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Printablerdhull said: Anji said: rdhull said: Anji said: rdhull said: BorisFishpaw said: Prince deliberately intended Around The World In A Day
to make 'Purple Rain' fans go 'WTF?' which means he wasn't being true to himself but trying to consciously change the script no he wasn't because if he were true to himself he wouldn't have cared and he wold have made what he wanted to do instead of doing something "unexpected" becauze it wasn't expected of him. His non contrived sensibility of ATWIAD was contrived. BUT he did say and it is reported that a lot of the material for ATWIAD was created right after PR was in the can months even before its release. Because he was thinking about how the world was going to perceive him with the release of his follow up to Purple Rain, and that dictated his change in musical direction and therefore can be viewed as contrived, I don't think it makes Around The World any less true to himself. He did exactly as he saw fit, surely. And of note, he managed to successfully capture his psychedelic spirit and translate it to record. Around The World is a stunning record from that perspective but I still see it as a natural progression from Purple Rain. It is the second chapter and it makes sense to me. Again, perhaps this is because I wasn't there at the time. While I wont disagree with what yous said because it makes sense, it also makes sense that Prince had shot his wad with PR and he had no choice BUT to come up with some off the wall stuff like ATWIAD. I mean he didnt really have any expectations at the time because he could have waited another year before his next release etc..but after the bombast of Purple Rain anything else would seem less and he knew that..so why not come up with soemthing less bombastic anyways..but dont get me wrong--ATWIAD is inspired somewhat. Also its always said and repeated such as in this thread that he made ATWIAD as a fuck you and as a present for his fans..well his longtime fans wasn't expecting or never heard ATWIAD kind of material from him so I always wondered why he didn't give his longtime fans something ala DM, or Controversy etc.If anything ATWIAD sounds like something one would give to his "new" fans with his track record of recordings. However, Around The World In A Day is Purple Rain pt II BUT on Prince's terms. It's not how it was expected to sound and that is very soulful and authentic, even if it can be argued that it is also contrived. Classic Prince! I have no doubt Prince still wanted to rule the rooster and that is why songs like Raspberry Beret and Pop Life were two of the catchiest pop songs he had written at that time. It's a shame it didn't sell anywhere near as well as Purple Rain. It had all the ingredients, as I suggested in my initial post. | |
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rdhull said: Anji said: rdhull said: Anji said: rdhull said: BorisFishpaw said: Prince deliberately intended Around The World In A Day
to make 'Purple Rain' fans go 'WTF?' which means he wasn't being true to himself but trying to consciously change the script no he wasn't because if he were true to himself he wouldn't have cared and he wold have made what he wanted to do instead of doing something "unexpected" becauze it wasn't expected of him. His non contrived sensibility of ATWIAD was contrived. BUT he did say and it is reported that a lot of the material for ATWIAD was created right after PR was in the can months even before its release. Because he was thinking about how the world was going to perceive him with the release of his follow up to Purple Rain, and that dictated his change in musical direction and therefore can be viewed as contrived, I don't think it makes Around The World any less true to himself. He did exactly as he saw fit, surely. And of note, he managed to successfully capture his psychedelic spirit and translate it to record. Around The World is a stunning record from that perspective but I still see it as a natural progression from Purple Rain. It is the second chapter and it makes sense to me. Again, perhaps this is because I wasn't there at the time. Also its always said and repeated such as in this thread that he made ATWIAD as a fuck you and as a present for his fans..well his longtime fans wasn't expecting or never heard ATWIAD kind of material from him so I always wondered why he didn't give his longtime fans something ala DM, or Controversy etc.If anything ATWIAD sounds like something one would give to his "new" fans with his track record of recordings. 'cause, as Susan Rodgers said, once Prince has done something he considers it old and tired, it's not like him to repeat something he's done 5 or 4 years back. Some people also say that he made ATWIAD because of Wendy and Lisa's influence, now while I do disagree with this, it may be a reason [This message was edited Sat Mar 8 19:27:12 PST 2003 by lovebizzare] ~KiKi | |
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Anji said: rdhull said: Anji said: rdhull said: Anji said: rdhull said: BorisFishpaw said: Prince deliberately intended Around The World In A Day
to make 'Purple Rain' fans go 'WTF?' which means he wasn't being true to himself but trying to consciously change the script no he wasn't because if he were true to himself he wouldn't have cared and he wold have made what he wanted to do instead of doing something "unexpected" becauze it wasn't expected of him. His non contrived sensibility of ATWIAD was contrived. BUT he did say and it is reported that a lot of the material for ATWIAD was created right after PR was in the can months even before its release. Because he was thinking about how the world was going to perceive him with the release of his follow up to Purple Rain, and that dictated his change in musical direction and therefore can be viewed as contrived, I don't think it makes Around The World any less true to himself. He did exactly as he saw fit, surely. And of note, he managed to successfully capture his psychedelic spirit and translate it to record. Around The World is a stunning record from that perspective but I still see it as a natural progression from Purple Rain. It is the second chapter and it makes sense to me. Again, perhaps this is because I wasn't there at the time. While I wont disagree with what yous said because it makes sense, it also makes sense that Prince had shot his wad with PR and he had no choice BUT to come up with some off the wall stuff like ATWIAD. I mean he didnt really have any expectations at the time because he could have waited another year before his next release etc..but after the bombast of Purple Rain anything else would seem less and he knew that..so why not come up with soemthing less bombastic anyways..but dont get me wrong--ATWIAD is inspired somewhat. Also its always said and repeated such as in this thread that he made ATWIAD as a fuck you and as a present for his fans..well his longtime fans wasn't expecting or never heard ATWIAD kind of material from him so I always wondered why he didn't give his longtime fans something ala DM, or Controversy etc.If anything ATWIAD sounds like something one would give to his "new" fans with his track record of recordings. However, Around The World In A Day is Purple Rain pt II BUT on Prince's terms. It's not how it was expected to sound and that is very soulful and authentic, even if it can be argued that it is also contrived. Classic Prince! I have no doubt Prince still wanted to rule the rooster and that is why songs like Raspberry Beret and Pop Life were two of the catchiest pop songs he had written at that time. It's a shame it didn't sell anywhere near as well as Purple Rain. It had all the ingredients, as I suggested in my initial post. check you out  "Climb in my fur." | |
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Anji said: I also don't visualise Around The World In A Day as necessarily having any less commercial appeal than Purple Rain. Raspberry Beret and Pop Life are just as catchy as I Would Die 4 U and Take Me With You. America packs as much punch as Let's Go Crazy. Paisley Park is just as complex and classic as When Doves Cry. Even The Ladder could have been sold as 1985's Purple Rain. I totally agree. I think had ATWIAD had not come right after PR, it would've beeen a bigger comercial success. ~KiKi | |
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lovebizzare said: In fact, I think of Purple Rain as "1999 pt.2"---if that makes any sense
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Anji said: lovebizzare said: In fact, I think of Purple Rain as "1999 pt.2"---if that makes any sense
what's shocking about that, anji? ~KiKi | |
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With Purple Rain prince had to make changes to the duration of the songs on the album to fit the format of a "soundtrack" album which meant shorter punchier songs. So do you think ATWIAD was maybe a two finger salute after having to make concessions for the Purple Rain album? Just like RD said ATWIAD is a blatant self conscious attempt at doing something polar opposite to PR. Purple Rain in it's original format was a brilliantly realised complex album which was watered down somewhat for the public. It was still fantastic but a lot of it's majestic scope was lost through the edits. | |
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lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: In fact, I think of Purple Rain as "1999 pt.2"---if that makes any sense
what's shocking about that, anji? 
Whilst I expect there to be notable changes in sound and vibe between Prince's 80s records, perhaps the biggest shift was the transition from 1999 to Purple Rain. He left the holy funk trinity of Dirty Mind-Controversy-1999 and the music world was swept away with the rock 'n' roll of Purple Rain. That is beyond classic Prince! | |
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WildheartXXX said: With Purple Rain prince had to make changes to the duration of the songs on the album to fit the format of a "soundtrack" album which meant shorter punchier songs.
I actually think the very essence of Purple Rain's music was captured perfectly through the album. That is what is so great about it, every song is crafted to it's core spirit.
Purple Rain in it's original format was a brilliantly realised complex album which was watered down somewhat for the public. It was still fantastic but a lot of it's majestic scope was lost through the edits. Part of the problem with so much of 90s Prince is that very successful editing and quality control process took a back seat for what could and should have been mainstream albums. Emancipation, for example. | |
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 there are too many good threads in this forum these days... just when I am forced into a sabbatical! y'all suck!
I'll back back tho... ...where are my keys? . [This message was edited Sat Mar 8 20:52:19 PST 2003 by NuPwrSoul] "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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Anji said: lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: In fact, I think of Purple Rain as "1999 pt.2"---if that makes any sense
what's shocking about that, anji? Well, I think with 1999 he finally started getting/asking for group input, so the "revolution sound" can be heard on most of 1999, and can be heard on all of Purple Rain. With 1999 he also fullly got in touch with his rock side with songs like "litlle red corvette" and "free", to me "let's go crazy" sounds very simmilar to LRC and "purple rain" sounds very simmilar to "free". I don't exactly know how to say it, but to me the songs on 1999 mirror the songs on Purple Rain. As I've said before, 1999[i] was reallly the first Revolution album, the "revolution sound" kinda peaked on [i]1999 and came full circle on Purple Rain. 1999 was also the first album/era to focus on the color purple, which once again came full circle on Purple Rain. So to me Purple Rain was the extention/sequel to 1999. Certain things had become introduced with 1999 and were carried over to Purple Rain. So that's my take on it. ~KiKi | |
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lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: In fact, I think of Purple Rain as "1999 pt.2"---if that makes any sense
what's shocking about that, anji? Well, I think with 1999 he finally started getting/asking for group input, so the "revolution sound" can be heard on most of 1999, and can be heard on all of Purple Rain. With 1999 he also fullly got in touch with his rock side with songs like "litlle red corvette" and "free", to me "let's go crazy" sounds very simmilar to LRC and "purple rain" sounds very simmilar to "free". I don't exactly know how to say it, but to me the songs on 1999 mirror the songs on Purple Rain. As I've said before, 1999[i] was reallly the first Revolution album, the "revolution sound" kinda peaked on [i]1999 and came full circle on Purple Rain. 1999 was also the first album/era to focus on the color purple, which once again came full circle on Purple Rain. So to me Purple Rain was the extention/sequel to 1999. Certain things had become introduced with 1999 and were carried over to Purple Rain. So that's my take on it. I think it's time to listen to Neon Rendezvous. | |
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I think of it as Prince's Sgt. Pepper's album... its simular in many levels:) | |
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As long as Prince himself controlled and decided the direction ATWIAD would go into (for whatever reasons), he IS true to himself. | |
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BTW, who is to say what a "natural progression" from PR to ATWIAD is?
Though it's nice to discuss, these kind of threads would make Prince do this: 
while other threads would clearly make him do this: 
what is exactly what I do with this edit... [This message was edited Sun Mar 9 4:49:11 PST 2003 by calldapplwondery83] | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: BTW, who is to say what a "natural progression" from PR to ATWIAD is?
It's just a discussion with different viewpoints.Though it's nice to discuss, these kind of threads would make Prince do this: | |
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Most of ATWIAD was recorded before Purple Rain
went Mega. Prince knew PR was gonna be big (though even he might have been surprised at just HOW big it was), and he knew what he wanted the follow up album to sound like. Initially, Prince wasn't going to release any singles from ATWIAD. It was gonna be a stand alone album to tide him over until the 'proper' follow up to PR was made. ATWIAD was going to be an interesting detour, nothing more... But both he & WB were so pleased with the end result that he changed his mind and decided to fully support the album with singles & videos. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Most of ATWIAD was recorded before Purple Rain
went Mega. Prince knew PR was gonna be big (though even he might have been surprised at just HOW big it was), and he knew what he wanted the follow up album to sound like. Initially, Prince wasn't going to release any singles from ATWIAD. It was gonna be a stand alone album to tide him over until the 'proper' follow up to PR was made. ATWIAD was going to be an interesting detour, nothing more... But both he & WB were so pleased with the end result that he changed his mind and decided to fully support the album with singles & videos. Thanks for the info, Boris! | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Most of ATWIAD was recorded before Purple Rain
went Mega. Prince knew PR was gonna be big (though even he might have been surprised at just HOW big it was), and he knew what he wanted the follow up album to sound like. Initially, Prince wasn't going to release any singles from ATWIAD. It was gonna be a stand alone album to tide him over until the 'proper' follow up to PR was made. ATWIAD was going to be an interesting detour, nothing more... But both he & WB were so pleased with the end result that he changed his mind and decided to fully support the album with singles & videos. Whilst it's common knowledge that Prince did not initially want to release any singles off ATWIAD, it is interesting to observe that the 12'-inch versions of said singles actually give the impression that their release was intended from the very beginning, like Prince had an ace up his sleeve or something. Just check out the extended versions of 'America', 'Pop Life' and 'Paisley Park' as well as their respective b-sides like 'She's Always In My Hair' and 'Hello'. There is a great deal of recorded material here and none of this sounds rush-recorded. Does this mean none of the above material would have seen the light of day if Prince hadn't changed his mind? . "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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giotto said: BorisFishpaw said: Most of ATWIAD was recorded before Purple Rain
