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PrintableWhen Oprah asked Prince what he wanted people to know about him, his answer was "the Music". Well, we're "knowing" it.
I don't believe buying boots actually constitutes stealing from him since he never officially released these recordings anyway. Even if the bootlegs didn't exist he still wouldn't be making money off of them because they'd be sitting in his vault collecting dust.   Proud member of Prince's cult for 20 years! | |
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onenitealone said: I'm not getting into the moral/ethical/legal arguments surrounding this - if you don't own any bootlegs, fine; nobody's forcing you to.
However, I'm willing to bet that MOST people who visit this site have something which is unofficial. That's not to say it's justifiable - we ALL want to see Prince get paid his dues. (How many of us would go into work and do a full day's shift without expecting to see some financial incentive? Certainly not me!). However, if the bootleggers are dangling the product in front of you on a stick, who can resist? It's like a Pandora's box - do you support the artist (and risk NEVER hearing the tracks) or do you purchase (and get a hitherto unseen glimpse into the world of the artist itself)? The fact is if Prince released all the bootlegged tracks that are in circulation, we WOULD all buy them. Even those that everybody owned already. Prince sometimes seems pre-occupied with being #1 at the bank; well, shucks, if THIS isn't a sure-fire way of keeping the fans happy AND bringing in the dollar, I don't know what is. There again, it's his legacy... All I know is that for many, many fans (not necessarily myself) it is these very tracks that have sustained their love of Prince through thick and thin. And wthout them, they would've lost the faith a LONG time ago. Amen!!!  | |
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MrBliss - good for you; no-one's attacking your stance. I just think you must have the strength of a bull or something.
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MrBliss said: the quality sucks...they're illegal... the fanfare about them sucks... they fucking suck
i'm talking mainly prince boots Every single ONAL bootleg is better than the official release. Socks still got butt like a leather seat... | |
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ChocolateInvasion said: MrBliss said: ChocolateInvasion said: MrBliss said: onenitealone said: However, if the bootleggers are dangling the product in front of you on a stick, who can resist? me The fact is if Prince released all the bootlegged tracks that are in circulation, we WOULD all buy them. the fact is...he chooses not to... which is his right All I know is that for many, many fans (not necessarily myself) it is these very tracks that have sustained their love of Prince through thick and thin. And wthout them, they would've lost the faith a LONG time ago. i disagree So all you play are the official albums, over and over and over and over and...? i play lots of other people's music too Seriously, you only play the official Prince albums? I hardly EVER play the released albums, I love Prince for being the live artist that he is, so studio albums don't do it for me. I also hardly play the demo's/outtakes CD's for that same reason. Are you an official-releases collector? i play his released music | |
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CynthiasSocks said: MrBliss said: the quality sucks...they're illegal... the fanfare about them sucks... they fucking suck
i'm talking mainly prince boots Every single ONAL bootleg is better than the official release. so that makes it ok does it? ..  | |
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No what sucks is Crystal ball. If Prince won't put out his best unreleased shit, someone has to. | |
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The fact is if Prince released all the bootlegged tracks that are in circulation, we WOULD all buy them. the fact is...he chooses not to... which is his right Well, as I already mentioned - it IS his legacy. | |
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MrBliss said: CynthiasSocks said: MrBliss said: the quality sucks...they're illegal... the fanfare about them sucks... they fucking suck
'm talking mainly prince boots Every single ONAL bootleg is better than the official release. so that makes it ok does it? .. Yes, if someone's job can be done better then he actually does, it's OK to correct him or do it better yourself. By buying/trading better ONA shows then ONAL, you improve his work. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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MrBliss said: they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights?
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MrBliss said: joecoco said: I agree as long as we are talking about unreleased tracks. Because I think that is a violation of copyright issues.
However when it comes to performances it must be seen a little different, because I think that he is not harmed in any way since he has no intention to release them officially and getting paid for them... I would be very easy for him to follow the example of many others (Pearl Jam, Phish, etc.) who sell the soundboard recordings of their concerts via the www. i wonder if you'd say this if you met him... me thinks not what a stupid comment that is...believe it or not, you can love his output without simply simpering over him should u ever get to meet and discuss this with him. i would hold my head up high knowing i have probably financed a paisley park studio over the years, but also hunt down boots... | |
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onenitealone said:[quote][quote] onenitealone said: The fact is if Prince released all the bootlegged tracks that are in circulation, we WOULD all buy them. the fact is...he chooses not to... which is his right Well, as I already mentioned - it IS his legacy. yes...it is HIS legacy | |
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thedog said: No what sucks is Crystal ball. If Prince won't put out his best unreleased shit, someone has to.
you're not a true fan . [This message was edited Wed Mar 5 6:41:46 PST 2003 by MrBliss] | |
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MiaBocca said: MrBliss said: they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights?
