HonestMan13 said:

bashraka said:

C.J.: Immature Prince treats borrowed guitar like his own before tossing it

Article by: C.J. , Star Tribune

Updated: March 4, 2013 - 10:16 PM

Reports of the maturation of Prince are grossly premature after he hurled a guitar he didn’t own to the floor before marching off “The Jimmy Fallon Show” stage Friday.

How will this rock ’n’ roll child ever learn what is acceptable behavior if nobody tells him?

Well, the man who owned the guitar is trying. Roots guitarist Kirk Douglas, known on Twitter as @CaptainKDouglas, tweeted: “Maybe it’s because I’m a dad, but I think framing the guitar is a little like rewarding bad behavior.”

Capt. Kirk gets it!

Among those who didn’t are most of those quoted at the website Muck Rack. Under the headline “What journalists are sayi...ut #prince,” there was ample Twitter recitation of the basic info.

“#Prince borrows guitar, uses during @LateNightJimmy show, refuses to autograph, THEN slams it to floor in the end! #rockgodstatus,” wrote @blackthought.

On Muck Rack I found only a single tweet that might be considered even mildly critical of Symbolina’s outlandishly rude behavior: “I feel bad for Capt. Kirk’s guitar,” tweeted Dan DeLuca, the Philadelphia Inquirer’s pop music critic.

Of course, Capt. Kirk must not know much about Prince to have thought that Symbolina would ever autograph the instrument. Only place I’ve ever seen Symbolina’s autograph was on a court document.

While thinking Prince would autograph the instrument was silly, if it’s true, Capt. Kirk was naive not to know that when you give an instrument to a child — of the regular or petulant rock ’n’ roll variety — you cannot reasonably expect your property to be treated respectfully.

And can’t you just imagine that shortly after tossing the electric guitar (which landed close enough to something else electrical to cause feedback that had Jimmy Fallon looking for the off button), Symbolina was probably arrogantly averring: Broken or not, I just enhanced the value of that guitar.

Sadly, he’s probably right. While Prince fans believe he can do no wrong, this was egregious given the ownership of the guitar.

Someone as upstanding as Prince — who always makes sure his property taxes are paid promptly and would never paint a house he was renting purple — is probably just trying to decide when is the best time to deliver a check or another guitar to Capt. Kirk. (Insert hysterical laughter here.)

Lyrics a problem?

“Screwdriver” sounds like it should be added to that Prince.org list of songs that Prince doesn’t perform anymore because they are too racy.

“I’m your driver and you’re my screw,” the key lyrics go.

You don’t have to be Freud or Masters and Johnson to get the gist of those lyrics, and they probably shouldn’t pass the lips of someone whose religion caused him to drop certain staple songs from his act. Interesting that “Screwdriver,” the first song Prince sang Friday to an overjoyed Jimmy Fallon and his audience, is the ditty with the lyric “We smash guitars and shatter glass.”

And the “Bambi” song has homophobic overtones:

“You had another lover and she looked just like you/Bambi, can’t you understand?/Bambi, it’s better with a man"

Those “Screwdriver” lyrics could make you glad that Prince knows a girl with a pocket full of horses, some of which are Trojans.

Billy Jack Bitch!

EXACTLY!

MoBetterBliss said:

someone was supposed to catch it?... it happened because the chord was still plugged in?... really?

Really.

He throws it towards the audience and high in the air just like he always does when he throws it to his guitar tech or a fan. It's quite likely that he didn't intend to break it and just underestimated the length of the cord. Watch it online and you should come to the same conclusion.

steakfinger said:

LaceyB said:

Not clueless, correct. I NEVER, EVER said how Epiphone started out (nor is their ancient history in any way relevant to the current discussion). Old Epiphones are fine. But Epiphone IS now the budget brand of Gibson, Sirclueless, and has been for a long time now. The guitar in question was A NEWISH EPIPHONE. Therefore, this was not some priceless Fender masterbuilt Custom Shop or Gibson special. Please do get a clue before posting. I know FAR more about guitars that you ever will (if only you knew who you were saying this too!). Not a subject you want to challenge me on, son.

[Edited 3/3/13 23:47pm]

Nope. You're wrong, son. Kirk's guitar is a 1961 Crestwood. There's one on eBay right now for $8,000. American-made and very nice. It was not a new-ish Epiphone and is worth more than MOST new Fenders and Gibsons, custom shop, special or whatever. It's abundantly clear from your attitude that you really don't know much of anything about guitars, son.

