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soladeo1

Will Prince join Clive Davis' New Label?????

Saw in an entertainment article is this morning's paper that Prince attended Clive Davis' innaugural record label party for J Records. We was given a standing ovation!!

It makes me wonder what he is up to???!!!

What do you all think?

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Reply #1 posted 02/24/03 7:33am

BorisFishpaw

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It would be great if he could sign a more open contract that both he and the record company were happy with. Until he get's on board with a proper label again, we won't see proper regular releases on the highstreets or commercial success.
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Reply #2 posted 02/24/03 8:09am

Batdance

How long ago was this inaugural party? Hasn't J Records been around for over a year now?

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Reply #3 posted 02/24/03 8:31am

NuPwrSoul

I dunno, but I thought they weren't on the best of terms. Wasn't "Golden Parachute" about Clive's departure from Arista? That song wasn't too complimentary to whomever it was about.
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Reply #4 posted 02/24/03 9:11am

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NuPwrSoul said:

I dunno, but I thought they weren't on the best of terms. Wasn't "Golden Parachute" about Clive's departure from Arista? That song wasn't too complimentary to whomever it was about.
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I thought Prince wasn't too happy with the promotion of Rave. I can't recall where I read it, but P basically commented on how Clive Davis/Arista kind of pulled the promotion on the album prematurely when they felt that it wasnt gonna sell well. The argument was something to the extent of Clive Davis not living up to his promises to promote the project wholeheartedly.
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Reply #5 posted 02/24/03 9:25am

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Tom said:[/quote]

I thought Prince wasn't too happy with the promotion of Rave. I can't recall where I read it, but P basically commented on how Clive Davis/Arista kind of pulled the promotion on the album prematurely when they felt that it wasnt gonna sell well. The argument was something to the extent of Clive Davis not living up to his promises to promote the project wholeheartedly.[/quote]

Yes...and there was even a "news" item posted on the then-official website (which I think was npgonlineltd.com) about how videos are expensive, and until Arista did their part to promote the album and the first single, there would be no more videos shot for the album. Anyone else remember this?
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Reply #6 posted 02/24/03 9:28am

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me doubts it.


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Reply #7 posted 02/24/03 9:31am

JC

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What
Nonsense
rolleyes
Clive
wouldn't
be
seen
anywhere
near
Prince
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Reply #8 posted 02/24/03 9:37am

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JC said:

What
Nonsense
rolleyes
Clive
wouldn't
be
seen
anywhere
near
Prince


Actually, there have been several photos of the two of them together, very touchy-feely in fact, plastered all over the media circa 1999.

No doubt someone will post one soon.

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Reply #9 posted 02/24/03 10:01am

lwr001

I saw in the paper this morning taht Prince did indeed attend this years (2003) J records party as a guest of Clive Davis. Although Prince had some choice words regarding Clive, Clive has alsways stated taht he would still love to work with Prince
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Reply #10 posted 02/24/03 10:05am

JC

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giotto said:

JC said:

What
Nonsense
rolleyes
Clive
wouldn't
be
seen
anywhere
near
Prince


Actually, there have been several photos of the two of them together, very touchy-feely in fact, plastered all over the media circa 1999.

No doubt someone will post one soon.

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Circa
NOW
Clive
is
back
on
Top
and
wouldn't
be
caught
dead
near P
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Reply #11 posted 02/24/03 11:57am

lwr001

Well I guess Clive Davis is dead. Not only was he in Clives presence the night before last; when Clive Davis introduced him from the stage he( Prince) received a standing ovation from I'm sure some of teh most jaded people in the business.


Clive Davis Rocks New York With Spectacular Show Feb 23





The Grammy Awards are tonight, but they're going to have to be awfully incredible to top Clive Davis' annual gala. The unbelievable mix of A-list diners and top-notch entertainment converged at the Regent Wall Street ballroom in the midst of some of the heaviest security seen in New York to date. (There were actually attack dogs and camouflaged soldiers with machine guns.)

But the only explosions were metaphorical ones -- and no guns were needed. Aretha Franklin proved that she's still the Queen of Soul, delivering a buttery version of "It's My Turn" and a raucous "Think" with Alicia Keys on keyboards. (The 22-year-old Keys, looking sensational in a red silk dress, had no time to rehearse but joined Aretha like a pro.) Rod Stewart wowed the audience with two tunes from his hit standards album from J Records, using surprise guest Lou Reed on Sam Cooke's "Havin' a Party."

