TrevorAyer said:

both slabs off poo .. aka screwdriver and rnrlove affair had prominent mention in Rolling Stone .. picutre of prince in his ugly ass pjs and all .. even hyping this crap as listenable .. so yes in fact there is a silver bullet .. its that his music is pure crapola .. dung .. fecal matter ... prince releases this shit to make NPS sound better .. and it does .. i will take come on, the one, wasted kisses .. hell even freaks on this side and push it up over all this new horrible diarhea .. prince can't even sell to his hardcore active fanbase or whatever you want to call it .. much less anyone who can choose justin beiber over prince nonsense .. it is time to impeach prince of his name .. refuse to acknowledge him until he puts out music worthy of the prince name .. and burn his pj's .. they are by far his worst fashion statement ever .. well the golden pjs were pretty bad .. but the 2010 3rd eye girl pjs are worse .. this guy is sleeping still .. as for his proteges .. they aren't great .. but they are better than prince songs these days .. sad

So, how do you feel about his new stuff?

This Thread: Funny,annoying and so true.

Much luv to you , Prince.

in this day and age the record buying public counts for very little..music sold seems to be much more of a promo tool for butts on seats at concerts..just look at Mumford and sons attitude towards sales and awards. They couldn't give a shit about record sales...it's all about the tickets. Therefore bringing it back to the purple world the only figures that P should really care about is his concert tix sales which generally seem excellent. The figures on 3rd eye girl are irrelevant, IMHO this is just a project to sell really 2nd / 3rd rate throwaway output to his hard core fans who are used to paying for crap quality bootlegs.

Lets see how his next gigs sell although the 3 jazz festival shows already sold out so kind of proves a point..the man is still a big live draw.

funkyhead said:

in this day and age the record buying public counts for very little..music sold seems to be much more of a promo tool for butts on seats at concerts..just look at Mumford and sons attitude towards sales and awards. They couldn't give a shit about record sales...it's all about the tickets. Therefore bringing it back to the purple world the only figures that P should really care about is his concert tix sales which generally seem excellent. The figures on 3rd eye girl are irrelevant, IMHO this is just a project to sell really 2nd / 3rd rate throwaway output to his hard core fans who are used to paying for crap quality bootlegs.

Lets see how his next gigs sell although the 3 jazz festival shows already sold out so kind of proves a point..the man is still a big live draw.

The most accurate statement made on this thread....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

funkyhead said:

in this day and age the record buying public counts for very little..music sold seems to be much more of a promo tool for butts on seats at concerts..just look at Mumford and sons attitude towards sales and awards. They couldn't give a shit about record sales...it's all about the tickets. Therefore bringing it back to the purple world the only figures that P should really care about is his concert tix sales which generally seem excellent. The figures on 3rd eye girl are irrelevant, IMHO this is just a project to sell really 2nd / 3rd rate throwaway output to his hard core fans who are used to paying for crap quality bootlegs.

Lets see how his next gigs sell although the 3 jazz festival shows already sold out so kind of proves a point..the man is still a big live draw.

The most accurate statement made on this thread....

Yep, these days is anyone making money off of albums/song sales?

Which artists sold the most records in 2012?

Did they make more than Madonna did from touring?

skywalker said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

The most accurate statement made on this thread....

Yep, these days is anyone making money off of albums/song sales?

Which artists sold the most records in 2012?

Did they make more than Madonna did from touring?

Hahaha, This is SUCH A GOOD POINT!
For even the artist that sold the most records in 2012, PRETTY sure, it was not more than what Madonna, or themselves made while touring!

THAT IS WHERE THE BANK IS!

I am not sure, if the question is about money though..

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

funkyhead said:

in this day and age the record buying public counts for very little..music sold seems to be much more of a promo tool for butts on seats at concerts..just look at Mumford and sons attitude towards sales and awards. They couldn't give a shit about record sales...it's all about the tickets. Therefore bringing it back to the purple world the only figures that P should really care about is his concert tix sales which generally seem excellent. The figures on 3rd eye girl are irrelevant, IMHO this is just a project to sell really 2nd / 3rd rate throwaway output to his hard core fans who are used to paying for crap quality bootlegs.

Lets see how his next gigs sell although the 3 jazz festival shows already sold out so kind of proves a point..the man is still a big live draw.

The most accurate statement made on this thread....

But I don't agree with this statement. Prince doesn't make throwaway muziq

There all "MasterPieces'.....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

The most accurate statement made on this thread....

But I don't agree with this statement. Prince doesn't make throwaway muziq

There all "MasterPieces'.....

hey there KCool..i love your positive attitude but come on you surely cannot love everything he does..even P has admitted that his albums have filler!!. You really like Purple and Gold?, Rich Friends etc. The stuff he's putting out is really for the hard core. I really am hoping that the quality gets back to the old NPG music club days when the treats came thick and fast...there was a lot of top drawer stuff on there i.e. quality live videos, quality new music, quality remixes, great live rehearsal trax etc.

Anyways keep the positivity going but maybe sometimes take a little step back?

fredmagnus said:

Does anybody knows how many fans did (approximately) suscribe to NPGMC in 2000 ?

