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Who cares about Prince's beliefs? It's the music that matters... The problem is that all of these people who call themselves a Prince fan. It's not Prince who has a problem. These fans secretly see how they WANT Prince to be. Whether they admit to it or not.
Either they say: "he's nuts now, can't he be like he was in 1986?" or "he's to much into religion, why can't he be like he was in 1986?" (this is a generalization) But I think Prince was just as religious as he is today, just with different beliefs. Remeber the songs, Let's go Crazy? God? Controversy? Temptation? The Ladder? The Cross? Just to name a few. All of these songs have STRONG religious statments or meanings. Nothing has really changed, except maybe the religion and the music style. Back in 1986 Prince did not talk to the press, much less his fans. He was mysterious and strange to everyone. Now days he talks much more and everyone has figured out that he's just strange. It's not a bad thing, just not what people wanted to him to be. I personaly don't care what he's preaching about. I dont' believe what he believes. But I don't have to, to enjoy The Rainbow Children. I take TRC as what it is: A beatiful story, with incredible music. That's how I take it... Chime off people...  RIAA
If you plan on shoplifting, please let us know - Duante [This message was edited Sat Feb 22 9:11:15 PST 2003 by chookalana] "So strange that no one stayed at the end of the Parade..." - Wendy & Lisa's "Song About" on their 1987 self-titled album.
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I don't shit on the music he makes now. I just hate it that several of today's artist who are influenced by him are taking some of his classic formulas and capitalizing on it. I just think he's missing his opportunity to make the comeback he's dying to make. | |
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I'd agree with most of that. Who cares what people think. In my opinion Prince has had an extraordinary life. He can be proud of himself. People are still entitled to criticise him. Just don't take it personally if he doesn't deliver what you want. | |
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chickengrease said: I don't shit on the music he makes now. I just hate it that several of today's artist who are influenced by him are taking some of his classic formulas and capitalizing on it. I just think he's missing his opportunity to make the comeback he's dying to make.
But that is how music is. Don't you think Prince stole music styles and formuals from James Brown, Santana, Sly Stone, and how about the King of Funk, George Clinton? Prince will not make a comeback. I don't think he wants to. I think it's kinda like "been there, done that" kind of thing. He has never repeated himself, why should he now. This just falls into what YOU think he should do. Hey, he's putting out great music now, putting out more music than ever. He could be like EVERY OTHER ARTIST OUT THERE AND PUT AN ALBUM OUT EVERY 2 TO 3 YEARS... Then what us Prince fans do? RIAA
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chookalana said: The problem is that all of these people who call themselves a Prince fan. It's not Prince who has a problem. These fans secretly see how they WANT Prince to be. Whether they admit to it or not.
Either they say: "he's nuts now, can't he be like he was in 1986?" or "he's to much into religion, why can't he be like he was in 1986?" (this is a generalization) But I think Prince was just as religious as he is today, just with different beliefs. Remeber the songs, Let's go Crazy? God? Controversy? Temptation? The Ladder? The Cross? Just to name a few. All of these songs have STRONG religious statments or meanings. Nothing has really changed, except maybe the religion and the music style. Back in 1986 Prince did not talk to the press, much less his fans. He was mysterious and strange to everyone. Now days he talks much more and everyone has figured out that he's just strange. It's not a bad thing, just not what people wanted to him to be. I personaly don't care what he's preaching about. I dont' believe what he believes. But I don't have to, to enjoy The Rainbow Children. I take TRC as what it is: A beatiful story, with incredible music. That's how I take it... Chime off people... RIAA
If you plan on shoplifting, please let us know - Duante [This message was edited Sat Feb 22 9:11:15 PST 2003 by chookalana] It does matter though. Princes lyrics on TRC didn't leave the listener with any thinking to do and thats what for me ruined a musically dazzling piece of work. There is no ambiguity in his lyrics and its dangerous for him to marginalize himself from his audience in such a fashion, particularly in terms of his career. TRC wasn't a very intelligent album which is what was so ironic about it as it comes across that way. Prince is merely intellectualising. Sure he has the right to sing about what he wants but to say it had no effect on me would be a lie. I can't listen well over half that album. | |
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WildheartXXX said: chookalana said: The problem is that all of these people who call themselves a Prince fan. It's not Prince who has a problem. These fans secretly see how they WANT Prince to be. Whether they admit to it or not.
