vainandy said:

skywalker said:

Vainandy-

You yourself have accused Prince of "going retro" and psychadelic 60's in 1985/86/87 and abandoning his R&B, funk audience.

Why is this the exploration of a new sound for Prince not selling out, but his nods to hip hop are?

I suspect that it is because you don't really like hip hop (shit hop?).

No, I was not pleased with him going retro after "Purple Rain" because when music as a whole is still good and everyone else is moving forward, I see no reason to go backwards. I wouldn't necessarily call what he did back then selling out though because he pissed just as many pop fans off as he pissed off R&B fans and I do have respect for him for doing as he pleased back then regardless if droves of other people didn't agree his direction, including myself. I did like the albums that followed though, just not as much as the previous ones. If I never liked them, I wouldn't still be a fan today.

Since shit hop has completely taken over R&B, I have gotten into much more types of music that I never was much into before because as long as I had great funk, I had no reason or desire to listen to anything else. I already had a ton of R&B records and when shit hop and neo stool completely took over R&B and house music turned to trance, then I started buying even more old R&B records that I didn't previously have and when I got damn near all the 1980s stuff I wanted, then I started getting 1970s stuff I didn't have already. Hell, I even got a little stuff from the 1960s too. Then when I branched off into rock and started getting into it also. Hell, I've even got some stuff as far back as The Andrew Sisters "Bugle Boy of Company B". I've even dabbled in a little country from the 1970s and 1980s, not a lot of it, but a little of it. Hell, you get desperate when there ain't no jams being made anymore. And Lord knows I have absolutely worn the old Prince albums out through the years so I've been getting a lot into his late 1980s albums lately and have not just been liking them, I've been absolutely loving them, including "Parade" and those damn strings. They definitely show the genius of Prince even moreso than the earlier albums. But then again, I'm 45 now, I'm not 18, 19, 20, etc. when those albums first came out plus with no good R&B these days from other artists, it makes you appreciate them more. Would I still have rather had more of his sound before 1985? You damn right I would. Yes, the late 1980s albums sound great but the earlier ones sound better.

As for do I really not like shit hop, it's not that I really don't like, I really hate it. I hate the fucking sound of it, I hate the fucking look of it, I hate the fucking attitude of it, I hate the fucking existence of it. I believe in living and let live but that bullshit has killed R&B completely off since it's the cheapest made form of music ever made other than acapella so nothing else gets a chance to come along and dethrone it. There used to be a time when you could put my radio dial on an R&B station and rip the dial off to where I can never change the station and I would have been happy with it. But these days, when I move my dial past an R&B station, I move it as quick as I can so I can't hear one single note of the bullshit that's on it. There's absolutely no jams anymore thanks to shit hop, I mean absolutely none unless you go "searching" for them like a damn fool and when there's no jams anymore, it's no longer a matter of live and let live, I want the genre that killed them gone so the last thing I believe in is selling out to it and joining it in even the smallest way.

AND sleep! *clicks fingers*

This whole idea of artists selling out is complete BS. It's like fans want to be part of an exclusive where only a handful of people know about how great an artist is. Artists want people to hear there music. If that means its pop music then the more the better.

callimnate said:

skywalker said:

Again, is this the time that Prince first did something like this in his career? Not by a long shot. As someone said, is Prince making music aimed at the "mainstream" or "pop"ular crowd selling out? If so then he sold out almost right off the bat in his career.

IMO all albums prior to were on the edgy side, and P gave the impression that he didn't give a shit what anyone thought or how much money he would make from them. Hence the lack of promo work with most of them. But with D&P it seemed like he made sure the album AND singles were user friendly and the promotional work was HUGE! Hec, the even toured Australia with it, and that's saying something.

So Prince promoting the album more is selling out?

What about that MTV contest that ended up in Sheridan Wyoming for Under The Cherry Moon?

novabrkr said:

a whole thread about this shit

2013MW said:

1991 & 1999.

purplethunder3121 said: