Giovanni777 said:

Adria said:

Hey, Giovanni, I get what you are saying. I've downloaded a ton of music from artists that I just plain like. But if it's an artist that I love, I do prefer a "hard copy." Something tangible that I can tourch and look at, collect. It's like with books. I put a lot of books on my Kindle, but if its a story line that I'm really into, and want to have forever, store on my book shelf, look at, etc., I buy an actual book.

Digital music (and books) is convenient, fast, easy. Sometimes you just want the real thing.

Agreed. I only download stuff for a preview of something to hear if I want to buy it in physical form.

I do the same thing. First I download and listen to new stuff of "new" artists and when I like it, I buy a physical copy.

I listen a lot to music in my car. I don't mind listen to Mp3 then, because there is so much noise around, it doesn't matter that the soundquality is less.

At home I listen to CD's, so I do want a physical copy of the new Prince gems.

But for now I am happy with the Mp3's

Graycap23 said:

Giovanni777 said:

Teddy Riley in tha house! Party ain't ovah... just ain't started yet.

Hey Gray.

I've been wondering how you feel about this turn of events.

Not happy about the "digital" releases. I'm pretty much in line with your comments.

If I know Prince though....................these or some other material will show up on an official cd.

Really? C-NOTE appeared on CD? Slaughterhouse? Chocloate Invasion? Xpectation?

I'd say this $.88 cent stuff is financing the cost (2 some degree) of the official release coming down the road.

I thought he was "number one at the bank"?

lombard said:

Giovanni777 said:

Agreed. I only download stuff for a preview of something to hear if I want to buy it in physical form.

I do the same thing. First I download and listen to new stuff of "new" artists and when I like it, I buy a physical copy.

I listen a lot to music in my car. I don't mind listen to Mp3 then, because there is so much noise around, it doesn't matter that the soundquality is less.

At home I listen to CD's, so I do want a physical copy of the new Prince gems.

But for now I am happy with the Mp3's

But what about the recent wav releases, CD equivalent in quality. Are you happy with those are do you still want the physical?

rdhull said:

. Having a music collection of just digital music is like owning air to me.

That's because you're getting old, gotta embrace the new

As long as the quality is high enough, and that means a minimum of 320k mp3, then it's fine for me. Wav or flac is better but digital or physical is the same to me. All physical media I buy gets ripped to a NAS device and stuck in a box. I'd be swamped by CD, DVD and Blu-Ray cases without my network storage! I keep the originals in case of catastrophic failure but otherwise they are out the way.

I have spent more dollars on worse sounding (bootleg) material so I cant bother about quality anymore

TheEnglishGent said:

lombard said:

I do the same thing. First I download and listen to new stuff of "new" artists and when I like it, I buy a physical copy.

I listen a lot to music in my car. I don't mind listen to Mp3 then, because there is so much noise around, it doesn't matter that the soundquality is less.

At home I listen to CD's, so I do want a physical copy of the new Prince gems.

But for now I am happy with the Mp3's

But what about the recent wav releases, CD equivalent in quality. Are you happy with those are do you still want the physical?

I would still like a physical copy with a nice booklet and lyrics.

I am kinda old fashioned

The funny thing is, that i haven't played the new tracks at home on my stereo yet.

I only listen to them in my car and on my computer.

I am sure that if i have a CD i would listen to it on my stereo.

errant said:

Personally, I hope he never releases another physical product. I don't need more shit cluttering up my life. Plus it really irritates these dinosaurs who haven't figured out that music is recorded to sound like shit these days and the bitrate of the end product is almost entirely irrelevant when no one knows how to mix and master music any more.

Errant. Please stop insulting me. I'm a musician and an audio engineer.

You keep on confusing audio compression with digital data compression.

Yes, I do agree that most stuff sounds terrible these days.

RRA said:

To all those whiney about physical releases....tell me something people.

After you buy said CDs, do you then upload them onto the computer for your little music playing device or whatever?

If so, then shut up. Seriously you're defeating your own argument.

Last time... No, I don't. I listen through a proper stereo system.

I think your standards are out of whack. For instance:

*I will only drive Ferraris, Lamborghinis or Bentleys, or certain classic muscle cars

*I will ony buy custom-tailored clothes, and my suits must come straight from Saville Row

*I will only fly on a G-III or higher

*I will only travel to/live in places where the temperature varies between 68.13 degrees and 77.04 degrees

*Unless I go skiing, in which case I will only ski under conditions of a minimum 48-inch base and 12 inches minimum of powder

*Or unless I go to the beach, in which case I cannot divulge my standards on a PG-13 website

*I will only read first-edition books that have been signed by the author. This includes my Bible

*I don't always drink beer but when I do, I only drink Dos Equus

As you can see, I am a somewhat discriminating man. And yet, I will happily buy great music at a cheap price from my favorite artist of all time.