And that's what Clive Davis was doing: having the biggest party of his life to celebrate his status as the record industry's premiere showman. No one does it like Clive, who this year had newly-elevated Sony Music exec Don Ienner (Tommy Mottola's successor) introduce him -- a superior move on the chessboard of the record biz. Ienner now rises in his own company's estimation as his two superiors, Andy Lack and Sir Howard Stringer, were right there to watch it happen.

There was, of course, the usual flood of famous faces that first went to a building across the street from 55 Wall for cocktails and photo ops. Then the whole gang of 800 marched through a covered tent that crossed Wall Street into the Regent. Among the glittering: Aretha, Rod, Carly Simon, Keys, Reed, Usher, Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty, Marisa Berenson, Kid Rock, Kim Cattrall, P. Diddy, Naomi Campbell, Andre Harrell, Kelly Rowland, producer Jimmy Jam Harris, Phil Ramone and all the members of 'N Sync -- Justin, Lance, JC, Chris and Joey. Even American Idol star Kelly Clarkson was there.

But did I mention Sharon Osbourne with Kelly and Jack? This extraordinary woman, who has had a bad time of it this year, looks fantastic and, by the way, is full of life. She is also the funniest thing on two feet. A real trouper!

Stewart told me he was anxious to do the sequel album to his American Songbook and was already working on new versions of old songs like "Skylark."

"Now that I have the confidence I'm going to do really hard songs," he told me.

When his manager introduced this reporter to Rod as "the one who reported you fell asleep on Penny (Lancaster, his 5'10" girlfriend) three years ago here," Stewart didn't even blink.

"And why not?" he said. "She has an ample bosom."

During his performance with Reed, Stewart high-kicked and strutted as if it were 1971 and he was singing "Stay With Me" with the Faces. Apparently, he is unsinkable.

Prince slinked in late with several bodyguards, took a seat and said nothing to anyone all night. When Davis introduced him from the stage, the musical genius got a standing ovation. This prompted Sharon Osbourne, who couldn't see him due to his vertical challenge, to shout out, "Where is he? Where is that little Prince?" in her best cockney accent. I don't know if she ever got to meet him, but she tried.

There were also folks from the non-music side: Bryant Gumbel (who chatted about golf with MTV's Carson Daly), romance author Danielle Steel with her three beautiful daughters; CBS's Les Moonves; as well as Howard Stern with girlfriend Beth, Evander Holyfield, Oscar-winner Faye Dunaway, Denise Rich and Martha Stewart. The latter ventured out twice yesterday to Grammy events and was met with a lot of acceptance, by the way.

The room was also graced with the presence of legendary writer Kurt Vonnegut and his photographer/author wife Jill Krementz. Davis may be the only one left in the record biz who holds onto the idea of camaraderie and community but he does it, as he says, with love. He introduced Atlantic Records co-founder and legend Ahmet Ertegun just that way. It's kind of touching, considering the business is in turmoil and most of the people in the room would slit each other's throats for a hit right now.

"I feel like I've invited you into my living room," Davis told the audience as one by one his stars came out to perform. Davis introduced three newish acts he has high hopes for -- and with good reason. Heather Headley, the Tony-winning Broadway star, has the potential to become Whitney Houston without the baggage. Her voice is phenomenal and she's very, very attractive, which doesn't hurt. Tyrese, a modern soul crooner, is already a hit with the ladies and can sing like crazy -- though I wasn't crazy about his material. Someone needs to get him some songs with real hooks. And Gavin DeGraw, a sort of Bruce Hornsby/Billy Joel type, will launch an album this spring. He looks like he'll be the real deal.

