HonestMan13 said:

bashraka said:

C.J.: Immature Prince treats borrowed guitar like his own before tossing it

Article by: C.J. , Star Tribune

Updated: March 4, 2013 - 10:16 PM

Reports of the maturation of Prince are grossly premature after he hurled a guitar he didn’t own to the floor before marching off “The Jimmy Fallon Show” stage Friday.

How will this rock ’n’ roll child ever learn what is acceptable behavior if nobody tells him?

Well, the man who owned the guitar is trying. Roots guitarist Kirk Douglas, known on Twitter as @CaptainKDouglas, tweeted: “Maybe it’s because I’m a dad, but I think framing the guitar is a little like rewarding bad behavior.”

Capt. Kirk gets it!

Among those who didn’t are most of those quoted at the website Muck Rack. Under the headline “What journalists are sayi...ut #prince,” there was ample Twitter recitation of the basic info.

“#Prince borrows guitar, uses during @LateNightJimmy show, refuses to autograph, THEN slams it to floor in the end! #rockgodstatus,” wrote @blackthought.

On Muck Rack I found only a single tweet that might be considered even mildly critical of Symbolina’s outlandishly rude behavior: “I feel bad for Capt. Kirk’s guitar,” tweeted Dan DeLuca, the Philadelphia Inquirer’s pop music critic.

Of course, Capt. Kirk must not know much about Prince to have thought that Symbolina would ever autograph the instrument. Only place I’ve ever seen Symbolina’s autograph was on a court document.

While thinking Prince would autograph the instrument was silly, if it’s true, Capt. Kirk was naive not to know that when you give an instrument to a child — of the regular or petulant rock ’n’ roll variety — you cannot reasonably expect your property to be treated respectfully.

And can’t you just imagine that shortly after tossing the electric guitar (which landed close enough to something else electrical to cause feedback that had Jimmy Fallon looking for the off button), Symbolina was probably arrogantly averring: Broken or not, I just enhanced the value of that guitar.

Sadly, he’s probably right. While Prince fans believe he can do no wrong, this was egregious given the ownership of the guitar.

Someone as upstanding as Prince — who always makes sure his property taxes are paid promptly and would never paint a house he was renting purple — is probably just trying to decide when is the best time to deliver a check or another guitar to Capt. Kirk. (Insert hysterical laughter here.)

Lyrics a problem?

“Screwdriver” sounds like it should be added to that Prince.org list of songs that Prince doesn’t perform anymore because they are too racy.

“I’m your driver and you’re my screw,” the key lyrics go.

You don’t have to be Freud or Masters and Johnson to get the gist of those lyrics, and they probably shouldn’t pass the lips of someone whose religion caused him to drop certain staple songs from his act. Interesting that “Screwdriver,” the first song Prince sang Friday to an overjoyed Jimmy Fallon and his audience, is the ditty with the lyric “We smash guitars and shatter glass.”

And the “Bambi” song has homophobic overtones:

“You had another lover and she looked just like you/Bambi, can’t you understand?/Bambi, it’s better with a man"

Those “Screwdriver” lyrics could make you glad that Prince knows a girl with a pocket full of horses, some of which are Trojans.

Billy Jack Bitch!

Anybody got a photo of this CJ wench???

bashraka said:

Funny that she calls Prince immature when she's made a career of calling him silly names. Also, she paints like a child.

http://artworkbycj.com/portraits.asp

rdhull said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye've been at so many shows where Prince just walked up 2 us & handed & christened us with his guitar....We knew it wasn't ours to keep. One dude just started licking it . A

Dont make fun of me.

Well..

It could be better than indirect anal contatc by sitting on Madonna's chair; like licking P's own guitar where he used to lick the guitar.

But that's only better for certain types of fans/fams/etc.

udo said:

rdhull said:

Dont make fun of me.

Well..

