rdhull said:

andykeen said:

I quite like the fact P is releasing singles when ever he wants. However, they would be better if

• The songs were good

The songs aren't good? Why not?

Well, it's a subjective point of view whether you like or don't like them. However, there is a general consensus that approaches objectivity I guess.

For me, it boils down to how dull or forgettable the tune is. Rich Friends, Hot Summer, RnR and a few others, I actually had to look up to remember. I certainly don't remember their tunes other than RnR. Even PFunk is hard to remember.

However, Doves Cry, Kiss, Little Red Corvette, Raspberry Berret, Mountains, SOTT, If I was Ur Girfriend......These are hard to forget.

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[Edited 11/25/12 17:00pm]

imago said:

rdhull said:

The songs aren't good? Why not?

Well, it's a subjective point of view whether you like or don't like them. However, there is a general consensus that approaches objectivity I guess.

For me, it boils down to how dull or forgettable the tune is. Rich Friends, Hot Summer, RnR and a few others, I actually had to look up to remember. I certainly don't remember their tunes other than RnR. Even PFunk is hard to remember.

However, Doves Cry, Kiss, Little Red Corvette, Raspberry Berret, Mountains, SOTT, If I was Ur Girfriend......These are hard to forget.

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[Edited 11/25/12 17:00pm]

But those were played consistently with a huge media conglomerate push. While our prefrontal cortex/cerebrum was stilll being formed until young adult age. They are part of an initial canon of an artist in thier prime.

The recent songs mentioned are from someone 30 years into their career twilight. They will never ever (eva eva? fo neva?) have the same impact no matter what twists or turns he pulls, or what lyrics, stuido twists, or limit pushing etc.

Now having said that, the recent songs especially RNRLA are not 'terrible' sounding to me. They may be forgetable because of the reasons I proposed but they arent 'terrible' imo.

rdhull said:

imago said:

Well, it's a subjective point of view whether you like or don't like them. However, there is a general consensus that approaches objectivity I guess.

For me, it boils down to how dull or forgettable the tune is. Rich Friends, Hot Summer, RnR and a few others, I actually had to look up to remember. I certainly don't remember their tunes other than RnR. Even PFunk is hard to remember.

However, Doves Cry, Kiss, Little Red Corvette, Raspberry Berret, Mountains, SOTT, If I was Ur Girfriend......These are hard to forget.

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[Edited 11/25/12 17:00pm]

But those were played consistently with a huge media conglomerate push. While our prefrontal cortex/cerebrum was stilll being formed until young adult age. They are part of an initial canon of an artist in thier prime.

The recent songs mentioned are from someone 30 years into their career twilight. They will never ever (eva eva? fo neva?) have the same impact no matter what twists or turns he pulls, or what lyrics, stuido twists, or limit pushing etc.

Now having said that, the recent songs especially RNRLA are not 'terrible' sounding to me. They may be forgetable because of the reasons I proposed but they arent 'terrible' imo.

But even the youth or folks who were not privy to the heavy rotation of the 80s notice these songs when they are played in clubs and bars.

Take "Kiss" for example. Everyone notices and likes it.

RnR could be played relentlessly, but would end up being like a Sheryl Crowe song---utterly forgotten in a decade's time.

imago said:

rdhull said:

But those were played consistently with a huge media conglomerate push. While our prefrontal cortex/cerebrum was stilll being formed until young adult age. They are part of an initial canon of an artist in thier prime.

The recent songs mentioned are from someone 30 years into their career twilight. They will never ever (eva eva? fo neva?) have the same impact no matter what twists or turns he pulls, or what lyrics, stuido twists, or limit pushing etc.

Now having said that, the recent songs especially RNRLA are not 'terrible' sounding to me. They may be forgetable because of the reasons I proposed but they arent 'terrible' imo.

But even the youth or folks who were not privy to the heavy rotation of the 80s notice these songs when they are played in clubs and bars.

Take "Kiss" for example. Everyone notices and likes it.

RnR could be played relentlessly, but would end up being like a Sheryl Crowe song---utterly forgotten in a decade's time.

Not proven.

If lets say..Black Swaet got the full media job od old..or even of today kind of (a DECENT RELEVANT record company etc) it could be a big hit.

The media can make anything a hit. But thats not really making a compliment or proing my point about quality per se..only stating that not everything pre 96 was worthy.

That symbol album..yawn

Interactive/Endorphin Machine...gawd

D&P album...can be erased

Batman..can be erased

Could never believe he toured over that lackluster Lovesexy release..it was not a strong album Im sorry

It..Slow Love..come on..if he made those today yall would rag on it as if it were on MPLS Sound

Ronnie, JUO,

When You Were Mine...Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret?...come on yall would laugh at that now..

and these are just off the dome.

Point is, the only reason they arent forgetable as u statte is because they are part of the history and thus we have an affinity for any of those songs

rdhull said:

imago said:

But even the youth or folks who were not privy to the heavy rotation of the 80s notice these songs when they are played in clubs and bars.

Take "Kiss" for example. Everyone notices and likes it.

RnR could be played relentlessly, but would end up being like a Sheryl Crowe song---utterly forgotten in a decade's time.

Not proven.

If lets say..Black Swaet got the full media job od old..or even of today kind of (a DECENT RELEVANT record company etc) it could be a big hit.

The media can make anything a hit. But thats not really making a compliment or proing my point about quality per se..only stating that not everything pre 96 was worthy.

That symbol album..yawn

Interactive/Endorphin Machine...gawd

D&P album...can be erased

Batman..can be erased

Could never believe he toured over that lackluster Lovesexy release..it was not a strong album Im sorry

It..Slow Love..come on..if he made those today yall would rag on it as if it were on MPLS Sound

Ronnie, JUO,

When You Were Mine...Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret?...come on yall would laugh at that now..

and these are just off the dome.

Point is, the only reason they arent forgetable as u statte is because they are part of the history and thus we have an affinity for any of those songs

That's a ridiculous statement and it's an awfully convenient way of obscuring Prince's legacy.

Raspberry Beret is no mere pop trinket... Nor are the other tracks you list. They are, quite frankly, better than Rich Friends, Hot Summer, etc. It's not even a question. You can like what you like and that's wonderful, but I don't have an affinity for terrible songs - period. You can have Wedding Feast, Jughead, etc.

rdhull said:

Not proven.

If lets say..Black Swaet got the full media job od old..or even of today kind of (a DECENT RELEVANT record company etc) it could be a big hit.

The media can make anything a hit. But thats not really making a compliment or proing my point about quality per se..only stating that not everything pre 96 was worthy.

That symbol album..yawn

Interactive/Endorphin Machine...gawd

D&P album...can be erased

Batman..can be erased

Could never believe he toured over that lackluster Lovesexy release..it was not a strong album Im sorry

It..Slow Love..come on..if he made those today yall would rag on it as if it were on MPLS Sound

Ronnie, JUO,

When You Were Mine...Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret?...come on yall would laugh at that now..

and these are just off the dome.

Point is, the only reason they arent forgetable as u statte is because they are part of the history and thus we have an affinity for any of those songs

I wouldn't. No chance. JUO & Ronnie are 'comics' to me, they are what they are. The rest of those tunes crap on anything on LF or the abysmal R&Rse and the like. Obviously, unless someone has a time machine handy neither argument can be tested.

I honestly think if I'd heard none of em before and you played me em all, I'd still tell ya R&Rse was shit. Same with LF, D&P, and Symbol.

Shit, When U Were Mine & Raspberry Beret, to laugh at? Go and sit in the corner for half hour. You should be ashamed of yersel.

Fonkyman said:

rdhull said:

Not proven.

If lets say..Black Swaet got the full media job od old..or even of today kind of (a DECENT RELEVANT record company etc) it could be a big hit.

The media can make anything a hit. But thats not really making a compliment or proing my point about quality per se..only stating that not everything pre 96 was worthy.

That symbol album..yawn

Interactive/Endorphin Machine...gawd

D&P album...can be erased

Batman..can be erased

Could never believe he toured over that lackluster Lovesexy release..it was not a strong album Im sorry

It..Slow Love..come on..if he made those today yall would rag on it as if it were on MPLS Sound

Ronnie, JUO,

When You Were Mine...Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret?...come on yall would laugh at that now..

and these are just off the dome.

Point is, the only reason they arent forgetable as u statte is because they are part of the history and thus we have an affinity for any of those songs

I wouldn't. No chance. JUO & Ronnie are 'comics' to me, they are what they are. The rest of those tunes crap on anything on LF or the abysmal R&Rse and the like. Obviously, unless someone has a time machine handy neither argument can be tested.

I honestly think if I'd heard none of em before and you played me em all, I'd still tell ya R&Rse was shit. Same with LF, D&P, and Symbol.

Shit, When U Were Mine & Raspberry Beret, to laugh at? Go and sit in the corner for half hour. You should be ashamed of yersel.

hé.... i was gonna say that '

Fonkyman said:

rdhull said:

Not proven.

If lets say..Black Swaet got the full media job od old..or even of today kind of (a DECENT RELEVANT record company etc) it could be a big hit.

The media can make anything a hit. But thats not really making a compliment or proing my point about quality per se..only stating that not everything pre 96 was worthy.

That symbol album..yawn

Interactive/Endorphin Machine...gawd

D&P album...can be erased

Batman..can be erased

Could never believe he toured over that lackluster Lovesexy release..it was not a strong album Im sorry

It..Slow Love..come on..if he made those today yall would rag on it as if it were on MPLS Sound

Ronnie, JUO,

When You Were Mine...Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret?...come on yall would laugh at that now..

and these are just off the dome.

Point is, the only reason they arent forgetable as u statte is because they are part of the history and thus we have an affinity for any of those songs

I wouldn't. No chance. JUO & Ronnie are 'comics' to me, they are what they are. The rest of those tunes crap on anything on LF or the abysmal R&Rse and the like. Obviously, unless someone has a time machine handy neither argument can be tested.

I honestly think if I'd heard none of em before and you played me em all, I'd still tell ya R&Rse was shit. Same with LF, D&P, and Symbol.

Shit, When U Were Mine & Raspberry Beret, to laugh at? Go and sit in the corner for half hour. You should be ashamed of yersel.

I'll go sit down in a minute because I know that you feel its blasphemy. But trust..some folks were not feeling no damn Raspberry Beret lol....or When You Were Mine..know what they were bumpin in 82? Lady Cab Driver over n over. Thats just an example that even back in the heyday, a lot of folks were not down with the pretty pop songs. Hell, yall cant even stand them now when he does the Raspberry Beret Take Me With U medley etc and no its not just because he does it all the time either..its because they are kind of RNRLA wackness when yall crave LCD etc..of course yall wont ever admit to that. And thats okay..thats OKAY (SHOE)...now veofre yall think Im going off the deep end they are decent 'pop' songs and some f the recent releases have just as good as pop songs as those...nobody will ever admit to that ..but until we do we will always be forever blinded, not by the light, but by the past/deeds blocking our view.

Nobody feels me though but Im okay with that.

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[Edited 11/25/12 19:03pm]

imago said:

rdhull said:

The songs aren't good? Why not?

Well, it's a subjective point of view whether you like or don't like them. However, there is a general consensus that approaches objectivity I guess.

For me, it boils down to how dull or forgettable the tune is. Rich Friends, Hot Summer, RnR and a few others, I actually had to look up to remember. I certainly don't remember their tunes other than RnR. Even PFunk is hard to remember.

However, Doves Cry, Kiss, Little Red Corvette, Raspberry Berret, Mountains, SOTT, If I was Ur Girfriend......These are hard to forget.

[Edited 11/25/12 17:00pm]

But were Rich Friends, Hot Summer, or the new song even made available to us? I never heard the first two, I don't think they were for sale.