went Mega. Prince knew PR was gonna be big (though even he might have been surprised at just HOW big it was), and he knew what he wanted the follow up album to sound like. Initially, Prince wasn't going to release any singles from ATWIAD. It was gonna be a stand alone album to tide him over until the 'proper' follow up to PR was made. ATWIAD was going to be an interesting detour, nothing more... But both he & WB were so pleased with the end result that he changed his mind and decided to fully support the album with singles & videos. Whilst it's common knowledge that Prince did not initially want to release any singles off ATWIAD, it is interesting to observe that the 12'-inch versions of said singles actually give the impression that their release was intended from the very beginning, like Prince had an ace up his sleeve or something. Just check out the extended versions of 'America', 'Pop Life' and 'Paisley Park' as well as their respective b-sides like 'She's Always In My Hair' and 'Hello'. There is a great deal of recorded material here and none of this sounds rush-recorded. Does this mean none of the above material would have seen the light of day if Prince hadn't changed his mind? . Not nesessarily, the 12" versions are merely the full length recordings of the songs (sort of...mostly), before he edited them so they'd fit on a single album. 1999 was his exercise in not editing his songs, and he didn't intend to do another album of long unedited songs. If Prince had decided to go with his initial plan, and not release any singles from ATWIAD, then I don't think we'd ever have heard the 12" versions (except on bootleg). I expect a lot of the b-sides would have been used as b-sides to tracks on his next album. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Not nesessarily, the 12" versions are merely the full length recordings of the songs (sort of...mostly), before he edited them so they'd fit on a single album. 1999 was his exercise in not editing his songs, and he didn't intend to do another album of long unedited songs.
If Prince had decided to go with his initial plan, and not release any singles from ATWIAD, then I don't think we'd ever have heard the 12" versions (except on bootleg). I expect a lot of the b-sides would have been used as b-sides to tracks on his next album. Which really goes to show just how much of the material Prince released during this period was mostly the result of editing here and there, the 'Purple Rain' album being no exception. I for one am glad he changed his mind. . "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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giotto said: BorisFishpaw said: Not nesessarily, the 12" versions are merely the full length recordings of the songs (sort of...mostly), before he edited them so they'd fit on a single album. 1999 was his exercise in not editing his songs, and he didn't intend to do another album of long unedited songs.
If Prince had decided to go with his initial plan, and not release any singles from ATWIAD, then I don't think we'd ever have heard the 12" versions (except on bootleg). I expect a lot of the b-sides would have been used as b-sides to tracks on his next album. Which really goes to show just how much of the material Prince released during this period was mostly the result of editing here and there, the 'Purple Rain' album being no exception. I for one am glad he changed his mind. Yeah, me too. If only he'd released 'Computer Blue' as a single or b-side in '84, so we could've had the long version on 12". | |
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BorisFishpaw said: giotto said: BorisFishpaw said: Not nesessarily, the 12" versions are merely the full length recordings of the songs (sort of...mostly), before he edited them so they'd fit on a single album. 1999 was his exercise in not editing his songs, and he didn't intend to do another album of long unedited songs.
If Prince had decided to go with his initial plan, and not release any singles from ATWIAD, then I don't think we'd ever have heard the 12" versions (except on bootleg). I expect a lot of the b-sides would have been used as b-sides to tracks on his next album. Which really goes to show just how much of the material Prince released during this period was mostly the result of editing here and there, the 'Purple Rain' album being no exception. I for one am glad he changed his mind. Yeah, me too. If only he'd released 'Computer Blue' as a single or b-side in '84, so we could've had the long version on 12". Which version of 'Computer Blue' do you specifically have in mind, Boris? . "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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giotto said: BorisFishpaw said: giotto said: BorisFishpaw said: Not nesessarily, the 12" versions are merely the full length recordings of the songs (sort of...mostly), before he edited them so they'd fit on a single album. 1999 was his exercise in not editing his songs, and he didn't intend to do another album of long unedited songs.