Either they say: "he's nuts now, can't he be like he was in 1986?" or "he's to much into religion, why can't he be like he was in 1986?" (this is a generalization) But I think Prince was just as religious as he is today, just with different beliefs. Remeber the songs, Let's go Crazy? God? Controversy? Temptation? The Ladder? The Cross? Just to name a few. All of these songs have STRONG religious statments or meanings. Nothing has really changed, except maybe the religion and the music style. Back in 1986 Prince did not talk to the press, much less his fans. He was mysterious and strange to everyone. Now days he talks much more and everyone has figured out that he's just strange. It's not a bad thing, just not what people wanted to him to be. I personaly don't care what he's preaching about. I dont' believe what he believes. But I don't have to, to enjoy The Rainbow Children. I take TRC as what it is: A beatiful story, with incredible music. That's how I take it... Chime off people... RIAA
If you plan on shoplifting, please let us know - Duante [This message was edited Sat Feb 22 9:11:15 PST 2003 by chookalana] It does matter though. Princes lyrics on TRC didn't leave the listener with any thinking to do and thats what for me ruined a musically dazzling piece of work. There is no ambiguity in his lyrics and its dangerous for him to marginalize himself from his audience in such a fashion, particularly in terms of his career. TRC wasn't a very intelligent album which is what was so ironic about it as it comes across that way. Prince is merely intellectualising. Sure he has the right to sing about what he wants but to say it had no effect on me would be a lie. I can't listen well over half that album. I should add though that it was a relief to see Prince focused again. I didn't enjoy TRC but it was substantial piece of work and id rather have that any day over the likes of Emancipation and NPS. It's a worthy addition to his catalogue even if lyrically i don't dig it. | |
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WildheartXXX said: It does matter though. Princes lyrics on TRC didn't leave the listener with any thinking to do and thats what for me ruined a musically dazzling piece of work. There is no ambiguity in his lyrics and its dangerous for him to marginalize himself from his audience in such a fashion, particularly in terms of his career. TRC wasn't a very intelligent album which is what was so ironic about it as it comes across that way. Prince is merely intellectualising. Sure he has the right to sing about what he wants but to say it had no effect on me would be a lie. I can't listen well over half that album. The one thing I can say is, that I don't care for the "lecturing" he does during his live shows. It seems that his shows, though very entertaining, are not about having fun anymore. But about getting a measage across, almost preaching. I really don't see him smile like he used to... (just an obervation) RIAA
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If I could have clocked (timed) the minutes Prince took from the almost 3 hour concert for moralizing,
it could not have been over 5 minutes... I had expected him to just stop the music and preach by the comments I had heard on the org...but he didn't. Then at the celly...all 7 nights together, Prince might have spent 10 minutes actually talking about religion. It's what in the minds of people already that causes such irritation... just knowing that he is against certain practices that he used to do is taken as a personal attack on what we may be doing, our personal life-styles. Next time at the celly or at a concert...see if he really spends as much time preaching as you think he does. So...how's everybody doing?  | |
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SensualMelody said: Next time at the celly or at a concert...see if he really spends as much
time preaching as you think he does. Good point. The Mind sometimes lies. | |
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Next time at the celly or at a concert...see if he really spends as much time preaching as you think he does. I have been to many Prince concerts and he only spends a shot time in preaching and i personally enjoy this. Prince has always made comments about our creator i just do not understand why now people take offence. chookalana said:
Who cares about Prince's beliefs? It's the music that matters. I personally do not care what Prince’s religious beliefs are it has always been about the music to me. His music has brang great joy to many and it is his music we should talk about not his personal life. (Well in my eyes anyway.)  | |
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chookalana said: But that is how music is. Don't you think Prince stole music styles and formuals from James Brown, Santana, Sly Stone, and how about the King of Funk, George Clinton? Prince will not make a comeback. I don't think he wants to. I think it's kinda like "been there, done that" kind of thing. With the help of others, all of those artists made significant comebacks. You don't think Prince wants to? Rave wouldn't have been heralded with so many guest appearances if he didn't want a comeback. If current hitmakers like Beck, D'Angelo, Outkast, Timbaland and the Neptunes can take Prince's crafts and still turn them into gold and platinum, then why not continue to make music with the same craft and skills that influenced others? He has never repeated himself, why should he now. False. He spent 1996-1999 repeating himself the exception being The Truth and a handful of tracks on the albums released within that time frame. This just falls into what YOU think he should do.  Fulfilling the purpose of a message board. It's just my opinion. Just because I don't think every decision the man makes is the best thing since sliced bread doesn't make me any more right or wrong than the next man. This would be a very boring place if everyone here agreed on everything. | |
