IstenSzek said:

errant said:

we know his feelings. he wants an advance. which is exactly how his problems with the recording industry started.

and since iTunes and Amazon won't give him one, and he's too proud to go back to a label, he'll get it by hook or by crook, either from a big box retailer (Target), a newspaper (or 2), or directly from his fans (Crystal Ball, lotu$failure.com).

which is what i find so hard to understand. if he's got, say 300.000 fans globally who are

willing to buy his new album, he should just put it on itunes or on his own site and make

300.000 times however much the album sells for.

that's only logical.

why would he want a $ 5,000,000 advance when in reality he'll probably only sell enough

units to collect about $ 3,000,000?

even prince can see that's not really fair to anyone but him

you can't expect people to keep giving you huge advances and be sitting on a couple of

hundred thousand unsold records and then welcome you with open arms again the next

time you shop your album around.

i'm surprised they give anyone an advance these days.

what's wrong with just putting your shit on itunes and collecting cash for every unit you

sell? that seems the most fair way to me. and the most reasonable.

Prince is only concerned about fairness if it applies to him being treated fairly (or more than fairly).

See also: the thread about him not respecting anyone who records covers and puts them on albums. :eyeroll:

errant said:

IstenSzek said:

which is what i find so hard to understand. if he's got, say 300.000 fans globally who are

willing to buy his new album, he should just put it on itunes or on his own site and make

300.000 times however much the album sells for.

that's only logical.

why would he want a $ 5,000,000 advance when in reality he'll probably only sell enough

units to collect about $ 3,000,000?

even prince can see that's not really fair to anyone but him

you can't expect people to keep giving you huge advances and be sitting on a couple of

hundred thousand unsold records and then welcome you with open arms again the next

time you shop your album around.

i'm surprised they give anyone an advance these days.

what's wrong with just putting your shit on itunes and collecting cash for every unit you

sell? that seems the most fair way to me. and the most reasonable.

Prince is only concerned about fairness if it applies to him being treated fairly (or more than fairly).

See also: the thread about him not respecting anyone who records covers and puts them on albums. :eyeroll:

He's even stated that he's always wanted to do covers but WB didn't want him to.

I think Prince thinks that when he does the covers he's doing the artist a favor.

When others cover him, not so much.

errant said:

IstenSzek said:

which is what i find so hard to understand. if he's got, say 300.000 fans globally who are

willing to buy his new album, he should just put it on itunes or on his own site and make

300.000 times however much the album sells for.

that's only logical.

why would he want a $ 5,000,000 advance when in reality he'll probably only sell enough

units to collect about $ 3,000,000?

even prince can see that's not really fair to anyone but him

you can't expect people to keep giving you huge advances and be sitting on a couple of

hundred thousand unsold records and then welcome you with open arms again the next

time you shop your album around.

i'm surprised they give anyone an advance these days.

what's wrong with just putting your shit on itunes and collecting cash for every unit you

sell? that seems the most fair way to me. and the most reasonable.

Prince is only concerned about fairness if it applies to him being treated fairly (or more than fairly).

See also: the thread about him not respecting anyone who records covers and puts them on albums. :eyeroll:

lol, indeed. i read that and i couldn't help but just

how contradictory and deluded is that?

i was pleasantly surprised that this interviewer had the balls to tell him that he does a lot of

covers in concert. usually they don't seem to ask or tell him anything.

fcuz, he had a ready answer saying that he pays royalties for his performances.

but so what? people get royalties if someone covers their song and puts in on their album.

it's a means of extra (much needed in some cases) income for people who used to be in

the bizz a long time ago and have now fallen on harder times.

i don't think i've ever heard anyone complain that someone covered their song, made it

a hit and by way of that earned them enough money to buy a new house

but prince would.

especially after he released 7 or more covers himself.

For the record I agree with everything I've posted.

imago said:

For the record I agree with everything I've posted.

Every thing you believe is true

I will be quite upset if P never releases another album, as some of his best works have been when there is a single theme that knits the project together, "lovesexy", "Around the World in a Day", "Parade", The Rainbow Children" and even to some extent "Purple Rain", which I know if it weren't for the film it would sound just like a collection of songs, but the film does help give it narrative.

I'm not sure if prince is feeling less creative as he's getting older, hence the idea just to release songs, but I suppose that I will have to get used to making playlists more, something that I've never really done. I much prefer sitting down to a cohesive album.