More tomorrow from Davis' party of parties, along with coverage of tonight's Grammy's and all the trimmings! I do wonder though if the Grammy's will stay in New York after the terrible weather we've had this week. Even the most anti-Hollywood types are longingly recalling the warm Los Angeles breezes and clear night skies as they step through 3-foot-deep puddles. Last night there were not only sheets of hail but thunder and lightning, too. Our Hollywood friends are
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Reply #12 posted 02/24/03 12:24pm

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I heard today on Howard Stern about this.. he said He was pretty close to Prince's Table.. He said Prince showed up with about 5 minutes to the end smile & that he was very short but a cute little man up close. also he said there was no way he could get close to him because he had 50 black guys around him.
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Reply #13 posted 02/24/03 12:26pm

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Prince doesn't play ball, and until he does, he'll never be happy with how a major record company handles his releases.
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Reply #14 posted 02/24/03 12:56pm

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You never can tell what Prince will do next.If he's to sign to any label it'll be on his terms, and i'd bet those terms would be a little 'different' than what is normal.

also,whether 'golden parachute' was about Clive Davis is open to debate.Prince never named anyone, and could've been talking about any Execs.
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Reply #15 posted 02/24/03 1:04pm

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MiaBocca said:

Prince doesn't play ball, and until he does, he'll never be happy with how a major record company handles his releases.



yepp and prince has his idea and his head... kinda childisch from time 2 time... i guess clive is not that bad @all, prince wants it all, he wants the masters, he wants the fame, he wants conroll over everything and he wants the cash $$$ , but still he critisizes the "devil machine record industry" ... but on the end... he can not handle it not beeing top news and beeing admired all the time 4 every move and decision he does..
well i can understand that, its natural, its human beeing, but still, there comes a moment he SHALL DECIDE which train he wants 2 take and b happy with this journey (with all the plus and neg. signs that come within)... so iam not that negative about joining a new label - but who am i? just a silly fam... , but i really hope he keeps on releasing (new) music!
advice 2 prince: feel free, b cool, relax and try... and most important: don't compare 2/with others... (santana/supernatural experience 4 ex.) - just b prince! and unique... but u know that better than we all do! its ur choice.. but get a life... choose, bring the killer funk!

we R ready! y2003 is a good year 4 a music bomb! release it babe...
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Reply #16 posted 02/24/03 1:40pm

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Prince slinked in late with several bodyguards, took a seat and said nothing to anyone all night. When Davis introduced him from the stage, the musical genius got a standing ovation. This prompted Sharon Osbourne, who couldn't see him due to his vertical challenge, to shout out, "Where is he? Where is that little Prince?" in her best cockney accent.


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Reply #17 posted 02/24/03 1:54pm

buttcheeks

Good Move Prince!!!

Clive did what he could when with Arista, Right?

Who knew all that was gonna happen like it did.

I bet Clive felt bad about it and wants to make it up to

Prince.

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Reply #18 posted 02/24/03 1:56pm

buttcheeks

Sharon! Shut the duck UP!

She probably heard P was making fun of Ozzy~
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Reply #19 posted 02/24/03 3:13pm

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locoarts said:

I heard today on Howard Stern about this.. he said He was pretty close to Prince's Table.. He said Prince showed up with about 5 minutes to the end smile & that he was very short but a cute little man up close. also he said there was no way he could get close to him because he had 50 black guys around him.


Stern said he was so drunk that he didn't know who he was cheering for when Prince walked in. Stern and Robin were laughing that Prince is only "5 foot tall" and how stupid it was to come in so late.
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Reply #20 posted 02/24/03 3:22pm

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Stern and Robin were laughing that Prince is only "5 foot tall"...


well, and we should all laughing about sterns brainless curlyhaired asshead... isn't he kinda silly? no funny @all 4 me when it comes 2 same ol' shit and negativity against p... i guess stern is heartless... hells bells
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Reply #21 posted 02/24/03 4:37pm

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purplefab said:

Stern and Robin were laughing that Prince is only "5 foot tall"...


well, and we should all laughing about sterns brainless curlyhaired asshead... isn't he kinda silly? no funny @all 4 me when it comes 2 same ol' shit and negativity against p... i guess stern is heartless... hells bells



I mean, really, Stern came on stage as Fartman on the MTV Video Music Awards in faux buttless pants and disses Prince for having the gall to wear real ones. The aptly named Robin Quivers is a lackey who smiles in Howard's face every time he talks about black people. This is not Edward R. Murrow and Christine Ampapour (sp?) we're talking about here.
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Reply #23 posted 02/24/03 4:53pm

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well if he signs there goes the celly...

ah well all things have their tyme


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Reply #24 posted 02/24/03 11:20pm

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with the Right Material&Promotion this could truly work IMHO.Clive has a Track Record that is hard to shake.Clive Davis doesn't even know a Middle C on a Piano but I'll be Damn If He doesn't Keep Acts with plenty of C-Notes in there Pockets???
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Reply #25 posted 02/24/03 11:30pm

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namepeace said:

The aptly named Robin Quivers is a lackey who smiles in Howard's face every time he talks about black people. This is not Edward R. Murrow and Christine Ampapour (sp?) we're talking about here.