That would be a good indicator if we compare it with 3rdeyegirl sales.

Unfortunately, i think his fanbase number is at a low point. Year after year, Prince is loosing hundreds and hundreds of hardcore fans.

This has nothing to do with people who come to see Prince in concert. Most of them are not hardcore fans.

NPGMC at one point prior to 2002 had over 400,000 members so by the time it closed and with the price reduction i wouldn't be suprised to find out if it had between 750,000-1.25 million members which is a ton considering it cost 25 bucks.

lack of visability with the 3rdeye thingy.

I think if he just had a website called Princenpg.com or something and just said "this is Prince's official web site where you can buy music direct" and sent out a press release a lot more people would know.

Maybe he wants this to be just for the cores?

riocoolnes said:

fredmagnus said:

Does anybody knows how many fans did (approximately) suscribe to NPGMC in 2000 ?

That would be a good indicator if we compare it with 3rdeyegirl sales.

Unfortunately, i think his fanbase number is at a low point. Year after year, Prince is loosing hundreds and hundreds of hardcore fans.

This has nothing to do with people who come to see Prince in concert. Most of them are not hardcore fans.

NPGMC at one point prior to 2002 had over 400,000 members so by the time it closed and with the price reduction i wouldn't be suprised to find out if it had between 750,000-1.25 million members which is a ton considering it cost 25 bucks.

True but how many people signed up just to get tickets??

SuperFurryAnimal said:

riocoolnes said:

NPGMC at one point prior to 2002 had over 400,000 members so by the time it closed and with the price reduction i wouldn't be suprised to find out if it had between 750,000-1.25 million members which is a ton considering it cost 25 bucks.

True but how many people signed up just to get tickets??

I would imagine the vast majority who signed up for the tickets were already pretty high and the 'fan' factor anyway.

I don't see a lot of folks signing up strictly for tickets without being inclined to sign up regardless.

I'd be shocked if there were a million singups.

This thread is brilliant and, right now, I need some brilliance. Thank you!!

riocoolnes said:

fredmagnus said:

Does anybody knows how many fans did (approximately) suscribe to NPGMC in 2000 ?

That would be a good indicator if we compare it with 3rdeyegirl sales.

Unfortunately, i think his fanbase number is at a low point. Year after year, Prince is loosing hundreds and hundreds of hardcore fans.

This has nothing to do with people who come to see Prince in concert. Most of them are not hardcore fans.

NPGMC at one point prior to 2002 had over 400,000 members so by the time it closed and with the price reduction i wouldn't be suprised to find out if it had between 750,000-1.25 million members which is a ton considering it cost 25 bucks.

where does that number come from? his albums didn't even sell a million copies at that time.

so why would there be even more people who were members of npgmc than there were folk

who actually bought his retail output?

i'd be thrilled for prince if he did actually have a million members for npgmc at that point but

somehow i can't really see that as a reality.

however, there might be a clue in the sales numbers of his albums:

rave un2 the joy fantastic sold 1,75 million copies worldwide, many of those in the US

rainbow children sold 158,000 units in the us as of 2007

news sold only 30,000 units in the us as of 2007, his lowest selling album ever

those last 2 albums were npgmc releases. and since most of the npgmc members got

those albums through the club, there'd be far less people buying them in stores.

which could explain the significant drop in sales numbers after Rave.

IstenSzek said:

riocoolnes said:

NPGMC at one point prior to 2002 had over 400,000 members so by the time it closed and with the price reduction i wouldn't be suprised to find out if it had between 750,000-1.25 million members which is a ton considering it cost 25 bucks.

where does that number come from? his albums didn't even sell a million copies at that time.

so why would there be even more people who were members of npgmc than there were folk

who actually bought his retail output?

i'd be thrilled for prince if he did actually have a million members for npgmc at that point but

somehow i can't really see that as a reality.

however, there might be a clue in the sales numbers of his albums:

rave un2 the joy fantastic sold 1,75 million copies worldwide, many of those in the US

rainbow children sold 158,000 units in the us as of 2007

news sold only 30,000 units in the us as of 2007, his lowest selling album ever

those last 2 albums were npgmc releases. and since most of the npgmc members got

those albums through the club, there'd be far less people buying them in stores.

which could explain the significant drop in sales numbers after Rave.

wasn't The Rainbow Children released through Best Buy's distributor?

errant said:

IstenSzek said:

where does that number come from? his albums didn't even sell a million copies at that time.

so why would there be even more people who were members of npgmc than there were folk

who actually bought his retail output?

i'd be thrilled for prince if he did actually have a million members for npgmc at that point but

somehow i can't really see that as a reality.

however, there might be a clue in the sales numbers of his albums:

rave un2 the joy fantastic sold 1,75 million copies worldwide, many of those in the US

rainbow children sold 158,000 units in the us as of 2007

news sold only 30,000 units in the us as of 2007, his lowest selling album ever

those last 2 albums were npgmc releases. and since most of the npgmc members got

those albums through the club, there'd be far less people buying them in stores.

which could explain the significant drop in sales numbers after Rave.

wasn't The Rainbow Children released through Best Buy's distributor?

it was, i think. but the members already got the download a few weeks earlier

so i'm guessing that's why it only did those small numbers at retail. perhaps.

jonylawson said:

i guess im classes as hard core but in a non obsessive way but jesus..3rd eye girl and all that crap?

im almost 40

i just want to go to itunes and buy his shit...im too old to be plodding round the net looking at cryptic websites

99% of people whom i talk to always say "prince? he hasnt done anything for years"

jesus just have a PRINCE website

this post made my day!!

