WetDream said:

Nice interview.

It's funny because just recently, I began seeing Andy as a kind of golden 70's star transported to modern day. My comparisons, mostly image wise were to Betty Davis....and this is a great thing. I always said we needed more artists like that and i'm greatful to Prince in getting a potential one out there.

Now this is not to say that Andy will be a new Betty because, let's face it, Betty was one of them "once in a lifetime" artists and Prince is certainly saying the same....but nonetheless, this is what he says they can attempt to aim for and rightfully so. That's a work ethic we need in today's industry.

I'm simply hoping that Andy brings some of that golden age back whilst maintaining originality and a modern edge. Very confident we're getting that.

I'm extremely chuffed that he's actually picked out Betty as a major influence on his next protege because Betty is one of my all time favourites and owner of the 4 funkiest albums in existence....Also, i always wondered what Prince thought of Betty. I'm thrilled with the mention and usage of Betty via Prince.

Learn from the greats, respect the greats. No one has said in this interview that they should outright copy them except the usual obsessives here.

That comment about people who make money who can't dance/sing is CLEARLY sarcasm towards today's industry. Hence the mention of laughter afterwards....obviously, those same obsessives choose to ignore such things....Or they simply don't have a good enough humour to register sarcasm.

We'll see what happens with Prince and his future albums, but i'm excited about him getting fresh talent out there too. Sure, i'd prefer more from him, but the man is the greatest to ever do it....he doesn't need to. There's no rush....that's what that freedom he's earned tastes like.

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[Edited 9/22/12 11:32am]

Let me applaud you for your comments, and the way in which you expressed how Prince came across in that interview. You hit it on the mark.

[Edited 9/22/12 13:22pm]

WaterInYourBath said:

2elijah said:

I feel sorry for you Bart. You always spew so much vile. I guess when misery can't find company, it becomes famously known as 'miserable.' I must say you do a good job of that, with very, little effort.

Let us know when the sun finally finds a crack, in that sad hole in your life, and lets a ray of sun shine in.

Your devotion to Prince and all his stupid absurdities is astounding. I really wish you could be personally recognized and directly thanked by him in some way.

My devotion? Well it looks like your delusions have finally overtaken your mind. Your comment is not really about you believing I'm a devoted fan, it's the fact that I ruffled your feathers by not agreeing or seeing things the same way as you, and that just pisses you off and raises your blood pressure. I'm so happy I made your day, and thanks for the blessings.

[Edited 9/22/12 14:28pm]

2elijah said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Your devotion to Prince and all his stupid absurdities is astounding. I really wish you could be personally recognized and directly thanked by him in some way.

My devotion? Well it looks like your delusions have finally overtaken your mind. It's not really about you believing I'm a devoted fan, it's the fact that I ruffled your feathers by not agreeing or seeing things the same way as you, and that just pisses you off and raises your blood pressure. I'm so happy I made your day, and thanks for the blessings.

There I was, genuinely trying to comment kindly towards you, and then you throw that same old, banally-overused-on-this-site, word back at me. And it's always the most daft people in these forums who always seem to include some variation of "delusion" in asinine attempts at retorts like this. Pot, your metal is so black, you look dark blue in sunlight.

And look at the rest of what you wrote. All of that disjointed jabber because I sincerely hoped you, one who exemplifies Prince support and fanaticism around here, can meet and receive a little gratitude from this man you somehow understand and incessantly defend. I mean, if other randoms in the world can get always his attention, why not you? But, forgive me for expressing that. 'Cause really, as everyone knows, since you're not a peculiar-looking man, or a bland female between the age of 18-30, that would never happen if your life depended on it anyway.

WaterInYourBath said:

2elijah said:

My devotion? Well it looks like your delusions have finally overtaken your mind. It's not really about you believing I'm a devoted fan, it's the fact that I ruffled your feathers by not agreeing or seeing things the same way as you, and that just pisses you off and raises your blood pressure. I'm so happy I made your day, and thanks for the blessings.

There I was, genuinely trying to comment kindly towards you, and then you throw that same old, banally-overused-on-this-site, word back at me. And it's always the most daft people in these forums who always seem to include some variation of "delusion" in asinine attempts at retorts like this. Pot, your metal is so black, you look dark blue in sunlight.

And look at the rest of what you wrote. All of that disjointed jabber because I sincerely hoped you, one who exemplifies Prince support and fanaticism around here, can meet and receive a little gratitude from this man you somehow understand and incessantly defend. I mean, if other randoms in the world can get always his attention, why not you? But, forgive me for expressing that. 'Cause really, as everyone knows, since you're not a peculiar-looking man, or a bland female between the age of 18-30, that would never happen if your life depended on it anyway.

All that jibber jabber you just wrote clearly defines you. If anything you come off like a fanatic attacking me for responding to an orger who has a reputation for coming off like an obsessed fanatic, spewing venom, 24.7 because a particular musician is not kissing his ass and giving him what he wants. Says a lot about you, doesn't it, coming after me for responding to his post. And please, cut the phony-ass bs 'bout you were throwing me a compliment, you're full of shite, and I'm not buying it. At least be honest about it. No one forces you to read my comments and shove it down your throat. You make that choice on your own. Now I've already wasted 2 minutes of my time giving you my attention, so with that being said, I will ignore your nonsense from here on in. Have great and wonderful evening. Smooches!

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Don't most artists emulate a little of other artists? The catch is to take what you borrow and turn it iinto your own style. Beyonce has borrowed from Tina Turner many times.

Prince has JB, Ike Turner, Chuck Berry, Santana and other music greats' influences and that's been incorporated in his music styles and stage performances, and he turned l that into his own style and owns the recipe to it. Nothing new and unusual about artists/muscians borrowing off of one another.

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Yes, thats what i said that most people emulate others

But my question is, is she a fan who naturally emulates her

Or as it may seem in that interview is Prince telling her to emulate this woman

Possibly, Prince means this in relationship to quality standard.

BartVanHemelen said:

2elijah said:

About the second part of that interview, it blew me away. I love that he mentioned Betty Davis, and if that's the plan he has for Andy to rock it like Betty, then that is so cool.

Oh for crying out loud, dude was claiming Bria was gonna be the new Sade. Look at AA's ACTUAL contribution to his gigs before parrotting such ridiculous nonsense.

Prince also recanted that statement.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, thats what i said that most people emulate others

But my question is, is she a fan who naturally emulates her

Or as it may seem in that interview is Prince telling her to emulate this woman

Possibly, Prince means this in relationship to quality standard.

true... but thats going 2 be some pressure

if thats not Andys vibe might not work

i personally like her eve though she could barely play guitar on stage with him

I want some good stuff 2 come out of this 4 both their sakes

I assume hes asked her about her influences

petes2 said:

80spfantwp said:

I seem to reall Prince having an opposing view some time back - I mean, didn't he used to celebrate real music by real musicians; doesn't that include singers....

well, singers are musicians but they are very different. Usually the engine that drives them is a lot more narcissistic with them and that says something because musicians are prima donnas. Singers though tend not to give a shit about music, singing or anything other than being in the limelight, that's why some musicians like myself who also sing, don't really like them much. You can go to karaoke's and see some talented singers but there really is no substance there and no artistic meaning, without that, it's no better or different to me than a good american idol contestant, meaningless.

Wow that's a broad generalization. All the Great Singers usually were/are just as hands on with the band as would a regular musician. The singers who act like Divas more than anything else usually don't have much talent outside of their favorite belting note and don't last too long. The public just sees the glitzy side of singers, but a lot of the big time singers were accomplished pianists and arrangers in their own rights. So I think you should stop looking at these little wannabes and consider who REALLY makes it in the industry as a singer. Things like American Idol and X Factor don't count as really making it because it's so easy to be forgotten once off the show if you don't have talent and business-sense beyond karaoke singing.

Don't believe the hype.

2elijah said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Yeah, like that powerhouse of talent Andy Allo. Or Bria.

I feel sorry for you Bart. You always spew so much vile. I guess when misery can't find company, it becomes famously known as 'miserable.' I must say you do a good job of that, with very, little effort.

Let us know when the sun finally finds a crack, in that sad hole in your life, and lets a ray of sun shine in.

How funny: I counter your nonsense with facts, you launch a personal attack.

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.chicagotribune...ull.column

Gotta love his hipocrisy:

Paying for music through iTunes or the likes? That's "Betamax". So instead he fetches a most likely illegal upload from YouTube.

Because the artist do not make any real money off of I-Tunes. And he is listening to Betty Davis on YOUTUBE big difference between listing and downloading illegally or getting ripped off by YOUTUBE. In addtion, Mrs. Davis hooked up with the Light of the Attic people and may actually be getting some royalties for her work now. Do you think P is some bum who cannot go out and actually buy Mrs. Davis music? You need to wake up and smell the coffee music sales are down and are going to stay down because the public does not want to buy music. The public wants to listen or YOUTUBE or steal it.