What a jerk-off you are. you're not a true fan | |
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MrBliss said: xtraloveable said: Not all of them...especially the live recordings.
Think of City Lights, Small Club, Wonderboy and some more! I often prefer them to convince someone listening to Prince instead of well-known regular CD's. AND IT GAVE US THE POSSIBILITY TO LISTEN TO THAT FANTASTIC BATACLAN AFTERSHOW AS WELL!! they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights? It's not the NPGMC here...i wonder whether all prince devotees in the club really dislike bootlegs, as they "officially" hold that opinion @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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MrBliss, do you have any idea, how many people have become interested in Prince music after having downloaded some live tracks or complete shows. I know at least 15 people, personally, who have bought TRC and other Prince CDs after having heard some of the most recent concerts he has done for ONA and Emancipation. They had downloaded them from the internet, becoming curious after the whole Nighttown buzz and really really liked it. Even though they've never been interested in Prince with only knowing the released songs that are played on the radio.
This way, the bootlegging is an advantage for Prince. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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ChocolateInvasion said: MrBliss, do you have any idea, how many people have become interested in Prince music after having downloaded some live tracks or complete shows. I know at least 15 people, personally, who have bought TRC and other Prince CDs after having heard some of the most recent concerts he has done for ONA and Emancipation. They had downloaded them from the internet, becoming curious after the whole Nighttown buzz and really really liked it. Even though they've never been interested in Prince with only knowing the released songs that are played on the radio.
This way, the bootlegging is an advantage for Prince. so what? | |
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xtraloveable said: MrBliss said: xtraloveable said: Not all of them...especially the live recordings.
Think of City Lights, Small Club, Wonderboy and some more! I often prefer them to convince someone listening to Prince instead of well-known regular CD's. AND IT GAVE US THE POSSIBILITY TO LISTEN TO THAT FANTASTIC BATACLAN AFTERSHOW AS WELL!! they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights? It's not the NPGMC here...i wonder whether all prince devotees in the club really dislike bootlegs, as they "officially" hold that opinion and your point is? | |
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MrBliss said: MiaBocca said: MrBliss said: they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights?
What a jerk-off you are. you're not a true fan Shut up you tit. If you can get your head out of Prince's hairy crack for two minutes you might be able to see the bigger picture. I have every official release, and if he released the stuff that is on bootleg, I would buy that too - but he hasn't, so it doesn't impact on any profit he makes from me. I'm a fan of the music, and have very little interest at all in Prince the person. Anyway, I'm off to listen to Moonbeam Levels, or All My Dreams - enjoy listening to Rave  --------------------
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xtraloveable said: MrBliss said: xtraloveable said: Not all of them...especially the live recordings.
Think of City Lights, Small Club, Wonderboy and some more! I often prefer them to convince someone listening to Prince instead of well-known regular CD's. AND IT GAVE US THE POSSIBILITY TO LISTEN TO THAT FANTASTIC BATACLAN AFTERSHOW AS WELL!! they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights? It's not the NPGMC here...i wonder whether all prince devotees in the club really dislike bootlegs, as they "officially" hold that opinion Do they hold that opinion? I was/am member of the club and don't hold that opionion, pretty obviously. Btw. There was this great action from the guys from paisleyparkvault(a bootleg site), they actually have been onstage at least twice, wearing a PaisleyParkVault Tshirt! Probably as a statement to Prince. PaisleyParkVault has been threatened to close down by Prince's lawyers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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MrBliss said: ChocolateInvasion said: MrBliss, do you have any idea, how many people have become interested in Prince music after having downloaded some live tracks or complete shows. I know at least 15 people, personally, who have bought TRC and other Prince CDs after having heard some of the most recent concerts he has done for ONA and Emancipation. They had downloaded them from the internet, becoming curious after the whole Nighttown buzz and really really liked it. Even though they've never been interested in Prince with only knowing the released songs that are played on the radio.