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WildheartXXX said: I should add though that it was a relief to see Prince focused again. I didn't enjoy TRC but it was substantial piece of work and id rather have that any day over the likes of Emancipation and NPS. It's a worthy addition to his catalogue even if lyrically i don't dig it. | |
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chickengrease said: WildheartXXX said: I should add though that it was a relief to see Prince focused again. I didn't enjoy TRC but it was substantial piece of work and id rather have that any day over the likes of Emancipation and NPS. It's a worthy addition to his catalogue even if lyrically i don't dig it. I Agree
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Most People make comments as if it is factual, but the truth is the most likely was not at the celebration and probaly didn't see him live either. But they read about it on the org and added their 2 cents. (remember, if you like to fight you're a double drag fool. I'm going to another life, how about you) Now that is something to be offended by, he called fighters fools, and he said he's going to (heaven) what about you. If you don't believe in Heaven and Hell then he was saying you are going to hell. But I didn't hear anyone say I'm offended. Why? I used to love to fight, and I actually thought about it. It didn't stop me from fighting but I thought about it. some people are so weak that they let others tell them what to think. And because so many people are saying negative things about Prince they join in and say prince is weak, But they themselves are weak, being persuaded by negative people and they themselves becoming negative. How you gonna get my back when you fronting. | |
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yeah...  and right now his music sucks!!! ~and that says WHAT?!~The Prince.org Photo Album http://www.purplehouse.nl...ery/Jacqui | |
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Don't be surprised if you see less and less of Prince when he gets baptised into this religion.
True, it is about the music, but don't be surprised if eventually everything stops. He doesn't have a website, he doesn't have parties anymore. We hope he has a celebration. He used to call his music his passion. Now he calls it his job. What he should know is it is a gift from God and God doesn't want it back. I don't know for sure, but didn't he tell his employees they had to study with the JWs if they wanted to keep their job? Is this correct? Could someone that knows, let me know, but this is what I was told at PP, because I asked about someone that was no longer there.. One day Everyone on this website will find out it did matter. | |
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i thought the title of this thread was... "'Who cares about Prince's "briefs" It's the music that matters...' | |
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If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything.
It takes more courage to put yourself out there to be judged then not to take a stand on any issues. In polite conversation you are not supposed to talk about sex,politics and religion. Well he's covered all three constantly annoying those who would want him to just sing something I can dance too. Who wants to think when they are listening to music? He does surf the net. He was tickled by you all thinking that I was him. Sorry but I am not Prince. Just an old friend that has not forgotten it is all about the music. He prided himself about not being what you all would call not being politically correct. He doesn't take himself as seriously as you all think. I doubt if he sits around and gets upset about those that say negative things about him. I was more upset then he was about how some of you sound I had to back up and not take the stuff so seriously. But I do think that there is some maliciousness with the garbage though. You all would rather hear what you want to hear and see what you want and will believe a bunch of well crap when the truth is right in front of your face.Who cares about his beliefs you all sound like the WB exects that wanted to censor him. sorry if that was over your head...jump up and try to catch the point next time. | |
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Vashti said: yeah...
and right now his music sucks!!! ~and that says WHAT?!~It says that you don't know what Good Music is, Because I am pleased with his music, always have been, And who are you anyway, (the expert on music?) How you gonna get my back when you fronting. | |
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chookalana said: The problem is that all of these people who call themselves a Prince fan. It's not Prince who has a problem. These fans secretly see how they WANT Prince to be. Whether they admit to it or not.
