The funny thing about my posting "Prince absolutely hates his fans, and we love him for that" was that my very first posting of that message was in response to a period of time on the org where folks were pissed at Prince for some reason--I can't remember what, because Prince has a looooong history of pissing off his fans.

Anyways, there were all of these absurd discussions about why Prince was behaving the way he was, and folks were getting REALLY deep into conjecture trying to figure out his brain, etc.

I found it a bit rediculous that Prince fans really have any inkling what is going through his brain when he does the things he does. And once the apologists chimed into the discussion, I started cracking up so just starting posting that every time one of those "Why does Prince...." discussions.

Folks got really pissed at me mainly because they were....not so bright.

I'm smart.

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Sometimes it seems like he wants a different kind of fanbase to the one he cultivated. Ooops!

NouveauDance said:

Sometimes it seems like he wants a different kind of fanbase to the one he cultivated. Ooops!

i blame him for corrupting our young minds with his filthy perverted dirty sexual lyrics, and then doing a complete turnaround and stopping swearing and everything. could you imagine if iron maiden stopped making songs about the devil and started making nice quiet music about flowers and knitting?

i await the day he comes back and realises all the god bothering stuff is a load of shit and gets his freak on again. but then an old man on stage singing "let me lick your pussy" would probably look as bad as granny age madonna showing her saggy tits and arse on stage. could be worse, he could be roping up a load of 8 year old boys from local schools to bring onstage and then play with backstage after miming for an hour and a half in a drug fuelled zombie like state

NouveauDance said:

Sometimes it seems like he wants a different kind of fanbase to the one he cultivated. Ooops!

^^yep

I don't think he hates his "fans", I think he doesn't like us to like him as the "sexy man" moving, jerking his body on stage, screaming or kind of grinding on stage..

As he's someone who constantly needs to ressource and renew himself, maybe he'd like his fans to renew as well too...

He seems also to be willing to catch another kind of audience's attention..

New kind of music as screwdriver for a new kind of fan..

He wants to give some other sounds to the audience, some we don't quite understand or feel..

The change he wants to go through, he wants people as us to go through as well.maybe

For Prince it's all about wealth and $$$$$$$$$$$$, unfortunately...

threats and lawsuits.. I really miss the fansite housequake.com:

Prince killed it. Same with uptown.se afaik,

if he is not making any money from his fans, he will fight and won't support.

HQ was the best fansite one could possibly imagine.

In stead of being flattered, Prince chose to fight that site.

Also:

I don't know what is going through Prince's mind these years, why is he denying us re-mastered albums, dvd's etc, ect... all those brilliant b-sides and extended versions from back then when he was famous, still unreleased (on CD). Most of them.

Locked away.

it seems that money is the problem to most of the issues.

Prince is not getting enough $$$$$$$$$, that's why he is holding back "the products", right?

He must be greedy or crazy... putting money over making his fans happy.

"Hate" is maybe too strong a word, but he seems to be "un-satisfied" with his own fanbase. He seems to not care a lot what we need, and /or think.

Prince is doing everything for his own benefits, if he doesn't make any money he is just not interested.

What a pitty.... I need to have those classic Prince albums re-mastered before I die,

God damn it, I am 47 and have been waiting what seems to be forever/ verrry looong time...

(sorry for a very long post..).

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like hitler hate or i hate not understanding something and appreciate it after i do?

He probably does, but it is probably mental illness that causes him to act like he hates his fans. No sane person could release "Jughead" and leave the original "Old Friends 4 Sale" in the vault. Sadly, no sane person would probably come up with songs as wonderful as "If I Was Your Girlfriend," and "When Doves Cry." So you just take the good with the bad.

unfortunately Prince is ruled by money now a days. Im not sure he necesarrily "hates" his fans. I think he is just ruled by money and if he doesn't get a lucrative payday he won't do it. The days of the love of the art or music is over. I am thankful we got what we did though in the 80s and 90s but somewhere there in the 90s it all changed(coincidentially coincides with Jehova). Its his journey though. If he feels he needs 1 Million Dollars to release 12 songs thats up to him. We just have to decide if we are with him or not. Either way just do it. I am ride or die with P. I may not like everything he does but I will still get it. Some cds I only play a few times like 20ten and others I play almost weekly like Lotusflower. Prince is my favorite but there is SO MUCH other music out there to fill the void so when Prince is not doing anything I am cool with it because there is so much more out there. However I do want Prince to put out more though but its his journey. Good Luck P and I am glad to see your Website and look forward to updates!! BTW I just bought the new cd by Imagine Dragons today. So far very good album!! Check it out!!