So to summarise, I'm not happy if this is the road he decides to go down, but as I still enjoy a lot of his new music, I will have to adapt to this new way of releasing music.

On a completely different note.... I got a flame! An org first for me Carry on...

he crazee....just more money for the bootleggers to put all tracks on discs to sell ....instead of him

clurty said:

Doc Funk had earlier posted rumours that an album listening party was happening today. That was followed up with this. If true, i'm gutted. What d'yall think??

Dr Dingleberry looked and sounded upset that he wasnt invited to the Dakota shows

And bummed he wasnt invited to the listening party in LA

And it was probably just a rumor

I'm afraid that the prediction I made two years ago here on the Org has come true.

I had felt (and posted) that he was done with releasing albums, and stated two possible reasons:

A) He became frustrated with fans negative criticism of everything he's released in the last 10-15 years.

B) He had problems finding any distribution on a large scale... no label to work with, no retailer (such as Target).

As I wrote recently here, Prince is the only artist that I will buy any album he puts out without hearing anything ahead of time.

If he really means that he "doesn't do albums anymore", then there's nothing for me to buy from him. I've seen him live many times since 1988, and I'd see him again if time and space allow, but what I enjoy the most is getting a new Prince album, and having my own listening party with my own home stereo. I was blown away when I did that with the 'Lotusflow3r' album, which is stunning when listened to through a proper sound system.

So... here's what I would buy:

New music - physical format (vinyl or CD).

Live concert video - physical format (optical media).

Live concert - if time and space allow.

I won't pay for mp3s... ever. Won't do iTunes... ever.

Sonically, it doesn't make sense to let the song "Screwdriver" only exist (to the public) in compressed format (mp3/mp4). This song needs to breathe.

~G

The link to my original posting two years ago:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

.

[Edited 1/24/13 7:48am]

Giovanni777 said:

I'm afraid that the prediction I made two years ago here on the Org has come true.

I had felt (and posted) that he was done with releasing albums, and stated two possible reasons:

A) He became frustrated with fans negative criticism of everything he's released in the last 10-15 years.

B) He had problems finding any distribution on a large scale... no label to work with, no retailer (such as Target).

As I wrote recently here, Prince is the only artist that I will buy any album he puts out without hearing anything ahead of time.

If he really means that he "doesn't do albums anymore", then there's nothing for me to buy from him. I've seen him live many times since 1988, and I'd see him again if time and space allow, but what I enjoy the most is getting a new Prince album, and having my own listening party with my own home stereo. I was blown away when I did that with the 'Lotusflow3r' album, which is stunning when listened to through a proper sound system.

So... here's what I would buy:

New music - physical format (vinyl or CD).

Live concert video - physical format (optical media).

Live concert - if time and space allow.

I won't pay for mp3s... ever. Won't do iTunes... ever.

Sonically, it doesn't make sense to let the song "Screwdriver" only exist (to the public) in compressed format (mp3/mp4). This song needs to breathe.

~G

The link to my original posting two years ago:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

.

[Edited 1/24/13 7:48am]

with the amount of compression being applied to his music over the last 10 years, before it even hits the disc, there's really very little difference between CD/vinyl and mp3.

unfortunately

errant said:

Giovanni777 said:

I'm afraid that the prediction I made two years ago here on the Org has come true.

I had felt (and posted) that he was done with releasing albums, and stated two possible reasons:

A) He became frustrated with fans negative criticism of everything he's released in the last 10-15 years.

B) He had problems finding any distribution on a large scale... no label to work with, no retailer (such as Target).

As I wrote recently here, Prince is the only artist that I will buy any album he puts out without hearing anything ahead of time.

If he really means that he "doesn't do albums anymore", then there's nothing for me to buy from him. I've seen him live many times since 1988, and I'd see him again if time and space allow, but what I enjoy the most is getting a new Prince album, and having my own listening party with my own home stereo. I was blown away when I did that with the 'Lotusflow3r' album, which is stunning when listened to through a proper sound system.

So... here's what I would buy:

New music - physical format (vinyl or CD).

Live concert video - physical format (optical media).

Live concert - if time and space allow.

I won't pay for mp3s... ever. Won't do iTunes... ever.

