vainandy said:

purplegemini said:

This has nothing to do with the Jehovah Witness faith, if you research the true history of "Christmas" you would know the birth of Christ has nothing to do with this pagan holiday. And everything he is saying is fact. Those who laugh and call Prince crazy, simply is afraid of acknowledging this truth. Many pagan festivals, including Christmas (Saturnalia), Easter (the festival of Ishtar), Halloween, New Year’s, Valentine’s Day and worship on the day of the Sun, were observed throughout the Roman Empire long before Christ’s First Coming. The apostate false church simply adopted them into practice, and enforced them on all citizens in the empire through the vehicle of the civil government....READ PEOPLE!! OPEN YOUR MIND!!

Regardless of where the holiday came from, no one that is putting up Christmas trees and giving gifts are bowing down and worshipping the tree as if it were some sort of God or something. And since nobody knows for sure the actual date of Jesus's birthday, I see no problem with choosing a date to celebrate. And there are even people that don't even believe in God or Jesus who celebrate Christmas because it's simply a fun time of year and what is so all fired evil about selecting a date to celebrate and have fun? Several religions have their own holidays around this time of year besides just Christmas and I see nothing wrong with folks celebrating whatever they want to celebrate and not knocking other folks for the particular holiday they celebrate.

Where the pain in the ass comes from is when someone wants to preach to folks and tell them they shouldn't celebrate it. If someone doesn't want to celebrate, that's fine but this preaching against it is a pain in the ass. My father isn't a Jehovah's Witness but whatever his little cult is, is very similar to it. My mother tried to put up a Christmas tree one year and that loony toon threw it out in the middle of the front yard fully decorated at the curb for the garbage truck to pick it up. Of course, she cussed him out and told him that her family wasn't a nitwit like he is and her kids were going to have a normal Christmas just like everyone else and if he wanted to sit alone at home on Christmas like a fool, that was his choice. And every year when we gathered at my grandmother's house on my mother's side of the family, if anyone offerred my mother fruitcake, she always replied, "No thanks, I left my husband at home".

There's nothing wrong with not celebrating Christmas but to try to tell other folks they shouldn't celebrate it and condemn them to hell for it, yes, that's a loony toon and when I hear rants like this coming from Prince of all people, I taste a little vomit in my throat because I used to hear the same rants from my own father who is the most miserable, racist, evil person I know disguised as a saint.

Well this has nothing to do with Prince stance on Christmas, this has to do with your own personal relationship with your father, I'm sorry to hear he ruined ur Christmas cheer, but knowing that you are celebrating a pagan God, and not the birth of Christ, is a bit disheartening won't you say?

purplegemini said:

vainandy said:

Regardless of where the holiday came from, no one that is putting up Christmas trees and giving gifts are bowing down and worshipping the tree as if it were some sort of God or something. And since nobody knows for sure the actual date of Jesus's birthday, I see no problem with choosing a date to celebrate. And there are even people that don't even believe in God or Jesus who celebrate Christmas because it's simply a fun time of year and what is so all fired evil about selecting a date to celebrate and have fun? Several religions have their own holidays around this time of year besides just Christmas and I see nothing wrong with folks celebrating whatever they want to celebrate and not knocking other folks for the particular holiday they celebrate.

Where the pain in the ass comes from is when someone wants to preach to folks and tell them they shouldn't celebrate it. If someone doesn't want to celebrate, that's fine but this preaching against it is a pain in the ass. My father isn't a Jehovah's Witness but whatever his little cult is, is very similar to it. My mother tried to put up a Christmas tree one year and that loony toon threw it out in the middle of the front yard fully decorated at the curb for the garbage truck to pick it up. Of course, she cussed him out and told him that her family wasn't a nitwit like he is and her kids were going to have a normal Christmas just like everyone else and if he wanted to sit alone at home on Christmas like a fool, that was his choice. And every year when we gathered at my grandmother's house on my mother's side of the family, if anyone offerred my mother fruitcake, she always replied, "No thanks, I left my husband at home".