RodeoSchro said:

*I will only drive Ferraris, Lamborghinis or Bentleys, or certain classic muscle cars

*I will ony buy custom-tailored clothes, and my suits must come straight from Saville Row

*I will only fly on a G-III or higher

*I will only travel to/live in places where the temperature varies between 68.13 degrees and 77.04 degrees

*Unless I go skiing, in which case I will only ski under conditions of a minimum 48-inch base and 12 inches minimum of powder

*Or unless I go to the beach, in which case I cannot divulge my standards on a PG-13 website

*I will only read first-edition books that have been signed by the author. This includes my Bible

Stay out of my business......................

I get where Giovanni's coming from. While excited over the new releases, I hope I won't have to miss the anticipation of a new Prince CD/vinyl coming to me through the mail. While I embrace his digital venture right now, I still hope these songs and a few more will be available on a real CD. I'm not an audiophile(spelling?), so my preference toward a physical medium leans more toward the idea of actual ownership of a product, as well as its artwork.

I'll still stick around and buy what he/Prince uploades to his site, hoping that CD/vinyl will eventually get produced and sold, but I miss the days of all my excitement of getting his stuff in a store or waiting for it to come by mail ordering online.

Giovanni, I enjoy reading your posts. I already read you won't be disappearing from the Org, but I hope you still frequent this "home away from home" for us Prince fans.

Purpleaxxe1972 said:

I get where Giovanni's coming from. While excited over the new releases, I hope I won't have to miss the anticipation of a new Prince CD/vinyl coming to me through the mail. While I embrace his digital venture right now, I still hope these songs and a few more will be available on a real CD. I'm not an audiophile(spelling?), so my preference toward a physical medium leans more toward the idea of actual ownership of a product, as well as its artwork.

I'll still stick around and buy what he/Prince uploades to his site, hoping that CD/vinyl will eventually get produced and sold, but I miss the days of all my excitement of getting his stuff in a store or waiting for it to come by mail ordering online.

Giovanni, I enjoy reading your posts. I already read you won't be disappearing from the Org, but I hope you still frequent this "home away from home" for us Prince fans.

Thanks, Purpleaxxe1972. The part above that I bolded explains why even WAV files aren't enough for me.

Although I don't like what itunes has done to audio (and the album format), I don't judge others for subscribing to it.

RodeoSchro said:

I think your standards are out of whack. For instance:

*I will only drive Ferraris, Lamborghinis or Bentleys, or certain classic muscle cars

*I will ony buy custom-tailored clothes, and my suits must come straight from Saville Row

*I will only fly on a G-III or higher

*I will only travel to/live in places where the temperature varies between 68.13 degrees and 77.04 degrees

*Unless I go skiing, in which case I will only ski under conditions of a minimum 48-inch base and 12 inches minimum of powder

*Or unless I go to the beach, in which case I cannot divulge my standards on a PG-13 website

*I will only read first-edition books that have been signed by the author. This includes my Bible

*I don't always drink beer but when I do, I only drink Dos Equus

As you can see, I am a somewhat discriminating man. And yet, I will happily buy great music at a cheap price from my favorite artist of all time.

You know nothing of my standards, and they are quite simple.

I eat unrefined, mostly organic high quality food.

~Am I "out of whack" because I don't eat McDonald's food?

I have diverse taste in music, and also prefer high quality performance and recording.

~Am I "out of whack" because I've spent my entire life in music and audio, and have high standards in my field?

I will play any guitar, bass, or synth/keyboard that feels and sounds good to me.

~Am I "out of whack" because I own and play other guitars besides Fender, Gibson, and Paul Reed Smith?

Giovanni777 said:

RodeoSchro said:

I think your standards are out of whack. For instance:

*I will only drive Ferraris, Lamborghinis or Bentleys, or certain classic muscle cars

*I will ony buy custom-tailored clothes, and my suits must come straight from Saville Row

*I will only fly on a G-III or higher

*I will only travel to/live in places where the temperature varies between 68.13 degrees and 77.04 degrees

*Unless I go skiing, in which case I will only ski under conditions of a minimum 48-inch base and 12 inches minimum of powder

*Or unless I go to the beach, in which case I cannot divulge my standards on a PG-13 website

*I will only read first-edition books that have been signed by the author. This includes my Bible

*I don't always drink beer but when I do, I only drink Dos Equus

As you can see, I am a somewhat discriminating man. And yet, I will happily buy great music at a cheap price from my favorite artist of all time.

