I've entered into many discussions about Prince and his art, and I have always ran into the word of a 'Stan'. I know a lot of you guys know what this means, but for those of you who don't know what a 'Stan' is.

Basically, if you stick up/defend/reason... for Prince, even in his most clear apperance of 'Weirdness and contradiction' you are drinking too much of the purple kool aid and are intoxicated, and are therefore impaired, to truly judge him according to his antics..lol

When discussing about Prince, for someone who has (Some) knowledge of his work, how does that qualify you as a 'Stan'? What are the bases if any, does a person have for being one of Prince? We also know that Prince, at one time did not like the word 'Fan' because of its connection with 'Fantatical'..And we are all not simply fantatical are we? Haha. We have simply been effected by his art and we therefore discuss some of those things, we have been attracted to. Even if some of it is..Gossip or has nothing to do with us, personally.

We here on the Org, for the most part, have great knowledge of Prince when it comes to his music. Now when you extend that particular interest to an artist, you are enveloped with understanding for that artist in a sense...(Based on what the artist has given throughout the years)

Just because you defend something about them does not mean..you are delusional. IMO. This even goes for things not relating to music, we are all here for the music. (At least, I would like to think) Anything added to the music is what somehow helps/affects how we perceive the music in a way, or is an extension of that...in some sense.

I want to have this discussion about Prince, because when we judge (Sentence him based on the evidence he has brought forth, based on our 'Perception') there should not be such personal attacks given. I mean, none of us really know Prince, personally. 'Everything we think is kind of true in a way, and how can we really know someones intentions?

SO what's up with the slander and offense...?We who have been here for a while, know that Prince is Prince, and that makes it easy sometimes in how he acts.

We can still criticize and talk about things we don't like or whatever, but this whole ANTI- Prince and everything..seems out of hand. We like to think Prince, is not known, and he is not really to some average person on the block. But he is not invisible either..he has influence and people greatly admire him in the midst of his most obvious controversies.

He is still a human being, and he should be respected as anyone should in discussion. It's late here, and I simply don't think all of this ranting is because I am tired..lol. I am not sitting here believing, Prince thinks about his fans every time he makes a decision. I am not saying, we should not speak about the things we don't like. However, if we are slandering and getting pissed off at one another because of someone we really don't really know, we should check ourselves.

We here on the Org, are everyone else's mirror to how we look at Prince (In a way), and I just wonder if our perceptions are as authentic to his name, than we like to credit? What do you think?

Now obviously, we here on the org are a small fraction of Prince fans, and people outside HERE have little concern to the things we place it within. So I am not speaking of everyone, just those who slander another because they percieve that person as a 'Stan'.

Much Love!

[Edited 1/13/13 13:19pm]

"fantatical"?

I was just thinking the same thing 10 minutes ago...

I mean, I don't even judge people near me, that I obviously know better than I kwow Prince and it surprises me how some of us can be so demanding as if P. owed us something.

(sorry for my bad english)

I just find it strange that Orgers are mad that Prince gave us free songs.

And you know, for "free songs," I enjoyed them all for different reasons.

The "new" song is a solid funky track with a very nice line, and some of the lyrics are typical-Prince-dopeyness-that-only-he-seemingly-can-pull-off-not-look-that-dopey. It's an outtake, absolutely not a single and the sort that may or may not make an album. A good song, and not merely an outtake for obvious audible reasons. I enjoy listening to it.

The "Bambi" rehearsal, c'mon how can "fans" not enjoy a legend just jamming out one of his more jammable classics?

The RNRLA remix is better than the original, that disco hook is hypnotic. One of my complaints about the single mix (a song I liked, mind you) is that it starts out a good melody but honestly the song feels like it goes nowhere afterwards and just spins its wheels. This mix doesn't once make me think of this.

I always liked "Laydown," a terrific funk-rocker that for whatever reason Mr. P didn't decide to make a single out of (despite playing it on TV.) The extended version is just chocolate syrup on ice cream. Both mixes work great for their goals, the original cut as a possible single, and the extended cut just not worried about that and allowed to go more wild and odd.

But I'm sorry, yes. How dare he! How dare he play these viral marketing games (that each of us fell for) and how dare he make it hard to get these songs (even though we visit this message board alot, and not exactly hard to say the least how to get to them when they were up.) How dare he not give you 1999: The 7 disc Boxset with vintage hair spray.

RRA said:

EyeJester7 said:

I've entered into many discussions about Prince and his art, and I have always ran into the word of a 'Stan'. I know a lot of you guys know what this means, but for those of you who don't know what a 'Stan' is.

Basically, if you stick up/defend/reason... for Prince, even in his most clear apperance of 'Weirdness and contradiction' you are drinking too much of the purple kool aid and are intoxicated, and are therefore impaired, to truly judge him according to his antics..lol

When discussing about Prince, for someone who has (Some) knowledge of his work, how does that qualify you as a 'Stan'? What are the bases if any, does a person have for being one of Prince? We also know that Prince, at one time did not like the word 'Fan' because of its connection with 'Fantatical'..And we are all not simply fantatical are we? Haha. We have simply been effected by his art and we therefore discuss some of those things, we have been attracted to. Even if some of it is..Gossip or has nothing to do with us, personally.

We here on the Org, for the most part, have great knowledge of Prince when it comes to his music. Now when you extend that particular interest to an artist, you are enveloped with understanding for that artist in a sense...(Based on what the artist has given throughout the years)

Just because you defend something about them does not mean..you are delusional. IMO. This even goes for things not relating to music, we are all here for the music. (At least, I would like to think) Anything added to the music is what somehow helps/affects how we perceive the music in a way, or is an extension of that...in some sense.

I want to have this discussion about Prince, because when we judge (Setence him based on the evidence he has brought forth, based on our 'Perception') there should not be such personal attacks given. I mean, none of us really know Prince, personally. 'Everything we think is kind of true in a way, and how can we really know someones intentions?

SO what's up with the slander and offense...?We who have been here for a while, know that Prince is Prince, and that makes it easy sometimes in how he acts.

We can still criticize and talk about things we don't like or whatever, but this whole ANTI- Prince and everything..seems out of hand. We like to think Prince, is not known, and he is not really to some average person on the block. But he is not invisible either..he has influence and people greatly admire him in the midst of his most obvious controversies.

He is still a human being, and he should be respected as anyone should in discussion. It's late here, and I simply don't think all of this ranting is because I am tired..lol. I am not sitting here believing, Prince thinks about his fans every time he makes a decision. I am not saying, we should not speak about the things we don't like. However, if we are slandering and getting pissed off at one another because of someone we really don't really know, we should check ourselves.

We here on the Org, are everyone else's mirror to how we look at Prince (In a way), and I just wonder if our perceptions are as authentic to his name, than we like to credit? What do you think?

Much Love!

i've been wondering this too. after all, this whole thing imo, is huge big fun!

seeing prince back in form and being grateful that he is releasing music. how cool is this? whoo hoo! and such

so why do fans get so snarky? aside from the general overall depresion our political and economic times have subjected us to, i think it is because prince is such a charismatic figure, he becomes a personal avatar for many of us.

his lyrics inspire us, he touches us so deeply, we cannot stand to think we, as individuals, do not have any affect on him.

and, we change as we get older, but blame prince for not keeping pace with us.

where once it was fun to *guess* if there might be an aftershow, now we need to know this in advance because we might have to call a babysitter, etc.

it is sad to think that maybe, somewhere, prince's people are reading the negativity here on the ORG, shaking their heads and saying "then again, maybe not. can't win. what's the point of releasing any more stuff since the fans are mad already."

XxAxX said:

EyeJester7 said:

I've entered into many discussions about Prince and his art, and I have always ran into the word of a 'Stan'. I know a lot of you guys know what this means, but for those of you who don't know what a 'Stan' is.

Basically, if you stick up/defend/reason... for Prince, even in his most clear apperance of 'Weirdness and contradiction' you are drinking too much of the purple kool aid and are intoxicated, and are therefore impaired, to truly judge him according to his antics..lol

When discussing about Prince, for someone who has (Some) knowledge of his work, how does that qualify you as a 'Stan'? What are the bases if any, does a person have for being one of Prince? We also know that Prince, at one time did not like the word 'Fan' because of its connection with 'Fantatical'..And we are all not simply fantatical are we? Haha. We have simply been effected by his art and we therefore discuss some of those things, we have been attracted to. Even if some of it is..Gossip or has nothing to do with us, personally.

We here on the Org, for the most part, have great knowledge of Prince when it comes to his music. Now when you extend that particular interest to an artist, you are enveloped with understanding for that artist in a sense...(Based on what the artist has given throughout the years)

Just because you defend something about them does not mean..you are delusional. IMO. This even goes for things not relating to music, we are all here for the music. (At least, I would like to think) Anything added to the music is what somehow helps/affects how we perceive the music in a way, or is an extension of that...in some sense.

I want to have this discussion about Prince, because when we judge (Setence him based on the evidence he has brought forth, based on our 'Perception') there should not be such personal attacks given. I mean, none of us really know Prince, personally. 'Everything we think is kind of true in a way, and how can we really know someones intentions?

SO what's up with the slander and offense...?We who have been here for a while, know that Prince is Prince, and that makes it easy sometimes in how he acts.

We can still criticize and talk about things we don't like or whatever, but this whole ANTI- Prince and everything..seems out of hand. We like to think Prince, is not known, and he is not really to some average person on the block. But he is not invisible either..he has influence and people greatly admire him in the midst of his most obvious controversies.

He is still a human being, and he should be respected as anyone should in discussion. It's late here, and I simply don't think all of this ranting is because I am tired..lol. I am not sitting here believing, Prince thinks about his fans every time he makes a decision. I am not saying, we should not speak about the things we don't like. However, if we are slandering and getting pissed off at one another because of someone we really don't really know, we should check ourselves.

We here on the Org, are everyone else's mirror to how we look at Prince (In a way), and I just wonder if our perceptions are as authentic to his name, than we like to credit? What do you think?

Much Love!

i've been wondering this too. after all, this whole thing imo, is huge big fun!

seeing prince back in form and being grateful that he is releasing music. how cool is this? whoo hoo! and such

so why do fans get so snarky? aside from the general overall depresion our political and economic times have subjected us to, i think it is because prince is such a charismatic figure, he becomes a personal avatar for many of us.

his lyrics inspire us, he touches us so deeply, we cannot stand to think we, as individuals, do not have any affect on him.

and, we change as we get older, but blame prince for not keeping pace with us.

where once it was fun to *guess* if there might be an aftershow, now we need to know this in advance because we might have to call a babysitter, etc.

it is sad to think that maybe, somewhere, prince's people are reading the negativity here on the ORG, shaking their heads and saying "then again, maybe not. can't win. what's the point of releasing any more stuff since the fans are mad already."

As I said in another post Prince's fans are getting old and grouchy. They don't have the energy that he does and are mad that he is still playful and full of change. We have people here still calling for W&D for gods sake. When you are young you roll with the punches and are up for about any adventure. When you get old you get set in your ways and just want to be comfortable.

People are projecting their own limitations on to Prince. Why won't he just be normal (i.e old)? Prince gives away music and film clips and in return he gets compliants. We all know those people who get old and become cumudgeons (sp).

Humbled by Prince all the time over the years. I have seen him do some incredibly giving/sharing things for fans that he absolutely wasn't obligated to. I just feel lucky to even have grown up with Prince's music as a force in my life. Even feel luckier he is still doing his thing. Those 4 new gifts really stopped me dead in my tracks and made me think, "Prince interacts with the fans in different ways when we don't even know it. For example, ever since "Bambi" was played in Oakland on W2A, it has been talked about quite a bit online and how much everyone wishes they were able to catch it live. Now we get the "Bambi" rehearsal video.

I swear he's gonna rock with Andre again this year, and if it's at Paisley Park, chile! Get me some water, slippin'! Would love to hear "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad" this year. He could dedicate that to his online "fans". Song is so tuff. "Partyup" too.

I can't see Prince playing at the Bobby Z benefit. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Maya Rudolph & Princess/Andre Cymone should sell it out.

It's time 4 new education
The former rules don't apply
We need a power structure that breeds production
Instead of jacks who vandalize

Get your money straight

Stymie said:

RRA said:

I just find it strange that Orgers are mad that Prince gave us free songs.

And you know, for "free songs," I enjoyed them all for different reasons.

The "new" song is a solid funky track with a very nice line, and some of the lyrics are typical-Prince-dopeyness-that-only-he-seemingly-can-pull-off-not-look-that-dopey. It's an outtake, absolutely not a single and the sort that may or may not make an album. A good song, and not merely an outtake for obvious audible reasons. I enjoy listening to it.

The "Bambi" rehearsal, c'mon how can "fans" not enjoy a legend just jamming out one of his more jammable classics?

The RNRLA remix is better than the original, that disco hook is hypnotic. One of my complaints about the single mix (a song I liked, mind you) is that it starts out a good melody but honestly the song feels like it goes nowhere afterwards and just spins its wheels. This mix doesn't once make me think of this.

I always liked "Laydown," a terrific funk-rocker that for whatever reason Mr. P didn't decide to make a single out of (despite playing it on TV.) The extended version is just chocolate syrup on ice cream. Both mixes work great for their goals, the original cut as a possible single, and the extended cut just not worried about that and allowed to go more wild and odd.

But I'm sorry, yes. How dare he! How dare he play these viral marketing games (that each of us fell for) and how dare he make it hard to get these songs (even though we visit this message board alot, and not exactly hard to say the least how to get to them when they were up.) How dare he not give you 1999: The 7 disc Boxset with vintage hair spray.

sorry but I didn't fall for jack. And I don't see people complaining that prince "gave" us new music, which isn't really true because we'd e able to download it legally. EyeJester, don't worry about it. Be you and do and say whatever you want here because everyone else does.

I guess you are right about that! People will say whatever they want, and it will be like that everywhere! Thanks for the post!

Yeah seems quite mad that some people are mad over free songs, I mean can accept madness over Purple and gold but not this new stuff lol

EyeJester7..Just wanted to say that I enjoy reading your threads and watching your YouTube clips. For a young man you speak (about Prince) like a classic & seasoned fan.

As the orger said, some of P's fans are getting old and grouchy. They want former members back in the band, they want him to ride the "Purple Rain" bike again, they want him to date Vanity again, etc. At that point you want to say to them; "Move on and live your life".....he has.

I haven't gone out of my way to check out (or download) any of the new recent stuff because there's other things in life. But I'm glad P is still around and creating new music with new band members. At this point, everything now is "purple gravy".

Hopefully P (and Mr. Bowie) will make their fans real happy in 2013.

SPYZFAN1 said:

EyeJester7..Just wanted to say that I enjoy reading your threads and watching your YouTube clips. For a young man you speak (about Prince) like a classic & seasoned fan.