It's hard to really like a song that you never hear

rdhull said:

I'll go sit down in a minute because I know that you feel its blasphemy. But trust..some folks were not feeling no damn Raspberry Beret lol....or When You Were Mine..know what they were bumpin in 82? Lady Cab Driver over n over. Thats just an example that even back in the heyday, a lot of folks were not down with the pretty pop songs. Hell, yall cant even stand them now when he does the Raspberry Beret Take Me With U medley etc and no its not just because he does it all the time either..its because they are kind of RNRLA wackness when yall crave LCD etc..of course yall wont ever admit to that. And thats okay..thats OKAY (SHOE)...now veofre yall think Im going off the deep end they are decent 'pop' songs and some f the recent releases have just as good as pop songs as those...nobody will ever admit to that ..but until we do we will always be forever blinded, not by the light, but by the past/deeds blocking our view.

Nobody feels me though but Im okay with that.

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[Edited 11/25/12 19:03pm]

I get what you're saying I just don't agree with it.

I wasn't bumpin LCD in '82, not in England we weren't anyway. Shit loads of 1999, LRC maybe. Raspberry beret was a hit over here too. Can't remember where it charted and all that shit but a lotta people loved it.

I don't mind him playing that shit today. A bit. Even though I've heard em a million times. Why? Cos they're decent songs. Do you think R&Rse etc. will have a similar lifespan? Course you don't. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as anything like RasB or It.

You can come out of the corner now but only to listen to the tunes you pulled up. Id say a few 'hail newkingintowns' too, just to be on the safe side.

Fonkyman said:

rdhull said:

I'll go sit down in a minute because I know that you feel its blasphemy. But trust..some folks were not feeling no damn Raspberry Beret lol....or When You Were Mine..know what they were bumpin in 82? Lady Cab Driver over n over. Thats just an example that even back in the heyday, a lot of folks were not down with the pretty pop songs. Hell, yall cant even stand them now when he does the Raspberry Beret Take Me With U medley etc and no its not just because he does it all the time either..its because they are kind of RNRLA wackness when yall crave LCD etc..of course yall wont ever admit to that. And thats okay..thats OKAY (SHOE)...now veofre yall think Im going off the deep end they are decent 'pop' songs and some f the recent releases have just as good as pop songs as those...nobody will ever admit to that ..but until we do we will always be forever blinded, not by the light, but by the past/deeds blocking our view.

Nobody feels me though but Im okay with that.

.

[Edited 11/25/12 19:03pm]

I get what you're saying I just don't agree with it.

I wasn't bumpin LCD in '82, not in England we weren't anyway. Shit loads of 1999, LRC maybe. Raspberry beret was a hit over here too. Can't remember where it charted and all that shit but a lotta people loved it.

I don't mind him playing that shit today. A bit. Even though I've heard em a million times. Why? Cos they're decent songs. Do you think R&Rse etc. will have a similar lifespan? Course you don't. Shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as anything like RasB or It.

You can come out of the corner now but only to listen to the tunes you pulled up. Id say a few 'hail newkingintowns' too, just to be on the safe side.

I don't know why they even call them singles anymore since I haven't seen any singles from any artist in stores since the early 2000s. If singles are strictly one song for download these days, then I'll never buy them because I'm not spending money on something that's simply a download and is not on a physical product. Hell, you can get downloads for free.

vainandy said:

I don't know why they even call them singles anymore since I haven't seen any singles from any artist in stores since the early 2000s. If singles are strictly one song for download these days, then I'll never buy them because I'm not spending money on something that's simply a download and is not on a physical product. Hell, you can get downloads for free.

rdhull said:

imago said:

But even the youth or folks who were not privy to the heavy rotation of the 80s notice these songs when they are played in clubs and bars.

Take "Kiss" for example. Everyone notices and likes it.

RnR could be played relentlessly, but would end up being like a Sheryl Crowe song---utterly forgotten in a decade's time.

Not proven.

If lets say..Black Swaet got the full media job od old..or even of today kind of (a DECENT RELEVANT record company etc) it could be a big hit.

The media can make anything a hit. But thats not really making a compliment or proing my point about quality per se..only stating that not everything pre 96 was worthy.