You know nothing of my standards, and they are quite simple.

I eat unrefined, mostly organic high quality food.

~Am I "out of whack" because I don't eat McDonald's food?

I have diverse taste in music, and also prefer high quality performance and recording.

~Am I "out of whack" because I've spent my entire life in music and audio, and have high standards in my field?

I will play any guitar, bass, or synth/keyboard that feels and sounds good to me.

~Am I "out of whack" because I own and play other guitars besides Fender, Gibson, and Paul Reed Smith?

U are NOT allowed your own opinion.............I thought u knew.

Giovanni777 said:

Purpleaxxe1972 said:

I get where Giovanni's coming from. While excited over the new releases, I hope I won't have to miss the anticipation of a new Prince CD/vinyl coming to me through the mail. While I embrace his digital venture right now, I still hope these songs and a few more will be available on a real CD. I'm not an audiophile(spelling?), so my preference toward a physical medium leans more toward the idea of actual ownership of a product, as well as its artwork.

I'll still stick around and buy what he/Prince uploades to his site, hoping that CD/vinyl will eventually get produced and sold, but I miss the days of all my excitement of getting his stuff in a store or waiting for it to come by mail ordering online.

Giovanni, I enjoy reading your posts. I already read you won't be disappearing from the Org, but I hope you still frequent this "home away from home" for us Prince fans.

Thanks, Purpleaxxe1972. The part above that I bolded explains why even WAV files aren't enough for me.

Although I don't like what itunes has done to audio (and the album format), I don't judge others for subscribing to it.

My hope is that since the site asks for an address, that once a certain amount of songs are purchased by an individual, a CD shows up in the mail. It's probably a pipe dream but one can hope.

Graycap23 said:

Giovanni777 said:

You know nothing of my standards, and they are quite simple.

I eat unrefined, mostly organic high quality food.

~Am I "out of whack" because I don't eat McDonald's food?

I have diverse taste in music, and also prefer high quality performance and recording.

~Am I "out of whack" because I've spent my entire life in music and audio, and have high standards in my field?

I will play any guitar, bass, or synth/keyboard that feels and sounds good to me.

~Am I "out of whack" because I own and play other guitars besides Fender, Gibson, and Paul Reed Smith?

U are NOT allowed your own opinion.............I thought u knew.

Too true, Gray, but it's all good ultimately...

Didn't people say the same thing when the cd took over the vinyl record? That they only would buy the vinyl?

Now people only want the cd instead of a digital track....

robertlove said:

Didn't people say the same thing when the cd took over the vinyl record? That they only would buy the vinyl?

Now people only want the cd instead of a digital track....

There is a big diffrence between having a commodity in your hand and something digital which is basically nothing.

Giovanni777 said:

errant said:

Giovanni777 said:

Errant. Please stop insulting me. I'm a musician and an audio engineer.

You keep on confusing audio compression with digital data compression.

Yes, I do agree that most stuff sounds terrible these days.

He records digitally.

Most of the time yes, although I know for a fact that both Rainbow Children and Superconductor were recorded to 2" tape before mix and mastering.

But this has nothing to do with the difference between audio compression and file compression.

The reason for the trend of excessive audio compression is as dire as the result... it's so the music can be comfortably heard on earbuds and lesser/smaller computer speakers.

Now it is such that even the music itself (most current rap, pop, & R&B) has no dynamics (even before compression).

It's funny, because the first two things you learn in audio production are to be subtle with both EQ and compression.

Giovanni777 said:

errant said:

Giovanni777 said: He records digitally.

Most of the time yes, although I know for a fact that both Rainbow Children and Superconductor were recorded to 2" tape before mix and mastering.

But this has nothing to do with the difference between audio compression and file compression.

The reason for the trend of excessive audio compression is as dire as the result... it's so the music can be comfortably heard on earbuds and lesser/smaller computer speakers.

Now it is such that even the music itself (most current rap, pop, & R&B) has no dynamics (even before compression).

It's funny, because the first two things you learn in audio production are to be subtle with both EQ and compression.

Lol............if u have 2 bother 2 explain this.............

Giovanni777 said:

RodeoSchro said:

I think your standards are out of whack. For instance:

*I will only drive Ferraris, Lamborghinis or Bentleys, or certain classic muscle cars

*I will ony buy custom-tailored clothes, and my suits must come straight from Saville Row

*I will only fly on a G-III or higher

*I will only travel to/live in places where the temperature varies between 68.13 degrees and 77.04 degrees

*Unless I go skiing, in which case I will only ski under conditions of a minimum 48-inch base and 12 inches minimum of powder

*Or unless I go to the beach, in which case I cannot divulge my standards on a PG-13 website

*I will only read first-edition books that have been signed by the author. This includes my Bible

*I don't always drink beer but when I do, I only drink Dos Equus

As you can see, I am a somewhat discriminating man. And yet, I will happily buy great music at a cheap price from my favorite artist of all time.