This way, the bootlegging is an advantage for Prince. so what? So bootlegging also has advantage for Prince. Not only by getting people interested, but also by letting people stay interested. I know for sure, that without the constant stream of new material floathing into my stereo, I would have lost interest in his music a long time ago. A few albums a year is much, but not enough for me. I guess I'm just quickly bored. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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MiaBocca said: MrBliss said: MiaBocca said: MrBliss said: they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights?
What a jerk-off you are. you're not a true fan I'm a fan of the music, and have very little interest at all in Prince the person. that's disgusting . [This message was edited Wed Mar 5 6:51:47 PST 2003 by MrBliss] | |
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ChocolateInvasion said: MrBliss said: ChocolateInvasion said: MrBliss, do you have any idea, how many people have become interested in Prince music after having downloaded some live tracks or complete shows. I know at least 15 people, personally, who have bought TRC and other Prince CDs after having heard some of the most recent concerts he has done for ONA and Emancipation. They had downloaded them from the internet, becoming curious after the whole Nighttown buzz and really really liked it. Even though they've never been interested in Prince with only knowing the released songs that are played on the radio.
This way, the bootlegging is an advantage for Prince. so what? So bootlegging also has advantage for Prince. Not only by getting people interested, but also by letting people stay interested. . that's for him to decide and what about the fact that it's illegal? | |
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Phew! I was beginning to wonder whether you might be Prince himself, MrBliss, but with all this 'fan' talk, you can't be (!).
No-one is attacking you; but you have to understand everyone's opinion. You cannot say you are more of a 'fan' than someone, simply based on this issue. That's purely subjective. We all like him in different ways. Do you also think that those who refused to call him 'The Artist' or during his dispute with Warner Bros. weren't fans either?? Cos I don't know ANYONE who did - he was still 'Prince' to most of us. Yet THAT wasn't his official stance.
Or do you agree with ALL his JW beliefs? Or do you never curse anymore? Or do you...?? I could go on & on... You cannot possibly say you are a greater fan than anyone based on one single issue. We ALL love Prince, in different ways - let's just be happy with that. By the way - are you telling us that if we came up to you with a BRAND NEW Prince track, never released, never been heard before, funky as HELL, you'd refuse to listen to it?? You'd send us packing, covering your ears until we were out of earshot?? | |
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MrBliss said: MiaBocca said: MrBliss said: MiaBocca said: MrBliss said: they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights?
What a jerk-off you are. you're not a true fan I'm a fan of the music, and have very little interest at all in Prince the person. that's disgusting . [This message was edited Wed Mar 5 6:51:47 PST 2003 by MrBliss] No, it's discusting to be a fan of the PERSON Prince and not just for the music. The PERSON Prince doesn't keep promisses made to fans and is far from loyal to his fanbase. The musician Prince just makes great music. The only way you should be involved with the person is true the pictures in the booklets. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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MrBliss said: ChocolateInvasion said: MrBliss said: ChocolateInvasion said: MrBliss, do you have any idea, how many people have become interested in Prince music after having downloaded some live tracks or complete shows. I know at least 15 people, personally, who have bought TRC and other Prince CDs after having heard some of the most recent concerts he has done for ONA and Emancipation. They had downloaded them from the internet, becoming curious after the whole Nighttown buzz and really really liked it. Even though they've never been interested in Prince with only knowing the released songs that are played on the radio.
This way, the bootlegging is an advantage for Prince. so what? So bootlegging also has advantage for Prince. Not only by getting people interested, but also by letting people stay interested. . that's for him to decide and what about the fact that it's illegal? Idirectly, he makes money because there are bootlegs. Making money is a good thing for him, that's an advantage. No doubt... As far as being illegal, it's illegal to SELL the recordings of concerts, NOT to record it for personal use or to trade. THERE IS NO LAW AGAINST! As far as the demo's/outtakes, that ís illegal and pure theft. I don't care... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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MrBliss said: MiaBocca said: MrBliss said: MiaBocca said: MrBliss said: they're illegal... how can you claim to be a prince fan...when you don't give a shit about his rights?
What a jerk-off you are. you're not a true fan I'm a fan of the music, and have very little interest at all in Prince the person. that's disgusting And you're a looney, it's fans (fams) like you that are just like the crazed MJ fans out there. I don't even know Prince, and whilst I wish him well in his life and career, I don't care more about him personally than any one else whom I don't know. --------------------
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just to let you know... i was playing... i really couldn't give a shit about bootlegging... but this thread kept me amused for a few minutes... for this i thankyou | |
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you're still a twat | |
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letsgocrazy said: you're still a twat
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