Either they say: "he's nuts now, can't he be like he was in 1986?" or "he's to much into religion, why can't he be like he was in 1986?" (this is a generalization) But I think Prince was just as religious as he is today, just with different beliefs. Remeber the songs, Let's go Crazy? God? Controversy? Temptation? The Ladder? The Cross? Just to name a few. All of these songs have STRONG religious statments or meanings. Nothing has really changed, except maybe the religion and the music style. Back in 1986 Prince did not talk to the press, much less his fans. He was mysterious and strange to everyone. Now days he talks much more and everyone has figured out that he's just strange. It's not a bad thing, just not what people wanted to him to be. I personaly don't care what he's preaching about. I dont' believe what he believes. But I don't have to, to enjoy The Rainbow Children. I take TRC as what it is: A beatiful story, with incredible music. That's how I take it... Chime off people... RIAA
If you plan on shoplifting, please let us know - Duante [This message was edited Sat Feb 22 9:11:15 PST 2003 by chookalana] I agree, plus it shows range to his career!! which is interesting.. Prince has 1,200 songs from his past.. we have all those to hear someday.. why not hear prince where he is at now.. who cares, plus if there is some long guitar solos I am there! | |
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chookalana said: The problem is that all of these people who call themselves a Prince fan. It's not Prince who has a problem. These fans secretly see how they WANT Prince to be. Whether they admit to it or not.
Either they say: "he's nuts now, can't he be like he was in 1986?" or "he's to much into religion, why can't he be like he was in 1986?" (this is a generalization) But I think Prince was just as religious as he is today, just with different beliefs. Remeber the songs, Let's go Crazy? God? Controversy? Temptation? The Ladder? The Cross? Just to name a few. All of these songs have STRONG religious statments or meanings. Nothing has really changed, except maybe the religion and the music style. Back in 1986 Prince did not talk to the press, much less his fans. He was mysterious and strange to everyone. Now days he talks much more and everyone has figured out that he's just strange. It's not a bad thing, just not what people wanted to him to be. I personaly don't care what he's preaching about. I dont' believe what he believes. But I don't have to, to enjoy The Rainbow Children. I take TRC as what it is: A beatiful story, with incredible music. That's how I take it... Chime off people... RIAA
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jazzy328is said: Vashti said: yeah...
and right now his music sucks!!! ~and that says WHAT?!~It says that you don't know what Good Music is, Because I am pleased with his music, always have been, And who are you anyway, (the expert on music?) ummm...no need to be so nasty!! (and..as a matter of fact..I AM THE EXPERT ON MUSIC!!!)  ~PUNK~The Prince.org Photo Album http://www.purplehouse.nl...ery/Jacqui | |
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But, an increasing amount of Prince's songs are based on his belief system. The two become inseparable. | |
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I would say its not even an increasing amount, but ALL the man's songs from his career. His beliefs, religious, sexual, racial are all evident in the music and, of course, shape the music.
BUT, it is possible to enjoy the music without agreeing with the lyrical content! There are quite a lot of things I disagree with on TRC, but I LOVE the album, his most focussed and consistent in some time! It is the same for me with Frank Zappa - most of the time I find him funny as hell but, sometimes, he can be quite offensive, or just against what I believe - but I still love his work. But, there are limits. I mean, you should be able to seperate the music and opinion most of the time but, were Prince to become a Satanist or something and started promomting the joys of harming people etc, could you still seperate the music from the beliefs then? ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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chookalana said: ...I think Prince was just as religious as he is today, just with different beliefs.
Yes, but they were very vauge and open-ended.
Remeber the songs, Let's go Crazy? God? Controversy? Temptation? The Ladder? The Cross? Just to name a few. All of these songs have STRONG religious statments or meanings. Nothing has really changed, except maybe the religion... No. Now his beliefs are pin-pointed for the first time. LoveSexy was a religious/spiritual album based on some unestablished, personal, made-up, far out, neo-hippie/new-age cryptic "spooky electric" vrs "love" shit that was psychedelic and cool... Now its the JWs: THE most dogmatic, conservative, straight-jacket of an established religious order that I can think of in this country! And these new "beliefs" are affecting his music and lyrics in a patently negative way. | |
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