In the long run it hurts the artist and is destroying the quality of music. P sounds happy and that is killing some of you.

Hilarious. She "might" be getting money from the illegal uploads on YouTube? That's the best excuse you can come up with?

Your entire post is one great collection of strawmen that have NOTHING to do with the hipocrisy I pointed out.

2elijah said:

All that jibber jabber you just wrote clearly defines you. If anything you come off like a fanatic attacking me for responding to an orger who has a reputation for coming off like an obsessed fanatic, spewing venom, 24.7 because a particular musician is not kissing his ass and giving him what he wants.

Nice strawman you got there.

Hey, let's see which of us has posted most on the Org in the past 24 hours. Or 7 days. Or past month. Or past year. Methinks that would be a good measure of determining who can be labeled an "obsessed fanatic".

Oh, and you are the one attacking people. You attacked me, whereas I simply pointed out holes in your nonsense.

With so many fams, it's always about projection.

BartVanHemelen said:

laurarichardson said:

Because the artist do not make any real money off of I-Tunes. And he is listening to Betty Davis on YOUTUBE big difference between listing and downloading illegally or getting ripped off by YOUTUBE. In addtion, Mrs. Davis hooked up with the Light of the Attic people and may actually be getting some royalties for her work now. Do you think P is some bum who cannot go out and actually buy Mrs. Davis music? You need to wake up and smell the coffee music sales are down and are going to stay down because the public does not want to buy music. The public wants to listen or YOUTUBE or steal it.

In the long run it hurts the artist and is destroying the quality of music. P sounds happy and that is killing some of you.

Hilarious. She "might" be getting money from the illegal uploads on YouTube? That's the best excuse you can come up with?

Your entire post is one great collection of strawmen that have NOTHING to do with the hipocrisy I pointed out.

Yeah but you always stay quiet when it comes to you and yours hypocrisy so hush.

BartVanHemelen said:

http://www.chicagotribune...ull.column

Gotta love his hipocrisy:

The artist who pioneered using the Internet as a way to communicate with his fans and distribute music in the '90s, declared the Internet "over" in 2010. His experiences with selling music through his Web sites were poorly managed and alienated many fans, so now he has no website. He says digital services such as iTunes and Spotify don't impress him.

"Remember Betamax?" Prince says with a grin, referring to the outmoded video cassette format. "That's the system we've got now in the music business. We're in a singles market again. It's crazy for me to walk into that with a new album. Young people have decided they like to listen to music in a certain way, through ear buds, and that's fine with me as long as it doesn't bother them that they're not hearing 90 percent of the music that way. But I don't have to record to eat or to get out of debt or to pay my taxes. I looked forward to the day I could do this. Freedom is an interesting thing. You have to work really hard to get free."

[..]

He moves to another room upstairs where he has two large computer screens set up, and he toggles between a video-in-progress of Allo and a video of a recent "Welcome 2" tour date in Australia. Then he dials up a YouTube video of the '70s singer Betty Davis, a gritty track called "If I'm in Luck, I Might Get Picked Up."

Paying for music through iTunes or the likes? That's "Betamax". So instead he fetches a most likely illegal upload from YouTube.

yawn......

RoseDuchess12 said:

petes2 said:

well, singers are musicians but they are very different. Usually the engine that drives them is a lot more narcissistic with them and that says something because musicians are prima donnas. Singers though tend not to give a shit about music, singing or anything other than being in the limelight, that's why some musicians like myself who also sing, don't really like them much. You can go to karaoke's and see some talented singers but there really is no substance there and no artistic meaning, without that, it's no better or different to me than a good american idol contestant, meaningless.

Wow that's a broad generalization. All the Great Singers usually were/are just as hands on with the band as would a regular musician. The singers who act like Divas more than anything else usually don't have much talent outside of their favorite belting note and don't last too long. The public just sees the glitzy side of singers, but a lot of the big time singers were accomplished pianists and arrangers in their own rights. So I think you should stop looking at these little wannabes and consider who REALLY makes it in the industry as a singer. Things like American Idol and X Factor don't count as really making it because it's so easy to be forgotten once off the show if you don't have talent and business-sense beyond karaoke singing.

Don't believe the hype.

I know it is broad but I think it's true, singers do not have to study in quite the same way as other musicians. I know for me, singing has taken about a tenth of the work that playing piano does and I'm still a much better singer than piano player even though I've had to work much, much harder at piano playing. It does depend on the person though, Frank Sinatra was very deliberate with his singing and music while dean martin just showed up in the studio, sang and left. I stand by my statement, i've been watching singers for a long time, they are a different breed by and large and are much more interested in the glitz than the hard work. You wouldn't happen to be a singer would you?

Nice interview.

Prince - Prince's career freedom

24 September 2012

Prince's career freedom

Prince embraces the ''freedom'' he's enjoying late in his career, now he has full control of his live band and no record company pressure.

Prince embraces the ''freedom'' he's enjoying late in his career.

The 'Purple Rain' hitmaker has always looked forward to a time where he would have complete freedom over his career, and believes now he has complete control over his live band and no record company pressure he believes he has achieved it.

He told the Chicago Tribune newspaper: ''I don't have to record to eat or to get out of debt or to pay my taxes. I looked forward to the day I could do this.

''Freedom is an interesting thing. You have to work really hard to get free.''

There was a time when Prince was regular putting out records each year - releasing three new albums in both 2003 and 2004 - but he isn't planning a new record any time soon, as he believes it is not the preferred format anymore.

He added: ''We're in a singles market again. It's crazy for me to walk into that with a new album.''

Prince, 54, also remains unimpressed by the way technology has compressed music to small electronic files and onto small devices, which restrict sound quality.

He said: ''Young people have decided they like to listen to music in a certain way, through ear buds, and that's fine with me as long as it doesn't bother them that they're not hearing 90 percent of the music that way.''

Prince Changes Setlist To Avoid Nervous Breakdown

Pop superstar Prince changes his setlist at every gig because the monotony of playing the same songs night after night left him on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

The 1999 hitmaker has become well known for playing a wide variety of songs from his vast back catalogue during his stage shows, and he now admits he has to keep changing his act to stave off boredom which drove him to despair in the 1980s.

He tells the Chicago Tribune, "I nearly had a nervous breakdown on The Purple Rain tour (in 1984) because it was the same every night. It's work to play the same songs the same way for 70 shows. To me, it's not work to learn lots of different songs so that the experience is fresh to us each

The Things They Say: 3299015

"I don't have to record to eat or to get out of debt or to pay my taxes. I looked forward to the day I could do this. Freedom is an interesting thing. You have to work really hard to get freedom." Pop superstar Prince

[Edited 9/24/12 8:25am]

2elijah said:

WaterInYourBath said:

There I was, genuinely trying to comment kindly towards you, and then you throw that same old, banally-overused-on-this-site, word back at me. And it's always the most daft people in these forums who always seem to include some variation of "delusion" in asinine attempts at retorts like this. Pot, your metal is so black, you look dark blue in sunlight.

And look at the rest of what you wrote. All of that disjointed jabber because I sincerely hoped you, one who exemplifies Prince support and fanaticism around here, can meet and receive a little gratitude from this man you somehow understand and incessantly defend. I mean, if other randoms in the world can always get his attention, why not you? But, forgive me for expressing that. 'Cause really, as everyone knows, since you're not a peculiar-looking man, or a bland female between the age of 18-30, that would never happen if your life depended on it anyway.

All that jibber jabber you just wrote clearly defines you. If anything you come off like a fanatic attacking me for responding to an orger who has a reputation for coming off like an obsessed fanatic, spewing venom, 24.7 because a particular musician is not kissing his ass and giving him what he wants. Says a lot about you, doesn't it, coming after me for responding to his post. And please, cut the phony-ass bs 'bout you were throwing me a compliment, you're full of shite, and I'm not buying it. At least be honest about it. No one forces you to read my comments and shove it down your throat. You make that choice on your own. Now I've already wasted 2 minutes of my time giving you my attention, so with that being said, I will ignore your nonsense from here on in. Have great and wonderful evening. Smooches!

This is comical. Frustrated children just learning how to debate shout out sophomoric echos like that, lol. Alas, another example of that inane type of repetition I referred to previously.

And since you don't discern well, I'm not concerned with what you believe or not, but again, I meant what I said initially, wholeheartedly. There was no snideness intended, as I feel that way about all people like you who still conjure up protective reasoning for everything regarding what I call Prince Fantasy Land. The only underlying message I did not explicitly state however, though it was certainly implied when I responded to your ironic reply to that other poster, which I highlighted, is: I feel sorry for you.

[Well, the load-bearing walls of your misemployed condescension just spontaneously exploded. They can't be rebuilt either. Also, you're not Kim Fields. The term "smooches" was only cool when she said it.]

WaterInYourBath said:

2elijah said:

All that jibber jabber you just wrote clearly defines you. If anything you come off like a fanatic attacking me for responding to an orger who has a reputation for coming off like an obsessed fanatic, spewing venom, 24.7 because a particular musician is not kissing his ass and giving him what he wants. Says a lot about you, doesn't it, coming after me for responding to his post. And please, cut the phony-ass bs 'bout you were throwing me a compliment, you're full of shite, and I'm not buying it. At least be honest about it. No one forces you to read my comments and shove it down your throat. You make that choice on your own. Now I've already wasted 2 minutes of my time giving you my attention, so with that being said, I will ignore your nonsense from here on in. Have great and wonderful evening. Smooches!

This is comical. Frustrated children just learning how to debate shout out sophomoric echos like that, lol. Alas, another example of that inane type of repetition I referred to previously.

And since you don't discern well, I'm not concerned with what you believe or not, but again, I meant what I said initially, wholeheartedly. There was no snideness intended, as I feel that way about all people like you who still conjure up protective reasoning for everything regarding what I call Prince Fantasy Land. The only underlying message I did not explicitly state however, though it was certainly implied when I responded to your ironic reply to that other poster, which I highlighted, is: I feel sorry for you.

[Well, the load-bearing walls of your misemployed condescension just spontaneously exploded. They can't be rebuilt either. Also, you're not Kim Fields. The term "smooches" was only cool when she said it.]

For goodness sakes, grow up. You sound like you just left high school, and can't leave the bullying behind, with your silly, childish behavior. You're talking out two sides of your mouth, claiming you wasn't being snide, yet insulting and making accusations of me at the same time, in both your posts. Let it go and get over me. You don't like my opinions here, that's fine.. I'm not going to play into your baiting nonsense any further. This is my last response to you. Enjoy your day.

petes2 said:

RoseDuchess12 said:

Wow that's a broad generalization. All the Great Singers usually were/are just as hands on with the band as would a regular musician. The singers who act like Divas more than anything else usually don't have much talent outside of their favorite belting note and don't last too long. The public just sees the glitzy side of singers, but a lot of the big time singers were accomplished pianists and arrangers in their own rights. So I think you should stop looking at these little wannabes and consider who REALLY makes it in the industry as a singer. Things like American Idol and X Factor don't count as really making it because it's so easy to be forgotten once off the show if you don't have talent and business-sense beyond karaoke singing.

Don't believe the hype.

I know it is broad but I think it's true, singers do not have to study in quite the same way as other musicians. I know for me, singing has taken about a tenth of the work that playing piano does and I'm still a much better singer than piano player even though I've had to work much, much harder at piano playing. It does depend on the person though, Frank Sinatra was very deliberate with his singing and music while dean martin just showed up in the studio, sang and left. I stand by my statement, i've been watching singers for a long time, they are a different breed by and large and are much more interested in the glitz than the hard work. You wouldn't happen to be a singer would you?

Yep. And proud of it lol! To become a really good singer is a whole bunch of hard work, but most people don't really see that. Most of the work occurs at home by yourself just listening to yourself constantly getting it wrong until you finally get it right and then still practicing that thing until it's not just right but perfect...like any other instrument. And because you use your vocal cords to talk too, you have to be a good judge of not pushing yourself TOO hard or else you won't be able to talk or you'll get nodules (and sound like Mariah Carey does nowadays). On top of that, you have to deal with elitist musicians who think you don't know what you're talking about because you may not have the correct terminology. Personally, my voice is my main instrument, but I also play piano/keyboards/synth on top of writing, producing, and arranging all of my material. So I stand behind what I said that just because of the glamorous façade singers put up, doesn't mean that we don't work just as hard. If it was so easy, then everyone would be a great singer lol. And honestly, it's part of the job to make it seem like it is easy. That's the entire POINT. If you look like you're struggling and it's not natural, people don't want to pay their hard-earned money to see you. That's the absolute truth for a vocalist...and really any type of instrumentalist. The fantasy is more important than seeing the hard work behind the scenes (choirs, vocal coaches, self-study, etc).