[Edited 3/4/13 13:32pm]

You may be right with what you've posted... but let's not give the false impression that the ebay prices for vintage instruments are usually anywhere near their real value (the "buy-it-now" prices are often just plain silly).

Chiquetet said:

Really, Kirk is entitled to feel however he feels, say whatever he wants to say and just generally respond in whatever way he wants to respond.

That said, I DO wish that he'd posted about the handshake/apology/reparations FIRST, as the fact that he was posting photos and comments, but hadn't mentioned anything about an apology, implied that he was still waiting for one.

Whether Prince intended for someone to catch it, did it in the heat of the moment, or planned to trash it all along, the facts that have emerged now is that he apologised immediately after and said he'd make it right.

Whatever our personal opinions on what happened, surely there's nothing left to debate?

Prince has done his best to make it right. Kirk is dealing with what happened the best way he can.

At this point, it's even less of our business than it was in the beginning.

It's over. Time to move on.

Well, we do not if that's a fact either. That was also just a short post by him on the Internet and Prince might have actually apologized a little bit later. People don't always give honest accounts of what exactly happened and it seems like Kirk wanted to make Prince look a bit better.

You're right that we should move on though. I suppose that it's just interesting for us fans to understand what happened and whether or not Prince is really such an asshole that it initially seemed to be the case. I don't think he is that, but I'm quite entertained by the thought that he's used wireless systems so long that doesn't even really remember the limitations plugging in a cord to a guitar has.

You stans are so full of shit.

If someone smashed Prince's guitar, you'd be yelling and screaming for justice.

But if's okay if Prince does it to someone else's property.

Kirk values his guitar the same as Prince does his. If Kirk smashed one of Prince's guitars you asskissers would be ready to throw Kirk UNDER OVER IN the bus!

serpan99 said:

"we smash guitars and shatter glass" Screwdriver Fallon style

I'm sure he said: "Lawd!" as it hit the ground...

Hold on a second... This Captain Kirk guy goes on and on about what he teaches his kids, right?

Now, Captain Kirk, here is something my parents have tought me: if someone makes a mistake and apologizes to you, then you should somehow make clear if you are willing to accept that person's apology or not. If you don't show any indication that you are NOT willing to accept the apology, then it is really bad behaviour to go on and on and on about the incident in question - in this particular case, even in public!

Why can't he just stop to write about it when he has already discussed the matter with Prince, and Prince has apologized for what has happened (apparently, without being forced by anyone to do so)?

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

^ that's true. prince isn't a destructive guy. overall i'd chalk the whole thing up to an accident, he's human, we all mess up.

Shit happens... Like when Prince tossed his guitar to a guy in the crowd in Oakland at the W2A concert and the guy got into a scuffle over it. And then claimed it was his because he caught it. He didn't want to give it back. I think he was even considering a law suit, if I remember right... He ended up with a guitar pick, scrapes, bruises, and a bruised ego...

y'know? that guy^ took his chances catching the guitar and all. forgive me but i would duck and run if i saw a guitar flying at me!!!! i suppose all superstars have to contend with how gossip columnists like BJCJ need to sell their otherwise dull copy by twisting the facts around.

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Pointe said:

"He apologized, shook my hand & said he’d take care of it." Here's to: that you never cross paths again.

They'll do that in a few days.

The Roots are the house band for the Tribute concert.

novabrkr said:

I'm pretty sure Kirk is under contract.

Prince probably doesn't care that much in the end.

CJ needs to keep our name out of her mouth, LOL.

OKay, call me a conspiracy theorist, but indulge me...

1) Prince is a perfectionist and this perfromance would have been rehearsed to death as it is a big deal for 2013. Does it make any sense at all that Prince would just borrow some other dude's guitar at the last moment? He has a shortage of guitars? He wanted to "wing it" on the national stage with how it would sound?

2) The guitar matched his shirt perfectly. Coinkadink?

3) Anyone who wants to create a buzz and help a video go viral knows you need controversey.

4) Nothing Prince does on stage is spontaneous. The tossing of the guitar was planned from the get go. As were the instruction to not turn off the feedback.

I think there is a high probability the entire thing was staged. And it worked, becuase here we all are talking about it.

