So EOnline wrote an article about an article of an interview that they'll never be able to get otherwise just so they could start some alleged beef between Prince andf other artists. I took a shit this morning that had more journalistic integrity that the entire staff of EOnline!!!

FragileUndertow said:

djThunderfunk said:

I would argue that Crimson And Clover, Wild Thing, Everyday Is A Winding Road and One Of Us are pretty frigging famous.

So was...

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

Purple House

and I Can't Make U Love Me and A Case Of U

so which are the ones that aren't overly famous? because I think that's all of them

errant said:

FragileUndertow said:

So was...

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

Purple House

and I Can't Make U Love Me and A Case Of U

so which are the ones that aren't overly famous? because I think that's all of them

hell, One Of Us was barely even off the charts (maybe a year?) when he released his cover of that one

djThunderfunk said:

I love Prince, but, on the subject of covers, he either needs to come clean about what is different about his own released recordings of covers and why he now feels differently, or, shut the funk up. It just makes him look hypocritical at best, stupid at worst...

One Of Us

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

When Will We Be Paid

Crimson And Clover

Wild Thing

Every Day Is A Winding Road

Whole Lotta Love

Rock Steady'

Misty Blue

etc....

first, you included some tracks he's only done live. His complaint has always been that people can cover his music in new recordings without getting his permission. Fot the tracks he has covered and released, if he sought permission from the original artists to do a cover version before releasing them, there is no inconsistency in what he's saying.

alandail said:

djThunderfunk said:

I love Prince, but, on the subject of covers, he either needs to come clean about what is different about his own released recordings of covers and why he now feels differently, or, shut the funk up. It just makes him look hypocritical at best, stupid at worst...

One Of Us

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

When Will We Be Paid

Crimson And Clover

Wild Thing

Every Day Is A Winding Road

Whole Lotta Love

Rock Steady'

Misty Blue

etc....

first, you included some tracks he's only done live. His complaint has always been that people can cover his music in new recordings without getting his permission. Fot the tracks he has covered and released, if he sought permission from the original artists to do a cover version before releasing them, there is no inconsistency in what he's saying.

hypocritical bullshit makes for a slippery slope, doesn't it?

alandail said:

djThunderfunk said:

I love Prince, but, on the subject of covers, he either needs to come clean about what is different about his own released recordings of covers and why he now feels differently, or, shut the funk up. It just makes him look hypocritical at best, stupid at worst...

One Of Us

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

When Will We Be Paid

Crimson And Clover

Wild Thing

Every Day Is A Winding Road

Whole Lotta Love

Rock Steady'

Misty Blue

etc....

first, you included some tracks he's only done live. His complaint has always been that people can cover his music in new recordings without getting his permission. Fot the tracks he has covered and released, if he sought permission from the original artists to do a cover version before releasing them, there is no inconsistency in what he's saying.

i think they've been released on his live albums/dvd's like the aladin dvd and the indigo nights disc.

so live in concert, yet also on his discs and dvds.

anyway, i just wish he started to hate cover versions so badly that he wouldn't perform them at all

anymore.

that would leave about 1/3 of his setlists open for more of his own music

again, his complaint has always been that people can do new studio recordings of his music without his permission. And, again, if he sought permission for the covers he did, there is no inconsistency.

alandail said:

again, his complaint has always been that people can do new studio recordings of his music without his permission. And, again, if he sought permission for the covers he did, there is no inconsistency.

i wonder how much truth there is in that though. he can pretty much stop warners from

cashing in on his music being in commercials or through even re-releasing his old stuff.

so how come pretty much anyone would be able to rerecord his stuff and release it on

their own albums?

isn't there some publishing rights/law that would enable him to prevent this from ever

happening?

i'm not saying he's flat out lying but it's all just strange. then again, these legal issues

surrounding music and ownership are a headache at the best of times i guess, seeing

as how the whole masters debate is always so troublesome.

Prince mentions Madonna in new interview

In other music sharing news, Prince describes why you won't find his vintage performances on YouTube. "I have a team of female black lawyers who keep an eye on such transgressions," he says.

Further talk about music ownership gets Prince riled up -- and rightfully so -- over the latter part of his Warner Bros. record label era. He feels his later releases were commercially unsuccessful because Warner mis-marketed them. And so he began to crank out album after album to complete his contractual obligations and set himself free as an artist.

"It was also about Madonna," he says. "She was getting paid, but at the time we were selling more records and selling out concerts on multiple nights." (As a refresher, Madonna's Maverick Records was distributed by Warner Bros. She famously ditched the label for Live Nation in 2007.)

Another musical act Prince has less than kind words for is Maroon 5, who recorded a cover of his iconic track, "Kiss." Though Prince says he's happy to cover other artists' songs at a live show, and pay royalties accordingly, he doesn't support the idea of recording covers. And he posits a pretty legitimate question: "Why do we need to hear another cover of a song someone else did? Art is about building a new foundation, not just laying something on top of what's already there."