Sonically, it doesn't make sense to let the song "Screwdriver" only exist (to the public) in compressed format (mp3/mp4). This song needs to breathe.

~G

The link to my original posting two years ago:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

.

[Edited 1/24/13 7:48am]

with the amount of compression being applied to his music over the last 10 years, before it even hits the disc, there's really very little difference between CD/vinyl and mp3.

unfortunately

I'd say the poorest engineering/mastering in recent times was the '3121' album.

That was compressed to death, although I do like that album. It almost sounds like listening to mp3s. The title track ("3121") doesn't sound as compressed as the rest of the album, however.

Conversely, I'd say the best engineering/mastering in recent times was the 'Lotusflow3r' album, and further back, 'The Rainbow Children' (which I know was recorded on tape before mixing/mastering).

[Edited 1/24/13 7:59am]

Giovanni777 said:

errant said:

with the amount of compression being applied to his music over the last 10 years, before it even hits the disc, there's really very little difference between CD/vinyl and mp3.

unfortunately

I'd say the poorest engineering/mastering in recent times was the '3121' album.

That was compressed to death, although I do like that album. It almost sounds like listening to mp3s.

Conversely, I'd say the best engineering/mastering in recent times was the 'Lotusflow3r' album, and further back, 'The Rainbow Children' (which I know was recorded on tape before mixing/mastering).

actually, I'd say LotusFlow3r was the worst. it's an entirely organic, analog sounding album created with real instruments, with no need to make it sound "hot" with all the compressing and clipping, yet there it is anyway.

even worse, there's a damn skip/click in the very first track.

Giovanni777 said:

clurty said:

Doc Funk had earlier posted rumours that an album listening party was happening today. That was followed up with this. If true, i'm gutted. What d'yall think??

DR. FUNKENBERRY'S CELEBRITY NEWS FAN PAGE I think new "tracks" were played. In Billboard's interview with PRINCE, he states he longer makes albums but jams n will release them for a price the fans agree on. More from the interview when we have the full copy/story....

No album, just generic dance remixes of Screwdriver & 3rd Eye Girl perfume priced at 75$ for 1 oz!

Giovanni777 said:

I'm afraid that the prediction I made two years ago here on the Org has come true.

I had felt (and posted) that he was done with releasing albums, and stated two possible reasons:

A) He became frustrated with fans negative criticism of everything he's released in the last 10-15 years.

B) He had problems finding any distribution on a large scale... no label to work with, no retailer (such as Target).

As I wrote recently here, Prince is the only artist that I will buy any album he puts out without hearing anything ahead of time.

If he really means that he "doesn't do albums anymore", then there's nothing for me to buy from him. I've seen him live many times since 1988, and I'd see him again if time and space allow, but what I enjoy the most is getting a new Prince album, and having my own listening party with my own home stereo. I was blown away when I did that with the 'Lotusflow3r' album, which is stunning when listened to through a proper sound system.

So... here's what I would buy:

New music - physical format (vinyl or CD).

Live concert video - physical format (optical media).

Live concert - if time and space allow.

I won't pay for mp3s... ever. Won't do iTunes... ever.

Sonically, it doesn't make sense to let the song "Screwdriver" only exist (to the public) in compressed format (mp3/mp4). This song needs to breathe.

~G

The link to my original posting two years ago:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

.

[Edited 1/24/13 7:48am]

Screwdriver doesn't even sound like he is trying. It sounds like a novelty rock record.

This is my biggest criticism w/ Prince amping up his new music to the public. He doesn't understand just because he is a accomplished musician doesn't mean he doesn't slack off in other areas. But you can't say that because that's seen as offensive to Prince camp. Meanwhile they can critique all day long on the current world of music & songwriting.

On the other hand, this song is more listenable than Peach. But would I jump for joy to play this song for possible converts? No, I just play it once & keep it moving.

the world sucks. no new prince cd grown ups killing school children and adults who cant get a job done on capital hill , whats next an earthquake. tell u what im bout finish my own cd friends love it so far, what the hell.

Giovanni777 said:

errant said:

with the amount of compression being applied to his music over the last 10 years, before it even hits the disc, there's really very little difference between CD/vinyl and mp3.

unfortunately

I'd say the poorest engineering/mastering in recent times was the '3121' album.

That was compressed to death, although I do like that album. It almost sounds like listening to mp3s. The title track ("3121") doesn't sound as compressed as the rest of the album, however.

