"watching the wheels" slays any song on 3121 by 10,000 million miles. Wham! Bam!! 3 point half court shot blindfolded with my left hand for the win!!!
ps .. u thinking i look bad makes me look good (if ya wanna be all pissy about it)
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Well, that's your opinion of "Watching the Wheels;" however, in 1980 when the album on which it appears was released neither Lennon's fans nor the critics thought it was any good based on the sales of the first three weeks. On the other hand, 3121 debuted at number 1. Notice how now I'm using your own argument about sales against you to show you how wrong and foolish you look. Look, dude, the difference between me using sports analogies and you using sports analogies is that the actual research is proving my point. You can use the sports analogies, but only one of your shots (points) has actually hit the rim while all of my points have been nothing but net. And the proof of this is that after I made yo' ass look foolish regarding the sales of Double Fantasy the best retort you could muster is, "Well, I like one song from Double Fantasy a whole lot more than anything on 3121, so there!" Really? Did you fold your arms, stick out your tongue, and stomp outta the room after telling me how much you love "Watching the Wheels" because that is the equivalent of your retort. I'm going to say this one last time, dude. Decreasing sales over a thirty year career does not indicate that one's art is of poor quality. (That is the discussion that we are having, not how much you love a song that, at best, sounds like a more syncopated or faster knockoff of "Imagine.") Thus, your premise about sales and quality is just flawed, and the ultimate proof of this point is that you are unable to produce five artists whose sales of new music are the same or more thirty years after their first record. (And don't think that I haven't noticed that you haven’t touched my point regarding Dirty Mind's 1980 sales because it makes you look even more foolish.) So, say whatever it is that you have left to say. I’m done playa. I have pulled my starters from the game, and my benchwarmers are running a layup line while running up the score on you.
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I'm not sure how I feel about the song.
On the one hand, it's missing a chorus and/or hook. It doesn't particularly rock but it does roll, slightly. It feels fairly uninspired and bland.
On the other hand, it resembles songs like Relection, which simply tell a story in a nice relaxed fashion, using pleasant pop music without resorting to the most obvious pop formula. Surely Prince knows what a hook and chorus are and he could have added one if he felt it needed it. In some ways, not using a chorus is more creative than using one.
Still, I am not sure... My Legacy
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yeah but it was the 'outside' of the net .. can't u read .. this game was over a few posts ago .. cuz I won .. watching the wheels is in fact a far better song than anything on 3121 .. this is not opinion .. it is as easy as saying .. purple rain is better than anything on a debbie gibson album .. 3121 is annoying to listen to .. its not even mediocre .. watching the wheels is a classic that will be treasured forever by fans and non fans ..
david bowie lets dance tom petty free fallin grateful dead in the dark bob dylan time out of mind george harrison cloud nine
prince .. prince ..312020blotusicologymmmgpheyalaaaaaaaahhh .. u got to be kidding me man .. the crowd went home .. everybody on your team is in the locker room .. ur the only one left still trying to sink air balls .. the score board isn't even still turned on anymore man .. oh look here comes the janitor to mop the court .. he's gonna lock up soon .. | |
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Dude, none of these albums charted higher than 3121 in the US. So, based on your ongoing assertions, 3121 is a better album than those you have listed. That's based on your assertion, not mine, that if Prince produced good music it would sell. Well, Musicology, 3121, and Lotusflow3r/MPLS all sold platinum. Again, you look foolish. Two, from 2004 to 2009, Prince had three platinum albums. That's twenty-six to thirty-one years after his first record. Based on your original assertions, that proves his quality has not declined. Three, can you combine any of these albums with two other albums by that artist in a five year period that were also platinum? No, you can't, again proving that Prince hasn't lost his creativity, based on your original assertion, and that he is still, at this juncture of his career, more creative than most even though most of the people on this cite continue to bitch and moan about his output, as it is their right to do so, no matter how wrong they are. And four, the fact that, even with the people you listed, making the charts and having platinum sales thirty years after one's first record is such a rarity that to do it three times proves that Prince is still a superior talent, regardless of the bitching and moaning by folks like you. So, what have you proved? One, only a handful of people can do what Prince has done (proving that its natural for an artist's sales to decrease over time and that decrease has little to do with the quality of the work), and, two, Prince has done it better than those you have listed by doing it three times. * I'll give you this much credit. I didn't think that it were five people who had done it, six with Prince, and I'm sure, now, that there are a few more. But, you do realize that the names on that list prove that even thirty years after his first record Prince is still a masterful artist and not the has-been that you and others make him to be. Look at who you had to get, and all they have done is equaled Prince. In fact, with Prince having three platinum albums twenty-six to thirty one years after his first record, they actually haven't equaled him. He is still more creative and productive at this stage of his career than most people, based on your original assertion. * So, with my benchwarmers on the floor you managed to close the gap, but you never did address the issue of Dirty Mind not selling platinum until after Purple Rain's success because you would be forced to admit that your theory is flawed. Sales don’t’ indicate quality or greatness. Game, set, and match, checkmate, and any other exclamation you want to put on it.
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Oh, come on! Your argumentation is laughable. Platinum status isn't the same as it was "back in the day" when these mentioned albums came out. And you know it. You had to sell much more copies than nowadays to receive that status. When you really want to argue about the commercial success of records, you have to look at the actual sales numbers, and not at some trophies they received. | |
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It wasn't my argument that sales or trophies constitute great art; it was the argument of Bart and Trevor. I'm just showing them how foolish that argument is. If you don't like Prince's output over the past twelve to twenty years, that's fine, but sales is not a clear or definitive way to rate the quality of it. Thus, my Dirty Mind argument stands that just because a record doesn't sell well doesn't mean that it isn't well crafted. That's my point. However, you can't deny their chart positions because that means they outsold the competition, for lack of a better word, even for a week or month, which means that Prince has continued to make relevant music twenty-six to thirty-one years after his first record, regardless of what the majority of people on this cite assert. Thank you for reading closely.
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ok, sorry to interject yall's lovefest and what not, but WTF is watching the wheels?! | |
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Also Prince didn't have any top 10 pop hits from any of those albums & still sold well & charted high. Which is profound & he still is a independent artist. Which means he has pocketed the majority of profits...U wasting ur time arguing with these haters. will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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lmao..its a song (single) off of John Lennon's comeback album from 1980 "Climb in my fur." | |
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the five records i listed are still listenable and enjoyable .. prince record is not .. i bought 3121 just like everyone else, because the hype was that prince was far less embarassing than his npgmc years .. most use 3121 as a coaster now .. my arguement was never based on sales .. but based on ability to put out a decent record later in a career .. i really enjoy prince marketing strategies .. the internet .. pretending people bought musicology by including it in the ticket price .. that doesn't mean the record is good tho .. as a prince fan .. musicology sucks .. but at the time i was so freakin grateful that it wasn't as horrible as his previous decade .. he got press with musicology hitting the charts on a loophole .. this informed the general public that prince was back on his game (he wasn't) and all prince potential fans came out in droves for 3121 after years of "where the fuck is prince" .. they were all disappointed and prince quickly reverted to giving away planet earth now that the jig was up .. i don't and haven't judged any records by the sales .. it proves nothing .. u too will outgrow prince horrible lyrics and delivery once u get over the decent music that is presented underneath .. its like out growing ur favorite metal band that had a great guitarist but the singer sucked .. eventually u want a good song to go with those cool beats and guitar solos .. prince can sing .. altho the auto tune all over 3121 is beyond embarassing for a man of prince talent .. sting also returned to respectable with mercury falling .. neil young has had many rounds with greatness far beyond his formative years .. are we still pretending 3121 is a good record? of course dirty mind still sells .. it has a couple truly great songs on it .. 3121 does not | |
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While I respect those artists that you listed, most of that work on those albums mean absolutely nothing to me and most of the people I know so they are not enjoyable or listenable to most of the people I know. They are basic middle of the road (average) songs. In contrast to that I still like and listen to 3121. So, your statement proves nothing. And, yes, your argument was completely rooted in sells because you stated "once u reach super stardom ... if ur music doesn't sell its because your music sucks.” That is your statement in which you directly connected the sales of a record to its quality. And that is a foolish notion because many icons and legends have had records not sell well because of changing times, tastes, industry politics, and other factors. So, your statement is flawed. And while Dirty Mind sells now, it only came to the knowledge of other people because of Purple Rain’s success. It didn’t even have Gold status sales before Purple Rain so Dirty Mind benefited from the success of Purple Rain in the same manner that Lennon’s Double Fantasy benefited from Lennon’s death, but Dirty Mind is a much better record as Double Fantasy is another meaningless record to me. In fact of the records that you listed, only Bowie's Let’s Dance means anything to me, and I like all of what Prince has done after 1999 in comparison to those albums as I have always thought that the Grateful Dead is one of the most overrated bands ever and that marijuana is the only reason they are so popular. So, dude, you can’t convinced me that Prince’s talent is now subpar, and I can’t convince you that he is still masterful. Just admit that this discussion between us began because you connected sales to quality, which is laughable. [Edited 11/7/12 11:50am] | |
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I know; I was trying to have a rational conversation, but, when you have folks who are so rabid that they can't even admit to their own words once you have shown their argument to be flawed, it is a waste of time. | |
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They're unhappy people. Its just they are taking it out on Prince....Don't waste your time on them... will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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prince changes name back to pronounceable symbol + no low voice narrator = sales due to name recognition .. not because it is a good album ..
superstardom does not equal sales .. i don't think miley cyrus would sell anything if she wasn't a tv star .. but she can because she is a star .. prince is a star .. much like miley cyrus he needs his dads help to write a good song sometimes .. but a star none the less .. therefore .. if he ever releases a credible album again it will sell .. he may very well release rubbish again .. like 3121 .. and manage some stupid loophole to get it to sell or some publicity stunt .. great .. congradulations prince .. but fans wills till bitch about it if it sucks .. just like rnrla sucks and people bitch about it .. if it was good people would recognize it as good
there are many artists who can still write decent material after their prime .. and they please their fans and more ... i don't care for U2 or springsteen or dave mathews, but they all seem to be doing far better with their fan base than prince .. or even madonna .. prince can't get over anymore .. not even with his own fans ..
so yes .. once u reach a certain level of superstardom .. like say U2 .. as long as your music isn't horrible your fans will all buy it and then some .. prince can barely sell to his fans anymore .. people are giving up on the guy left and right ... nobody wants to but he just can't deliver .. if he did i would personally buy 10 copies just to give out to my friends for the holidays ... as would everyone else .. your arguement is flawed to the core simply because you have horrible taste in music .. which is fine .. if all i listened to was prince i would probably think everything he put out was great, but tom petty shit out 15 versions of rock n roll love affair long before prince did and tom pettys were a million times better as a song .. tom petty can't pull off an erotic city and prince can't pull off tom petty .. prince just please stick to what you are good at and stop thinking you can do it all when u cant .. you cant rap, you cant play jazz, you cant even write good easy listening, you can barely rock, but not really, your blues are corny and only good for a single listen, your piano album was a huge let down after gems like "how come u don't call me" .. just play that robot funk with a little psychadelic rnb and leave everything else out of it .. we don't need a new age record, we dont need a classical record .. not from prince .. he can't hang .. and if i want a tom petty song with a golden girls them lead line i will watch golden girls while "into the great wide open" plays in the background [Edited 11/7/12 12:48pm] | |
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will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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That bolded part above means that not only have I wasted my time conversing with you; I never have to waste my time responding to you again. Good Lawd… | |
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Ditto. | |
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he hasnt burned out cause he can just reach into the vault and revamp rework re-edit re-anything and he'll have something worthy of a listen | |
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I really love this track and the more I listen, the more it grows on me. It's very witty in its self-tributation and references to many of his previous works. It's a sweet love story too and gives real insight into where Prince is at in his life at the moment - given up women for the stripes of the road, not willing but still able and the tongue in cheek 'It's tight, but I think I can fit you in' line he gave Andy. It shows a nice evolution in the man and his music and is fitting to his 54 years. He has moved on from doing the splits and obsessing with sex and, while we may miss that side of him, it's only natural that he should. We'll always have the legacy of the funk and the raunch he gave us, thank Gawd, but I'm happy with what he's giving us now too. I just hope the next thing he gives us will be a new album | |
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I literally read eeach and every comment here! I LOVED IT!
1725topp much respect to you my friend, I totally agree with you! RNR is a song that reall showcases Prince has the capacity to do the unthinkable. It does not irk me, but it makes me feel appreciative of Prince. Here is a legend that can do....
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what drugs DOES a person use to compare Double Fantasy and 3121 ?? | |
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I can't wait to get my CD and Vinyl from Purple Music, it feels like it's taking forever!! But I do like the song and video. | |
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No drugs for me, thank you. But, Double Fantasy is a poorly done record that Lennon's fans didn't even like until he was shot. And that's not "fantasy;" that's fact. | |
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the same thing! | |
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all i meant was its apples and oranges.. | |
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