It could be better than indirect anal contatc by sitting on Madonna's chair; like licking P's own guitar where he used to lick the guitar.

But that's only better for certain types of fans/fams/etc.

Udo, sit down.

rdhull said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye've been at so many shows where Prince just walked up 2 us & handed & christened us with his guitar....We knew it wasn't ours to keep. One dude just started licking it . A

Dont make fun of me.

novabrkr said:

steakfinger said:

Nope. You're wrong, son. Kirk's guitar is a 1961 Crestwood. There's one on eBay right now for $8,000. American-made and very nice. It was not a new-ish Epiphone and is worth more than MOST new Fenders and Gibsons, custom shop, special or whatever. It's abundantly clear from your attitude that you really don't know much of anything about guitars, son.

[Edited 3/4/13 13:32pm]

You may be right with what you've posted... but let's not give the false impression that the ebay prices for vintage instruments are usually anywhere near their real value (the "buy-it-now" prices are often just plain silly).

I'm 100% right and so are you in your assertion that eBay prices are ridiculous.

novabrkr said:

steakfinger said:

Nope. You're wrong, son. Kirk's guitar is a 1961 Crestwood. There's one on eBay right now for $8,000. American-made and very nice. It was not a new-ish Epiphone and is worth more than MOST new Fenders and Gibsons, custom shop, special or whatever. It's abundantly clear from your attitude that you really don't know much of anything about guitars, son.

[Edited 3/4/13 13:32pm]

You may be right with what you've posted... but let's not give the false impression that the ebay prices for vintage instruments are usually anywhere near their real value (the "buy-it-now" prices are often just plain silly).

So who is right about what kind of guitar it was? Y'all got me curious now.

steakfinger said:

novabrkr said:

You may be right with what you've posted... but let's not give the false impression that the ebay prices for vintage instruments are usually anywhere near their real value (the "buy-it-now" prices are often just plain silly).

I'm 100% right and so are you in your assertion that eBay prices are ridiculous.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound I was attempting to be too critical of you. Your comments were good.

steakfinger said:

I'm 100% right and so are you in your assertion that eBay prices are ridiculous.

Some pricing on eBay is more correct than pricing in the real world, though.

RobotDevil said:

Jamzone333 said:

Now, we all know that because Kirk "bitched" about his guitar getting shredded, Prince's camp is going to send him another one. Kirk should have taken the high road and been like, "Hey, Prince may have destroyed my geetar, but I now have a "Prince" collectible to tell my kiddies about!" That would have endeared him to Prince.

Okay, but not everybody feels a desire to "endear" themselves to Prince.

I don't know the details behind this guitar-smashing incident, nor do I know what meaning this particular guitar might have to Kirk...for all I know, this guitar might have sentimental value and Prince treating it the way he did (even breaking it by accident) was hurtful. Throwing money at a situation doesn't always "fix" what happened.

Prince would have had a shitfit had somebody accidentally broken one of his treasured guitars. He files lawsuits at the drop of a hat. I'm amused by those who don't have all the pertinent details of this situation (as in, how special this guitar might be to him or what type of arrangement he and Prince made about Prince using his guitar) yet sneeringly say Kirk should somehow be honored that Prince broke his guitar.

This might have all been an unfortunate accident, and I hope Kirk and Prince get everything ironed out...but I'm with those that say that if Prince wanted to toss around a guitar, he should've just used his own.

Listen, I do understand about Prince destroying Kirk's guitar, but Kirk should have let it go. Questlove has put this tribute together for Prince and this will really make Prince look back. Kirk has to remember why Prince even came to Jimmy's show, it is because of the tribute. I'm sorry, Kirk still played the "bitch" by taking to twitter. It appears that Prince gets nervous when he goes on these shows, so after he does his set, he wants to book as quickly as possible without the chit chat.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

PoorLonelyComputer said:

Kirk Douglas, from his FB page

Well at least Prince apologized

Then that should have been the end of it.