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Reply #26 posted 02/24/03 11:57pm

Rudy

now, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I could swear that I was seeing Prince interviews left and right when Rave came out, TV, magazines, etc. Even Clive told some audience at a listening party, regarding 'Greatest Romance', "Now does that sound like a hit to you? That sounds like a hit!!"

From what I can tell, Rave got due promotion. I suppose the payola wasn't spent, because I didn't hear those shitty songs on the radio. But otherwise, as a fan I can say that Prince's face was in fact being seen in 1999, and apparently nobody cared.
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Reply #27 posted 02/25/03 6:48am

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lwr001 said:

Well I guess Clive Davis is dead. Not only was he in Clives presence the night before last; when Clive Davis introduced him from the stage he( Prince) received a standing ovation from I'm sure some of teh most jaded people in the business.


Clive Davis Rocks New York With Spectacular Show Feb 23





The Grammy Awards are tonight, but they're going to have to be awfully incredible to top Clive Davis' annual gala. The unbelievable mix of A-list diners and top-notch entertainment converged at the Regent Wall Street ballroom in the midst of some of the heaviest security seen in New York to date. (There were actually attack dogs and camouflaged soldiers with machine guns.)

But the only explosions were metaphorical ones -- and no guns were needed. Aretha Franklin proved that she's still the Queen of Soul, delivering a buttery version of "It's My Turn" and a raucous "Think" with Alicia Keys on keyboards. (The 22-year-old Keys, looking sensational in a red silk dress, had no time to rehearse but joined Aretha like a pro.) Rod Stewart wowed the audience with two tunes from his hit standards album from J Records, using surprise guest Lou Reed on Sam Cooke's "Havin' a Party."

And that's what Clive Davis was doing: having the biggest party of his life to celebrate his status as the record industry's premiere showman. No one does it like Clive, who this year had newly-elevated Sony Music exec Don Ienner (Tommy Mottola's successor) introduce him -- a superior move on the chessboard of the record biz. Ienner now rises in his own company's estimation as his two superiors, Andy Lack and Sir Howard Stringer, were right there to watch it happen.

There was, of course, the usual flood of famous faces that first went to a building across the street from 55 Wall for cocktails and photo ops. Then the whole gang of 800 marched through a covered tent that crossed Wall Street into the Regent. Among the glittering: Aretha, Rod, Carly Simon, Keys, Reed, Usher, Rob Thomas of Matchbox Twenty, Marisa Berenson, Kid Rock, Kim Cattrall, P. Diddy, Naomi Campbell, Andre Harrell, Kelly Rowland, producer Jimmy Jam Harris, Phil Ramone and all the members of 'N Sync -- Justin, Lance, JC, Chris and Joey. Even American Idol star Kelly Clarkson was there.

But did I mention Sharon Osbourne with Kelly and Jack? This extraordinary woman, who has had a bad time of it this year, looks fantastic and, by the way, is full of life. She is also the funniest thing on two feet. A real trouper!

Stewart told me he was anxious to do the sequel album to his American Songbook and was already working on new versions of old songs like "Skylark."

"Now that I have the confidence I'm going to do really hard songs," he told me.

When his manager introduced this reporter to Rod as "the one who reported you fell asleep on Penny (Lancaster, his 5'10" girlfriend) three years ago here," Stewart didn't even blink.

"And why not?" he said. "She has an ample bosom."

During his performance with Reed, Stewart high-kicked and strutted as if it were 1971 and he was singing "Stay With Me" with the Faces. Apparently, he is unsinkable.

Prince slinked in late with several bodyguards, took a seat and said nothing to anyone all night. When Davis introduced him from the stage, the musical genius got a standing ovation. This prompted Sharon Osbourne, who couldn't see him due to his vertical challenge, to shout out, "Where is he? Where is that little Prince?" in her best cockney accent. I don't know if she ever got to meet him, but she tried.