As the orger said, some of P's fans are getting old and grouchy. They want former members back in the band, they want him to ride the "Purple Rain" bike again, they want him to date Vanity again, etc. At that point you want to say to them; "Move on and live your life".....he has.

I haven't gone out of my way to check out (or download) any of the new recent stuff because there's other things in life. But I'm glad P is still around and creating new music with new band members. At this point, everything now is "purple gravy".

Hopefully P (and Mr. Bowie) will make their fans real happy in 2013.

Thank you very much for your comments! I really do appreciate it! SO glad you enjoy my videos and fine some information in them!

I do agree that, some people are getting old, and they demand more because the 'Youthfullness' of mystery does not do the job anymore. LOL..It's funny but, I believe what you say is true. They want him to do what he use to do all the time. It brings memories, and makes them feel good about themselves...I guess. I believe, some will go but for the most part they won't..lol. Some just hope Prince would listen to them, and change. Haha

It's good you know that other things exist, outside than just Prince. There is plenty! But, I agree with you that I am glad he is doing his on thing. It's Purple Gravy! FOR SURE!

I believe they will make me happy! I'm a fans of them both!

purplecrack said:

Humbled by Prince all the time over the years. I have seen him do some incredibly giving/sharing things for fans that he absolutely wasn't obligated to. I just feel lucky to even have grown up with Prince's music as a force in my life. Even feel luckier he is still doing his thing. Those 4 new gifts really stopped me dead in my tracks and made me think, "Prince interacts with the fans in different ways when we don't even know it. For example, ever since "Bambi" was played in Oakland on W2A, it has been talked about quite a bit online and how much everyone wishes they were able to catch it live. Now we get the "Bambi" rehearsal video.

I swear he's gonna rock with Andre again this year, and if it's at Paisley Park, chile! Get me some water, slippin'! Would love to hear "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad" this year. He could dedicate that to his online "fans". Song is so tuff. "Partyup" too.

I can't see Prince playing at the Bobby Z benefit. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Maya Rudolph & Princess/Andre Cymone should sell it out.

It's time 4 new education
The former rules don't apply
We need a power structure that breeds production
Instead of jacks who vandalize

Get your money straight

DANCE ON!

I love that song, and how you brought this in clear meaning! I totally agree with your points! Thanks for sharing them all!

I get what you are saying but don't think it's fair to generalise so much.

It's pretty much always the usual suspects who have something to complain whenever Prince does something new. And they by all means, are a loud but only small faction on the org.

This time in fact, a couple of the usual complainers are in fact raving.

So, in my perception, the overall reaction among fans is improving and I think your perception is too negative.

Tremolina said:

I get what you are saying but don't think it's fair to generalise so much.

It's pretty much always the usual suspects who have something to complain whenever Prince does something new. And they by all means, are a loud but only small faction on the org.

This time in fact, a couple of the usual complainers are in fact raving.

So, in my perception, the overall reaction among fans is improving and I think your perception is too negative.

How am I being negative though? I never named a group of indivuals at all, I am simply writing this because I noticed, when someone 'Defends' Prince they're looked at, as a Stan. Someone who thinks, everything Prince does is right. And that, is not always the case. It's not the case for me and others who fairly judge Prince based on their perceptions. This is to discuss why people want to slander and offend another person based on the information we know. I am not 'generalizing' at all. I am simply making known what I have seen throughout the years being here. If you read again carefully what I addressed, and still find me being 'Too Negative' let me know, so there is no misunderstanding. It's not my intent to be negative, but to cause conversation!

EyeJester7 said:

Tremolina said:

I get what you are saying but don't think it's fair to generalise so much.

It's pretty much always the usual suspects who have something to complain whenever Prince does something new. And they by all means, are a loud but only small faction on the org.

This time in fact, a couple of the usual complainers are in fact raving.

So, in my perception, the overall reaction among fans is improving and I think your perception is too negative.

How am I being negative though? I never named a group of indivuals at all, I am simply writing this because I noticed, when someone 'Defends' Prince they're looked at, as a Stan. Someone who thinks, everything Prince does is right. And that, is not always the case. It's not the case for me and others who fairly judge Prince based on their perceptions. This is to discuss why people want to slander and offend another person based on the information we know. I am not 'generalizing' at all. I am simply making known what I have seen throughout the years being here. If you read again carefully what I addressed, and still find me being 'Too Negative' let me know, so there is no misunderstanding. It's not my intent to be negative, but to cause conversation!

I know, but I still think you did, un intentionally.

It's in the thread title alrerady. You speak of "our" judgements/perceptions" and not of only those you really want to refer to. The reference to "respect" in the thread title shows what you truly want to say, which is that you experience a lack of respect towards Prince on this site.

Whilst I agree with you that there is, I wish to stress that this is only truly the case with a small, yet loud faction on the org, and I believe you need to make that distinction very clear. More clear than you have.

That's all.

tricky99 said:

As I said in another post Prince's fans are getting old and grouchy. They don't have the energy that he does and are mad that he is still playful and full of change. We have people here still calling for W&D for gods sake. When you are young you roll with the punches and are up for about any adventure. When you get old you get set in your ways and just want to be comfortable.

People are projecting their own limitations on to Prince. Why won't he just be normal (i.e old)? Prince gives away music and film clips and in return he gets compliants. We all know those people who get old and become cumudgeons (sp).

I completely agree with this. A bunch of double drags who teach the kids that love is bad... They forgot what a wrecka stow is. If they ever really knew.

tricky99 said:

XxAxX said:

i've been wondering this too. after all, this whole thing imo, is huge big fun!

seeing prince back in form and being grateful that he is releasing music. how cool is this? whoo hoo! and such

so why do fans get so snarky? aside from the general overall depresion our political and economic times have subjected us to, i think it is because prince is such a charismatic figure, he becomes a personal avatar for many of us.

his lyrics inspire us, he touches us so deeply, we cannot stand to think we, as individuals, do not have any affect on him.

and, we change as we get older, but blame prince for not keeping pace with us.

where once it was fun to *guess* if there might be an aftershow, now we need to know this in advance because we might have to call a babysitter, etc.

it is sad to think that maybe, somewhere, prince's people are reading the negativity here on the ORG, shaking their heads and saying "then again, maybe not. can't win. what's the point of releasing any more stuff since the fans are mad already."

As I said in another post Prince's fans are getting old and grouchy. They don't have the energy that he does and are mad that he is still playful and full of change. We have people here still calling for W&D for gods sake. When you are young you roll with the punches and are up for about any adventure. When you get old you get set in your ways and just want to be comfortable.

People are projecting their own limitations on to Prince. Why won't he just be normal (i.e old)? Prince gives away music and film clips and in return he gets compliants. We all know those people who get old and become cumudgeons (sp).

Oh really? Do you have any idea of how many teenagers were pissed when he changed his style beginning with "Around The World In A Day"? And no, I'm not talking about new pop fans that jumped on the bandwagon beginning with "Little Red Corvette" or the "Purple Rain" album. I'm talking about Prince fans that had been there from the very beginning up through "Purple Rain" and they were still in their late teens and early 20s when he changed his style. They spoke their mind and gave their opinion of it. There was no internet or message boards back then but they did speak their mind to each other in person. And throughout the years since, with the exception of a few songs like "Kiss", "Adore", "Batdance", "Scandalous", or "Eye Hate U", they have no knowledge of Prince's work as a whole like they used to other than just a song or two here and there that may have gotten a little radio airplay. Most of them don't even know that Prince is still recording these days and if you mention Prince to them today, they consider him as "out there on a psychadelic trip" and "living in La La Land".

Then there are those of us that hung on and gave those late 1980s a chance to grow on us. Yes, we voiced our opinion of "what in the fuck is THIS shit" when we first heard them and then they grew on us but no, we didn't keep our mouth shut or lie and say it was wonderful when we didn't think it was. The fact that we stuck around and gave it a chance to grow on us, shows that we had a little "fam" in us also but there comes a time as more years pass that the stuff either doesn't grow on you as fast or doesn't grow on you at all and then you have to look at yourself and ask yourself "Why am I giving Prince a pass just because he's Prince?". Prince is an individual and so are many of us. A lot of us are individuals because of Prince's influence. And then you have to look at yourself and say "Is this my real opinion or is it Prince's?". "Do I really like this or am I just trying to like it because it's Prince?". Prince is diverse and so are other people and you can't expect everyone to like each and every thing he does and if you're on a message board dedicated to Prince and there is a thread on a particular song or album you don't like what are you supposed to do, lie and say you like it when you really don't? Or should you just not post anything at all and only post on threads about songs that you do like? Well, that's not the purpose of a discussion board because a discussion board is here to get various opinions. The purpose is not to be a shrine of worship to the artist.

Having your own opinion other than what Prince wants your opinion to be has nothing to do with being old. It has to do with being not only an adult, but a sane adult and not a crazy fam.

Tremolina said:

EyeJester7 said:

How am I being negative though? I never named a group of indivuals at all, I am simply writing this because I noticed, when someone 'Defends' Prince they're looked at, as a Stan. Someone who thinks, everything Prince does is right. And that, is not always the case. It's not the case for me and others who fairly judge Prince based on their perceptions. This is to discuss why people want to slander and offend another person based on the information we know. I am not 'generalizing' at all. I am simply making known what I have seen throughout the years being here. If you read again carefully what I addressed, and still find me being 'Too Negative' let me know, so there is no misunderstanding. It's not my intent to be negative, but to cause conversation!

I know, but I still think you did, un intentionally.

It's in the thread title alrerady. You speak of "our" judgements/perceptions" and not of only those you really want to refer to. The reference to "respect" in the thread title shows what you truly want to say, which is that you experience a lack of respect towards Prince on this site.

Whilst I agree with you that there is, I wish to stress that this is only truly the case with a small, yet loud faction on the org, and I believe you need to make that distinction very clear. More clear than you have.

That's all.

I see what you mean then..I really struggled with what I should title this discussion. When I speak of judgement, I mean to.. (Sentence him based on the evidence he has brought forth, based on our 'Perception') I did not use judgement in any other case. AND I do feel, a lack of disrespect here on the ORG as it pertains to how others look at Prince. Not out in the world, because most people outside the ORG, would probably not make a fuss about the things we tend to. Haha.

SO in that regard, yes..I do want to stress that is the case when you deal with a small fraction...I tried to make that clear due to my statements, but I'll make that known.

vainandy said:

tricky99 said:

As I said in another post Prince's fans are getting old and grouchy. They don't have the energy that he does and are mad that he is still playful and full of change. We have people here still calling for W&D for gods sake. When you are young you roll with the punches and are up for about any adventure. When you get old you get set in your ways and just want to be comfortable.

People are projecting their own limitations on to Prince. Why won't he just be normal (i.e old)? Prince gives away music and film clips and in return he gets compliants. We all know those people who get old and become cumudgeons (sp).

Oh really? Do you have any idea of how many teenagers were pissed when he changed his style beginning with "Around The World In A Day"? And no, I'm not talking about new pop fans that jumped on the bandwagon beginning with "Little Red Corvette" or the "Purple Rain" album. I'm talking about Prince fans that had been there from the very beginning up through "Purple Rain" and they were still in their late teens and early 20s when he changed his style. They spoke their mind and gave their opinion of it. There was no internet or message boards back then but they did speak their mind to each other in person. And throughout the years since, with the exception of a few songs like "Kiss", "Adore", "Batdance", "Scandalous", or "Eye Hate U", they have no knowledge of Prince's work as a whole like they used to other than just a song or two here and there that may have gotten a little radio airplay. Most of them don't even know that Prince is still recording these days and if you mention Prince to them today, they consider him as "out there on a psychadelic trip" and "living in La La Land".

Then there are those of us that hung on and gave those late 1980s a chance to grow on us. Yes, we voiced our opinion of "what in the fuck is THIS shit" when we first heard them and then they grew on us but no, we didn't keep our mouth shut or lie and say it was wonderful when we didn't think it was. The fact that we stuck around and gave it a chance to grow on us, shows that we had a little "fam" in us also but there comes a time as more years pass that the stuff either doesn't grow on you as fast or doesn't grow on you at all and then you have to look at yourself and ask yourself "Why am I giving Prince a pass just because he's Prince?". Prince is an individual and so are many of us. A lot of us are individuals because of Prince's influence. And then you have to look at yourself and say "Is this my real opinion or is it Prince's?". "Do I really like this or am I just trying to like it because it's Prince?". Prince is diverse and so are other people and you can't expect everyone to like each and every thing he does and if you're on a message board dedicated to Prince and there is a thread on a particular song or album you don't like what are you supposed to do, lie and say you like it when you really don't? Or should you just not post anything at all and only post on threads about songs that you do like? Well, that's not the purpose of a discussion board because a discussion board is here to get various opinions. The purpose is not to be a shrine of worship to the artist.

Having your own opinion other than what Prince wants your opinion to be has nothing to do with being old. It has to do with being not only an adult, but a sane adult and not a crazy fam.

Fair enough, but in Tricky's defense, haven't you seen a lot of people express their displeaure with Prince's latest goings-on by saying "I'm too old for this," "I have responsibilities," etc. or some variant thereof?

Prince was never normal. So one of the questions I ask myself is, "If this shit is unacceptable now, then it should have been unacceptable before. What's changed?"

NuPwrSoul said:

tricky99 said:

As I said in another post Prince's fans are getting old and grouchy. They don't have the energy that he does and are mad that he is still playful and full of change. We have people here still calling for W&D for gods sake. When you are young you roll with the punches and are up for about any adventure. When you get old you get set in your ways and just want to be comfortable.

People are projecting their own limitations on to Prince. Why won't he just be normal (i.e old)? Prince gives away music and film clips and in return he gets compliants. We all know those people who get old and become cumudgeons (sp).

I completely agree with this. A bunch of double drags who teach the kids that love is bad... They forgot what a wrecka stow is. If they ever really knew.

I feel like I'm reading a post that Prince wrote himself.

vainandy said:

tricky99 said:

As I said in another post Prince's fans are getting old and grouchy. They don't have the energy that he does and are mad that he is still playful and full of change. We have people here still calling for W&D for gods sake. When you are young you roll with the punches and are up for about any adventure. When you get old you get set in your ways and just want to be comfortable.

People are projecting their own limitations on to Prince. Why won't he just be normal (i.e old)? Prince gives away music and film clips and in return he gets compliants. We all know those people who get old and become cumudgeons (sp).

Oh really? Do you have any idea of how many teenagers were pissed when he changed his style beginning with "Around The World In A Day"? And no, I'm not talking about new pop fans that jumped on the bandwagon beginning with "Little Red Corvette" or the "Purple Rain" album. I'm talking about Prince fans that had been there from the very beginning up through "Purple Rain" and they were still in their late teens and early 20s when he changed his style. They spoke their mind and gave their opinion of it. There was no internet or message boards back then but they did speak their mind to each other in person. And throughout the years since, with the exception of a few songs like "Kiss", "Adore", "Batdance", "Scandalous", or "Eye Hate U", they have no knowledge of Prince's work as a whole like they used to other than just a song or two here and there that may have gotten a little radio airplay. Most of them don't even know that Prince is still recording these days and if you mention Prince to them today, they consider him as "out there on a psychadelic trip" and "living in La La Land".