There's nothing wrong with not celebrating Christmas but to try to tell other folks they shouldn't celebrate it and condemn them to hell for it, yes, that's a loony toon and when I hear rants like this coming from Prince of all people, I taste a little vomit in my throat because I used to hear the same rants from my own father who is the most miserable, racist, evil person I know disguised as a saint.

Well this has nothing to do with Prince stance on Christmas, this has to do with your own personal relationship with your father, I'm sorry to hear he ruined ur Christmas cheer, but knowing that you are celebrating a pagan God, and not the birth of Christ, is a bit disheartening won't you say?

I'm not celebrating a Pagan holiday, nor the birth of Christ. I'm celebrating the most fun time of the year with two days off work with pay. Whatever the origins of it may be, who the hell cares? It's simply a fun time of year, that's all. As for someone like Prince, or anyone else thinking they're hipping the world to it's origins, most people don't give a damn about it's origins. All they want to do is have fun and there is nothing wrong with having fun. I'm for celebrating every holiday there is and even creating new holidays to celebrate because there can never be too much fun and paid holidays off of work. Hell, there's some pretty green grass outside, let's create a grass holiday, get a paid holiday for it, and celebrate it.

vainandy said:

There's a website for this Satan Claws

http://www.satanclaws.com/

http://www.av1611.org/oth...santa.html

[Edited 12/21/12 13:31pm]

kenkamken said:

purplegemini said:

after watching this....

read the poem once again......

BigAudio said:

Jehova Witness propaganda. Where everything is evil.

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[Edited 12/21/12 15:42pm]

At the time I thought Prince was just being a total bummer on a fun season.

Now I think he was on point. And despite the Princebonics I think he wrote it well. Christmas has gotten very well in the way of Christ. Gross materialism harms our relationship with God, and sadly that's exactly what Christmas is really all about. I think it's gotten WAY worse in recent years - or maybe I've just opened my eyes to it.

KoolEaze said:

...This, the open letter to Madonna and the Moors of Spain caused quite a controversy back then.

Moors? Don't you mean Moops?

:

I found and posted a link to a blog that had great info and sounded

a whole lot like the poem..the blog was posted on November 11, 2011..

after posting to this thread, less than 3mins.. the message on blog reads....

Y o u - R- Busted!!!!

who is it?

[Edited 12/22/12 7:58am]

wickyb said:

KoolEaze said:

...This, the open letter to Madonna and the Moors of Spain caused quite a controversy back then.

Moors? Don't you mean Moops?

awesome

It grabs your attention immediately when you read the first few words and ill have to search the bible scriptures before making a judgement call.

It's spelled Satan Claws.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is this a Prince song?

Or just someone's issues with Christmas put into a song?

long time ago i hada poen called twas thenight beofe exmas prince style

and i lost it

vainandy said:

purplegemini said:

Well this has nothing to do with Prince stance on Christmas, this has to do with your own personal relationship with your father, I'm sorry to hear he ruined ur Christmas cheer, but knowing that you are celebrating a pagan God, and not the birth of Christ, is a bit disheartening won't you say?

I'm not celebrating a Pagan holiday, nor the birth of Christ. I'm celebrating the most fun time of the year with two days off work with pay. Whatever the origins of it may be, who the hell cares? It's simply a fun time of year, that's all. As for someone like Prince, or anyone else thinking they're hipping the world to it's origins, most people don't give a damn about it's origins. All they want to do is have fun and there is nothing wrong with having fun. I'm for celebrating every holiday there is and even creating new holidays to celebrate because there can never be too much fun and paid holidays off of work. Hell, there's some pretty green grass outside, let's create a grass holiday, get a paid holiday for it, and celebrate it.

iloveannie said:

That the church shoehorned Christ's birth into an existing festival is not something th & that bothers me.

It was stupid because the heathens shop and talk about Santa Claws instead of the real thing.

udo said:

iloveannie said:

That the church shoehorned Christ's birth into an existing festival is not something th & that bothers me.

It was stupid because the heathens shop and talk about Santa Claws instead of the real thing.

What do you mean the real thing? What on earth does Christ have to do with a heathen? And why should they talk about something that isn't part of their religion, simply because another religion came along and shoehorned another belief on top of theirs?