[Edited 3/5/13 7:49am]

2funkE said:

OKay, call me a conspiracy theorist, but indulge me...

1) Prince is a perfectionist and this perfromance would have been rehearsed to death as it is a big deal for 2013. Does it make any sense at all that Prince would just borrow some other dude's guitar at the last moment?

2) The guitar matched his shirt perfectly

3) Anyone who wants to create a buzz and help a video go viral knows you need controversey.

4) Nothing Prince does on stage is spontaneous. The tossing of the guitar was planned from the get go. As was the instruction to not turn off the feedback.

I think there is a high probability the entire thing was staged. And it worked, becuase here we all are talking about it.

And Jermey has been conspiuously quiet about it all.

Praxis said:

serpan99 said:

"we smash guitars and shatter glass" Screwdriver Fallon style

I'm sure he said: "Lawd!" as it hit the ground...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

But Prince doesn't sign autographs due to his religious believes. He doesn't believe in idol worship...

Well Kirk said Prince signed,it so he must have signed it. It's the LEAST he could do, afterall... .do the right thing for once, Prince.

[Edited 3/5/13 11:43am]

PoorLonelyComputer said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

But Prince doesn't sign autographs due to his religious believes. He doesn't believe in idol worship...

Well Kirk said Prince signed,it so he must have signed it. It's the LEAST he could do, afterall... fuck his religious beliefs....do the right thing for once, Prince.

When did Kirk say he signed it?? did he give another update on facebook saying Prince signed??

purpleshadow said:

PoorLonelyComputer said:

Well Kirk said Prince signed,it so he must have signed it. It's the LEAST he could do, afterall... fuck his religious beliefs....do the right thing for once, Prince.

When did Kirk say he signed it?? did he give another update on facebook saying Prince signed??

No, kirk said he asked P to sign it again, but P said no and that he hasn't signed autographs since the 70s (which isn't true).

purpleshadow said:

PoorLonelyComputer said:

Well Kirk said Prince signed,it so he must have signed it. It's the LEAST he could do, afterall... ...do the right thing for once, Prince.

When did Kirk say he signed it?? did he give another update on facebook saying Prince signed??

Actually he didn't but if he asked Prince should do it for the same reason

[Edited 3/5/13 11:48am]

PoorLonelyComputer said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

But Prince doesn't sign autographs due to his religious believes. He doesn't believe in idol worship...

Well Kirk said Prince signed,it so he must have signed it. It's the LEAST he could do, afterall... .do the right thing for once, Prince.

[Edited 3/5/13 11:43am]

[Edited 3/5/13 14:50pm]

I love the dangerous,pompous, rock-n- roll Prince.Have been awaiting his return for quite some time.

He should have set fire to the bitch too.

RudeBoy returns...

purplethunder3121 said:

XxAxX said:

^ that's true. prince isn't a destructive guy. overall i'd chalk the whole thing up to an accident, he's human, we all mess up.

Shit happens... Like when Prince tossed his guitar to a guy in the crowd in Oakland at the W2A concert and the guy got into a scuffle over it. And then claimed it was his because he caught it. He didn't want to give it back. I think he was even considering a law suit, if I remember right... He ended up with a guitar pick, scrapes, bruises, and a bruised ego...

what's that lesbians name?

bashraka said:

C.J.: Immature Prince treats borrowed guitar like his own before tossing it

Article by: C.J. , Star Tribune

Updated: March 4, 2013 - 10:16 PM

Reports of the maturation of Prince are grossly premature after he hurled a guitar he didn’t own to the floor before marching off “The Jimmy Fallon Show” stage Friday.

How will this rock ’n’ roll child ever learn what is acceptable behavior if nobody tells him?

Well, the man who owned the guitar is trying. Roots guitarist Kirk Douglas, known on Twitter as @CaptainKDouglas, tweeted: “Maybe it’s because I’m a dad, but I think framing the guitar is a little like rewarding bad behavior.”

Capt. Kirk gets it!

Among those who didn’t are most of those quoted at the website Muck Rack. Under the headline “What journalists are sayi...ut #prince,” there was ample Twitter recitation of the basic info.

“#Prince borrows guitar, uses during @LateNightJimmy show, refuses to autograph, THEN slams it to floor in the end! #rockgodstatus,” wrote @blackthought.

On Muck Rack I found only a single tweet that might be considered even mildly critical of Symbolina’s outlandishly rude behavior: “I feel bad for Capt. Kirk’s guitar,” tweeted Dan DeLuca, the Philadelphia Inquirer’s pop music critic.

Of course, Capt. Kirk must not know much about Prince to have thought that Symbolina would ever autograph the instrument. Only place I’ve ever seen Symbolina’s autograph was on a court document.

While thinking Prince would autograph the instrument was silly, if it’s true, Capt. Kirk was naive not to know that when you give an instrument to a child — of the regular or petulant rock ’n’ roll variety — you cannot reasonably expect your property to be treated respectfully.

And can’t you just imagine that shortly after tossing the electric guitar (which landed close enough to something else electrical to cause feedback that had Jimmy Fallon looking for the off button), Symbolina was probably arrogantly averring: Broken or not, I just enhanced the value of that guitar.

Sadly, he’s probably right. While Prince fans believe he can do no wrong, this was egregious given the ownership of the guitar.

Someone as upstanding as Prince — who always makes sure his property taxes are paid promptly and would never paint a house he was renting purple — is probably just trying to decide when is the best time to deliver a check or another guitar to Capt. Kirk. (Insert hysterical laughter here.)

Lyrics a problem?

“Screwdriver” sounds like it should be added to that Prince.org list of songs that Prince doesn’t perform anymore because they are too racy.

“I’m your driver and you’re my screw,” the key lyrics go.

You don’t have to be Freud or Masters and Johnson to get the gist of those lyrics, and they probably shouldn’t pass the lips of someone whose religion caused him to drop certain staple songs from his act. Interesting that “Screwdriver,” the first song Prince sang Friday to an overjoyed Jimmy Fallon and his audience, is the ditty with the lyric “We smash guitars and shatter glass.”

And the “Bambi” song has homophobic overtones:

“You had another lover and she looked just like you/Bambi, can’t you understand?/Bambi, it’s better with a man"

Those “Screwdriver” lyrics could make you glad that Prince knows a girl with a pocket full of horses, some of which are Trojans.

C.J. is still around?? Talking her same ol' shit?

Cuddles said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Shit happens... Like when Prince tossed his guitar to a guy in the crowd in Oakland at the W2A concert and the guy got into a scuffle over it. And then claimed it was his because he caught it. He didn't want to give it back. I think he was even considering a law suit, if I remember right... He ended up with a guitar pick, scrapes, bruises, and a bruised ego...

what's that lesbians name?

Litchfield...

OAKLAND, Calif. (KGO) -- A man who attended the Prince concert at Oracle Arena in Oakland Wednesday night says he was beaten by other concert goers after he caught a guitar the singer threw into the crowd.

The two front row tickets to last night's Prince concert cost Perry Litchfield $750 each. They seemed worth every penny when the pop legend made eye contact with Litchfield and tossed his custom guitar right at him.

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"I don't remember anything other than it leaving his hands and entering mine; it was like in slow motion," Litchfield said.

After that, Litchfield says it was all a blur. He says the crowd mobbed him and he has the scratches on his knuckles and back to prove it.

When security pulled him out, Litchfield still had the guitar, but not for long. A stage hand demanded he give it back

"I kind of said, 'What do you mean?' and he grabbed it and said, 'It's just part of the show,'" Litchfield said.

In exchange for the guitar, the stage hand gave Litchfield a guitar pick.

Litchfield is laughing now, but he wants that guitar back.

"To this day I don't understand why I don't have the guitar," Litchfield said. "You throw something into the crowd, it's customary that the people who get it, get."

So was it really Litchfield's guitar to keep? It really depends on if the guitar can be considered "abandoned property" and what Prince's intent was when he tossed it into the crowd.

A spokesperson for Prince did not return ABC7's call for comment.

Eye've been at so many shows where Prince just walked up 2 us & handed & christened us with his guitar....We knew it wasn't ours to keep. One dude just started licking it . Another woman snatched it from us & scolded us like we we're going to take & keep it 4 ourselves

Anybody that follows should know its all apart of the act.....GIVE IT BACK BOO..

RodeoSchro said:

CJ needs to keep our name out of her mouth, LOL.

purplethunder3121 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Billy Jack Bitch!

EXACTLY!

I about said the same thing...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Eye've been at so many shows where Prince just walked up 2 us & handed & christened us with his guitar....We knew it wasn't ours to keep. One dude just started licking it . A

Dont make fun of me.