There were also folks from the non-music side: Bryant Gumbel (who chatted about golf with MTV's Carson Daly), romance author Danielle Steel with her three beautiful daughters; CBS's Les Moonves; as well as Howard Stern with girlfriend Beth, Evander Holyfield, Oscar-winner Faye Dunaway, Denise Rich and Martha Stewart. The latter ventured out twice yesterday to Grammy events and was met with a lot of acceptance, by the way.

The room was also graced with the presence of legendary writer Kurt Vonnegut and his photographer/author wife Jill Krementz. Davis may be the only one left in the record biz who holds onto the idea of camaraderie and community but he does it, as he says, with love. He introduced Atlantic Records co-founder and legend Ahmet Ertegun just that way. It's kind of touching, considering the business is in turmoil and most of the people in the room would slit each other's throats for a hit right now.

"I feel like I've invited you into my living room," Davis told the audience as one by one his stars came out to perform. Davis introduced three newish acts he has high hopes for -- and with good reason. Heather Headley, the Tony-winning Broadway star, has the potential to become Whitney Houston without the baggage. Her voice is phenomenal and she's very, very attractive, which doesn't hurt. Tyrese, a modern soul crooner, is already a hit with the ladies and can sing like crazy -- though I wasn't crazy about his material. Someone needs to get him some songs with real hooks. And Gavin DeGraw, a sort of Bruce Hornsby/Billy Joel type, will launch an album this spring. He looks like he'll be the real deal.

More tomorrow from Davis' party of parties, along with coverage of tonight's Grammy's and all the trimmings! I do wonder though if the Grammy's will stay in New York after the terrible weather we've had this week. Even the most anti-Hollywood types are longingly recalling the warm Los Angeles breezes and clear night skies as they step through 3-foot-deep puddles. Last night there were not only sheets of hail but thunder and lightning, too. Our Hollywood friends are


Although Im sure she just catapulted herself onto the Fam Shitlist for those comments, Sharon Osbourne rocks. God I got a good laugh out of that. And before you all jump down my throat, I think it's more rude for Prince to walk into a place and snub everyone than it is for Sharon Osbourne to make light of the situation and have fun.
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Reply #28 posted 02/26/03 1:20pm

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Tom said:

NuPwrSoul said:

I dunno, but I thought they weren't on the best of terms. Wasn't "Golden Parachute" about Clive's departure from Arista? That song wasn't too complimentary to whomever it was about.
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I thought Prince wasn't too happy with the promotion of Rave. I can't recall where I read it, but P basically commented on how Clive Davis/Arista kind of pulled the promotion on the album prematurely when they felt that it wasnt gonna sell well. The argument was something to the extent of Clive Davis not living up to his promises to promote the project wholeheartedly.


I think the fact that Arista didn't promote RUTJF wholeheartedly wasn't a decision made by Clive Davis. I mean, if it really was his decision I don't think Prince would go to Clive's party. Remember, Prince is a stubborn man...

Also remember Clive got fired pretty soon after the RUTJF debacle: I think Clive was really believing in Prince and his music and the rest of the staff at Arista didn't. That's probably why he couldn't live up to his promise to Prince.

It wouldn't surprise me if Prince would sign another deal with Clive in the near future...
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Reply #29 posted 02/26/03 1:27pm

GoldNigga

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I think the fact that Arista didn't promote RUTJF wholeheartedly wasn't a decision made by Clive Davis. I mean, if it really was his decision I don't think Prince would go to Clive's party. Remember, Prince is a stubborn man...

Also remember Clive got fired pretty soon after the RUTJF debacle: I think Clive was really believing in Prince and his music and the rest of the staff at Arista didn't. That's probably why he couldn't live up to his promise to Prince.

It wouldn't surprise me if Prince would sign another deal with Clive in the near future...


I agree. Clive did right by Prince. He paid him a hefty advance and even made promo appearances at press events with him. How many label chiefs do that for their artists?

Davis was giving Prince all kinds of personal attention until the ax fell and he was pushed out at Arista. It wasn't Clive's fault that all of that happened right when Prince's album was out there and needed a boost.
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