So, Prince apologizes and tells you he will take care of the situation yet you still take to twitter to complain...not cool.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

RodeoSchro said:

I assume so because I've seen Prince throw his guitar in the air a couple dozen times and there's always been someone there to catch it.

I assume so because Prince does not have the reputation of someone that smashes other peoples' stuff.

I laugh at you guys that would disregard 40 years' worth of documented, on-stage behavior in favor of something totally out of character from a 54-year-old veteran performer.

And I heartily laugh at the fact that you, sassey and 3rdeyedude don't have 100 posts on this website between you.

Newbies, LOL.

Its just an excuse to try & tear Prince's character down again. Like most on this site do everyday. They just sit & wait 4 (A human) to make a mistake. So they can throw him under the bus again. I'm sick of it..

novabrkr said:

MoBetterBliss said:

someone was supposed to catch it?... it happened because the chord was still plugged in?... really?

Really.

He throws it towards the audience and high in the air just like he always does when he throws it to his guitar tech or a fan. It's quite likely that he didn't intend to break it and just underestimated the length of the cord. Watch it online and you should come to the same conclusion.

point taken... i've watched it again and i believe you're right

sorry prince

i've gone from thinking it was a dick to move to an incredible stupid move.... i still think he shouldn't have thrown someone else vintage axe though, even if he did intend for someone to catch it

and the comments saying kirk should feel honoured that prince broke his guitar are still bloody ridiculous... no wonder he needs a cane to walk with so many people trying to crawl up his arse

MoBetterBliss said:

novabrkr said:

Really.

He throws it towards the audience and high in the air just like he always does when he throws it to his guitar tech or a fan. It's quite likely that he didn't intend to break it and just underestimated the length of the cord. Watch it online and you should come to the same conclusion.

point taken... i've watched it again and i believe you're right

sorry prince

i've gone from thinking it was a dick to move to an incredible stupid move.... i still think he shouldn't have thrown someone else vintage axe though, even if he did intend for someone to catch it

and the comments saying kirk should feel honoured that prince broke his guitar are still bloody ridiculous... no wonder he needs a cane to walk with so many people trying to crawl up his arse

No one is trying to scrawl up Prince's "arse" (bloody English humor)..anyhoo, when Prince apologized, that should have been it, period. Kirk took it too far by posting on Facebook and Twitter.

Jamzone333 said:

MoBetterBliss said:

point taken... i've watched it again and i believe you're right

sorry prince

i've gone from thinking it was a dick to move to an incredible stupid move.... i still think he shouldn't have thrown someone else vintage axe though, even if he did intend for someone to catch it

and the comments saying kirk should feel honoured that prince broke his guitar are still bloody ridiculous... no wonder he needs a cane to walk with so many people trying to crawl up his arse

No one is trying to scrawl up Prince's "arse"

read

This is getting out of hand & SOMEONE needs to give a statement that apologized & is fitting the bill to get it fixed....This bad press should not be happening AT ALL!!!

[Edited 3/7/13 17:03pm]

Old news already...

Jamzone333 said:

RobotDevil said:

Okay, but not everybody feels a desire to "endear" themselves to Prince.

I don't know the details behind this guitar-smashing incident, nor do I know what meaning this particular guitar might have to Kirk...for all I know, this guitar might have sentimental value and Prince treating it the way he did (even breaking it by accident) was hurtful. Throwing money at a situation doesn't always "fix" what happened.

Prince would have had a shitfit had somebody accidentally broken one of his treasured guitars. He files lawsuits at the drop of a hat. I'm amused by those who don't have all the pertinent details of this situation (as in, how special this guitar might be to him or what type of arrangement he and Prince made about Prince using his guitar) yet sneeringly say Kirk should somehow be honored that Prince broke his guitar.

This might have all been an unfortunate accident, and I hope Kirk and Prince get everything ironed out...but I'm with those that say that if Prince wanted to toss around a guitar, he should've just used his own.