IstenSzek said:

alandail said:

again, his complaint has always been that people can do new studio recordings of his music without his permission. And, again, if he sought permission for the covers he did, there is no inconsistency.

i wonder how much truth there is in that though. he can pretty much stop warners from

cashing in on his music being in commercials or through even re-releasing his old stuff.

so how come pretty much anyone would be able to rerecord his stuff and release it on

their own albums?

isn't there some publishing rights/law that would enable him to prevent this from ever

happening?

i'm not saying he's flat out lying but it's all just strange. then again, these legal issues

surrounding music and ownership are a headache at the best of times i guess, seeing

as how the whole masters debate is always so troublesome.

To record and release a new version of someone else's song, you just have to file paperwork, pay a $10 fee, and pay a royalty on the sales. Here's a quote from an article someone wrote about releasing their own disk of cover songs

Once a song has been commercially released by an artist, that artist's song may be re-recorded and released by anyonewho chooses to do so. This holds true, provided that the melody/lyric isn't substantially altered in the "cover" version, and that they pay proper fees/royalties directly to the song's copyright holder.

Surely there's no point bringing up covers Prince did nearly 20 years ago when his opinion changes from week to week?

I think if you asked him about Crimson and Clover/Wild Thing, he'd say he used the two songs to create one new song - which would technically be in line with what he said (he complained about people just putting something on top of what was already there) but still a wee bit hypocritical.

The worst ever quote he's done on covers was when he said he'd shoot anyone who covered Respect by Aretha Franklin, which was ridiculous because a) it's a cover itself and b) he'd covered it (but again, I suppose he'd say he only did it live...)

IstenSzek said:

alandail said:

again, his complaint has always been that people can do new studio recordings of his music without his permission. And, again, if he sought permission for the covers he did, there is no inconsistency.

i wonder how much truth there is in that though. he can pretty much stop warners from

cashing in on his music being in commercials or through even re-releasing his old stuff.

so how come pretty much anyone would be able to rerecord his stuff and release it on

their own albums?

isn't there some publishing rights/law that would enable him to prevent this from ever

happening?

i'm not saying he's flat out lying but it's all just strange. then again, these legal issues

surrounding music and ownership are a headache at the best of times i guess, seeing

as how the whole masters debate is always so troublesome.

no. anyone can perform any song live or on record, as long as the royalties are paid.

Im glad i can care less what the man says

90% of his interviews and speeches suck

i tend to agree with him on most fronts. a closed mouth doesn't get fed.

What he said about covers is what he has always said abot covers. Don' see as him shitting on Maroon 5. What did he say that was so bad about Madonna other than WB spent their time focusing on her, which they did. I don't understand what was so bad about interview.

he's full of shit on Madonna, btw. they signed their deals right around the same time. and they were very similar contracts. he wasn't outselling her in album or singles sales. their tours were not orchestrated by Warner Bros., and her vanity label signed acts that actually sold records while his did not.

errant said:

he's full of shit on Madonna, btw. they signed their deals right around the same time. and they were very similar contracts. he wasn't outselling her in album or singles sales. their tours were not orchestrated by Warner Bros., and her vanity label signed acts that actually sold records while his did not.

her singles where better, i'll give her that (never heard an album or anything). evita, bedtime stories, all that, however...

I'm wondering where I apply to be Prince's official stenographer.

(KeithyT typing frantically, occasionall peering over the top of his spectacles)

Prince: Well I think the internet is mostly dead nowadays, ermm what I mean is ....STRIKE THAT FROM THE RECORD!

KeithyT: Yessir!

[Edited 1/24/13 8:08am]

What is up w/ caring about Madonna or what Maroon 5 does? Dude, you signed TC Ellis, Carmen Electra,Tony M & Mayte! You didn't make top notch musical decisions as well. Not to mention you hocked perfume,cheap jewelry & let's not forget you even tried to hock a mock overpriced shitty humidifier (aroma enhancer or whatever the fuck it was) on your npgmc site. If anyone needs any analysis, it is Prince, why he cares about marketing nonsense other than music. He had botchy glitch flash websites that no one gave a shit about after 4 clicks. We were all like "Fuck this shit, where is that bootleg blog again?"

IMO, Maroon 5 & Madonna aren't worth mentioning, you cover the same old songs over and over again. YOU covered Wild Cherry's "Play that Funky Music" for 5 years, let's get serious here. Prince is so shielded from constructive criticism because he can't handle it. You don't want to do albums & just songs? What do you think is going to be the outcome of that? Prepare for the bootlegs again, because there will always be collectors who will take advantage of that.

Management, we know you read the threads. Listen to us on this, no albums=more bootlegs.

Don't complain when bootleg companies start packaging everything together nicely & bundled & build palaces in Dubai from the profits.

[Edited 1/24/13 8:50am]

errant said:

he's full of shit on Madonna, btw. they signed their deals right around the same time. and they were very similar contracts. he wasn't outselling her in album or singles sales. their tours were not orchestrated by Warner Bros., and her vanity label signed acts that actually sold records while his did not.

