SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm so glad I divorced Prince. I won't lose any sleep over this

Glad you didn't divorce this site though, Richard

Harlepolis said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm so glad I divorced Prince. I won't lose any sleep over this

Glad you didn't divorce this site though, Richard

That makes one of you.

errant said:

Harlepolis said:

Glad you didn't divorce this site though, Richard

That makes one of you.

I could live with that.

djThunderfunk said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

It was on the front page so I didn't come to this forum to check it out

The thread title explains it's about Prince...

Actually it's about Questlove

Harlepolis said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm so glad I divorced Prince. I won't lose any sleep over this

Glad you didn't divorce this site though, Richard

Me too

Questlove is right.

THAT^ is my only comment.

If Prince doesn't care about his legacy neither do I. I do share his music with folks I know and drag them to concerts.

stillwaiting said:

BartVanHemelen said:

I don't know what's more stupid: that this ridiculous Doc guy posts A PHOTO OF HIS COMPUTER SCREEN or that ?uestlove complains about something that he could help fix by TALKING TO PRINCE.

FINALLY, I find a mistake in a Bart post: Actually thinking that "talking to Prince," could help. Unless Larry Graham, Andy Allo, and the ghost of James Brown talked to him for a week at gunpoint, and perhaps if Shelby threatened to not shout "Put Your Hands Up" 100 times or more a night at his concerts, would Prince even pretend to listen to ANYBODY.

There's that, but I bet ?uestlove was too busy sucking up to actually talk shop with P whenever they met.

errant said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

The wb was not going to give Prince his Masters back in his negotiations in letting him out that contract. True! that is the reason they let him out in the first place so they can keep them.But even if he stayed with them they still wouldn't have given them to him. He said they told him they wouldn't give them to him if he gave them a billion dollars..So why would he want to stay there?

Don't blame Prince on what those gready record companies do & rob artist of their rights....

I suppose they wouldn't have given to them at all by that point since he'd spent the last 2 years publicly talking shit about the company and calling himself their "slave."

But that's Prince. Worried about the money up front (that 1992 contract), instead of thinking long term (ownership of masters). Same situation with no remasters, no YouTube, no iTunes, etc.

He could have quietly gone in to renegotiate in early 1996 to extend the terms of his contract, for less money, but ownership of his back catalog. But he didn't. He spent the money, complained about it, went in to get out of it, and then complained after the fact that he didn't own the material that he'd been handsomely paid for.

R.E.M. and Metallica were able to gain ownership of their masters from the same parent company through standard negotiations around the time that Prince was publicly badmouthing them. Is it any wonder that they didn't just hand them over to him?

word!

Prince is of the understanding that unless he can monetized directly from his videos being

watched and available for viewing on Youtube, then he will not allow them to be. I under-

stand this stance (it's one from the old school music business model) but yeah, he ain't

going to win any new fans.

As for Prince re-mastering his old catalogue, are we sure that he alone is responsible for

this? Or, is he allowed to do this? I thought Warner Brothers owned the masters to his

older (and better) stuff?

Anyways, I downloaded every single music video he had on Youtube before he put the

kibosh on their existence and am happy I did so! I'd like to be able to show my future

kids who the 3rd baddest mutherfucker that ever stepped on stage was (James Brown #1

and Miles Davis #2).

maybe prince will stop dropping ?estlove name in his crappy lyrics and write some actual poetry

Originally, the sole purpose of music videos, was for promotion of the song and of the artist. The artist was not paid by TV stations (like MTV, when they were still about music) and they could play the video as much as they want. People would see the video, and if they liked it, buy the single or the album and maybe see the tour. It's how I was first exposed to Prince. It's why he crossed over with 1999, and if it hadn't been for that crossover, WB would probably not have backed the Purple Rain movie, and Prince would be just another 80's R&B act instead of the Icon & Music Legend he is today.

The question should be why he doesn't recognize this and realize that allowing his videos to be played on YouTube would serve the same purpose of promoting his music and lead to new fans buying music & tickets.

Sure YouTube would make money from advertising but so did MTV. It seems like a fair trade to me, but I'm not a musician. I'm just a fan who discovered him watching music videos on MTV and who knows that YouTube is essentially the 21st century version of what MTV was 30 years ago.

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djThunderfunk said:

Originally, the sole purpose of music videos, was for promotion of the song and of the artist. The artist was not paid by TV stations (like MTV, when they were still about music) and they could play the video as much as they want. People would see the video, and if they liked it, buy the single or the album and maybe see the tour. It's how I was first exposed to Prince. It's why he crossed over with 1999, and if it hadn't been for that crossover, WB would probably not have backed the Purple Rain movie, and Prince would be just another 80's R&B act instead of the Icon & Music Legend he is today.

The question should be why he doesn't recognize this and realize that allowing his videos to be played on YouTube would serve the same purpose of promoting his music and lead to new fans buying music & tickets.

Sure YouTube would make money from advertising but so did MTV. It seems like a fair trade to me, but I'm not a musician. I'm just a fan who discovered him watching music videos on MTV and who knows that YouTube is essentially the 21st century version of what MTV was 30 years ago.

[Edited 8/23/12 20:37pm]

Not at all. MTV had advertising and they promoted their favored artists with video blocks and specials dedicated solely to them. Youtube makes millions off advertising and doesn't advertise itself(I've never seen any tv ads for them or even internet ads). MTV served as a serious promotional tool in it's heyday for artists. If you typed Pussy Control into Youtube you might get a Prince clip from VH1 or a dozen cat videos. If Youtube was strictly for music I'd agree but it's become a perversion of what it may have been intended to be. It's actually more like MTV from 30 minutes ago replete with fame whores seeking their 15 minutes by posting dumb crap endlessly.

HonestMan13 said:

errant said:

And how is any of this relevant to the discussion at hand?

I was responding to this:

duccichucka said:

Prince is of the understanding that unless he can monetized directly from his videos being

watched and available for viewing on Youtube, then he will not allow them to be. I under-

stand this stance (it's one from the old school music business model) but yeah, he ain't

going to win any new fans.

[Edited 8/23/12 23:18pm]

HonestMan13 said:

djThunderfunk said:

Originally, the sole purpose of music videos, was for promotion of the song and of the artist. The artist was not paid by TV stations (like MTV, when they were still about music) and they could play the video as much as they want. People would see the video, and if they liked it, buy the single or the album and maybe see the tour. It's how I was first exposed to Prince. It's why he crossed over with 1999, and if it hadn't been for that crossover, WB would probably not have backed the Purple Rain movie, and Prince would be just another 80's R&B act instead of the Icon & Music Legend he is today.

The question should be why he doesn't recognize this and realize that allowing his videos to be played on YouTube would serve the same purpose of promoting his music and lead to new fans buying music & tickets.

Sure YouTube would make money from advertising but so did MTV. It seems like a fair trade to me, but I'm not a musician. I'm just a fan who discovered him watching music videos on MTV and who knows that YouTube is essentially the 21st century version of what MTV was 30 years ago.

[Edited 8/23/12 20:37pm]

Not at all. MTV had advertising and they promoted their favored artists with video blocks and specials dedicated solely to them. Youtube makes millions off advertising and doesn't advertise itself(I've never seen any tv ads for them or even internet ads). MTV served as a serious promotional tool in it's heyday for artists. If you typed Pussy Control into Youtube you might get a Prince clip from VH1 or a dozen cat videos. If Youtube was strictly for music I'd agree but it's become a perversion of what it may have been intended to be. It's actually more like MTV from 30 minutes ago replete with fame whores seeking their 15 minutes by posting dumb crap endlessly.

I can't argue with that, but, the point I was trying to make is that kids today go to YouTube to look up videos of artists they are interested in. If they hear about Prince, can go to YouTube and watch some videos, if they like what they see and hear they may be willing to spend money on Prince's music or concerts. The way YouTube works is that Prince could easily promote himself with video blocks and specials dedicated soley to himself, or Andy, or Larry or whatever whimsy he had that week. YouTube itself is a serious promotional tool now, to be utilized by anyone, including Prince. If he showed some of the creative marketing skills he's been known for in the past I'm sure he could come up with a way to use YouTube for his own purposes to promote whatever he's trying to sell, therefor generating revenue. It seems to be that paycheck-up-front mentally that he's had a while now that is preventing him from being the innovator he once was.

In my not-so-humble opinion...

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

djThunderfunk said:

The thread title explains it's about Prince...

Actually it's about Questlove

missed this earlier, but...

Actually it's about Questlove being frustrated about PRINCE.

sorry, couldn't help it...

djThunderfunk said:

Unfortunately the purple Yoda once said that the internet is dead. Really? Seriously? The internet makes the world a smaller place because of the ability to communicate with just about anybody, anywhere, anyplace, anytime. Here's my question: if this modern outlet is dead, just how does he plan on reaching his audience? I know he's not going to go to his database from his earlier websites and call everybody. As far as his re-masters, I never believed he re-master his catalog because he's constantly coming up with new music, and that's a lot of damn songs to re-master. Music will always be his bride, so he wants to keep her very close. You can't see her for free!

errant said:

djThunderfunk said:

[Edited 8/23/12 23:18pm]

Was talking to the other guy.

Cool. I wasn't sure since the quote was a mixture of both our posts.

I see it's fixed now...

[Edited 8/24/12 10:54am]

errant said:

djThunderfunk said:

[Edited 8/23/12 23:18pm]

Was talking to the other guy.

I was responding to his comparison of YouTube to MTV(30 years ago).

HonestMan13 said:

errant said:

djThunderfunk said: Was talking to the other guy.

I was responding to his comparison of YouTube to MTV(30 years ago).

I know. And despite whatever it was you said, it doesn't negate the fact that YouTube is today's equivalent for the music video that MTV was 30 years ago. There is almost no other venue for them.

errant said:

HonestMan13 said:

I was responding to his comparison of YouTube to MTV(30 years ago).

I know. And despite whatever it was you said, it doesn't negate the fact that YouTube is today's equivalent for the music video that MTV was 30 years ago. There is almost no other venue for them.

djThunderfunk said:

HonestMan13 said:

Not at all. MTV had advertising and they promoted their favored artists with video blocks and specials dedicated solely to them. Youtube makes millions off advertising and doesn't advertise itself(I've never seen any tv ads for them or even internet ads). MTV served as a serious promotional tool in it's heyday for artists. If you typed Pussy Control into Youtube you might get a Prince clip from VH1 or a dozen cat videos. If Youtube was strictly for music I'd agree but it's become a perversion of what it may have been intended to be. It's actually more like MTV from 30 minutes ago replete with fame whores seeking their 15 minutes by posting dumb crap endlessly.

I can't argue with that, but, the point I was trying to make is that kids today go to YouTube to look up videos of artists they are interested in. If they hear about Prince, can go to YouTube and watch some videos, if they like what they see and hear they may be willing to spend money on Prince's music or concerts. The way YouTube works is that Prince could easily promote himself with video blocks and specials dedicated soley to himself, or Andy, or Larry or whatever whimsy he had that week. YouTube itself is a serious promotional tool now, to be utilized by anyone, including Prince. If he showed some of the creative marketing skills he's been known for in the past I'm sure he could come up with a way to use YouTube for his own purposes to promote whatever he's trying to sell, therefor generating revenue. It seems to be that paycheck-up-front mentally that he's had a while now that is preventing him from being the innovator he once was.

In my not-so-humble opinion...

I think its a great marketing tool for live shows but I seriously doubt these kids today (ofcourse I can't speak for all of them) will actually buy an album. Like I said, you can so easily convert it to an mp3 and downloadit in seconds for free.

but i do wish Prince had an official website and youtube channel. so far judging from his concerts he ain't hurting but years from now we'll see.

wonder505 said:

djThunderfunk said:

I can't argue with that, but, the point I was trying to make is that kids today go to YouTube to look up videos of artists they are interested in. If they hear about Prince, can go to YouTube and watch some videos, if they like what they see and hear they may be willing to spend money on Prince's music or concerts. The way YouTube works is that Prince could easily promote himself with video blocks and specials dedicated soley to himself, or Andy, or Larry or whatever whimsy he had that week. YouTube itself is a serious promotional tool now, to be utilized by anyone, including Prince. If he showed some of the creative marketing skills he's been known for in the past I'm sure he could come up with a way to use YouTube for his own purposes to promote whatever he's trying to sell, therefor generating revenue. It seems to be that paycheck-up-front mentally that he's had a while now that is preventing him from being the innovator he once was.

In my not-so-humble opinion...

I think its a great marketing tool for live shows but I seriously doubt these kids today (ofcourse I can't speak for all of them) will actually buy an album. Like I said, you can so easily convert it to an mp3 and downloadit in seconds for free.

but i do wish Prince had an official website and youtube channel. so far judging from his concerts he ain't hurting but years from now we'll see.

People seem to forget that we could make "illegal" copies before the internet. My cousin had 1999 on cassette when I discovered it. I was going to make a copy, until I listened to it, and decided it was good enough to buy. Plenty of other albums by other artists, I liked, but only enough to pay for a blank cassette to make a copy, not enough to buy my own original. If it's good enough, there are people who will pay for it, then and now.

Converting a YouTube video to an MP3 usually sounds like shit. There are many better ways to make "illegal" copies.

Plenty of kids discover an artists they like and then buy the albums. Many of them that have discovered Prince and started buying his CDs are members of this site.

[Edited 8/24/12 21:30pm]

djThunderfunk said:

wonder505 said:

I think its a great marketing tool for live shows but I seriously doubt these kids today (ofcourse I can't speak for all of them) will actually buy an album. Like I said, you can so easily convert it to an mp3 and downloadit in seconds for free.

but i do wish Prince had an official website and youtube channel. so far judging from his concerts he ain't hurting but years from now we'll see.

People seem to forget that we could make "illegal" copies before the internet. My cousin had 1999 on cassette when I discovered it. I was going to make a copy, until I listened to it, and decided it was good enough to buy. Plenty of other albums by other artists, I liked, but only enough to pay for a blank cassette to make a copy, not enough to buy my own original. If it's good enough, there are people who will pay for it, then and now.

Converting a YouTube video to an MP3 usually sounds like shit. There are many better ways to make "illegal" copies.

Plenty of kids discover an artists they like and then buy the albums. Many of them that have discovered Prince and started buying his CDs are members of this site.

[Edited 8/24/12 21:30pm]

Well i can only base my observations on the kids I know who have these external hard drives with thousands of songs they never paid for.

and converting a youtube vid to mp3 does not sound as shitty as you make it out be

i still wish for Prince to use youtube as a tool but we'll see what the future holds.

[Edited 8/25/12 11:38am]

djThunderfunk said:

wonder505 said:

I think its a great marketing tool for live shows but I seriously doubt these kids today (ofcourse I can't speak for all of them) will actually buy an album. Like I said, you can so easily convert it to an mp3 and downloadit in seconds for free.

but i do wish Prince had an official website and youtube channel. so far judging from his concerts he ain't hurting but years from now we'll see.

People seem to forget that we could make "illegal" copies before the internet. My cousin had 1999 on cassette when I discovered it. I was going to make a copy, until I listened to it, and decided it was good enough to buy. Plenty of other albums by other artists, I liked, but only enough to pay for a blank cassette to make a copy, not enough to buy my own original. If it's good enough, there are people who will pay for it, then and now.

Converting a YouTube video to an MP3 usually sounds like shit. There are many better ways to make "illegal" copies.

Plenty of kids discover an artists they like and then buy the albums. Many of them that have discovered Prince and started buying his CDs are members of this site.

[Edited 8/24/12 21:30pm]

Good point! It seems peeps never made a big deal out of blank cassettes that we're used to copy albums back then. It was still the same as burning copies today instead of going to the Wreka Stow....

wonder505 said:

djThunderfunk said:

People seem to forget that we could make "illegal" copies before the internet. My cousin had 1999 on cassette when I discovered it. I was going to make a copy, until I listened to it, and decided it was good enough to buy. Plenty of other albums by other artists, I liked, but only enough to pay for a blank cassette to make a copy, not enough to buy my own original. If it's good enough, there are people who will pay for it, then and now.

Converting a YouTube video to an MP3 usually sounds like shit. There are many better ways to make "illegal" copies.

Plenty of kids discover an artists they like and then buy the albums. Many of them that have discovered Prince and started buying his CDs are members of this site.

[Edited 8/24/12 21:30pm]

Well i can only base my observations on the kids I know who have these external hard drives with thousands of songs they never paid for.

and converting a youtube vid to mp3 does not sound as shitty as you make it out be

i still wish for Prince to use youtube as a tool but we'll see what the future holds.

[Edited 8/25/12 11:38am]

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