Listen, I do understand about Prince destroying Kirk's guitar, but Kirk should have let it go. Questlove has put this tribute together for Prince and this will really make Prince look back. Kirk has to remember why Prince even came to Jimmy's show, it is because of the tribute. I'm sorry, Kirk still played the "bitch" by taking to twitter. It appears that Prince gets nervous when he goes on these shows, so after he does his set, he wants to book as quickly as possible without the chit chat.

Although I appreciate your stance on this issue, clearly you're a Prince apologist and, in your eyes, Prince will ALWAYS be the "good guy" and anyone who doesn't kowtow to Prince, completely kiss his ass, or who dares to speak out about crappy behavior on Prince's part will be the "bad guy" no matter what the actual circumstances.

We'll just have to agree to have differing opinions on this situation.

Prince shook hands, apologized, & said he would take care of it. This all should have been handled OFF the 'net.

This has completely snowballed! Sheesh.

“Prince needs to write a CHECK,” Reid commented on Twitter Wednesday. “Smash SOMEONE ELSE’S 60’S ERA GUITAR & WALK AWAY?! NOPE.”

Reid says there is no excuse for Prince’s behavior. “Talent, even a SUPREME LEVEL like PRINCE’S doesn’t give him THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.Next time he sings The Cross, he should think about THAT.”

Reid stresses his support of Douglas. “The more I think of it, the madder I get. Capt. Kirk is 1 of the nicest people I know, & a real fan of his- VERY disappointed in TACKAP.”

Fantastic. Gotta love people mouthing off to thousands of followers about something for days (his last comment was 4hrs ago) after seeing a couple of tweets, evidently without any further investigation.

I'm sure next time TACKAP (sic) sings "The Cross", he'll be thinking about the time he smashed Kirk's guitar and didn't send a check.

Oh...wait.

He apologised immediately afterwards, he's already paid for the repair, he hasn't sung "The Cross" nor has he been called TAFKAP this century and he's certainly never been bloody TACKAP.

Well done, Vernon.

Quest even posted a photo of the guitar at the tribute today, looking (and hopefully sounding) perfect again.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

This is getting out of hand & SOMEONE needs to give a statement that apologized & is fitting the bill to get it fixed....This bad press should not be happening AT ALL!!!

Kirk has already mentioned twice that it was rectified and the press have reported on that too - some mention that the apology came immediately after the show, while others just mention that his people contacted Kirk regarding the repairs after the fact, which is sly journalism in that it makes it sound like his people are just cleaning up his mess for him - but it doesn't matter, of course, what's done is done.

I've had to put up with at least one of my friends saying dreadful things about him on Facebook - again, someone who just read an article and was suddenly an expert - and really, you just have to let it go.

I'm sure Prince learnt to do that a long time ago.

It doesn't make it alright, but then again, apologising and paying to repair a guitar doesn't make it alright that you smashed it in the first place either, so I guess there might be a bit of karma to deal with there.

My karmic lesson for having to put up with it in my newsfeed? Minding my own darn business next time

(edited for clarity - could imagine something being misread)

[Edited 3/7/13 23:17pm]

Prince might be trying to lay low until the West Coast shows start in mid April. I understand where Vernon Reid is coming from. Breaking someone's borrowed instrument is a cardinal sin in music, but since Prince has already paid for the damages to the guitar and has since made amends with Kirk, maybe other people can fall back and move on.

Happy again

bashraka said:

Prince might be trying to lay low until the West Coast shows start in mid April. I understand where Vernon Reid is coming from. Breaking someone's borrowed instrument is a cardinal sin in music, but since Prince has already paid for the damages to the guitar and has since made amends with Kirk, maybe other people can fall back and move on.

Aren't U Kirk????

so, the guitar bhas been repaired, the guitar's owner pacified. can this thread go bye bye now?? or, will this thread outlast the actual event