions, and at times contradictions.

What defines that? What if a 'black' person doesn't have those cultural connections? Are they then just American? who defines who and what is black culture. Do we do a disservice by saying black culture since there is no 1 specific black culture nor 1 community. Should we find specifics of culture to identify say the culture of African descendant people in Missippi vs in California. Do people outside of the states view americans by race or nationality.

The thing that is different from 'African-Americans' vs say Jamaicans, is that Jamaican is the 'nationality' as well as culture, it's not necessarily 'black' but Jamaican.

If a 'white' person is everything culturally 'black' are they Black too?

Prince has the freedom, just like you and anyone else to exist, without having to label himself or be labelled. He doesn't belong to you me or anyone. The same with you.

I think it was VioletBlue, that created a thread on the ups and downs of tradition culture etc

I've studied American history in general from many different avenues, as well as the descendants of African slaves from the transAtlantic slave trade till now. So I did much more than a BIT

My saying Prince is Prince, that he's Purple, means certain people especially celebrities tend to go beyond people viewing them racially. hell Prince created his own sub culture. MJ was also one (and not because he changed his look)

Prince is American of Midwestern cultural influences, including those that translate from his fathers background(creole) and his mothers(multiracial)

When Prince & the Revolution won Favorite BLACK album:Purple Rain. Was it really?

When they also in the same night won Favorite POP album:Purple Rain. Was it really,

Prince won Favorite Black single:When Doves Cry was it really (because I haven't heard anything like that from anyone) Purple Music!!

Prince in 1981 said "Am I black or white... Controversy"

Prince in 2011 said to an interviewer when commented on as being a black artist(?) stretches out his arm, puts it next to hers and asks "Am I" and she responds how he was whiter than she was.

Prince has always challenged labels or race

1999 just came on the radio

Great post.

I also think there are a lot of terms that mean different things to different people.

There is the category of race.

There is the phenomenon of discrimination. As in black poeple attribute (negative) characteristics to a person because that person is white and vice versa.

There is the identification with a sub culture that is centred around a race.

There is the racial mixing.

There is nationality and the races that are associated with these nationalities.

There is Prince who people want to categorise in the abovementioned unclear defined categories.

The thing I've always enjoyed about Prince is that he's always messed around with ambiguity ethnically, racially. The foundation of Prince's scene was based on blurring the lines

ConsciousContact said:

Tremolina said:

Bad thread, bad idea to start it like this.

Nice pic though.

That it is.

Wow and you're a moderator on this site? To say Prince isn't black when he is is disrespectful and to say that he's "purple" just because he has refrenced the color in the past is...damn. I know it may pain you and some other folks on here but deal with it, P is black. Just like Andre Cymone and Morris Day who in Morris's case, is actually naurally "lighter" than Prince is but A.C. and Morris never claimed this mixed thing either. Why? Because they weren't. And neither is Prince. He's a lil color struck perhaps but he's not bi-racial. Sorry to burst the purple ballons up in here...lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince is Prince, he's rainbow, he ain't black or white, he's Purple

^ NVM...

[Edited 3/7/13 15:37pm]

mzspongebob said:

"On the back cover of the book, it says, "Prince, son of a black father and a white mother." Then in the actual text of the book, it says Prince's father is black and mother is multiracial. I think they lied on the back cover to get those who wish Prince was at least 50% white to buy their product.
Many may remember in "Under a Cherry Moon" when Prince called Jerome "chocolate," but himself "butterscotch." However, that's because Prince is LIGHT-SKIN'DED. Prince ain't Mariah or Halle or Obama. He is plain, ol' Black just like me and most Black folk!
What this book doesn't cover is that Prince LIED about this multiraciality. Some say Prince claims to be part Italian. However, many magazines and documentaries have shown photos of his parents and stress that Prince has two Black parents who wouldn't be deemed anything besides Black in the United States. I know some Filipino Americans who said Prince was part Filipino and that's hogwash too. Prince may chant about "I wish there was no Black or white," but that doesn't mean he's neither. The book could have touched on something that it didn't: Prince has a romantic preference for mixed-race women.
To be fair, the book doesn't say "biracial this" and "biracial that" on every other page. It speaks about his childhood, start in music, hits, and misses. Surprisingly, there's only one page at most about "Purple Rain," the soundtrack or the film.
Like the Beyonce book in this series, these bookmakers have reversed things and somehow deemed that any Black person with one drop of white blood is biracial. On "African American Lives 2," dark-complected Don Cheadle learned that he's 20% white. Is this Biracial Achievers series gonna include him too one day?! Gimme a break!"

^^^^a review posted on the book from amazon. com.......this guy was just trying to sell books obviously FOH.

prince is definitely NOT bi-racial. his parents are african american. however, they are indeed multi-racial. the truth of them being african american does not exclude everthing else. that is up to each individual person to decide.

SoulAlive said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

People still believe this "P is biracial" shit?

It's crazy,isn't it? The madness never ends.I'll never forget something that a friend told me one time.We were discussing Prince and my friend,who is white,actually said "I can't believe how many people think Prince is black,just because of the way he dances"

Prince played alot of games with his race,in the early years...which is why there is still so much confusion,to this day.

Yeah...it's kinda funny to hear tbh...people get surprised when I say that P is fully black.

blackunicorn said:

Wow and you're a moderator on this site? To say Prince isn't black when he is is disrespectful and to say that he's "purple" just because he has refrenced the color in the past is...damn. I know it may pain you and some other folks on here but deal with it, P is black. Just like Andre Cymone and Morris Day who in Morris's case, is actually naurally "lighter" than Prince is but A.C. and Morris never claimed this mixed thing either. Why? Because they weren't. And neither is Prince. He's a lil color struck perhaps but he's not bi-racial. Sorry to burst the purple ballons up in here...lol

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince is Prince, he's rainbow, he ain't black or white, he's Purple

congratulations on making the most ignorant post in this thread.

smoothcriminal12 said:

SoulAlive said:

It's crazy,isn't it? The madness never ends.I'll never forget something that a friend told me one time.We were discussing Prince and my friend,who is white,actually said "I can't believe how many people think Prince is black,just because of the way he dances"

Prince played alot of games with his race,in the early years...which is why there is still so much confusion,to this day.

Yeah...it's kinda funny to hear tbh...people get surprised when I say that P is fully black.

You folks really have NO IDEA how much your argument is the same side of the same IGNORANT coin.

Tremolina said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Yeah...it's kinda funny to hear tbh...people get surprised when I say that P is fully black.

You folks really have NO IDEA how much your argument is the same side of the same IGNORANT coin.

What argument? I think you're talking to the wrong person.