That symbol album..yawn

Interactive/Endorphin Machine...gawd

D&P album...can be erased

Batman..can be erased

Could never believe he toured over that lackluster Lovesexy release..it was not a strong album Im sorry

It..Slow Love..come on..if he made those today yall would rag on it as if it were on MPLS Sound

Ronnie, JUO,

When You Were Mine...Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret?...come on yall would laugh at that now..

and these are just off the dome.

Point is, the only reason they arent forgetable as u statte is because they are part of the history and thus we have an affinity for any of those songs

No, I hated Slow Love when it first came out.

His singles are not nearly as rememberable as the old stuff.

Black Sweat doesn't actually fit that though. It is rememberable. Not terribly great as a song, but not

bland like most of the other recent ones.

The boring ass video didn't do much for it though.

But it is absolutely impossible to for me to fathom how

Raspberry Berret, When Doves Cry, and Little Red Corvette

could ever be equalled by Hot Summer or Rich Friends.

Hell, the vast majority of young kids who never lived

through the 80s are doing covers of his 80s material

online--not his newer stuff. These are kids with

little historical perpsective or appreciation.

It just seems to me that if an artist wants to remind folks

out there that he still exists, that releasing something

rememberable might be in order.

I agree with vainandy - it's almost as if you're paying for thin air. I don't really trust paying for download anymore because I paid for the extralovable single through iTunes, then when i upgraded my iphone to the new 5 for some reason the song became uncompatible on it. Whether this is apple's marketing ploy to make you buy another copy of the song or something happened when I backed it up, either way I still don't trust paying for downloads.

Plus what happened to the day when we'd buy a cd then obsessively read every bit of writing on the cover or lift out & gazing at the pictures while it played in the background. Prince probably thinks that people don't use "cd players" any more but these days we have full media rooms.

vainandy said:

I don't know why they even call them singles anymore since I haven't seen any singles from any artist in stores since the early 2000s. If singles are strictly one song for download these days, then I'll never buy them because I'm not spending money on something that's simply a download and is not on a physical product. Hell, you can get downloads for free.

rdhull said:

BobGeorge909 said:

The last solid album he put together with a theme and all was TRC....that was 4ever ago. Lotus and MPLS were almost there....but no cigar....

wrong

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NDRU said:

The real question is, why is he releasing music that I can't even buy?

You can't?

Which ways did you try?

Spinlight said:

Prince is confused too.

Spinlight said:

rdhull said:

Could never believe he toured over that lackluster Lovesexy release..it was not a strong album Im sorry

Now that says it all.

Why can't we just accept Prince has been doing things on his own term since...like EVER

There is really no reason, he just does it.lol

udo said:

NDRU said:

The real question is, why is he releasing music that I can't even buy?

You can't?

Which ways did you try?

In the U.S., you can't buy the new single from Amazon, yet.... There's not even a release date yet. If Amazon doesn't have it yet, NO retailers in the U.S. have it.

Hell, we can't even buy Superconductor on CD yet. As someone else mentioned, I don't pay for downloads, only CDs or Records.

How fraked up is it that I'm willing to pay $16.49 for a single of a song I'm not really that into (just to keep the collection going), but, I can't because it's not in stores and not even on Amazon?!?

That's just stupid...

It just occured to me, what if all of these singles are meant to be compiled as an album or EP?

udo said:

djThunderfunk said:

udo said:

You can't?

Which ways did you try?

In the U.S., you can't buy the new single from Amazon, yet....

Well see this.

Amazon, just not in the USA.

Don't ask me why.

I am sure they will deliver to the USA.

rdhull said:

And only through time has Lovesexy been so revered as great.

Lovesexy is 'great', whether as an instant cult hit or only through time.

imago said:

rdhull said:

udo said:

Now that says it all.

Come on now. I felt that Lovesexy was a weak follow up to the greatest SOTT... Its not as blasphemous as u may think. And only through time has Lovesexy been so revered as great.

I prefer Lovesexy to SOTT.

And I hate Slow Love, always have so screw you RD.

Stymie said: