berniejobs said:

My thought on this is this. Suppose a fan edits or remixes a Prince song (or song by ANY artist.) Say, for example, they take When Doves Cry and add their own creative bass line. And for added effect, say somehow during the fan's "remake" they somehow lose the stereo effect and the track becomes mono, which causes it to lose a few layers of background vocals.

Then this new version gets leaked out online. Some kid who has NEVER heard Prince downloads it just to try it out. The kid hears that bassline and is turned-off, thinking that is the real Prince bassline and because it's in mono he misses some crucial vocal parts. He then decides he's given Prince a chance and doesn't like his music, so he never listens to Prince again. Had he heard the REAL version he may have gone on to purchase Purple Rain, went to a live show, read a few books on Prince, heard 4 The Tears In Your Eyes, got into politics and become the future President of the United States and been the first President on Mars! Oh, and cured world hunger.

But instead, he heard the fan mix, thus creating an ALTERNATE reality on the timeline. One in which Biff becomes the mayor of Hill Valley and ZZ Top is played in the streets while the town burns.

These what if's and buts are ridiculous though. You could do this for just about anything. Don't ever drive a car because you could have an accident. Even if it wasn't your fault! And say because of that accident you didn't buy your little cousin a teddy bear for Christmas, she would never 'need' it to sleep every night :O

Again, no disrespect. It's just over the top.

berniejobs said:

My thought on this is this. Suppose a fan edits or remixes a Prince song (or song by ANY artist.) Say, for example, they take When Doves Cry and add their own creative bass line. And for added effect, say somehow during the fan's "remake" they somehow lose the stereo effect and the track becomes mono, which causes it to lose a few layers of background vocals.

Then this new version gets leaked out online. Some kid who has NEVER heard Prince downloads it just to try it out. The kid hears that bassline and is turned-off, thinking that is the real Prince bassline and because it's in mono he misses some crucial vocal parts. He then decides he's given Prince a chance and doesn't like his music, so he never listens to Prince again. Had he heard the REAL version he may have gone on to purchase Purple Rain, went to a live show, read a few books on Prince, heard 4 The Tears In Your Eyes, got into politics and become the future President of the United States and been the first President on Mars! Oh, and cured world hunger.

But instead, he heard the fan mix, thus creating an ALTERNATE reality on the timeline. One in which Biff becomes the mayor of Hill Valley and ZZ Top is played in the streets while the town burns.

Can I have a hit?

Do what my buddy Nigel Tufnel and I do - buy amps that go to 11.

They're one louder and that makes all the difference.

RodeoSchro said:

Do what my buddy Nigel Tufnel and I do - buy amps that go to 11.

They're one louder and that makes all the difference.

berniejobs said:

My thought on this is this. Suppose a fan edits or remixes a Prince song (or song by ANY artist.) Say, for example, they take When Doves Cry and add their own creative bass line. And for added effect, say somehow during the fan's "remake" they somehow lose the stereo effect and the track becomes mono, which causes it to lose a few layers of background vocals.

Then this new version gets leaked out online. Some kid who has NEVER heard Prince downloads it just to try it out. The kid hears that bassline and is turned-off, thinking that is the real Prince bassline and because it's in mono he misses some crucial vocal parts. He then decides he's given Prince a chance and doesn't like his music, so he never listens to Prince again. Had he heard the REAL version he may have gone on to purchase Purple Rain, went to a live show, read a few books on Prince, heard 4 The Tears In Your Eyes, got into politics and become the future President of the United States and been the first President on Mars! Oh, and cured world hunger.

But instead, he heard the fan mix, thus creating an ALTERNATE reality on the timeline. One in which Biff becomes the mayor of Hill Valley and ZZ Top is played in the streets while the town burns.

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when all is said and done..... wgas, wgaf

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Optimus2 said:

Just been using Audacity with Prince songs 2 make them louder (like Dity Mind etc)....suppose itll have 2 do till teh reamsters cum out......also on Shockedelica....Ive reapeated teh chorus twice yanno taht part that goes "Shockedelica doop ba doop ba doop bay"...it makes teh song better 2 my ears anyway....and ya wouldnt tell it was edited.......which is even cooler...also took teh shit rap out of Love Me 2 The 9's......any1 else use Audacity??? or edit Prince songs with it?

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You are being an abusive [Snip - luv4u] and you don't even understand the topic. Good luck with that...

djThunderfunk said:

Dave1992 said:

You're right, I was rather referring to the original topic of editing songs, whereas the playlist thing concerns the change of purpose chosen by the original artist, which in my book is cool, as long as you know what you're doing, as in taking your freedom as a consumer completely disregarding the artists original intentions.

The grey area is taking a finished album and changing one or two songs and saying "now it sounds better to me!". Yeah, if it sounds better to you, go for it, but it just hurts a fellow musician to know that someone would simply change your piece of work. It seems heartless to me.

It really depends on the purpose of and reason for any "tweak". If you know an artist wanted a song to be quiet, I do find it morally wrong to make it louder, because you simply disregard the maker's intention and make yourself have the last word, just because you can. If Prince says Lovesexy is meant to be listened to in one take, why wouldn't I do just that? If I don't, it changes the experience and the experience becomes sort of a lie, tweaking it to your own comfort, when art shouldn't always be "comfortable", in my opinion.

Your earlier posts sounded like you were saying that you changed the volume of songs just to make them louder, with little regard to the artistic power dynamics can have in music, just so that the dynamic difference in your playlists is not too vast. If you made Life Can Be So Nice quieter and Venus De Milo louder, so that they can fit into one playlist, I'd at least cringe, and I hope you understand why.

Now, you're making more sense to me.

I will, however debate your last paragraph:

A song might meant to be a quiet part of an album, purposely placed between 2 louder songs and meant to be a breather between them. That same song when played in a mix that takes it out of that original context and is not using it for that purpose would sound BETTER if adjusted to the level standards of that particular mix of songs. In other words, the song would only supposed to serve as the quiet part of the album it is on, once removed, that purpose and intent are no longer relevant.

I will agree, that, within the context of the original album, any differences between the levels of the individual songs should not be altered to experience the original presentation as intended.

I will argue that outside the context of the original album tweaking to achieve a preferable listening experience is the prerogative of the listener and nobody should have a problem with it.

Cool?

Cool.

dirtyman2005 said:

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In the USA-influenced world the music isn't from you, even though you paid for the CD.

So no, you cannot do that to music you merely licensed from the wrecka company.

udo said:

In the USA-influenced world the music isn't from you, even though you paid for the CD.

So no, you cannot do that to music you merely licensed from the wrecka company.

Yes you can. It's called 'Fair Use'. The record companies may try to say you can't, but, the law says you can.

djThunderfunk said:

udo said:

In the USA-influenced world the music isn't from you, even though you paid for the CD.

So no, you cannot do that to music you merely licensed from the wrecka company.

Yes you can. It's called 'Fair Use'. The record companies may try to say you can't, but, the law says you can.

Are you very sure that the scope for 'fairt use' is that wide in your jurisdiction?

It's not just quoting certain parts for research or commentary, mockery, satire or whatever.

I am not for this **AA stuff but you get the idea what I am worrying about.

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djThunderfunk said:

Yes you can. It's called 'Fair Use'. The record companies may try to say you can't, but, the law says you can.

Are you very sure that the scope for 'fairt use' is that wide in your jurisdiction?

It's not just quoting certain parts for research or commentary, mockery, satire or whatever.

I am not for this **AA stuff but you get the idea what I am worrying about.

For personal use? Yeah, I'm sure. They could still sue but it would probably be thrown out of court. Now, if you're sharing it, it might depend on how and with who. In other words, if I tweak a recording I buy for my personal use, and then make copies for a limited number of friends or family, no commerce involved, I'm safe. If I upload to a file sharing site making it available for an unlimited number of people, they might have a case. If I sell even one copy, they got me.

One thing to understand. Media companies like to claim that ANY and ALL such acts are illegal even when it is only their licensing agreement that is broken, not the law. If they had their way, it would be illegal to record a tv show and watch it later, skipping commercials. If they had their way, it would be illegal to rip our own CDs & LPs to our iPods. They would love us to be forced to buy a digital copy instead. Luckily, it hasn't gotten that bad yet.

So let me try to bring this thread back on track...

To answer the original post...

I have used audacity to do the following:

For shits and giggles, I lowered the pitch on the camille tracks to listen to Prince sing in his normal voice. (Some songs are cool, others work as camlle much better).

I took the telephone conversation part of Bob George and slowed it down to hear what it was saying

I edited both remixes of Pop Life, taking the "Friar John" part of Wendy and Lisa --- the "La la la" part -- and edited that into the slower tempo'd extended version. SOunds neat, actually. I still want to speed up the extended version to match the dance version...that would be excellent.

I've extended Baby I'm A Star to match up the way it did in PUrple Rain, again...just for shits and giggles.

Next I want to take the extended version of Paisly Park and incorporate it into the album version to make a hybrid/complete version with a proper ending like the album.

That's about it for now.

1nonly said:

For shits and giggles, I lowered the pitch on the camille tracks to listen to Prince sing in his normal voice. (Some songs are cool, others work as camlle much better).

Also, have fun with Or $ and All My Dreams...

djThunderfunk said:

1nonly said:

For shits and giggles, I lowered the pitch on the camille tracks to listen to Prince sing in his normal voice. (Some songs are cool, others work as camlle much better).

Also, have fun with Or $ and All My Dreams...

Oh yeah, forgot about that one.

I played that record, double-speed,...though in the end I didn't really feel much of a climax fit for a kiiiiiiing.

1nonly said:

djThunderfunk said:

Also, have fun with Or $ and All My Dreams...

Oh yeah, forgot about that one.

I played that record, double-speed,...though in the end I didn't really feel much of a climax fit for a kiiiiiiing.

Take it the other way too,

Bob George, the intro to 1999, God's part in Temptation...

Optimus2 said:

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Flame much? Dude what are you like 13?

that is weird.....not to skip songs u dont like...u can stand to listen to everyday is a winding road....jughead....incense and candles......?

HamsterHuey said:

Then there's the personal tweaks. I got the Parade vinyl and when I just wanted to play "New Position", my mind put the start at a different beat then the people who mastered/tracked it for CD release, which is the version I ripped to MP3.

I remember back in the day making cassette compilations, slowing down and stopping 'New Position' on vinyl right before 'I wonder u' kicked in. If i had a couple of minutes spare at the end of a cassette i'd stick that on or 'Venus De Milo' just so i used up ALL that 90minute cassette.

It was an intricate art, lots more fun than makiing a playlist on an Ipod.

Theres a lot of people of here clearly in need of a girlfriend

didnt someone slow down The RC voice to his regular voice?

luvsexy4all said:

didnt someone slow down The RC voice to his regular voice?

Prince is no bloody Isaac Hayes...