If Prince had decided to go with his initial plan, and not release any singles from ATWIAD, then I don't think we'd ever have heard the 12" versions (except on bootleg). I expect a lot of the b-sides would have been used as b-sides to tracks on his next album. Which really goes to show just how much of the material Prince released during this period was mostly the result of editing here and there, the 'Purple Rain' album being no exception. I for one am glad he changed his mind. Yeah, me too. If only he'd released 'Computer Blue' as a single or b-side in '84, so we could've had the long version on 12". Which version of 'Computer Blue' do you specifically have in mind, Boris? . Just the full length unedited version of the LP take (11:30ish...or 12:26 if you include all the feedback) | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Just the full length unedited version of the LP take (11:30ish...or 12:26 if you include all the feedback)
I love hearing all that feedback! It's interesting to note that the longer versions of 'Computer Blue' are the most difficult ones to get. It took me ages to finally track down a decent sounding copy of 'Computer Blue'#3, officially the longest Sunset Sound version there is. Longer still is the St. Louis Park warehouse demo. That one clocks in at around 13:28 mins! . "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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giotto said: BorisFishpaw said: Just the full length unedited version of the LP take (11:30ish...or 12:26 if you include all the feedback)
I love hearing all that feedback! It's interesting to note that the longer versions of 'Computer Blue' are the most difficult ones to get. It took me ages to finally track down a decent sounding copy of 'Computer Blue'#3, officially the longest Sunset Sound version there is. Longer still is the St. Louis Park warehouse demo. That one clocks in at around 13:28 mins! . There are clean copies?!  Man...I got mine back in the cassette days...yechhhFear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: giotto said: BorisFishpaw said: Just the full length unedited version of the LP take (11:30ish...or 12:26 if you include all the feedback)
I love hearing all that feedback! It's interesting to note that the longer versions of 'Computer Blue' are the most difficult ones to get. It took me ages to finally track down a decent sounding copy of 'Computer Blue'#3, officially the longest Sunset Sound version there is. Longer still is the St. Louis Park warehouse demo. That one clocks in at around 13:28 mins! . There are clean copies?! Man...I got mine back in the cassette days...yechhh | |
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Anji said: lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: In fact, I think of Purple Rain as "1999 pt.2"---if that makes any sense
what's shocking about that, anji? Well, I think with 1999 he finally started getting/asking for group input, so the "revolution sound" can be heard on most of 1999, and can be heard on all of Purple Rain. With 1999 he also fullly got in touch with his rock side with songs like "litlle red corvette" and "free", to me "let's go crazy" sounds very simmilar to LRC and "purple rain" sounds very simmilar to "free". I don't exactly know how to say it, but to me the songs on 1999 mirror the songs on Purple Rain. As I've said before, 1999[i] was reallly the first Revolution album, the "revolution sound" kinda peaked on [i]1999 and came full circle on Purple Rain. 1999 was also the first album/era to focus on the color purple, which once again came full circle on Purple Rain. So to me Purple Rain was the extention/sequel to 1999. Certain things had become introduced with 1999 and were carried over to Purple Rain. So that's my take on it. I think it's time to listen to Neon Rendezvous. huh? ~KiKi | |
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lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: Anji said: lovebizzare said: In fact, I think of Purple Rain as "1999 pt.2"---if that makes any sense
what's shocking about that, anji? Well, I think with 1999 he finally started getting/asking for group input, so the "revolution sound" can be heard on most of 1999, and can be heard on all of Purple Rain. With 1999 he also fullly got in touch with his rock side with songs like "litlle red corvette" and "free", to me "let's go crazy" sounds very simmilar to LRC and "purple rain" sounds very simmilar to "free". I don't exactly know how to say it, but to me the songs on 1999 mirror the songs on Purple Rain. As I've said before, 1999[i] was reallly the first Revolution album, the "revolution sound" kinda peaked on [i]1999 and came full circle on Purple Rain. 1999 was also the first album/era to focus on the color purple, which once again came full circle on Purple Rain. So to me Purple Rain was the extention/sequel to 1999. Certain things had become introduced with 1999 and were carried over to Purple Rain. So that's my take on it. I think it's time to listen to Neon Rendezvous. huh? | |
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