Imago summed it all up very well.

There's no way NPGMC had a million members, or anywhere near it. However, I recall a lot of people joining as the Musicology tour went on. Of course they were primarily seeking the ticket bargains, but a few of them made their way to the discussion forum.

IstenSzek said:

All I can tell you is that when I started seriously seeking out real news on Prince and when and where he would play in the future, after 15 years of being out of the loop, I had to come to Prince.org to get any real news... I think it is much harder now and you have to be a real fan to dig out all this information on the internet.

purplethunder3121 said:

All I can tell you is that when I started seriously seeking out real news on Prince and when and where he would play in the future, after 15 years of being out of the loop, I had to come to Prince.org to get any real news... I think it is much harder now and you have to be a real fan to dig out all this information on the internet.

IMHO, this helps explain why there are still LOL Tour tickets available in every city except SF and Portland. On top of the ticket prices and the timing (short notice, late night shows on weekdays), a lot of people who might go simply don't know the shows are happening! I wouldn't have known if I weren't popping in here for updates.

itsjustaroundthecorner said:

i think the low point had to be around 1998... New Power Soul era was just the low point....

the ONLY shows i havent been to since 1984..

maybe im personalizing!

I remember going to see Prince in a sold out Arena in September 1998

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TheEnglishGent said:

IstenSzek said:

it was, i think. but the members already got the download a few weeks earlier

so i'm guessing that's why it only did those small numbers at retail. perhaps.

the download was a low bit rate and 1 track. I'd be surprised if a lot of members didn't also buy the cd, I certainly did.

you've got a good point there. i got myself a retail copy too.

for better sound, the whole package and split tracks

EMPEROR101 said:

itsjustaroundthecorner said:

i think the low point had to be around 1998... New Power Soul era was just the low point....

the ONLY shows i havent been to since 1984..

maybe im personalizing!

I remember going to see Prince in a sold out Arena in September 1998

i caught that tour in august 1998. it wasn't his best tour, that's for sure.

it was just average, going through the motions as far as prince tours go

and coupled with the weak studio material, it really was a strange time

for him.

most of his shows from 1997/1998 suffer from this, imo.

prince was not himself at the time. probably the fall out from all that

was going on in his personal life. which is very understandable.

fredmagnus said:

This has nothing to do with people who come to see Prince in concert. Most of them are not hardcore fans.

Maybe.

It is possible people who are only casually interested in Prince's music are going to fill the seats/auditoriums for the $250 tickets.

Is it likely?

IstenSzek said:

EMPEROR101 said:

I remember going to see Prince in a sold out Arena in September 1998

i caught that tour in august 1998. it wasn't his best tour, that's for sure.

it was just average, going through the motions as far as prince tours go

and coupled with the weak studio material, it really was a strange time

for him.

most of his shows from 1997/1998 suffer from this, imo.

prince was not himself at the time. probably the fall out from all that

was going on in his personal life. which is very understandable.

He did have a mildly insecure sorta vibe the show i saw.. at one point he went through this whole speach before playing "I could never take the place of your man" about how everyone told him that he couldn't sell the place out ..and then he said "this is from my most unsuccessful album, Sign o the times." I got the Princely sarcasm but, it still felt weird that he felt the need to say that.. This was his Heavy Larry Graham/ Chaka period.

EMPEROR101 said:

IstenSzek said:

i caught that tour in august 1998. it wasn't his best tour, that's for sure.

it was just average, going through the motions as far as prince tours go

and coupled with the weak studio material, it really was a strange time

for him.

most of his shows from 1997/1998 suffer from this, imo.

prince was not himself at the time. probably the fall out from all that

was going on in his personal life. which is very understandable.

He did have a mildly insecure sorta vibe the show i saw.. at one point he went through this whole speach before playing "I could never take the place of your man" about how everyone told him that he couldn't sell the place out ..and then he said "this is from my most unsuccessful album, Sign o the times." I got the Princely sarcasm but, it still felt weird that he felt the need to say that.. This was his Heavy Larry Graham/ Chaka period.

more importantly he needs a song called "toe jam"

purplethunder3121 said:

EMPEROR101 said:

He did have a mildly insecure sorta vibe the show i saw.. at one point he went through this whole speach before playing "I could never take the place of your man" about how everyone told him that he couldn't sell the place out ..and then he said "this is from my most unsuccessful album, Sign o the times." I got the Princely sarcasm but, it still felt weird that he felt the need to say that.. This was his Heavy Larry Graham/ Chaka period.