Conversely, I'd say the best engineering/mastering in recent times was the 'Lotusflow3r' album, and further back, 'The Rainbow Children' (which I know was recorded on tape before mixing/mastering).

[Edited 1/24/13 7:59am]

giovanni i could not have said it better

Giovanni777 said:

I'm afraid that the prediction I made two years ago here on the Org has come true.

I had felt (and posted) that he was done with releasing albums, and stated two possible reasons:

A) He became frustrated with fans negative criticism of everything he's released in the last 10-15 years.

B) He had problems finding any distribution on a large scale... no label to work with, no retailer (such as Target).

As I wrote recently here, Prince is the only artist that I will buy any album he puts out without hearing anything ahead of time.

If he really means that he "doesn't do albums anymore", then there's nothing for me to buy from him. I've seen him live many times since 1988, and I'd see him again if time and space allow, but what I enjoy the most is getting a new Prince album, and having my own listening party with my own home stereo. I was blown away when I did that with the 'Lotusflow3r' album, which is stunning when listened to through a proper sound system.

So... here's what I would buy:

New music - physical format (vinyl or CD).

Live concert video - physical format (optical media).

Live concert - if time and space allow.

I won't pay for mp3s... ever. Won't do iTunes... ever.

Sonically, it doesn't make sense to let the song "Screwdriver" only exist (to the public) in compressed format (mp3/mp4). This song needs to breathe.

~G

The link to my original posting two years ago:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

.

[Edited 1/24/13 7:48am]

prince will never have problems finding a distribution deal.

prince has problems agreeing to a distribution deal.

he only really needs someone to promote and distribute

his albums (well, and press them). he pretty much just

shops a finished product around to see who will offfer the

most cash.

but if their terms are not good enough for him he could've

just put his stuff on his own website. given the number of

copies he sells per album lately, he'd be able to make an

amount of anywhere between $1 and $4 million for every

album he releases.

perhaps not the numbers he was used to, but still pretty

good for anyone else, i'd say. win win situation all round,

fans happy there's new product, prince makes some cash.

you'll never be able to stop filesharing and you'll never be

able to get an advance that is rediculously high by every

other standard. so why keep pushing that issue and stop

yourself from doing what you love? there are other ways

of making the money, even if it is less money.

i don't think he's disappointed with fan reactions either as

his albums have been selling pretty well since Musicology.

for every negative reaction on the internet there are 100

people at home, simply enjoying his new music that don't

feel the need to comment online.

it would be silly to just listen to the negative voices and be

ignorant of the people who still enjoy most of what he's

been doing lately. heck, people still appreciate him since

they flock to his concerts in their thousands.

this whole 'no albums' stance is just another momentary

thing. plus he already did it with npgmc, kinda. it's nothing

new for him. once he gets his heels stuck into a concept

or has a bunch of very strong cohesive material you can

be certain there will be another album.

i guess time will tell. fact is that as recently as a few months

back he did release his latest single on an actual disc, so it's

not like he's abandoned the physical format completely.

however, i do wonder, giovanni, if his next 2 albums will be

released as digital only, will you really not buy them?

i understand your personal tastes and i appreciate how you

enjoy listening to your music. but if there is no other way

to enjoy new prince music, music that you've obviously had

an appreciation for, for a very long time, would you really

just pass on it?

surely a lossless digital file is better than just skipping on a

new prince album alltogether?

IstenSzek said:

Giovanni777 said:

I'm afraid that the prediction I made two years ago here on the Org has come true.

I had felt (and posted) that he was done with releasing albums, and stated two possible reasons:

A) He became frustrated with fans negative criticism of everything he's released in the last 10-15 years.

B) He had problems finding any distribution on a large scale... no label to work with, no retailer (such as Target).

As I wrote recently here, Prince is the only artist that I will buy any album he puts out without hearing anything ahead of time.

If he really means that he "doesn't do albums anymore", then there's nothing for me to buy from him. I've seen him live many times since 1988, and I'd see him again if time and space allow, but what I enjoy the most is getting a new Prince album, and having my own listening party with my own home stereo. I was blown away when I did that with the 'Lotusflow3r' album, which is stunning when listened to through a proper sound system.

So... here's what I would buy:

New music - physical format (vinyl or CD).

Live concert video - physical format (optical media).