I am surprised that people think here and there he's such a "material man"; according to what you've written above, Prince really seems to be money addicted..

What for? he's got more than enough..

To go where with this wealth? with whom? will he be much happier?( though money helps and contributes)

What hasn'the achieved already with money?

I can't see the point now, he's over 50, he's been through every and all kind of success, he's experienced everything I suppose in life, expect maybe to fly in the space, physically if not psychic

I can't understand!?

I can figure out sure, in many of his lyrics, he speaks about money, but I'd rather think he's much spiritual now..maybe I am a dreamer to think that spirituality should touch us all at a point of our maturity..

Where are we heading to otherwise by being only money minded????????????????????

And btw why "hate" what a terribly negative feeling? This is a despair state of mind "to hate", the odds of "Love", opposite, same intensity, why?

It's a personal matter to "hate", cause fans have contributed to his success, to his fame..

SpiritOtter said:

To the .Org, As Imago has often amusingly stated, and we have laughed, do you think that Prince really does HATE his fans? Do you have any compelling evidence to suggest such a claim? And does it matter? If so, why? love, Spirit

From some of the comments I've read on this site, I would believe the opposite is true- Prince's online fans (at least on this site) appear to hate Prince.

SpiritOtter said:

To the .Org, As Imago has often amusingly stated, and we have laughed, do you think that Prince really does HATE his fans? Do you have any compelling evidence to suggest such a claim? And does it matter? If so, why? love, Spirit

He doesn't come across as if he likes his fans. I don't know if he hates them, but he surely doesn't love them. At least, that's not he impression I got over the years.

i seriously doubt it. nobody hates EVERYBODY.

I really don`t think so.
I believe that it`s his defensive reaction, he clearly uncomfortable next to the fans.

although maybe it's just part of the image at all.
how can you hate the people who support you?
He probably doesn`t like, but not hate.

SpiritOtter said:

To the .Org, As Imago has often amusingly stated, and we have laughed, do you think that Prince really does HATE his fans? Do you have any compelling evidence to suggest such a claim? And does it matter? If so, why? love, Spirit

He hates us w/ a passion not known to mankind before. His emotions seethes w/ the anger that we can freely listen to his music w/out paying him premium prices. His fury is felt w/ every download click & stream youtube embedded somewhere on the web. We are addicted to his hatred for us & it compels us to make him more angry to see if he will ever have a meltdown on camera. Here's to 2013,

LiLi1992 said:

I really don`t think so.
I believe that it`s his defensive reaction, he clearly uncomfortable next to the fans.

although maybe it's just part of the image at all.
how can you hate the people who support you?
He probably doesn`t like, but not hate.

No, it burns w/ the intense fury of infinite supernovas. He hates the fact that we can talk so freely & he sees it & there isn't enough apologists to bury the comments of brutal honesty.

I guess as anyone he resents negative feedback and likes to challenge his fanbase, which he often did in a very bad way. Lotusflow3r.com really was a "fuck you" to us (willing or incidental, that was how it was perceived) now I don't think Prince hates anyone, but having been a star for all his adult life, he may just want to live in a world where everything bows to his will, which is of course impossible past his immediate entourage.

In the end I ain't got no problem with him, I just wish he would release all that music he's got and I'd be able to pay for it and everything would be fine as far as i'm concerned ^^

databank said:

I guess as anyone he resents negative feedback and likes to challenge his fanbase, which he often did in a very bad way. Lotusflow3r.com really was a "fuck you" to us (willing or incidental, that was how it was perceived) now I don't think Prince hates anyone, but having been a star for all his adult life, he may just want to live in a world where everything bows to his will, which is of course impossible past his immediate entourage.

In the end I ain't got no problem with him, I just wish he would release all that music he's got and I'd be able to pay for it and everything would be fine as far as i'm concerned ^^

That's me. I don't really think he hates his fans. I just think he's inconsiderate, and this

translates into being a terrible content provider.

In the end, we're not just fans--we're customers. And that's the part that chaps my

hide. If Apple advertised one thing, but sold me something else, I'd be pissed.

Likewise, with the blitz leading up to lotusflow3r about all the concert footage and

future jazz albums, etc. that would be there, his returns on my investment were

paltry.

People have a right to be upset with his offerings and with him as a busines.

But, with him disliking peole---meh. I'm sure Steve Jobs consider much of his

consumer base air headed materalists. But, he gave us products he promised

and was forthright about prices--people were happy with his products not

because they were a good bargain, but because we got what we where told

we would get.

imago said:

I've decided long time ago that it's better not to take Prince too seriously, especially for what's business/public image related. He seems to enjoy having a BAD public image and I often tought he does it on purpouse..

When he started, talking about sex and using cuss words was scandalous. Today, nobody would even turn at that. It's more scandalous to be a JW and talk about God and make non-politically correct statements about homosexuality and such. So he does.

The same with fans... Other stars chat with their fans on twitter. They make their part in this game of "pretended love" between fan and artist, which don't exist, since we don't really know each other and never will.

I agree that Prince does strange and sometimes stupid things (I escaped the Lotusflower site trap just in time, that's why I'm so easy on that I guess, otherwise I think I would hate HIM). Yet almost everyone that has met him live thru the years state he was kind and gentle to his fans. And I say, not every rich and famous is really kind with fans face-to-face.

So that's my opinion: he likes to look like a complete asshole. And he probably likes to make us believe he hates us, like other stars like to make fans believe they love them.

But at the end, I think he doesn't give a damn :lol:as long as we pay, of course

not me

he really likes me

MoBetterBliss said:

not me

he really likes me

so, either you are his agent or "andy allo"

I agree as someone said, I think Prince Fans Hate Prince. LOL

It's a oxymoron, but so true visibly on this site sometimes. Hahaha; I think Prince really appreciates his fans, However, he is going to continue to evolve.

He's not going to be the Prince of our 'Expectations' the problem is a lot of us get too comfortable with Prince, and when he does a change, we demand the old cause the new may not be something we favor.

If anything I think, Prince 'Hates' the expectation of being this and that...He is very unusual, but in terms of how his interacts with fans; he's consistent. It's not like he's changed that much, so for the life of me, I don't see why people are so shocked at some of his antics!?

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IMO: we can't ask true, deep Love from Prince; it's not a matter of "loving" or "hating" I guess, he'd like us to comprehend that he's mature and has changed, so as his music;

We want Prince to be as he was during his Peak times and glorious days; he's got another attitude.

His behaviour towards us shows certainly that he needs us to evolve the same way as he is..

For a looooooooooooooooooong time, I was naive and thought, dreamed and wanted him to be the Charming Prince, the confident, the True and best friend..due to loneliness, my "addiction" to his lyrics, music..

Now, definetely, I only want to hear good, creative, transporting music and I'd like the man to play at his utmost when he plays live, as he does actually

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EyeJester7 said:

I agree as someone said, I think Prince Fans Hate Prince. LOL

It's a oxymoron, but so true visibly on this site sometimes. Hahaha; I think Prince really appreciates his fans, However, he is going to continue to evolve.

He's not going to be the Prince of our 'Expectations' the problem is a lot of us get too comfortable with Prince, and when he does a change, we demand the old cause the new may not be something we favor.

If anything I think, Prince 'Hates' the expectation of being this and that...He is very unusual, but in ters of how his interacts with fans; he's consistent. It's not like he's changed that much, so for the life of me, I don't se why people are so shocked at some of his antics!?

Well said!

SuperSoulFighter said:

You're making a mistake here, guys. With Prince it isn't so much about money, it's about control. That's why he doesn't want his stuff on Youtube. That's why he didn't wat the O7 to use the name The Time. Because then a new Time album wouldn't be his album. He just doesn't like it when sombody does something with his music or image without him being able to look over their shoulder and tell them what to do.

Bingo.