errant said:

IstenSzek said:

i wonder how much truth there is in that though. he can pretty much stop warners from

cashing in on his music being in commercials or through even re-releasing his old stuff.

so how come pretty much anyone would be able to rerecord his stuff and release it on

their own albums?

isn't there some publishing rights/law that would enable him to prevent this from ever

happening?

i'm not saying he's flat out lying but it's all just strange. then again, these legal issues

surrounding music and ownership are a headache at the best of times i guess, seeing

as how the whole masters debate is always so troublesome.

no. anyone can perform any song live or on record, as long as the royalties are paid.

I think it has to have been a published work. And it has to be with out significant changes. (When they wanted to use Kiss for Happy Feet they asked to change one word and Prince said NO. Then he saw the movie, changed his mind and sent them "song of the heart."

also it is okay to record and release or cover in a concert, but there are other issue when used as part of a video or film.

rdhull said:

Trickology said:

Management, we know you read the threads. Listen to us on this, no albums=more bootlegs.

and tell Prince to get to the rmeasters and release 17 Days full version please

Man, you know what is going to happen. How long is 17 days full version? 16 days/23 hrs 47 minutes? Prince loves the fact he has leverage on all of us. Actually it is a good strategy for the future but you have to be alive to enjoy the outcome, I guess.

This website should be fun if they try a chatroom again. I wonder if one of the mod's was Funkenberry who kicked/banned me? Prayer meetings, if you came in at a certain time "We aren't talking about that we are praying" Fuck outta here w/ that bullshit,

We should find a orger who plays the best ping pong out of all & challenge him for unreleased recordings. If we lose, we will promote everything no matter how shitty an idea we think it is. "Prince Royal Purple Bath Salts, this is the one,mmm hmm!" Who here is a beast at ping pong? I can't deal w/ this one song trickle "anymo" .

His point was about making art, not about covers per se.

He probably thinks art comes from within, not by working with old material.

I disagree. Without the transcription of several classical masters, some would have stayed unknown. It'b ecause of trancirption of the original piece, that made the music famous.

alandail said:

djThunderfunk said:

I love Prince, but, on the subject of covers, he either needs to come clean about what is different about his own released recordings of covers and why he now feels differently, or, shut the funk up. It just makes him look hypocritical at best, stupid at worst...

One Of Us

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

When Will We Be Paid

Crimson And Clover

Wild Thing

Every Day Is A Winding Road

Whole Lotta Love

Rock Steady'

Misty Blue

etc....

first, you included some tracks he's only done live. His complaint has always been that people can cover his music in new recordings without getting his permission. Fot the tracks he has covered and released, if he sought permission from the original artists to do a cover version before releasing them, there is no inconsistency in what he's saying.

The live tracks I included... were released. Since I paid retail, they cost me more than all the others combined.

IstenSzek said:

alandail said:

again, his complaint has always been that people can do new studio recordings of his music without his permission. And, again, if he sought permission for the covers he did, there is no inconsistency.

i wonder how much truth there is in that though. he can pretty much stop warners from

cashing in on his music being in commercials or through even re-releasing his old stuff.

so how come pretty much anyone would be able to rerecord his stuff and release it on

their own albums?

isn't there some publishing rights/law that would enable him to prevent this from ever

happening?

i'm not saying he's flat out lying but it's all just strange. then again, these legal issues

surrounding music and ownership are a headache at the best of times i guess, seeing

as how the whole masters debate is always so troublesome.

Once a song has been released, ANYONE can record their own version and sell it. As long they pay him, he has no say so.

errant said:

Trickology said:

She also brought her guitar teacher on the late nite shows & played two rudimentary chords like "Look at me!" The audience actually was so willing to give her praise for that. She just needed an excuse to be on tv,

well, she was there to promote an album. I know, a pretty novel concept in Princeland.

That isn't my point to saying that. My point is she needs attention for everything but doesnt put in the work to deserve publicity for just holding a guitar & nervously fumbling chords. She put this into her live show where she wasted the audience's time w/ her beginner guitar tutorial in arenas for godsake! I think it got to Madonna that everyone said she didn't play an instrument like some of her peers.

I won't take anything anyways from Madonna when it comes to entertainment,image,songwriting,choreography. She is obviously the best that ever combined that in that regards w/ music industry to her female peers. But it irks me when I hear Madonna deserves praise in areas where she doesn't, that's all.

alandail said:

djThunderfunk said:

I love Prince, but, on the subject of covers, he either needs to come clean about what is different about his own released recordings of covers and why he now feels differently, or, shut the funk up. It just makes him look hypocritical at best, stupid at worst...

One Of Us

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

When Will We Be Paid

Crimson And Clover

Wild Thing

Every Day Is A Winding Road

Whole Lotta Love

Rock Steady'

Misty Blue

etc....

first, you included some tracks he's only done live. His complaint has always been that people can cover his music in new recordings without getting his permission. Fot the tracks he has covered and released, if he sought permission from the original artists to do a cover version before releasing them, there is no inconsistency in what he's saying.