Why can't those that celebrate a pagan festival that predates Christianity do so without their beliefs being attacked?

erik319 said:

udo said:

It was stupid because the heathens shop and talk about Santa Claws instead of the real thing.

What do you mean the real thing? What on earth does Christ have to do with a heathen?

You need two to create a difference.

And why should they talk about something that isn't part of their religion, simply because another religion came along and shoehorned another belief on top of theirs?

That is the whole thing.

They could have eradictaed the pagan stuff 101% and given the new festivities new dates.

But they didn't.

Why can't those that celebrate a pagan festival that predates Christianity do so without their beliefs being attacked?

So shopping for Satan Claws is a pagan festival?

It has nothing to do with any of them and is a typical consumerism thing like the idiocy of 'black friday'.

vainandy said:

purplegemini said:

Well this has nothing to do with Prince stance on Christmas, this has to do with your own personal relationship with your father, I'm sorry to hear he ruined ur Christmas cheer, but knowing that you are celebrating a pagan God, and not the birth of Christ, is a bit disheartening won't you say?

I'm not celebrating a Pagan holiday, nor the birth of Christ. I'm celebrating the most fun time of the year with two days off work with pay. Whatever the origins of it may be, who the hell cares? It's simply a fun time of year, that's all. As for someone like Prince, or anyone else thinking they're hipping the world to it's origins, most people don't give a damn about it's origins. All they want to do is have fun and there is nothing wrong with having fun. I'm for celebrating every holiday there is and even creating new holidays to celebrate because there can never be too much fun and paid holidays off of work. Hell, there's some pretty green grass outside, let's create a grass holiday, get a paid holiday for it, and celebrate it.

Happy green grass day!

I tell ya, in these days I think most people realize that we don't know Jesus actual dob but somehow people like Prince think it's news.

I like celebrating the spirit of the season and I say let folks celebrate as they see fit, whether spiritual or secular and leave the finger wagging for another time.

udo said:

erik319 said:

That is the whole thing.

They could have eradictaed the pagan stuff 101% and given the new festivities new dates.

But they didn't.

Why can't those that celebrate a pagan festival that predates Christianity do so without their beliefs being attacked?

So shopping for Satan Claws is a pagan festival?

It has nothing to do with any of them and is a typical consumerism thing like the idiocy of 'black friday'.

So we've moved onto consumerism now instead of Pagans?

And are you saying that they should be thankful that Christianity 'merely' took over and attempted to destroy those festivals by stomping their religious beliefs on top, rather than come up with their own dates? How would you feel if another religion such as Islam or Hinduism did the same thing now to these once Pagan, now Christian festivals?

iloveannie said:

So. Fucking. Sad. It's so nice to be able to spend time with family, exchanging gifts, mucking in together in the kitchen and making each other laugh playing silly games. Some have a religious belief and others have a human belief, but getting along with love and friendship is really the only thing that matters. That the church shoehorned Christ's birth into an existing festival is not something th & that bothers me.

My thoughts exactly!

Spending time and getting along within love and friendship is all there is to!

erik319 said:

udo said:

So we've moved onto consumerism now instead of Pagans?

Both. For a few decades alread, at least.

And are you saying that they should be thankful that Christianity 'merely' took over and attempted to destroy those festivals by stomping their religious beliefs on top, rather than come up with their own dates?

Not really, but now that you write it, it sounds quite good and humanist etc to leave room for others to coexist.

That is not something you will notice in the news coming from America these days, though.

Udo, I'm guessing you live in a free society? You can choose to celebrate how suits you best.

iloveannie said:

Udo, I'm guessing you live in a free society? You can choose to celebrate how suits you best.

Free to a certain extent, yes.

Still a slave to the system. (the financial side)

Still data-mined by whoever for no good reason.

Life's too short to break really free, although there's still a small chance.

Or I might take the unexpected approach or consider a radical deed?

the commercialization of christmas is pretty gross though. and the fact that 'retailers' are trying to generate 30% of their annual revenue through sales during 'christmas' is gross too, imo.

so imo the satan claws poem is right on, insofar as it addresses commercial sales and greed as being the antithesis of the true christmas spirit.