What Quest said is true..but isn't this something we've known for a while now? It's nothing new. Prince has always been selfish when it comes to "his" music. To quote Wendy (Purple Rain): "You always think that we're doing something behind your back. You're just being paranoid as usual". Why would he change now?

Maybe Quest is just venting. However, that's what writing in diaries are for.

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The JW thing has sucked sense out of Princes brain. He can indeed do whatever he wants, but as far as his legacy it's not just what you did it's how many people know abpout it. It will be a shame two or three decades fom now when people talk MJ, Madonna and Bruce as the defining stars of the 80s. Prince is already relegated to "lost hits" spot on the Sirius 80s station. It's a shame so few of you care if his legacy matters or not instead acting as if he will somehow pull it out in the end. In general terms he has not done so. He has had a handful of marketing wins, but a hell of a lot more failures. It's his legacy to tarnish or ignore. It's just sad to watch it happen.

OzlemUcucu said:

SoulAlive said:

Questlove is absolutely right,but I stopped caring.I'm not gonna wait around for remasters that will never be released.Life goes on,ya know?

Exactly. I've kinda moved on. If it ever happens, great. If not, i have my good vinyl of the 80s stuff to listen to.

NoVideo said:

SoulAlive said:

Questlove is absolutely right,but I stopped caring.I'm not gonna wait around for remasters that will never be released.Life goes on,ya know?

Exactly. I've kinda moved on. If it ever happens, great. If not, i have my good vinyl of the 80s stuff to listen to.

Agree with both. Plus they're probably compress the shit out of them anyway. And if Prince is involved, he'll probably find some way to rework or remix the albums. So life goes on until then, if that day ever happens.

For all those who think Prince's legacy doesn't matter, ask a teenager if they know or like Prince and his music.

You'll be surprised how many times you hear "I don't know who that is" or "That's old people's music".

But keep believing his anti-YouTube stance is fine. There is a whole generation coming up who either doesn't know who he is or doesn't care. His legacy deserves better than that.

Check out this piece, inspired by the Questlove post and, in my opinion, better written than Dr. Frankenberry's.

http://p1start.typepad.co...egacy.html

All he has to do is put the songs on youtube, with ads, take the songs down every month or so, replace them with other songs, with new ads, keep doing that. He will make more money and get more new fans. Duh.

Not that any of us will watch the ads..lol

MikeA said:

For all those who think Prince's legacy doesn't matter, ask a teenager if they know or like Prince and his music.

You'll be surprised how many times you hear "I don't know who that is" or "That's old people's music".

But keep believing his anti-YouTube stance is fine. There is a whole generation coming up who either doesn't know who he is or doesn't care. His legacy deserves better than that.

Check out this piece, inspired by the Questlove post and, in my opinion, better written than Dr. Frankenberry's.

http://p1start.typepad.co...egacy.html

There's always Spotify, iTunes, Amazon MP3, last.fm, and other formats. They can always sample his music. And besides, there are still some videos and music from P on YouTube. As much as he is on his anti-YouTube steelo, there are people putting stuff up.

Plus, many of young folks are investigating Prince's music in different ways. There are blogs and torrents with his music out there. I don't condone illegally downloading stuff, but that is what alot of them do for various reasons.

i have to wonder if prince concludes that he will sell more outtakes live shows etc .. if they are not available on youtube .. it could be a genius move if he drops teh remasters in acouple years .. the more he buckles down the harder it will be for the obsessives to get it before it drops .. altho the live revolution show was such crazy good quality that it seems a leak has already occurred .. that show would be perfect for a purple rain deluxe .. maybe the remasters are why he has taken so much time off .. if you look at the stones or the cure or pink floyd .. there are some HUGE remaster sets with like 5 extra disks .. prince could really be putting together something great .. or we might just end up with the cream remix ep .. that would be sad .. but not unexpected

From the Dr. FB link:

When WE had a chance to talk to Prince about Youtube and his masters, it was something that he has put thought into.

We are not going to share that just yet but will say we agree with Questlove on this. It is something that Prince is set on.

So Dr. FB just said that they talked to Prince about the situation and he, (Prince) has put thought into it AND YouTube and Remasters are something Prince is SET ON.

How is THIS not news. Unless FB is full o' poo, he just stated that Prince told him that he is set on getting his YouTube presence together and he is set on doing remasters.

I don't read Dr. FB. Unless he's known for claiming to talk to Prince without actually doing it, the part I just shared should be the headline.

Questlove Frustrated... ?

how about: ACCORDING TO A CONVERSATION BETWEEN PRINCE AND DR. FB, PRINCE SET ON ADDRESSING HIS LEGACY WITH VIDEOS AND REMASTERS.

Is there no reading comprehension left in the world?

FYI to Dr. FB and others - there is no fucking reason to type remaster's in any situation other than the remasters owning something. Since remasters are inanimate objects they cannot own anything, there should never be a time based in our current reality that you would add an apostrophe to the word remasters. Why is the hell can people, (ESPECIALLY folks who are known for keeping a blog and writing) not understand that you don't have to add a damned apostrophe to every word that ends with the letter S? And here I thought it was only poor, uneducated white hillbillies that did this.

www.apostropheabuse.com

p.s. This isn't about a keyboard fat-finger slip. People accidentally misspell stuff all the time. You have to go out of your way to ass-rape some apostrophes.

'It is something that Prince is set on' - can't you also read that as 'Prince is set on never putting out remasters, and putting music on YouTube'?

MikeA said:

For all those who think Prince's legacy doesn't matter, ask a teenager if they know or like Prince and his music.

You'll be surprised how many times you hear "I don't know who that is" or "That's old people's music".

But keep believing his anti-YouTube stance is fine. There is a whole generation coming up who either doesn't know who he is or doesn't care. His legacy deserves better than that.

Check out this piece, inspired by the Questlove post and, in my opinion, better written than Dr. Frankenberry's.

http://p1start.typepad.co...egacy.html

I really wish that some kid who doesn't know who Prince is mattered to me. Frankly I don't care if he gets one more fan or a million more. I hope people who want to find good music(from any artist) do but I'm not losing any sleep over it if they don't. It simply isn't an issue. People with kids who want them to know about Prince should play them his music instead of waiting for him to post a video on Youtube for them to see. Why anyone would want their kids to learn more information from the internet than from them is beyond me.

HonestMan13 said:

MikeA said:

For all those who think Prince's legacy doesn't matter, ask a teenager if they know or like Prince and his music.

You'll be surprised how many times you hear "I don't know who that is" or "That's old people's music".

But keep believing his anti-YouTube stance is fine. There is a whole generation coming up who either doesn't know who he is or doesn't care. His legacy deserves better than that.

Check out this piece, inspired by the Questlove post and, in my opinion, better written than Dr. Frankenberry's.

http://p1start.typepad.co...egacy.html

I really wish that some kid who doesn't know who Prince is mattered to me. Frankly I don't care if he gets one more fan or a million more. I hope people who want to find good music(from any artist) do but I'm not losing any sleep over it if they don't. It simply isn't an issue. People with kids who want them to know about Prince should play them his music instead of waiting for him to post a video on Youtube for them to see. Why anyone would want their kids to learn more information from the internet than from them is beyond me.

Best post of this thread. People want stuff dangled in their face or spoon fed nowadays. Folks are plain lazy. It's clear P doesn't want his stuff out there without his consent. From a law standpoint, it is wrong across the board and all of these excuses about preserving his legacy are foolish. Even though P shortchanges his faithful fanbase, it is more so our responsibility to uphold his musical legacy by immersing deeper into his output of music and drop our young some knowledge about his music our own way.

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Pentacle said:

'It is something that Prince is set on' - can't you also read that as 'Prince is set on never putting out remasters, and putting music on YouTube'?

Yes, pentacle - it can mean either things. But I kind of agree with steakfinger. Why would the writer leave it ambiguous - the ambiguity implies that the reality (according to the writer) is the opposite of what questlove is saying. Then the writer goes on to say questlove has blocked him and he cannot talk to questlove, which implies that the writer would clear things up with questlove if he had a chance.

While I agree with steakfinger's interpretation, there's still the possibility that Dr. Funk is simply a bad writer, and not a clever writer, and he believes questlove is right about Prince's stand on YT and is right to be frustrated. If he's a bad writer, then steakfinger's and my interpretation goes out the window.

Off topic, but this "bad reading comprehension or is it bad writing?" issue reminds me of that incendiary tweet by Manuela several years ago - "I hope Ellen (de Generes) asks him about gay marriage. Something tells me he won't be as pointed as Ms. California." Everyone started interpreting this tweet as meaning, "Manuela thinks Prince is a homophobe and wants him to be publicly blasted by Ellen!" But Mani said he will NOT be pointed, and the Ms. California comment was fresh recent news, so it seems that Mani was critizing Ms. California for her stupid pointed comments (and perhaps implying that the NYT article/interview misrepresented him as a homophobe) by saying that Prince would not say such things.

But then again, maybe she's not really that clever and wrote the opposite of what she feels and she actually agrees with all his "fans" that he's a raging homophobe. I like to think she wrote it as she intended it, thus saying that Prince would not say that he's against gay marriage (like Ms. California did) and that he's not a homophobe.

point·ed/ˈpointid/

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This subject is senstive, and all we really need is a new album.

All those self PR machines that are banking on Prince's name are a nightmare (Scherzinger, Mayte, QL, FDeluxe, Andy and so on..exluding Sheila and O7..all my respect to both to keep it professional).

silverchild said:

HonestMan13 said:

I really wish that some kid who doesn't know who Prince is mattered to me. Frankly I don't care if he gets one more fan or a million more. I hope people who want to find good music(from any artist) do but I'm not losing any sleep over it if they don't. It simply isn't an issue. People with kids who want them to know about Prince should play them his music instead of waiting for him to post a video on Youtube for them to see. Why anyone would want their kids to learn more information from the internet than from them is beyond me.

Best post of this thread. People want stuff dangled in their face or spoon fed nowadays. Folks are plain lazy. It's clear P doesn't want his stuff out there without his consent. From a law standpoint, it is wrong across the board and all of these excuses about preserving his legacy are foolish. Even though P shortchanges his faithful fanbase, it is more so our responsibility to uphold his musical legacy by immersing deeper into his output of music and drop our young some knowledge about his music our own way.

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I agree with these two posts. I'm a new fan. Yes, had there been more of an internet presence, I could have been sipping the purple kool-aid sooner, but to rely on the internet to get you into something is just lazy. You can read a snippet of Moby-Dick on Wikipedia or watch a YouTube video of someone reading it out loud, but neither does more of a service to Melville's legacy as an author than you actually getting the book, reading it, and (hopefully!) recommending it to someone else.

As much as his greediness gets talked about here, when it comes down to it, Prince seems against viewing his music as a product that needs promotion. I do think it's odd that Dr. Funkenberry is used as an unofficial mouthpiece, especially considering his difficulties with the English language , and (perhaps naively) I have faith that Prince is taking steps to preserve the quality of his earlier music because really, the music is his best advertisement. As for the frustration, well... OK... When Prince decides how he wants to promote his music and be more visible to non-fans, I'll probably be just as happy as I am now, assuming I'm still kicking!

PS: A new album would help too... please...

Whoah. A lot of stuff on Youtube is gone by this point and it's been taken off fast.

Harlepolis said:

He's definitely preaching to the choir.

Indeed

Zannaloaf said:

The JW thing has sucked sense out of Princes brain. He can indeed do whatever he wants, but as far as his legacy it's not just what you did it's how many people know abpout it. It will be a shame two or three decades fom now when people talk MJ, Madonna and Bruce as the defining stars of the 80s. Prince is already relegated to "lost hits" spot on the Sirius 80s station. It's a shame so few of you care if his legacy matters or not instead acting as if he will somehow pull it out in the end. In general terms he has not done so. He has had a handful of marketing wins, but a hell of a lot more failures. It's his legacy to tarnish or ignore. It's just sad to watch it happen.

Agreed, and frankly, if he wants to shit his legacy away over some stupid shit, let him. IF he doesn't care, why the hell should I? More jobs for bootleggers. He's so stupid.

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HonestMan13 said:

I really wish that some kid who doesn't know who Prince is mattered to me. Frankly I don't care if he gets one more fan or a million more.

You should.

silverchild said:

HonestMan13 said:

I really wish that some kid who doesn't know who Prince is mattered to me. Frankly I don't care if he gets one more fan or a million more. I hope people who want to find good music(from any artist) do but I'm not losing any sleep over it if they don't. It simply isn't an issue. People with kids who want them to know about Prince should play them his music instead of waiting for him to post a video on Youtube for them to see. Why anyone would want their kids to learn more information from the internet than from them is beyond me.

Best post of this thread. People want stuff dangled in their face or spoon fed nowadays. Folks are plain lazy. It's clear P doesn't want his stuff out there without his consent. From a law standpoint, it is wrong across the board and all of these excuses about preserving his legacy are foolish. Even though P shortchanges his faithful fanbase, it is more so our responsibility to uphold his musical legacy by immersing deeper into his output of music and drop our young some knowledge about his music our own way.

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Maybe if he's dead or retired, but if he's still active and still on demand, that responsibility is solely on him. Beside, I think his fans have already been proactive in promoting his stuff via internet, when his ungrateful ass sent this site a cease and desist letter, out of many other examples.

Look ya'll, I really understand where you guys are coming from. But as much as ?uest grates my nerves, he's right about this no matter how we cut it. I kinda relate to his sentiment in the sense that he wants the world to be as geeked out on Prince as him, as a big fan, I totally feel the same But one hand washes the other, Prince and ONLY Prince is the one who could make his music accessible. And I'll not fall for the "Prince is the underdog and WB is the villain" bullshit argument anymore, BOTH parties are moneymakers, he wants a recipe of the pie like the rest of the independent artists as he should, but his past actions are clear indications that he and business are in totally different planes, and HE is the only one burning bridges with the business mediums not to mention his own fans(Even though I didn't fall for the trap, many devout ones are still bummed out by the Lotus site, and understandably so, again among many other examples). I for one believe that WB would be ALL for these reissuing projects to take place.

And to be perfectly honest, I'm not that thrilled about him reissuing these albums personaly, because either A) He'll omit/re-record them based on his belief sensibility or B) They'll collect dust in his infamous vault. There's no lesser evil in this equation

I hate this subject, btw.

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Harlepolis said:

silverchild said:

Best post of this thread. People want stuff dangled in their face or spoon fed nowadays. Folks are plain lazy. It's clear P doesn't want his stuff out there without his consent. From a law standpoint, it is wrong across the board and all of these excuses about preserving his legacy are foolish. Even though P shortchanges his faithful fanbase, it is more so our responsibility to uphold his musical legacy by immersing deeper into his output of music and drop our young some knowledge about his music our own way.

[Edited 8/17/12 11:22am]

Maybe if he's dead or retired, but if he's still active and still on demand, that responsibility is solely on him. Beside, I think his fans have already been proactive in promoting his stuff via internet, when his ungrateful ass sent this site a cease and desist letter, out of many other examples.

Look ya'll, I really understand where you guys are coming from. But as much as ?uest grates my nerves, he's right about this no matter how we cut it. I kinda relate to his sentiment in the sense that he wants the world to be as geeked out on Prince as him, as a big fan, I totally feel the same But one hand washes the other, Prince and ONLY Prince is the one who could make his music accessible. And I'll not fall for the "Prince is the underdog and WB is the villain" bullshit argument anymore, BOTH parties are moneymakers, he wants a recipe of the pie like the rest of the independent artists as he should, but his past actions are clear indications that he and business are in totally different planes, and HE is the only one burning bridges with the business mediums not to mention his own fans(Even though I didn't fall for the trap, many devout ones are still bummed out by the Lotus site, and understandably so, again among many other examples). I for one believe that WB would be ALL for these reissuing projects to take place.

And to be perfectly honest, I'm not that thrilled about him reissuing these albums personaly, because either A) He'll omit/re-record them based on his belief sensibility or B) They'll collect dust in his infamous vault. There's no lesser evil in this equation

I hate this subject, btw.

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I hate this subject as well. I totally agree with the fact that Prince needs to find a more accessible way to distribute his content to the masses. He needs to find people to properly utilize the internet, when it comes to distributing content as well. Charging folks up to $77 or $100 for a membership to a measly site isn't going to cut it. He may very well need to go strictly towards the internet route, but then again, red flags are going to be raised because of DRM and file sharing. He just needs to live in reality. However, I don't blame him for feeling that way.

BTW, I'm not that thrilled about him reissuing these albums either. I can go into iTunes and sort stuff out myself, or possibly use my own mastering software to get the job done. You saw what he did when he reworked "1999" with 1999: The New Master and recently, "Extralovable." I think he would possibly omit and remix stuff on those golden-era releases alone. I don't think those albums post-1993 are going to be for sale anymore as well. So, oh well...

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PoorLonelyComputer said:

HonestMan13 said:

I really wish that some kid who doesn't know who Prince is mattered to me. Frankly I don't care if he gets one more fan or a million more.

You should.

Why? Am I going to get 10 cents for every fan he gets from this point on? Yeah the internet is the medium a lot of artist use to get out there. So what? How did we learn about music growing up? We went through our parents record collections. Kids today could still do that if they wanted to but they get pointed at the internet as the only way to get information nowadays. Artists from the 60's up to the 80's didn't have a Youtube account and we found out about them just fine.

OzlemUcucu said:

dJJ said:

Lately I'm a little bit in love with ?estlove.

So, I agree with him....

Even when I was not a tiny bit infectuated with him since recent Roots performance, I do think Prince cuts himself of a big and young audiance by boycotting the youknowtunnel.

On the other hand I respect Prince his fights with the big moneymakers, so unknown artists and musicians can profit due to Prince's figths.

What would be more effective would be a documentary about musicbussiness. Showing how it works in an simple, however convincing manner. Just like Food.inc, Supersize me, bowling for Columbine...

That could pass Prince his message better than isolating himself and his music from the world.

Yes, but I have the impression that lots of other stars of Prince's calibre have their videos taken down, so it is not only Prince doing this.

On the other hand if you look at how much sound material Prince has, those youwknowtunnel's would be exploding with the quantitiy of his music.

Record companies are taking music down, so why would not Prince be entitled to do this? Cause he is free and not with a conglomerate label? I respect his decisions.

And quite frankly, QL is talking a little nonsense, and I doubt this was entitled to be a story on Docberry site, probably the reason why he got blocked to begin with.

Anybody care to ask QL?

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thank you, people act like Prince is the only person that removes music, Damn there was a Tammy Torres video (video chick) and she made an appearance on a tv show, and it was removed because the song in the background was universal property, so enough of this Prince vs Youtube. And yes Record Companies take the stuff down not prince and not other artists, plenty of stuff is removed, depends on the artists deal and what they own and dont own. the band a-ha's last tour was issued on dvd, a fan uploaded each song to YouTube and 90% of it is removed citing copyrights to universal in most countries, so Prince did not invent this, i have found tons of prince stuff on youtube, rare stuff. If you are looking for popular videos, you pretty much arent gonna find them but most of that is because of his label.

As for Quest he's speaking as a fan so i can respect his talk, but its just nonsense at this point, in the beginning he is citing how Prince will be remembered to a clueless generation, then he is touting about re-masters like a fan. Maybe one day Prince will do this maybe not, but im sitting around thinking about it, it is what it is, i could care less if a kid today gets into Prince music.

The sad irony is, Prince was one of the first(if not the single first) artists who marveled at the idea of sharing music digitally. I also think he came up with the iTunes concept long before it materialized but maybe I'm mistaken.

Anyway, I think we have an advantage that the music generations of the 60s/70s don't have, I don't see whats wrong with using it to its full. I'm an avid music collector myself, but there's no shame in my game in admitting that I acquired even MORE knowledge due to the internet, and if my daughter for instance gain more musical knowledge via internet vs going to the nearest record store(which in my case, its literally 50 miles away from my house) I say, go for it babydoll. In this day and age where everything could be convenient, there's more good to it than harm.

We don't need to quibble about the process of gaining musical knowledge whether its lazy or more effort, as long as the result is GAINING musical knowledge.

Harlepolis said:

The sad irony is, Prince was one of the first(if not the single first) artists who marveled at the idea of sharing music digitally. I also think he came up with the iTunes concept long before it materialized but maybe I'm mistaken.

Anyway, I think we have an advantage that the music generations of the 60s/70s don't have, I don't see whats wrong with using it to its full. I'm an avid music collector myself, but there's no shame in my game in admitting that I acquired even MORE knowledge due to the internet, and if my daughter for instance gain more musical knowledge via internet vs going to the nearest record store(which in my case, its literally 50 miles away from my house) I say, go for it babydoll. In this day and age where everything could be convenient, there's more good to it than harm.

We don't need to quibble about the process of gaining musical knowledge whether its lazy or more effort, as long as the result is GAINING musical knowledge.

Perfectly said. I've said this so many times about Prince...he's a MINDFUCK!

Harlepolis said:

The sad irony is, Prince was one of the first(if not the single first) artists who marveled at the idea of sharing music digitally. I also think he came up with the iTunes concept long before it materialized but maybe I'm mistaken.

Anyway, I think we have an advantage that the music generations of the 60s/70s don't have, I don't see whats wrong with using it to its full. I'm an avid music collector myself, but there's no shame in my game in admitting that I acquired even MORE knowledge due to the internet, and if my daughter for instance gain more musical knowledge via internet vs going to the nearest record store(which in my case, its literally 50 miles away from my house) I say, go for it babydoll. In this day and age where everything could be convenient, there's more good to it than harm.

We don't need to quibble about the process of gaining musical knowledge whether its lazy or more effort, as long as the result is GAINING musical knowledge.

That's very true, however, I think he was all for it as long as he had 100% control over what songs of his was exposed to file sharing. As music file sharing became more and more popular and then Napster came out and everyone and their mama was swapping songs left and right without paying, I think P took a step back and was like "umm no".

HonestMan13 said:

PoorLonelyComputer said:

You should.

Why? Am I going to get 10 cents for every fan he gets from this point on? Yeah the internet is the medium a lot of artist use to get out there. So what? How did we learn about music growing up? We went through our parents record collections. Kids today could still do that if they wanted to but they get pointed at the internet as the only way to get information nowadays. Artists from the 60's up to the 80's didn't have a Youtube account and we found out about them just fine.

Well, not all people are only motivated by money. I really could not care about 10 cents or not.

My parents thought me a lot about music, however, during an alcoholic, chaotic, unsave upbringing between concerts, artists, moving around etcetera, the musical upbringing did not make an impression. I rebelled against my parents, among others, by not getting myself into music to much. The only standard I have about music is whether it feels good and can I dance to it.

So far your argument about relying on the musical education of parents to their children.

From the youngsters who's parents take them to North Sea Jazz Festival, Concertgebouw in Amsterdam etcetera, teach their children Prince is crap. These kind of parents are prejudiced and consider him the same as Madonna. I don't agree, however, in general these kids think they've received solid musical education, however, not including Prince music.

These examples are my argument to not anticipate on parents who will teach their children about music.

Nor rely on kids finding music by themselves. For me, there's to much music out there. I'm happy to be a Prince fan and listen to related Funky music. I get overwhelmed if I think about all the music there still is to explore. I freeze immediately and stop exploring. It's just to much.

I do think Prince has a special place in music history, and deserves attention from the general public. It's up to him if he wants to play the game that is necessary for that.

I do know he and Madonna are the stars of an era and still convey important messages on all levels. How they choose to do that, is their own game. However, the youknowtunnel is an important mode......

silverchild said:

Harlepolis said:

The sad irony is, Prince was one of the first(if not the single first) artists who marveled at the idea of sharing music digitally. I also think he came up with the iTunes concept long before it materialized but maybe I'm mistaken.

Anyway, I think we have an advantage that the music generations of the 60s/70s don't have, I don't see whats wrong with using it to its full. I'm an avid music collector myself, but there's no shame in my game in admitting that I acquired even MORE knowledge due to the internet, and if my daughter for instance gain more musical knowledge via internet vs going to the nearest record store(which in my case, its literally 50 miles away from my house) I say, go for it babydoll. In this day and age where everything could be convenient, there's more good to it than harm.

We don't need to quibble about the process of gaining musical knowledge whether its lazy or more effort, as long as the result is GAINING musical knowledge.

Perfectly said. I've said this so many times about Prince...he's a MINDFUCK!

Awesome words SilverChild! Which reminds me, When are we making another podcast to discuss this? lol