You know nothing of my standards, and they are quite simple.

I eat unrefined, mostly organic high quality food.

~Am I "out of whack" because I don't eat McDonald's food?

I have diverse taste in music, and also prefer high quality performance and recording.

~Am I "out of whack" because I've spent my entire life in music and audio, and have high standards in my field?

I will play any guitar, bass, or synth/keyboard that feels and sounds good to me.

~Am I "out of whack" because I own and play other guitars besides Fender, Gibson, and Paul Reed Smith?

No, you're out of whack because your sense of humor is totally undeveloped.

Carry on!

Graycap23 said:

RodeoSchro said:

*I will only drive Ferraris, Lamborghinis or Bentleys, or certain classic muscle cars

*I will ony buy custom-tailored clothes, and my suits must come straight from Saville Row

*I will only fly on a G-III or higher

*I will only travel to/live in places where the temperature varies between 68.13 degrees and 77.04 degrees

*Unless I go skiing, in which case I will only ski under conditions of a minimum 48-inch base and 12 inches minimum of powder

*Or unless I go to the beach, in which case I cannot divulge my standards on a PG-13 website

*I will only read first-edition books that have been signed by the author. This includes my Bible

Stay out of my business......................

LOL, I knew YOU would get it! Please explain it to Giovanni!

RodeoSchro said:

Giovanni777 said:

You know nothing of my standards, and they are quite simple.

I eat unrefined, mostly organic high quality food.

~Am I "out of whack" because I don't eat McDonald's food?

I have diverse taste in music, and also prefer high quality performance and recording.

~Am I "out of whack" because I've spent my entire life in music and audio, and have high standards in my field?

I will play any guitar, bass, or synth/keyboard that feels and sounds good to me.

~Am I "out of whack" because I own and play other guitars besides Fender, Gibson, and Paul Reed Smith?

No, you're out of whack because your sense of humor is totally undeveloped.

Carry on!

Sorry, but wrong again... humour is key, and I've got plenty.

What baffles me, is that I haven't felt this animosity/prejudgment thing from you before...

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

Stay out of my business......................

LOL, I knew YOU would get it! Please explain it to Giovanni!

Wow. Divide and conquer mentality in full effect.

Gray and I are on the same page, and I "got it" too... it was just completely irrelevant, even in a humourous context.

Giovanni777 said:

RodeoSchro said:

No, you're out of whack because your sense of humor is totally undeveloped.

Carry on!

Sorry, but wrong again... humour is key, and I've got plenty.

What baffles me, is that I haven't felt this animosity/prejudgment thing from you before...

The only animosity is that you aren't getting my jokes! Now, come on - I know I'm funny! The line about only reading signed first-edition books - including the Bible? That's gold, man! Gold!

And, it does seem like you're being a bit of an attention whore on this.

But mainly I'm just bummed that you are missing out on some GREAT Prince music. I want you to hear it!

And I knew Gray would get the joke, especially the line about only riding on a G-III or higher.

Graycap23 said:

robertlove said:

Didn't people say the same thing when the cd took over the vinyl record? That they only would buy the vinyl?

Now people only want the cd instead of a digital track....

There is a big diffrence between having a commodity in your hand and something digital which is basically nothing.

For collectors.

The commodity is the music for the fans. Scientifically, a Wav file on a cd is no different than a Wav file on a hard drive. Sales of digital music has started to surpass cd sales.

Giovanni777 said:

Giovanni777 said:

errant said:

Giovanni777 said: He records digitally.

Most of the time yes, although I know for a fact that both Rainbow Children and Superconductor were recorded to 2" tape before mix and mastering.

But this has nothing to do with the difference between audio compression and file compression.

The reason for the trend of excessive audio compression is as dire as the result... it's so the music can be comfortably heard on earbuds and lesser/smaller computer speakers.

Now it is such that even the music itself (most current rap, pop, & R&B) has no dynamics (even before compression).

It's funny, because the first two things you learn in audio production are to be subtle with both EQ and compression.

All true. Some don't seem to understand that this isn't an issue with Prince, this is an issue with the recording industry and their current "standards". It's shameful.

What I don't get is that people go crazy for higher quality video with HD TVs and Bluray but accept increasingly bad quality for audio with earbuds and compressed audio.