Total bullshit. Prince doesn't ask permission all the time. http://www.youtube.com/wa...SoVQ3WwzaI If you can watch this You Tube video of Miriam Makeba singing "Quit It," and not figure out that Prince remade this into "Colonized Mind," then you have bad ears. He owes her estate at least $50,000. "Colonized Mind" is a great song, Prince deserves praise for, but not as much praise as I thought at first. There is no way he didn't know this song. She even sings "No Responsibility."

And you want inconsistent? Prince's entire career is filled with them. I love him, but have 77 and more reasons not to trust him.

stillwaiting said:

alandail said:

first, you included some tracks he's only done live. His complaint has always been that people can cover his music in new recordings without getting his permission. Fot the tracks he has covered and released, if he sought permission from the original artists to do a cover version before releasing them, there is no inconsistency in what he's saying.

Total bullshit. Prince doesn't ask permission all the time. http://www.youtube.com/wa...SoVQ3WwzaI If you can watch this You Tube video of Miriam Makeba singing "Quit It," and not figure out that Prince remade this into "Colonized Mind," then you have bad ears. He owes her estate at least $50,000. "Colonized Mind" is a great song, Prince deserves praise for, but not as much praise as I thought at first. There is no way he didn't know this song. She even sings "No Responsibility."

And you want inconsistent? Prince's entire career is filled with them. I love him, but have 77 and more reasons not to trust him.

Some fans want to casually forget about Prince labeling a npgmc track of his own only to be a live cover of "Hendrix/Band of Gypsies" "Machine Gun" Ooops he didn't credit that properly.

Trickology said:

Some fans want to casually forget about Prince labeling a npgmc track of his own only to be a live cover of "Hendrix/Band of Gypsies" "Machine Gun" Ooops he didn't credit that properly.

I forgot about that one. What did he title that?

rdhull said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

real quick: who's song is "Whole lotta love" no googlling!

Are you serious? Its Led Zep

not exactly: theirs was a cover of a version of a song by the band "the Small Faces" which was ripped off from a song Willy Dixon wrote for Muddy Waters.

stillwaiting said:

Trickology said:

Some fans want to casually forget about Prince labeling a npgmc track of his own only to be a live cover of "Hendrix/Band of Gypsies" "Machine Gun" Ooops he didn't credit that properly.

I forgot about that one. What did he title that?

but then he did give them the mastertape to his cover of "purple house"

Well, do we know for sure he didn't ask for a permission to use the Miriam Makeba song as a basis for his own?

Trickology said:

errant said:

well, she was there to promote an album. I know, a pretty novel concept in Princeland.

That isn't my point to saying that. My point is she needs attention for everything but doesnt put in the work to deserve publicity for just holding a guitar & nervously fumbling chords. She put this into her live show where she wasted the audience's time w/ her beginner guitar tutorial in arenas for godsake! I think it got to Madonna that everyone said she didn't play an instrument like some of her peers.

I won't take anything anyways from Madonna when it comes to entertainment,image,songwriting,choreography. She is obviously the best that ever combined that in that regards w/ music industry to her female peers. But it irks me when I hear Madonna deserves praise in areas where she doesn't, that's all.

so now there's a problem with an artist trying to push themselves? to learn more? to better their ability? to expand their horizons?

k. just making sure.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

rdhull said:

Are you serious? Its Led Zep

not exactly: theirs was a cover of a version of a song by the band "the Small Faces" which was ripped off from a song Willy Dixon wrote for Muddy Waters.

I know the ripped it off of Dixon/Waters..didnt know about Small Faces..but he used the guitar riff from Zeps version even though he did a mashup of American Woman

He didn't say anything bad about Madonna

And who doesn't hate Maroon V?

I think his take on covers comes from ignorance about the bands doing the covers. He didn't like the Foo Fighters doing Darling Nikki, probably because he thought they were a new band getting their first hit with his song.

When someone informed him who they were, I believe he apologised by singing their song at the super bowl and jamming with Dave Grohl

He probably thinks Maroon V is some new band who has no hits. I think it all goes back to Sinead, who really did have her first hit with his song. But it's all so dumb because at the time, he was delighted.

NDRU said:

I think his take on covers comes from ignorance about the bands doing the covers. He didn't like the Foo Fighters doing Darling Nikki, probably because he thought they were a new band getting their first hit with his song.

When someone informed him who they were, I believe he apologised by singing their song at the super bowl and jamming with Dave Grohl

He probably thinks Maroon V is some new band who has no hits. I think it all goes back to Sinead, who really did have her first hit with his song. But it's all so dumb because at the time, he was delighted.

He had originally invited the Foo Fighters to play together with him already in 1999 for the Millennium Celebration (I believe they had said "yes" to the invitation as well). That's when he still apparently had bigger plans for the evening.

It was in an interview at the time.

I'm not one who usually gets all bent out of shape by Prince's interviews. I accepted a long time ago that his songs are more lucid, entertaining, and informative than his interviews. But, this latest interview with E!Online is bad on a couple of levels. At first, I was hoping that Prince was just being “crazy like a fox,” embracing the notion that controversy sells product. But, it is difficult to sell product if people think that you are a bitter old man. One, his position on covers makes him look like a hypocrite or someone in the first stages of Alzheimer’s. Two, the Prince of old won't have wasted his time dissing other artists. Even if he has a point about Madonna, his comments only serve to make him appear to be a bitter douche. With that, I'll return my attention to enjoying all the latest activity, and chalk this interview to the fact that he is still "batshit crazy". I just hope this interview doesn't derail any momentum that he was trying to build for 2013. I would ask why serious magazines would adhere to his demands of no notes and no recording devices, but the key word is serious magazines...

novabrkr said:

NDRU said:

I think his take on covers comes from ignorance about the bands doing the covers. He didn't like the Foo Fighters doing Darling Nikki, probably because he thought they were a new band getting their first hit with his song.

When someone informed him who they were, I believe he apologised by singing their song at the super bowl and jamming with Dave Grohl

He probably thinks Maroon V is some new band who has no hits. I think it all goes back to Sinead, who really did have her first hit with his song. But it's all so dumb because at the time, he was delighted.

He had originally invited the Foo Fighters to play together with him already in 1999 for the Millennium Celebration (I believe they had said "yes" to the invitation as well). That's when he still apparently had bigger plans for the evening.

It was in an interview at the time.

oh, well than maybe he's just crazy

E Online always trying to start something. He wasn't dissing Madonna and Maroon 5 at all. As for his opinions about covers, I have to agree about him changing his mind all the time. Fifteen years ago he said he always wanted to do them and he still does them in concert. I guess he feels he got ripped off when people did his covers so for him it has to do with money so his comments are understandable though I don't necessarily agree with some of it.

NDRU said:

I think his take on covers comes from ignorance about the bands doing the covers. He didn't like the Foo Fighters doing Darling Nikki, probably because he thought they were a new band getting their first hit with his song.

When someone informed him who they were, I believe he apologised by singing their song at the super bowl and jamming with Dave Grohl

He probably thinks Maroon V is some new band who has no hits. I think it all goes back to Sinead, who really did have her first hit with his song. But it's all so dumb because at the time, he was delighted.

Yeah ain't no telling with Prince. He's in his own land. I remember the Foo Fighters situations.

errant said:

rdhull said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

not exactly: theirs was a cover of a version of a song by the band "the Small Faces" which was ripped off from a song Willy Dixon wrote for Muddy Waters.

I know the ripped it off of Dixon/Waters..didnt know about Small Faces..but he used the guitar riff from Zeps version even though he did a mashup of American Woman

Plus Prince's version on Indigo Nights basically took the melody from Michael Jackson's Will You Be There.

Total bullshit. Prince doesn't ask permission all the time. http://www.youtube.com/wa...SoVQ3WwzaI If you can watch this You Tube video of Miriam Makeba singing "Quit It," and not figure out that Prince remade this into "Colonized Mind," then you have bad ears. He owes her estate at least $50,000. "Colonized Mind" is a great song, Prince deserves praise for, but not as much praise as I thought at first. There is no way he didn't know this song. She even sings "No Responsibility."

And you want inconsistent? Prince's entire career is filled with them. I love him, but have 77 and more reasons not to trust him.

Oh wow, just played that - yeah does sound pretty much the same. But that is it with music - riffs and melodies are often copied or sound similar. But I have to admit this sounds more than just that. I like this song by Miriam though - sounded good.

novabrkr said:

Well, do we know for sure he didn't ask for a permission to use the Miriam Makeba song as a basis for his own?

It would have been in the album credits, Makeba died in 2008, so it's very possible this has not even been found out by her estate. It is highly unlikely that someone would give permission to take someones song without any credit. Sure, an under the table deal is possible, but Prince's history of inconsistent behavior and dislike for paying bills makes him a prime suspect.

stillwaiting said:

novabrkr said:

Well, do we know for sure he didn't ask for a permission to use the Miriam Makeba song as a basis for his own?

It would have been in the album credits, Makeba died in 2008, so it's very possible this has not even been found out by her estate. It is highly unlikely that someone would give permission to take someones song without any credit. Sure, an under the table deal is possible, but Prince's history of inconsistent behavior and dislike for paying bills makes him a prime suspect.

You should call them up and let them know about this.

If Prince doesn't approve of Maroon 5's cover of Kiss, then why in the hell will Prince accept the royality check and cash it?

So hypocritical.

[Edited 1/24/13 23:09pm]

I Can't Make you love me was Top 20 on the Billboard Pop Hits. Thats pretty big and he BUTCHERED a CLASSIC!! One of Us was # 1, again...BUTCHERED!!

I wish he would take his own advice and NOT cover people. I Hate his covers but it seems like thats all he does now. The last concert I went to he did 20 songs in the show and 11 were covers. I(as well as everyone around me) was PISSED and griped the whole show. Prince truely thinks his shit dont stink. I honestly think the man has gone crazy and thinks those songs are actually his now