Yeah, she signed Meshell Ndegeocello and Alanis...and Candlebox whoch had a hot on their debut.

I was impressed with Mavericks roster.

rdhull said:

errant said:

he's full of shit on Madonna, btw. they signed their deals right around the same time. and they were very similar contracts. he wasn't outselling her in album or singles sales. their tours were not orchestrated by Warner Bros., and her vanity label signed acts that actually sold records while his did not.

Yeah, she signed Meshell Ndegeocello and Alanis...and Candlebox whoch had a hot on their debut.

I was impressed with Mavericks roster.

She also brought her guitar teacher on the late nite shows & played two rudimentary chords like "Look at me!" The audience actually was so willing to give her praise for that. She just needed an excuse to be on tv,

Trickology said:

rdhull said:

Yeah, she signed Meshell Ndegeocello and Alanis...and Candlebox whoch had a hot on their debut.

I was impressed with Mavericks roster.

She also brought her guitar teacher on the late nite shows & played two rudimentary chords like "Look at me!" The audience actually was so willing to give her praise for that. She just needed an excuse to be on tv,

Im just saying. At least the people she signed had musical merit imo...especially comimg form Madonna.

Trickology said:

What is up w/ caring about Madonna or what Maroon 5 does? Dude, you signed TC Ellis, Carmen Electra,Tony M & Mayte! You didn't make top notch musical decisions as well. Not to mention you hocked perfume,cheap jewelry & let's not forget you even tried to hock a mock overpriced humidifier. If anyone needs any analysis, it is Prince why he cares about marketing nonsense other than music. He had botchy glitch flash websites that no one gave a shit about after 4 clicks. We were all like "Fuck this shit, where is that bootleg blog again?"

IMO, Maroon 5 & Madonna aren't worth mentioning, you cover the same old songs over and over again. YOU covered Wild Cherry's "Play that Funky Music" for 5 years, let's get serious here. Prince is so shielded from constructive criticism because he can't handle it. You don't want to do albums & just songs? What do you think is going to be the outcome of that? Prepare for the bootlegs again, because there will always be collectors who will take advantage of that.

Management, we know you read the threads. Listen to us on this, no albums=more bootlegs.

Don't complain when bootleg companies start packaging everything together nicely & bundled & build palaces in Dubai from the profits.

[Edited 1/24/13 8:46am]

You just explained why it is so hard for me to be a fan of Prince. The first paragraph is even more alarming. Prince is the better artist, but when Madonna did have Maverick Records, she did sign very creative and unique artists. Madonna can be as image conscious as Prince, but she was the better talent scout and did not allow superciality to govern her signings. Secondly, despite what he said on Tavis Smiley back in 1998, he is a bad businessman. Prince is a musician first and foremost. Prince doesn't have the patience to stay with a business endeavor long enough for the venture to even break even, thus the countless lawsuits like the perfume company suing for unfulfilled promotional obligations. T.C. Ellis, Tony M, and Carmen Electra had 15 minutes of fame instead of Rosie Gaines. Now, he's sour he doens't have a deal?

If Prince is serious about reforming business practices in the industry, be more forthright about his agenda. It always seems so self-serving. Why not start a coalition to protect other artists from what happened to you?

Trickology said:

rdhull said:

Yeah, she signed Meshell Ndegeocello and Alanis...and Candlebox whoch had a hot on their debut.

I was impressed with Mavericks roster.

She also brought her guitar teacher on the late nite shows & played two rudimentary chords like "Look at me!" The audience actually was so willing to give her praise for that. She just needed an excuse to be on tv,

well, she was there to promote an album. I know, a pretty novel concept in Princeland.

djThunderfunk said:

I love Prince, but, on the subject of covers, he either needs to come clean about what is different about his own released recordings of covers and why he now feels differently, or, shut the funk up. It just makes him look hypocritical at best, stupid at worst...

One Of Us

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

When Will We Be Paid

Crimson And Clover

Wild Thing

Every Day Is A Winding Road

Whole Lotta Love

Rock Steady'

Misty Blue

etc....

real quick: who's song is "Whole lotta love" no googlling!

Trickology said:

Management, we know you read the threads. Listen to us on this, no albums=more bootlegs.

and tell Prince to get to the rmeasters and release 17 Days full version please

OnlyNDaUsa said:

djThunderfunk said:

I love Prince, but, on the subject of covers, he either needs to come clean about what is different about his own released recordings of covers and why he now feels differently, or, shut the funk up. It just makes him look hypocritical at best, stupid at worst...

One Of Us

Betcha By Golly Wow

La La La Means I Love You

When Will We Be Paid

Crimson And Clover

Wild Thing

Every Day Is A Winding Road

Whole Lotta Love

Rock Steady'

Misty Blue

etc....

real quick: who's song is "Whole lotta love" no googlling!

Are you serious? Its Led Zep