Live concert - if time and space allow.

I won't pay for mp3s... ever. Won't do iTunes... ever.

Sonically, it doesn't make sense to let the song "Screwdriver" only exist (to the public) in compressed format (mp3/mp4). This song needs to breathe.

~G

The link to my original posting two years ago:

http://prince.org/msg/7/352683

.

[Edited 1/24/13 7:48am]

prince will never have problems finding a distribution deal.

prince has problems agreeing to a distribution deal.

he only really needs someone to promote and distribute

his albums (well, and press them). he pretty much just

shops a finished product around to see who will offfer the

most cash.

but if their terms are not good enough for him he could've

just put his stuff on his own website. given the number of

copies he sells per album lately, he'd be able to make an

amount of anywhere between $1 and $4 million for every

album he releases.

perhaps not the numbers he was used to, but still pretty

good for anyone else, i'd say. win win situation all round,

fans happy there's new product, prince makes some cash.

you'll never be able to stop filesharing and you'll never be

able to get an advance that is rediculously high by every

other standard. so why keep pushing that issue and stop

yourself from doing what you love? there are other ways

of making the money, even if it is less money.

i don't think he's disappointed with fan reactions either as

his albums have been selling pretty well since Musicology.

for every negative reaction on the internet there are 100

people at home, simply enjoying his new music that don't

feel the need to comment online.

it would be silly to just listen to the negative voices and be

ignorant of the people who still enjoy most of what he's

been doing lately. heck, people still appreciate him since

they flock to his concerts in their thousands.

this whole 'no albums' stance is just another momentary

thing. plus he already did it with npgmc, kinda. it's nothing

new for him. once he gets his heels stuck into a concept

or has a bunch of very strong cohesive material you can

be certain there will be another album.

i guess time will tell. fact is that as recently as a few months

back he did release his latest single on an actual disc, so it's

not like he's abandoned the physical format completely.

however, i do wonder, giovanni, if his next 2 albums will be

released as digital only, will you really not buy them?

i understand your personal tastes and i appreciate how you

enjoy listening to your music. but if there is no other way

to enjoy new prince music, music that you've obviously had

an appreciation for, for a very long time, would you really

just pass on it?

surely a lossless digital file is better than just skipping on a

new prince album alltogether?

I'm starting to believe that it is indeed all about what kind of offer Prince gets, but that could be related to not being able to get a distribution deal.

These are all excellent, rational points you make, along with a question that addresses something I left out... What about lossless digital?

Since I will not listen to other artists' music on a computer (except to check something out occasionally), and since I insist on using my analog stereo system for all music by others, lossless digital files would need to be burned on an optical disk in order to play them through my stereo, via my CD player. I must say that I do like packaging... artwork, credits, and ideally, lyrics as well.

For my own music, it is necessary to listen through a computer during the recording process, as I do record digitally.

That being said, I use all hardware for all sequencing, synth and keyboard sounds, drum sounds, etc.

~G

Giovanni777 said:

I'm starting to believe that it is indeed all about what kind of offer Prince gets, but that could be related to not being able to get a distribution deal.

These are all excellent, rational points you make, along with a question that addresses something I left out... What about lossless digital?

Since I will not listen to other artists' music on a computer (except to check something out occasionally), and since I insist on using my analog stereo system for all music by others, lossless digital files would need to be burned on an optical disk in order to play them through my stereo, via my CD player. I must say that I do like packaging... artwork, credits, and ideally, lyrics as well.

For my own music, it is necessary to listen through a computer during the recording process, as I do record digitally.

That being said, I use all hardware for all sequencing, synth and keyboard sounds, drum sounds, etc.

~G

good thinking. and i agree, in a perfect world we would be able to still get cd's all the time,

with nice booklets that had artwork and lyrics and extensive liner notes.

i think the only prince album that i do not own a hard copy of is "planet earth" since it just

came in such dire packaging that i felt it was almost a slap in the face. not even a tracklist

on the back, nothing.

still, i'll probably pick it up if i ever do stumble across it in a record store again, simply to

have a hard copy.

Hmmm, some interesting points well made. what are the mp3 file only albums he has released?

Slaughterhouse and Chocolate Invasion? and they were only collections of NGMC material. Plus they were members only not aimed at the wider world.

So he hasn't really released to the world at large a 'new' album for download only before.