Then there are those of us that hung on and gave those late 1980s a chance to grow on us. Yes, we voiced our opinion of "what in the fuck is THIS shit" when we first heard them and then they grew on us but no, we didn't keep our mouth shut or lie and say it was wonderful when we didn't think it was. The fact that we stuck around and gave it a chance to grow on us, shows that we had a little "fam" in us also but there comes a time as more years pass that the stuff either doesn't grow on you as fast or doesn't grow on you at all and then you have to look at yourself and ask yourself "Why am I giving Prince a pass just because he's Prince?". Prince is an individual and so are many of us. A lot of us are individuals because of Prince's influence. And then you have to look at yourself and say "Is this my real opinion or is it Prince's?". "Do I really like this or am I just trying to like it because it's Prince?". Prince is diverse and so are other people and you can't expect everyone to like each and every thing he does and if you're on a message board dedicated to Prince and there is a thread on a particular song or album you don't like what are you supposed to do, lie and say you like it when you really don't? Or should you just not post anything at all and only post on threads about songs that you do like? Well, that's not the purpose of a discussion board because a discussion board is here to get various opinions. The purpose is not to be a shrine of worship to the artist.

Having your own opinion other than what Prince wants your opinion to be has nothing to do with being old. It has to do with being not only an adult, but a sane adult and not a crazy fam.

Hahahahaha, NOT only was this post funny IT WAS DEAD ON IT! I totally agree with you, and you sharing this, allows me to understand how it was before the internet came to be. I am sure that many people disagreed when he changed his style! SO I see what you mean, you bring out another light that is still apart of the picture! Thanks for your response!

vainandy said:

NuPwrSoul said:

I completely agree with this. A bunch of double drags who teach the kids that love is bad... They forgot what a wrecka stow is. If they ever really knew.

I feel like I'm reading a post that Prince wrote himself.

Why thank you. Even though I doubt you meant it as a compliment

NuPwrSoul said:

vainandy said:

Oh really? Do you have any idea of how many teenagers were pissed when he changed his style beginning with "Around The World In A Day"? And no, I'm not talking about new pop fans that jumped on the bandwagon beginning with "Little Red Corvette" or the "Purple Rain" album. I'm talking about Prince fans that had been there from the very beginning up through "Purple Rain" and they were still in their late teens and early 20s when he changed his style. They spoke their mind and gave their opinion of it. There was no internet or message boards back then but they did speak their mind to each other in person. And throughout the years since, with the exception of a few songs like "Kiss", "Adore", "Batdance", "Scandalous", or "Eye Hate U", they have no knowledge of Prince's work as a whole like they used to other than just a song or two here and there that may have gotten a little radio airplay. Most of them don't even know that Prince is still recording these days and if you mention Prince to them today, they consider him as "out there on a psychadelic trip" and "living in La La Land".

Then there are those of us that hung on and gave those late 1980s a chance to grow on us. Yes, we voiced our opinion of "what in the fuck is THIS shit" when we first heard them and then they grew on us but no, we didn't keep our mouth shut or lie and say it was wonderful when we didn't think it was. The fact that we stuck around and gave it a chance to grow on us, shows that we had a little "fam" in us also but there comes a time as more years pass that the stuff either doesn't grow on you as fast or doesn't grow on you at all and then you have to look at yourself and ask yourself "Why am I giving Prince a pass just because he's Prince?". Prince is an individual and so are many of us. A lot of us are individuals because of Prince's influence. And then you have to look at yourself and say "Is this my real opinion or is it Prince's?". "Do I really like this or am I just trying to like it because it's Prince?". Prince is diverse and so are other people and you can't expect everyone to like each and every thing he does and if you're on a message board dedicated to Prince and there is a thread on a particular song or album you don't like what are you supposed to do, lie and say you like it when you really don't? Or should you just not post anything at all and only post on threads about songs that you do like? Well, that's not the purpose of a discussion board because a discussion board is here to get various opinions. The purpose is not to be a shrine of worship to the artist.

Having your own opinion other than what Prince wants your opinion to be has nothing to do with being old. It has to do with being not only an adult, but a sane adult and not a crazy fam.

Fair enough, but in Tricky's defense, haven't you seen a lot of people express their displeaure with Prince's latest goings-on by saying "I'm too old for this," "I have responsibilities," etc. or some variant thereof?

Prince was never normal. So one of the questions I ask myself is, "If this shit is unacceptable now, then it should have been unacceptable before. What's changed?"

Is that what this is all about, the thread about "Why can't Prince be normal"? That was aimed at him still talking in all those old crazy riddles and trying to be so mysterious because Lord knows every aspect of his life has been discussed in detail for years on the internet so there's no mystery to him anymore. The mystery was gone with him years ago especially in the 1990s when he started doing all the talk shows but he's still trying to hang on to it like he's still mysterious.

The thread wasn't trying to get him to dress normal or act like a normal person. He would be boring as hell if he did that, plus he would no longer be an individual which is what attracted so many of us to him in the first place. It was just simply saying if he's going to release something, either shit or get off the pot. This ain't the 1980s anymore when he could do no wrong in his music, was ultra mysterious, and people were willing to hang on with these little riddles and games before releasing an album. He's fell off big time since then so folks aren't willing to hang around for the games anymore waiting for the album to drop.

NuPwrSoul said:

vainandy said:

I feel like I'm reading a post that Prince wrote himself.

Why thank you. Even though I doubt you meant it as a compliment

I couldn't resist when I read that. I was joking. I really didn't mean for it to come across as mean.

vainandy said:

NuPwrSoul said:

Why thank you. Even though I doubt you meant it as a compliment

I couldn't resist when I read that. I was joking. I really didn't mean for it to come across as mean.

That's okay. I'm not "too old" to have a sense of humor about this, and all things Prince.

I think one of the few (if only) times Prince pissed me off was when I felt I didn't get what I paid for (the Lotus flower debacle).

Everything else, I feel I've gotten a return on my investment and much more. So I take all this in stride. I suspect Prince is not all that hung up on himself either... He seems to have a healthy sense of humor about all this (from the looks of the last few videos released by 3rd Eye Girl), so I'm happy to find the joy until a more traditional album release/concert tour is announced.

EyeJester7 said:

vainandy said:

Oh really? Do you have any idea of how many teenagers were pissed when he changed his style beginning with "Around The World In A Day"? And no, I'm not talking about new pop fans that jumped on the bandwagon beginning with "Little Red Corvette" or the "Purple Rain" album. I'm talking about Prince fans that had been there from the very beginning up through "Purple Rain" and they were still in their late teens and early 20s when he changed his style. They spoke their mind and gave their opinion of it. There was no internet or message boards back then but they did speak their mind to each other in person. And throughout the years since, with the exception of a few songs like "Kiss", "Adore", "Batdance", "Scandalous", or "Eye Hate U", they have no knowledge of Prince's work as a whole like they used to other than just a song or two here and there that may have gotten a little radio airplay. Most of them don't even know that Prince is still recording these days and if you mention Prince to them today, they consider him as "out there on a psychadelic trip" and "living in La La Land".

Then there are those of us that hung on and gave those late 1980s a chance to grow on us. Yes, we voiced our opinion of "what in the fuck is THIS shit" when we first heard them and then they grew on us but no, we didn't keep our mouth shut or lie and say it was wonderful when we didn't think it was. The fact that we stuck around and gave it a chance to grow on us, shows that we had a little "fam" in us also but there comes a time as more years pass that the stuff either doesn't grow on you as fast or doesn't grow on you at all and then you have to look at yourself and ask yourself "Why am I giving Prince a pass just because he's Prince?". Prince is an individual and so are many of us. A lot of us are individuals because of Prince's influence. And then you have to look at yourself and say "Is this my real opinion or is it Prince's?". "Do I really like this or am I just trying to like it because it's Prince?". Prince is diverse and so are other people and you can't expect everyone to like each and every thing he does and if you're on a message board dedicated to Prince and there is a thread on a particular song or album you don't like what are you supposed to do, lie and say you like it when you really don't? Or should you just not post anything at all and only post on threads about songs that you do like? Well, that's not the purpose of a discussion board because a discussion board is here to get various opinions. The purpose is not to be a shrine of worship to the artist.

Having your own opinion other than what Prince wants your opinion to be has nothing to do with being old. It has to do with being not only an adult, but a sane adult and not a crazy fam.

Hahahahaha, NOT only was this post funny IT WAS DEAD ON IT! I totally agree with you, and you sharing this, allows me to understand how it was before the internet came to be. I am sure that many people disagreed when he changed his style! SO I see what you mean, you bring out another light that is still apart of the picture! Thanks for your response!

Thank you. It's been like this for years, it didn't just start recently. I can remember being in a club when the "Parade" album first came out. Everyone loved the lead single "Kiss" and felt like the "Old Prince" was coming back until the album came out and it was even more far out than "Around The World In A Day". The atmosphere in the club that night was not very lively and people weren't really on the dance floor much that night for some reason. The way the DJ livened the place up and got the place jumping was he played "Do U Lie". People were yelling "What in the FUCK is this shit". And then the DJ got on the microphone and said...."This is from the new Prince album. Y'all remember Prince don't you? The same man that gave you Let's Work and Lady Cab Driver. Ain't this funky y'all?".....And everybody fell out laughing. Then he put on "Venus De Milo" and said...."Here's some more from his new album"....and folks fell out laughing some more. Then he said..."Y'all either liven up in this motherfuckin' club or I'm going to play some more Prince"....Everybody fell out laughing and then he threw on a record, I can't remember exactly but I think it was "LA Dream Team Is In The House" and the dance floor got packed.